...so changing the damn LtComEng to a LtComUni would turn that ship into a DEATHMACHINE is that what you are trying to tell us?
Okay, stop for a second - sure, it sounds nice for getting tac and eng abilities for that extra flexibility, but it would also mean giving it the possibility of slotting a lt com sci boff, meaning a rather strong sci focus considering that com sci it already has. Jupiter does not strike me as a ship that should be capable of that level of science dedication.
Also consider the place of the Jupiter in the greater scheme of things - there is a chance that a t6 kitty carrier might follow. There will also most likely be a t6 Vo'quv and Kar'fi. And the Rommies will also get a carrier or two. And I'd say that for the sake of factional diversity, the plan is most likely to have all those up-to-six carriers have a different layout (because it would be boring to just give all sides the same ship, just with a different skin).
It is possible that the Jupiter is what it is simply because the stats for the other t6 carriers have been already somewhat determined by the logic behind t6 upgrades, and this particular layout is the only sensible-ish thing that fits somewhere in between those.
Mother of God, forgive those Dense Blind and Deaf people......
I really wanted to stay out, cause fighting against the Windmills is so tiresome, i was passivly watching the Conversation going on, but every self righteous, narrow minded, FAR from every logic and utterly stupid comment / post of you arrogant, sellfish and ignorant people was like a kick in the down section, maybe you dont noticed it but you guys are NOT the Center of the World! There are others around you too, believe it or not!
This damn Ship was Build together with the WHOLE Community (the "build your OWN ship" Contest) but when it was done, only a third (sci captains) of the community got what everyone worked on, while 2/3 or in other words everyone else got ignored got neglected got NOTHING
Yeah...and it's a battle carrier...weaker shields and hull...so why don't you go use that then instead of trying to turn yet another ship into a Tac machine? They turned the Dauntless to a Tac machine and look at it now...no ones flies the thing...I never see one...but you know what I do see? I see Scryers and LRSV's!
Reading the same TRIBBLE again and again hurts so badly....so changing the damn LtComEng to a LtComUni would turn that ship into a DEATHMACHINE is that what you are trying to tell us? So in your Questionable logic, EVERY ship that has a LtComTac or LtComUni is such a Deathmachine than? really? omg......and gues what...there are people who would like to fly something that has a STARFLEET Design on it, like this ship has, without having to sacrifice efficiency compared to other ships, so could you all stop that stupid argument?
Regarding the Dauntless....its a Tac Focused Science Ship and a Fine one, I DO fly it and i LIKE IT, and i have no idea what Game you Play, but in STO i see more than enough of those Flying around, at least the same amount IF not even more than Scryers!
But since the Scryer is also a heavy Science Ship that only aims for Pure Science Captains, iam not Surprised that you mentioned that thing.....
you people are pathetic, one could say whatever he wants, you would still throw every single possible counter argument known to mankind at us (valid or not) trying to justify your sellfish and self rightous arguments why ONLY YOU should be able to use that new ship that EVERYONE was involved in (building it) while EVERYONE else gets nothing but a Bitter Middlefinger.......
Finally...you admit you just want "moar tac" like everyone else! Good for you! "pats on the head"
It ever occur to you not every ship is meant for everyone? Oh no I guess you didn't because all you can say or think is "moar tac!"
*Pathetic Counter Argument Detected*......like i said thick headed, i was not expecting you or your fellow thick heads to read or god beware even to understand it......
So if some people want "MOAR TAC" and "MOAR PEW PEW" than WHO the ***are you to judge them? Who do you think that you are to say that having Maximum "Spacemagic" like this ship is is ok, but wanting just a smidgin more Flexibility is a SIN, should be Forbidden, is sooo bad? (YES Tac for some therefore LtComUni so everyone can CHOOSE)
People including me asked so often...WHAT is your Problem with that? WHAT will you Loose? UNIVERSAL means YOU can still chose to put an Engineer in that Slot and you will have EXACTLY the SAME ship that it is right now, while others could have the flexibility to choose either sci or TAC (YES YOU CAN REPEAT AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, call it MOAR TAC call it PEW PEW WHATEVER!)
and the "not every ship is meant for everyone" well:
1. Thx to 3 Packs ship can be made more appealing for EVERYONE and
in this case, this ship was built together WITH the Community, we ALL participated in its creation (how often do i have to repeat this before even the last of you get that???) so therefore yes EVERYONE should benefit from it, not just a third! Saying otherwise is nothing but SELLFISH.
Mother of God, forgive those Dense Blind and Deaf people......
I really wanted to stay out, cause fighting against the Windmills is so tiresome, i was passivly watching the Conversation going on, but every self righteous, narrow minded, FAR from every logic and utterly stupid comment / post of you arrogant, sellfish and ignorant people was like a kick in the down section, maybe you dont noticed it but you guys are NOT the Center of the World! There are others around you too, believe it or not!
This damn Ship was Build together with the WHOLE Community (the "build your OWN ship" Contest) but when it was done, only a third (sci captains) of the community got what everyone worked on, while 2/3 or in other words everyone else got ignored got neglected got NOTHING
Your account is not married to just one class.
Your class is not married to one ship.
If this ship had been a 3-pack with Engineering/Science/Tactical variants, it would still not have been for everyone. KDF characters, ROM users, Escort users, Cruiser users, Science Vessel users, Raider users, Cardassian fans and what not would also have gotten "NOTHING" as you put it.
And the community didn't work on the ship. They voted on the looks. That it would be a Carrier was announced early. And people that look back at what Carriers are usually like, have a pretty good idea what this one might look like, too.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Mother of God, forgive those Dense Blind and Deaf people......
I really wanted to stay out, cause fighting against the Windmills is so tiresome, i was passivly watching the Conversation going on, but every self righteous, narrow minded, FAR from every logic and utterly stupid comment / post of you arrogant, sellfish and ignorant people was like a kick in the down section, maybe you dont noticed it but you guys are NOT the Center of the World! There are others around you too, believe it or not!
This damn Ship was Build together with the WHOLE Community (the "build your OWN ship" Contest) but when it was done, only a third (sci captains) of the community got what everyone worked on, while 2/3 or in other words everyone else got ignored got neglected got NOTHING
Yeah...and it's a battle carrier...weaker shields and hull...so why don't you go use that then instead of trying to turn yet another ship into a Tac machine? They turned the Dauntless to a Tac machine and look at it now...no ones flies the thing...I never see one...but you know what I do see? I see Scryers and LRSV's!
Reading the same TRIBBLE again and again hurts so badly....so changing the damn LtComEng to a LtComUni would turn that ship into a DEATHMACHINE is that what you are trying to tell us? So in your Questionable logic, EVERY ship that has a LtComTac or LtComUni is such a Deathmachine than? really? omg......and gues what...there are people who would like to fly something that has a STARFLEET Design on it, like this ship has, without having to sacrifice efficiency compared to other ships, so could you all stop that stupid argument?
Regarding the Dauntless....its a Tac Focused Science Ship and a Fine one, I DO fly it and i LIKE IT, and i have no idea what Game you Play, but in STO i see more than enough of those Flying around, at least the same amount IF not even more than Scryers!
But since the Scryer is also a heavy Science Ship that only aims for Pure Science Captains, iam not Surprised that you mentioned that thing.....
you people are pathetic, one could say whatever he wants, you would still throw every single possible counter argument known to mankind at us (valid or not) trying to justify your sellfish and self rightous arguments why ONLY YOU should be able to use that new ship that EVERYONE was involved in (building it) while EVERYONE else gets nothing but a Bitter Middlefinger.......
Finally...you admit you just want "moar tac" like everyone else! Good for you! "pats on the head"
It ever occur to you not every ship is meant for everyone? Oh no I guess you didn't because all you can say or think is "moar tac!"
*Pathetic Counter Argument Detected*......like i said thick headed, i was not expecting you or your fellow thick heads to read or god beware even to understand it......
So if some people want "MOAR TAC" and "MOAR PEW PEW" than WHO the ***are you to judge them? Who do you think that you are to say that having Maximum "Spacemagic" like this ship is is ok, but wanting just a smidgin more Flexibility is a SIN, should be Forbidden, is sooo bad? (YES Tac for some therefore LtComUni so everyone can CHOOSE)
People including me asked so often...WHAT is your Problem with that? WHAT will you Loose? UNIVERSAL means YOU can still chose to put an Engineer in that Slot and you will have EXACTLY the SAME ship that it is right now, while others could have the flexibility to choose either sci or TAC (YES YOU CAN REPEAT AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, call it MOAR TAC call it PEW PEW WHATEVER!)
and the "not every ship is meant for everyone" well:
1. Thx to 3 Packs ship can be made more appealing for EVERYONE and
in this case, this ship was built together WITH the Community, we ALL participated in its creation (how often do i have to repeat this before even the last of you get that???) so therefore yes EVERYONE should benefit from it, not just a third! Saying otherwise is nothing but SELLFISH.
You want MOAR TAC...then go play one of the dozen upon dozens of Tac ships...you're the selfish one trying to turn one of the few Science and support based ships into yet another bloody Tac boat...I hear the Vonph is a popular ship...go get one.
I can count on one hand the number of Sci based ships that are T6...sure as hell can't say that about Tac heavy ships. Heck they even made a Tac heavy Sci ship, like I said...and you know what? No one plays the ship.
Giving it a Lt Cmdr Tac will just make it a inferior Vonph...inferior JHDNC...inferior Narcine...why play it when there are better battle carriers? Instead of people complaining that it doesn't have a Lt Cmdr tac people will just start complaining it isn't as strong as those ships...what next...give the Jupiter a Cmdr Tac and a 4th weapon slot...oh wait people are already asking for that!
Giving it a Lt Cmdr Uni or Tac will also make playing anything besides Tac inferior...so yeah no thanks.
1) There wont be a 3 pack Jupiter bundle for obvious and deserving reasons. To want it is unethical.
2) The Jupiter class is the first faction specific T6 two hanger vessel. It follows in the tradition of some other 2 hanger ships and the Klingons can reasonably expect a copy just as the Atrox was a copy of the Vo'Quv.
3) Cryptic designed and slotted the Jupiter correctly in respects to their design philosophy.
4) Klingons players should be humble with their gifts or the cry for balance may net the FEDs more fighters, more frigates and more carriers.
Some wiser members knew all this info already but the ignorant, the self serving and the intentionally deceitful desire to corrupt the Jupiter into something it shouldn't be.
PS: It is curious to notice that the Romulan D'Deridex has larger shuttle bays and more shuttle compliments than both the Galaxy class and Vesta class but has does not have the option to mount pets in STO. Pre DS9, the D'Deridex had the largest shuttle compliment in the Star Trek canon.
Mother of God, forgive those Dense Blind and Deaf people......
I really wanted to stay out, cause fighting against the Windmills is so tiresome, i was passivly watching the Conversation going on, but every self righteous, narrow minded, FAR from every logic and utterly stupid comment / post of you arrogant, sellfish and ignorant people was like a kick in the down section, maybe you dont noticed it but you guys are NOT the Center of the World! There are others around you too, believe it or not!
This damn Ship was Build together with the WHOLE Community (the "build your OWN ship" Contest) but when it was done, only a third (sci captains) of the community got what everyone worked on, while 2/3 or in other words everyone else got ignored got neglected got NOTHING
Your account is not married to just one class.
Your class is not married to one ship.
If this ship had been a 3-pack with Engineering/Science/Tactical variants, it would still not have been for everyone. KDF characters, ROM users, Escort users, Cruiser users, Science Vessel users, Raider users, Cardassian fans and what not would also have gotten "NOTHING" as you put it.
And the community didn't work on the ship. They voted on the looks. That it would be a Carrier was announced early. And people that look back at what Carriers are usually like, have a pretty good idea what this one might look like, too.
1. Yea right, let me create a new Character whenever a heavily restricted Ship comes out.....
2. Yea right, let me put my Tacs out of their Escorts and put it in this heavy science ship.....
Only FOOLS would try to please EVERY single person out there, cause that is (near) impossible, someone will always have something to complain, so the goal should be to make as MANY as Possible happy with it, and right now THIS is LIGHTYEARS away from that goal. A 3 pack OR just Changing the ltComEng to a LtComUni would allready appeal significantly more Players than this Heavily Restricted thing, and what would be so bad with this???
And even Trendy said it, KDF / ROMULAN, is another story, they hopefully will work on it, but THIS is about a FED SHIP.
So please dont use those cheap arguments yes?
The Event was the "build your OWN ship" event....while it is disaponting BUT not surprising that we had nothing to say in the layout, one would expect that they will come up with something that EVERYONE can somehow make use of, or else they should have stated from the VERY BEGINING that this will be a heavy Science Ship, so the Rest of the Comunity could have stayed away instead of getting excited and Participating.....
Last but not least "And people that look back at what Carriers are usually like, have a pretty good idea what this one might look like, too"
yea because all the Carrier out there are Science heavy.....oh wait ...WRONG, nearly all of the other Carriers are more flexible than this, or at least more balanced, even the Voquv that some of you use as an example so often has a LtComTAC, WHAT A SURPRISE! Now is that thing also considered a Tac Heavy Warmachine? a PEW PEW Vaporizer? get your damn facts straight ya all.....
...so changing the damn LtComEng to a LtComUni would turn that ship into a DEATHMACHINE is that what you are trying to tell us?
Okay, stop for a second - sure, it sounds nice for getting tac and eng abilities for that extra flexibility, but it would also mean giving it the possibility of slotting a lt com sci boff, meaning a rather strong sci focus considering that com sci it already has. Jupiter does not strike me as a ship that should be capable of that level of science dedication.
Also consider the place of the Jupiter in the greater scheme of things - there is a chance that a t6 kitty carrier might follow. There will also most likely be a t6 Vo'quv and Kar'fi. And the Rommies will also get a carrier or two. And I'd say that for the sake of factional diversity, the plan is most likely to have all those up-to-six carriers have a different layout (because it would be boring to just give all sides the same ship, just with a different skin).
It is possible that the Jupiter is what it is simply because the stats for the other t6 carriers have been already somewhat determined by the logic behind t6 upgrades, and this particular layout is the only sensible-ish thing that fits somewhere in between those.
...maybe.
Ok .... I'm gonna stick my Klingon toe into this one for a moment.
Last night, I jumped in game and played my Dominion Dreadnought carrier with it's CMDR tac etc. It's still a fantastic ship and has been in play for quite some time.
So the question becomes ... Is that ship a "DEATHMACHINE" ?
I don't think making the Lt. Cmdr slot a universal would destroy of overpower the ship.
Mother of God, forgive those Dense Blind and Deaf people......
I really wanted to stay out, cause fighting against the Windmills is so tiresome, i was passivly watching the Conversation going on, but every self righteous, narrow minded, FAR from every logic and utterly stupid comment / post of you arrogant, sellfish and ignorant people was like a kick in the down section, maybe you dont noticed it but you guys are NOT the Center of the World! There are others around you too, believe it or not!
This damn Ship was Build together with the WHOLE Community (the "build your OWN ship" Contest) but when it was done, only a third (sci captains) of the community got what everyone worked on, while 2/3 or in other words everyone else got ignored got neglected got NOTHING
Yeah...and it's a battle carrier...weaker shields and hull...so why don't you go use that then instead of trying to turn yet another ship into a Tac machine? They turned the Dauntless to a Tac machine and look at it now...no ones flies the thing...I never see one...but you know what I do see? I see Scryers and LRSV's!
Reading the same TRIBBLE again and again hurts so badly....so changing the damn LtComEng to a LtComUni would turn that ship into a DEATHMACHINE is that what you are trying to tell us? So in your Questionable logic, EVERY ship that has a LtComTac or LtComUni is such a Deathmachine than? really? omg......and gues what...there are people who would like to fly something that has a STARFLEET Design on it, like this ship has, without having to sacrifice efficiency compared to other ships, so could you all stop that stupid argument?
Regarding the Dauntless....its a Tac Focused Science Ship and a Fine one, I DO fly it and i LIKE IT, and i have no idea what Game you Play, but in STO i see more than enough of those Flying around, at least the same amount IF not even more than Scryers!
But since the Scryer is also a heavy Science Ship that only aims for Pure Science Captains, iam not Surprised that you mentioned that thing.....
you people are pathetic, one could say whatever he wants, you would still throw every single possible counter argument known to mankind at us (valid or not) trying to justify your sellfish and self rightous arguments why ONLY YOU should be able to use that new ship that EVERYONE was involved in (building it) while EVERYONE else gets nothing but a Bitter Middlefinger.......
Finally...you admit you just want "moar tac" like everyone else! Good for you! "pats on the head"
It ever occur to you not every ship is meant for everyone? Oh no I guess you didn't because all you can say or think is "moar tac!"
*Pathetic Counter Argument Detected*......like i said thick headed, i was not expecting you or your fellow thick heads to read or god beware even to understand it......
So if some people want "MOAR TAC" and "MOAR PEW PEW" than WHO the ***are you to judge them? Who do you think that you are to say that having Maximum "Spacemagic" like this ship is is ok, but wanting just a smidgin more Flexibility is a SIN, should be Forbidden, is sooo bad? (YES Tac for some therefore LtComUni so everyone can CHOOSE)
People including me asked so often...WHAT is your Problem with that? WHAT will you Loose? UNIVERSAL means YOU can still chose to put an Engineer in that Slot and you will have EXACTLY the SAME ship that it is right now, while others could have the flexibility to choose either sci or TAC (YES YOU CAN REPEAT AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, call it MOAR TAC call it PEW PEW WHATEVER!)
and the "not every ship is meant for everyone" well:
1. Thx to 3 Packs ship can be made more appealing for EVERYONE and
in this case, this ship was built together WITH the Community, we ALL participated in its creation (how often do i have to repeat this before even the last of you get that???) so therefore yes EVERYONE should benefit from it, not just a third! Saying otherwise is nothing but SELLFISH.
You want MOAR TAC...then go play one of the dozen upon dozens of Tac ships...you're the selfish one trying to turn one of the few Science and support based ships into yet another bloody Tac boat...I hear the Vonph is a popular ship...go get one.
I can count on one hand the number of Sci based ships that are T6...sure as hell can't say that about Tac heavy ships. Heck they even made a Tac heavy Sci ship, like I said...and you know what? No one plays the ship.
Giving it a Lt Cmdr Tac will just make it a inferior Vonph...inferior JHDNC...inferior Narcine...why play it when there are better battle carriers? Instead of people complaining that it doesn't have a Lt Cmdr tac people will just start complaining it isn't as strong as those ships...what next...give the Jupiter a Cmdr Tac and a 4th weapon slot...oh wait people are already asking for that!
Giving it a Lt Cmdr Uni or Tac will also make playing anything besides Tac inferior...so yeah no thanks.
youre level of dense and patheticnes is unreached really.......you still repeat the same bloody BS again and again.....
1.The Dozens of other Tac Ships are NOT Carrier, more important they are NOT THE JUPITER, whose Design and other aspects many like other than the restricted boff layout.
2.You are repeating the "you are trying to turn this into that bla bla bla" for the hundredst time now, NO one trys to turn anything, LtComUni means YOU pick YOURS and everyone else picks HIS, habla espanol? No Engrish??? Nu understanding this???
3.Because you say that no one plays those Tac Heavy Science ships makes that true of course...i gues you mean the Dauntless AGAIN, like i said before I DO, and MANY other also fly it, so what game are we talking about again??
4.Most People here said UNI not TAC, most of us are not as Sellfish as you guys are, we want you to have yours and we have ours, therefore the LtComUni not LtComTac, you guys dont lose anything, and the rest of us will gain something, how can this be a bad thing? the only way someone could dislike this is what i said so often before, SELLFISH REASONS.
5.this point is releated to the first point....LtComUni making it a inferior Vonph JHDC and so on.....you even notcie how much BS you talk there? you even know WHY so many People would like to fly it? even if its inferior here and there? i tell ya, because IT LOOKS LIKE A STARFLEET SHIP, some people dont like the Alien Ships, that goes for some KDF, FED AND ROM Players, who like to fly what looks like a ship from that Faction, BUT those People would also Prefer if that ship also has a somewhat fitting layout,
I really like the Jupiter Design, and the Pets even the Intel over Command is doable, BUT the Boff Layout kills it for me and SO many others, THIS is the reason why people are frustrated, THIS is the reason for the heat here, unfortunately THIS is also what you DENSE people refuse to understand and THAT is also unfortunately something i cant change, so iam sorry for you guys.
5.this point is releated to the first point....LtComUni making it a inferior Vonph JHDC and so on.....you even notcie how much BS you talk there? you even know WHY so many People would like to fly it? even if its inferior here and there? i tell ya, because IT LOOKS LIKE A STARFLEET SHIP, some people dont like the Alien Ships, that goes for some KDF, FED AND ROM Players, who like to fly what looks like a ship from that Faction, BUT those People would also Prefer if that ship also has a somewhat fitting layout,
There is a HUGE amount of truth in that comment right there.
It's the one thing I hate most about the JH Dreadnought Cruiser. ... I love the performance but it is not Klingon. It is not Romulan ... and it is not Starfleet.
I'd trade it in a heartbeat for one that could perform close to the JHDC but be faction oriented.
If it walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck...it's most definitely a Duck! and I prove my point by the layout comparing to existing Dreadnought Carriers already in game (Excluding the JHDC)
On another note I'm assuming they are science orientated so they can act as a support ship and heal their fighters/team mates thus keeping them alive and in the fight, that would work if half the things in the game didn't swat even elite fighters like flies.
Perhaps upgrading fighter hulls/shields a little might be a good idea.
5.this point is releated to the first point....LtComUni making it a inferior Vonph JHDC and so on.....you even notcie how much BS you talk there? you even know WHY so many People would like to fly it? even if its inferior here and there? i tell ya, because IT LOOKS LIKE A STARFLEET SHIP, some people dont like the Alien Ships, that goes for some KDF, FED AND ROM Players, who like to fly what looks like a ship from that Faction, BUT those People would also Prefer if that ship also has a somewhat fitting layout,
There is a HUGE amount of truth in that comment right there.
It's the one thing I hate most about the JH Dreadnought Cruiser. ... I love the performance but it is not Klingon. It is not Romulan ... and it is not Starfleet.
I'd trade it in a heartbeat for one that could perform close to the JHDC but be faction oriented.
EXACTLY. I fly the Jem Dread WITH the Attack Ship Pets on Fed Side...on my Vulcan Engineer Sarek....and while the Ship Performs outstandingly (outperforming most other ships including the Jupiter) i HATE the Fact that a Federation Vulcan flys...a Dominion Ship O_o and for this Character i wanted the Jupiter, KNOWING that technicaly it would be a MAJOR Downgrade in "MOAR TAC" and "PEW PEW" (to quote some people saying all i want is moar tac bla bla)
But it would be OK, at least i would not get eye cancer seing my Fed Vulcan flying an Alien Ship....but this thing....its WAY to Restricted to Justify pulling my char out of them Jem into this thing....and this Hurts because this could be such a Fine Ship, with just a smidgin more Flexibility (LtComUni) but of course dont we dare asking for such a thing, or else we will be shoot to death by the self rightous Defenders of Grayskull errr i mean Cryptic
5.this point is releated to the first point....LtComUni making it a inferior Vonph JHDC and so on.....you even notcie how much BS you talk there? you even know WHY so many People would like to fly it? even if its inferior here and there? i tell ya, because IT LOOKS LIKE A STARFLEET SHIP, some people dont like the Alien Ships, that goes for some KDF, FED AND ROM Players, who like to fly what looks like a ship from that Faction, BUT those People would also Prefer if that ship also has a somewhat fitting layout,
There is a HUGE amount of truth in that comment right there.
It's the one thing I hate most about the JH Dreadnought Cruiser. ... I love the performance but it is not Klingon. It is not Romulan ... and it is not Starfleet.
I'd trade it in a heartbeat for one that could perform close to the JHDC but be faction oriented.
EXACTLY. I fly the Jem Dread WITH the Attack Ship Pets on Fed Side...on my Vulcan Engineer Sarek....and while the Ship Performs outstandingly (outperforming most other ships including the Jupiter) i HATE the Fact that a Federation Vulcan flys...a Dominion Ship O_o and for this Character i wanted the Jupiter, KNOWING that technicaly it would be a MAJOR Downgrade in "MOAR TAC" and "PEW PEW" (to quote some people saying all i want is moar tac bla bla)
But it would be OK, at least i would not get eye cancer seing my Fed Vulcan flying an Alien Ship....but this thing....its WAY to Restricted to Justify pulling my char out of them Jem into this thing....and this Hurts because this could be such a Fine Ship, with just a smidgin more Flexibility (LtComUni) but of course dont we dare asking for such a thing, or else we will be shoot to death by the self rightous Defenders of Grayskull errr i mean Cryptic
So like I said...you want another generic piece of Tac junk...stop trying to turn one of the few Sci ships into a Tac variant...you keep bringing up selfish...well you're the very definition of selfish.
Just stop...stop...with any BS you're claiming in the name of diversity when all you want is a Tac heavy ship...you want a Tac Carrier go play the T6 Akira. The ship has enough Tac to slot FaW, APB, TT, and a Kemo...if you need more than that it's not the ships fault it's yours.
So how about instead of trying to turn the first Sci ship released in a year that doesn't cost almost a billion EC into the millionth Tac ship you go learn to play?
people just can't accept that this ship was chosen to be a sci oriented ship and not another tac boat, of which there are more than enough. Ones that can ever out perform this one as so many have said. So why tac ppl are complaining when they supposedly have ships that are already better, is beyond me. If you have better ships than this now, then you obviously just don't need this one.
the problem is people want this one, but its not geared towards their particular desires and of course, that just won't do.
If it walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck...it's most definitely a Duck! and I prove my point by the layout comparing to existing Dreadnought Carriers already in game (Excluding the JHDC)
On another note I'm assuming they are science orientated so they can act as a support ship and heal their fighters/team mates thus keeping them alive and in the fight, that would work if half the things in the game didn't swat even elite fighters like flies.
Perhaps upgrading fighter hulls/shields a little might be a good idea.
I'm sitting wondering why does everyone think this goose is a duck but please keep telling me, your fellow players, and better yet Cryptic how you know what ship they was better than them. I know what I can say I'm thankful for today.
5.this point is releated to the first point....LtComUni making it a inferior Vonph JHDC and so on.....you even notcie how much BS you talk there? you even know WHY so many People would like to fly it? even if its inferior here and there? i tell ya, because IT LOOKS LIKE A STARFLEET SHIP, some people dont like the Alien Ships, that goes for some KDF, FED AND ROM Players, who like to fly what looks like a ship from that Faction, BUT those People would also Prefer if that ship also has a somewhat fitting layout,
There is a HUGE amount of truth in that comment right there.
It's the one thing I hate most about the JH Dreadnought Cruiser. ... I love the performance but it is not Klingon. It is not Romulan ... and it is not Starfleet.
I'd trade it in a heartbeat for one that could perform close to the JHDC but be faction oriented.
EXACTLY. I fly the Jem Dread WITH the Attack Ship Pets on Fed Side...on my Vulcan Engineer Sarek....and while the Ship Performs outstandingly (outperforming most other ships including the Jupiter) i HATE the Fact that a Federation Vulcan flys...a Dominion Ship O_o and for this Character i wanted the Jupiter, KNOWING that technicaly it would be a MAJOR Downgrade in "MOAR TAC" and "PEW PEW" (to quote some people saying all i want is moar tac bla bla)
But it would be OK, at least i would not get eye cancer seing my Fed Vulcan flying an Alien Ship....but this thing....its WAY to Restricted to Justify pulling my char out of them Jem into this thing....and this Hurts because this could be such a Fine Ship, with just a smidgin more Flexibility (LtComUni) but of course dont we dare asking for such a thing, or else we will be shoot to death by the self rightous Defenders of Grayskull errr i mean Cryptic
So like I said...you want another generic piece of Tac junk...stop trying to turn one of the few Sci ships into a Tac variant...you keep bringing up selfish...well you're the very definition of selfish.
Just stop...stop...with any BS you're claiming in the name of diversity when all you want is a Tac heavy ship...you want a Tac Carrier go play the T6 Akira. The ship has enough Tac to slot FaW, APB, TT, and a Kemo...if you need more than that it's not the ships fault it's yours.
So how about instead of trying to turn the first Sci ship released in a year that doesn't cost almost a billion EC into the millionth Tac ship you go learn to play?
"stop trying to turn one of the few Sci ships into a Tac variant"...again? the same TRIBBLE?....dude what kind of Major Braindamage one must have to repeat the same stuff again and again and again and 5000x more again, when it was allready said TIME AFTER TIME that ITS NOT the case? What Language you need it to be explained in so that even you can understand it? Certainly not English seing that you still repeat the same BS.
Every Piece of your answer shows me that you have not read anything that i wrote, or if so that you have not understand a single word.
The Character that i wanted this Ship for flys the Jem Hadar Dreadnought WITH the Attack Ship Pets, so i have an overload of PEW PEW and TAC, yet still you say this garbage that i want more Tac and Pew Pew, when its clear that i would sacrifice most of that Pew Pew only so i can Fly something that has a STARFLEET Design on it? *TRIPPLE FACEPALM*
Even changing the LtComEng to ta Uni would still be a Major Downgrade in Tac for me, BUT it would make it at least a smidgin less Devastating, you now what Smidging means? JUST A LITTLE, no ones asks for a Commander level Tac, 5 Tac Consoles or a Scimitar like 5/3 Weapons Layout, reading all your BS would makes one think exactly that......
So by your Flawed Logic Sellfish means: Someone who wants everyone to be able to utilize something EQUALLY
BUT, someone who wants ONLY a Portiona of People to be able to use that "something" is not Sellfish?.....
You need help man...serious help, with your logic, half the Humanity would Starve to death, while the others are swimming in Wine.....
So YOU STOP Repeating the same, far from any logic, nonsense arguments, because it really gets so badly pathetic (if it can even get worse than it is allready)
people just can't accept that this ship was chosen to be a sci oriented ship and not another tac boat, of which there are more than enough. Ones that can ever out perform this one as so many have said. So why tac ppl are complaining when they supposedly have ships that are already better, is beyond me. If you have better ships than this now, then you obviously just don't need this one.
the problem is people want this one, but its not geared towards their particular desires and of course, that just won't do.
*rolls eyes*
you also didnt read anything at all, or else you would know WHY those people would like to fly this Particular Ship, and not ANY other Ship......*Facepalming while Eyes Rolling*
people just can't accept that this ship was chosen to be a sci oriented ship and not another tac boat, of which there are more than enough. Ones that can ever out perform this one as so many have said. So why tac ppl are complaining when they supposedly have ships that are already better, is beyond me. If you have better ships than this now, then you obviously just don't need this one.
the problem is people want this one, but its not geared towards their particular desires and of course, that just won't do.
*rolls eyes*
Exactly...
Which is the exact definition of selfish...a word someone keeps tossing around.
So what happens if it gets a Tac Lt Cmdr? Then people are going to complain it doesn't have a Tac Cmdr so they can't use APO III and FaW III...why? Because even T5 Carriers have a Cmdr Tac...then what next? It's not fair the Sarr Theln has 4 Tac consoles and the Jupiter doesn't...next? It's not fair the ship can't compete with the Vonph...it needs a 4th weapon slot...then people will whine that it doesn't have Command and Intel like the Vonph...ect ect ect.
people just can't accept that this ship was chosen to be a sci oriented ship and not another tac boat, of which there are more than enough. Ones that can ever out perform this one as so many have said. So why tac ppl are complaining when they supposedly have ships that are already better, is beyond me. If you have better ships than this now, then you obviously just don't need this one.
the problem is people want this one, but its not geared towards their particular desires and of course, that just won't do.
*rolls eyes*
Exactly...
Which is the exact definition of selfish...a word someone keeps tossing around.
So what happens if it gets a Tac Lt Cmdr? Then people are going to complain it doesn't have a Tac Cmdr so they can't use APO III and FaW III...why? Because even T5 Carriers have a Cmdr Tac...then what next? It's not fair the Sarr Theln has 4 Tac consoles and the Jupiter doesn't...next? It's not fair the ship can't compete with the Vonph...it needs a 4th weapon slot...then people will whine that it doesn't have Command and Intel like the Vonph...ect ect ect.
Pretty much.
I remember back in the day when the kitty carrier was released. There was a lot "We want a Starfleet carrier!", "At least give it a Starfleet skin.", and "We don't want to fly the blue donger"
They pretty much upgraded the kitty carrier, gave some very nice pets (don't even need to release a new carrier Cryptic, just toss some BoP flavored versions of those bad boys KDFside please), and gave it a skin chosen by the playerbase.
There is an old saying about inches and miles I can't remember right now.
people just can't accept that this ship was chosen to be a sci oriented ship and not another tac boat, of which there are more than enough. Ones that can ever out perform this one as so many have said. So why tac ppl are complaining when they supposedly have ships that are already better, is beyond me. If you have better ships than this now, then you obviously just don't need this one.
the problem is people want this one, but its not geared towards their particular desires and of course, that just won't do.
*rolls eyes*
Exactly...
Which is the exact definition of selfish...a word someone keeps tossing around.
So what happens if it gets a Tac Lt Cmdr? Then people are going to complain it doesn't have a Tac Cmdr so they can't use APO III and FaW III...why? Because even T5 Carriers have a Cmdr Tac...then what next? It's not fair the Sarr Theln has 4 Tac consoles and the Jupiter doesn't...next? It's not fair the ship can't compete with the Vonph...it needs a 4th weapon slot...then people will whine that it doesn't have Command and Intel like the Vonph...ect ect ect.
Exactly. Because greed is a thing that exists. You give em something, they'll just want more and more and basically never be satisfied. I'm sure, like beyond a doubt that the devs knew these wep/console and boff layouts would not please everyone.
Because you can't please everyone, because someone or some people will ALWAYS find something to complain about. Trying to please everyone is a foolish endeavor. And just because in this particular instance they decided, okay lets not cater to tac this time, everyone freaks out. Which is proof of how spoiled tacs have been now for a while. They can't accept that once in a blue moom, they are not the priority or target audience of ONE ship. JFC.
I can't wait to fly this ship and bring it into stf's and actually have some fun while others play a game that makes them miserable lol
::: shrugs ... Some like TAC ... others like ENG ... and still others like SCI.
The uni LTCMDR would take care of that as would a three pack. And there is nothing wrong with having options.
As FEDs like to say ... IDIC.
In principle I agree with you. but I also respect the devs. And respect that they will make decisions that we won't all love because that right there is life.
but think, if there was a 3 pack, everyone would fly tac. the other two would be there for what reason? They wanted this to be a sci oriented ship. There is nothing wrong with that. Its very interesting and if people would apply the grey matter in their skulls for once maybe they could apply themselves to making a build that could be great, instead of stamping their feet and pouting.
And all this is pointless because we all know that after its released, the complaining will eventually stop and we'll all go on with our lives. Like we do whenever something happens in this game that people don't like.
This will all blow over just like the TRIBBLE storm about the T6 Defiant did.
5.this point is releated to the first point....LtComUni making it a inferior Vonph JHDC and so on.....you even notcie how much BS you talk there? you even know WHY so many People would like to fly it? even if its inferior here and there? i tell ya, because IT LOOKS LIKE A STARFLEET SHIP, some people dont like the Alien Ships, that goes for some KDF, FED AND ROM Players, who like to fly what looks like a ship from that Faction, BUT those People would also Prefer if that ship also has a somewhat fitting layout,
There is a HUGE amount of truth in that comment right there.
It's the one thing I hate most about the JH Dreadnought Cruiser. ... I love the performance but it is not Klingon. It is not Romulan ... and it is not Starfleet.
I'd trade it in a heartbeat for one that could perform close to the JHDC but be faction oriented.
EXACTLY. I fly the Jem Dread WITH the Attack Ship Pets on Fed Side...on my Vulcan Engineer Sarek....and while the Ship Performs outstandingly (outperforming most other ships including the Jupiter) i HATE the Fact that a Federation Vulcan flys...a Dominion Ship O_o and for this Character i wanted the Jupiter, KNOWING that technicaly it would be a MAJOR Downgrade in "MOAR TAC" and "PEW PEW" (to quote some people saying all i want is moar tac bla bla)
But it would be OK, at least i would not get eye cancer seing my Fed Vulcan flying an Alien Ship....but this thing....its WAY to Restricted to Justify pulling my char out of them Jem into this thing....and this Hurts because this could be such a Fine Ship, with just a smidgin more Flexibility (LtComUni) but of course dont we dare asking for such a thing, or else we will be shoot to death by the self rightous Defenders of Grayskull errr i mean Cryptic
So like I said...you want another generic piece of Tac junk...stop trying to turn one of the few Sci ships into a Tac variant...you keep bringing up selfish...well you're the very definition of selfish.
Just stop...stop...with any BS you're claiming in the name of diversity when all you want is a Tac heavy ship...you want a Tac Carrier go play the T6 Akira. The ship has enough Tac to slot FaW, APB, TT, and a Kemo...if you need more than that it's not the ships fault it's yours.
So how about instead of trying to turn the first Sci ship released in a year that doesn't cost almost a billion EC into the millionth Tac ship you go learn to play?
"stop trying to turn one of the few Sci ships into a Tac variant"...again? the same TRIBBLE?....dude what kind of Major Braindamage one must have to repeat the same stuff again and again and again and 5000x more again, when it was allready said TIME AFTER TIME that ITS NOT the case? What Language you need it to be explained in so that even you can understand it? Certainly not English seing that you still repeat the same BS.
Every Piece of your answer shows me that you have not read anything that i wrote, or if so that you have not understand a single word.
The Character that i wanted this Ship for flys the Jem Hadar Dreadnought WITH the Attack Ship Pets, so i have an overload of PEW PEW and TAC, yet still you say this garbage that i want more Tac and Pew Pew, when its clear that i would sacrifice most of that Pew Pew only so i can Fly something that has a STARFLEET Design on it? *TRIPPLE FACEPALM*
Even changing the LtComEng to ta Uni would still be a Major Downgrade in Tac for me, BUT it would make it at least a smidgin less Devastating, you now what Smidging means? JUST A LITTLE, no ones asks for a Commander level Tac, 5 Tac Consoles or a Scimitar like 5/3 Weapons Layout, reading all your BS would makes one think exactly that......
So by your Flawed Logic Sellfish means: Someone who wants everyone to be able to utilize something EQUALLY
BUT, someone who wants ONLY a Portiona of People to be able to use that "something" is not Sellfish?.....
You need help man...serious help, with your logic, half the Humanity would Starve to death, while the others are swimming in Wine.....
So YOU STOP Repeating the same, far from any logic, nonsense arguments, because it really gets so badly pathetic (if it can even get worse than it is allready)
people just can't accept that this ship was chosen to be a sci oriented ship and not another tac boat, of which there are more than enough. Ones that can ever out perform this one as so many have said. So why tac ppl are complaining when they supposedly have ships that are already better, is beyond me. If you have better ships than this now, then you obviously just don't need this one.
the problem is people want this one, but its not geared towards their particular desires and of course, that just won't do.
*rolls eyes*
you also didnt read anything at all, or else you would know WHY those people would like to fly this Particular Ship, and not ANY other Ship......*Facepalming while Eyes Rolling*
Just curious... were you a douche from the point of conception, or did it take practice being this much of an a**?
1) There wont be a 3 pack Jupiter bundle for obvious and deserving reasons. To want it is unethical.
2) The Jupiter class is the first faction specific T6 two hanger vessel. It follows in the tradition of some other 2 hanger ships and the Klingons can reasonably expect a copy just as the Atrox was a copy of the Vo'Quv.
3) Cryptic designed and slotted the Jupiter correctly in respects to their design philosophy.
4) Klingons players should be humble with their gifts or the cry for balance may net the FEDs more fighters, more frigates and more carriers.
Some wiser members knew all this info already but the ignorant, the self serving and the intentionally deceitful desire to corrupt the Jupiter into something it shouldn't be.
PS: It is curious to notice that the Romulan D'Deridex has larger shuttle bays and more shuttle compliments than both the Galaxy class and Vesta class but has does not have the option to mount pets in STO. Pre DS9, the D'Deridex had the largest shuttle compliment in the Star Trek canon.
/facepalm....
The federation already had a copy of Vo'Quv the Atrox.. so by your logic.. we should be getting a copy of the other KDF Carrier the Kar'Fi.... as we have already pointed out many times.. that we already have a sci based Carrier.
As others have pointed out they already stated.. the DEVS stated that from the start they were looking at this replacing a dreadnought class starship...
So more points to a 4/3 with a lttac then does a 3/3 sci carrier...
But I'm still waiting for someone to prove how the 3/3 breen carrier that had 4 tac consoles and a ltcmd tac that was free to almost 2million captains at the time imbalanced the game...
people just can't accept that this ship was chosen to be a sci oriented ship and not another tac boat, of which there are more than enough. Ones that can ever out perform this one as so many have said. So why tac ppl are complaining when they supposedly have ships that are already better, is beyond me. If you have better ships than this now, then you obviously just don't need this one.
the problem is people want this one, but its not geared towards their particular desires and of course, that just won't do.
*rolls eyes*
Exactly...
Which is the exact definition of selfish...a word someone keeps tossing around.
So what happens if it gets a Tac Lt Cmdr? Then people are going to complain it doesn't have a Tac Cmdr so they can't use APO III and FaW III...why? Because even T5 Carriers have a Cmdr Tac...then what next? It's not fair the Sarr Theln has 4 Tac consoles and the Jupiter doesn't...next? It's not fair the ship can't compete with the Vonph...it needs a 4th weapon slot...then people will whine that it doesn't have Command and Intel like the Vonph...ect ect ect.
Pretty much.
I remember back in the day when the kitty carrier was released. There was a lot "We want a Starfleet carrier!", "At least give it a Starfleet skin.", and "We don't want to fly the blue donger"
They pretty much upgraded the kitty carrier, gave some very nice pets (don't even need to release a new carrier Cryptic, just toss some BoP flavored versions of those bad boys KDFside please), and gave it a skin chosen by the playerbase.
There is an old saying about inches and miles I can't remember right now.
Different meta back then.. they were also asking for frigate pets as well if you remember...
They are never going to produce a game breaking ubership, so the whining about stats I see is just ridiculously pointless.
This Jupiter is still not my favorite design but it's a good looking design in it's finished form and it will be a welcome change if it's to replace the old Jupiter model.
I would still like to see an option to change the engine pods and pylons, make them all the same size or swap them around to put the big ones on the bottom, that sort of thing.
As for the clamor about the remarks regarding the Federation lacking Science ships, well at Tier 6 that is true enough for Every faction so we can but hope they are working to address that, though it is true enough that the output of the ships designers of late have indeed been impressive, so only time will tell
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
5.this point is releated to the first point....LtComUni making it a inferior Vonph JHDC and so on.....you even notcie how much BS you talk there? you even know WHY so many People would like to fly it? even if its inferior here and there? i tell ya, because IT LOOKS LIKE A STARFLEET SHIP, some people dont like the Alien Ships, that goes for some KDF, FED AND ROM Players, who like to fly what looks like a ship from that Faction, BUT those People would also Prefer if that ship also has a somewhat fitting layout,
There is a HUGE amount of truth in that comment right there.
It's the one thing I hate most about the JH Dreadnought Cruiser. ... I love the performance but it is not Klingon. It is not Romulan ... and it is not Starfleet.
I'd trade it in a heartbeat for one that could perform close to the JHDC but be faction oriented.
EXACTLY. I fly the Jem Dread WITH the Attack Ship Pets on Fed Side...on my Vulcan Engineer Sarek....and while the Ship Performs outstandingly (outperforming most other ships including the Jupiter) i HATE the Fact that a Federation Vulcan flys...a Dominion Ship O_o and for this Character i wanted the Jupiter, KNOWING that technicaly it would be a MAJOR Downgrade in "MOAR TAC" and "PEW PEW" (to quote some people saying all i want is moar tac bla bla)
But it would be OK, at least i would not get eye cancer seing my Fed Vulcan flying an Alien Ship....but this thing....its WAY to Restricted to Justify pulling my char out of them Jem into this thing....and this Hurts because this could be such a Fine Ship, with just a smidgin more Flexibility (LtComUni) but of course dont we dare asking for such a thing, or else we will be shoot to death by the self rightous Defenders of Grayskull errr i mean Cryptic
So like I said...you want another generic piece of Tac junk...stop trying to turn one of the few Sci ships into a Tac variant...you keep bringing up selfish...well you're the very definition of selfish.
Just stop...stop...with any BS you're claiming in the name of diversity when all you want is a Tac heavy ship...you want a Tac Carrier go play the T6 Akira. The ship has enough Tac to slot FaW, APB, TT, and a Kemo...if you need more than that it's not the ships fault it's yours.
So how about instead of trying to turn the first Sci ship released in a year that doesn't cost almost a billion EC into the millionth Tac ship you go learn to play?
"stop trying to turn one of the few Sci ships into a Tac variant"...again? the same TRIBBLE?....dude what kind of Major Braindamage one must have to repeat the same stuff again and again and again and 5000x more again, when it was allready said TIME AFTER TIME that ITS NOT the case? What Language you need it to be explained in so that even you can understand it? Certainly not English seing that you still repeat the same BS.
Every Piece of your answer shows me that you have not read anything that i wrote, or if so that you have not understand a single word.
The Character that i wanted this Ship for flys the Jem Hadar Dreadnought WITH the Attack Ship Pets, so i have an overload of PEW PEW and TAC, yet still you say this garbage that i want more Tac and Pew Pew, when its clear that i would sacrifice most of that Pew Pew only so i can Fly something that has a STARFLEET Design on it? *TRIPPLE FACEPALM*
Even changing the LtComEng to ta Uni would still be a Major Downgrade in Tac for me, BUT it would make it at least a smidgin less Devastating, you now what Smidging means? JUST A LITTLE, no ones asks for a Commander level Tac, 5 Tac Consoles or a Scimitar like 5/3 Weapons Layout, reading all your BS would makes one think exactly that......
So by your Flawed Logic Sellfish means: Someone who wants everyone to be able to utilize something EQUALLY
BUT, someone who wants ONLY a Portiona of People to be able to use that "something" is not Sellfish?.....
You need help man...serious help, with your logic, half the Humanity would Starve to death, while the others are swimming in Wine.....
So YOU STOP Repeating the same, far from any logic, nonsense arguments, because it really gets so badly pathetic (if it can even get worse than it is allready)
people just can't accept that this ship was chosen to be a sci oriented ship and not another tac boat, of which there are more than enough. Ones that can ever out perform this one as so many have said. So why tac ppl are complaining when they supposedly have ships that are already better, is beyond me. If you have better ships than this now, then you obviously just don't need this one.
the problem is people want this one, but its not geared towards their particular desires and of course, that just won't do.
*rolls eyes*
you also didnt read anything at all, or else you would know WHY those people would like to fly this Particular Ship, and not ANY other Ship......*Facepalming while Eyes Rolling*
Just curious... were you a douche from the point of conception, or did it take practice being this much of an a**?
Too much d*ck-waving in this thread.
in a thread full with douches and a**, who know only the me me me, iam certain that iam the least douche here, thank you very much.
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Okay, stop for a second - sure, it sounds nice for getting tac and eng abilities for that extra flexibility, but it would also mean giving it the possibility of slotting a lt com sci boff, meaning a rather strong sci focus considering that com sci it already has. Jupiter does not strike me as a ship that should be capable of that level of science dedication.
Also consider the place of the Jupiter in the greater scheme of things - there is a chance that a t6 kitty carrier might follow. There will also most likely be a t6 Vo'quv and Kar'fi. And the Rommies will also get a carrier or two. And I'd say that for the sake of factional diversity, the plan is most likely to have all those up-to-six carriers have a different layout (because it would be boring to just give all sides the same ship, just with a different skin).
It is possible that the Jupiter is what it is simply because the stats for the other t6 carriers have been already somewhat determined by the logic behind t6 upgrades, and this particular layout is the only sensible-ish thing that fits somewhere in between those.
...maybe.
You forgot to add:
Your account is not married to just one class.
Your class is not married to one ship.
If this ship had been a 3-pack with Engineering/Science/Tactical variants, it would still not have been for everyone. KDF characters, ROM users, Escort users, Cruiser users, Science Vessel users, Raider users, Cardassian fans and what not would also have gotten "NOTHING" as you put it.
And the community didn't work on the ship. They voted on the looks. That it would be a Carrier was announced early. And people that look back at what Carriers are usually like, have a pretty good idea what this one might look like, too.
You want MOAR TAC...then go play one of the dozen upon dozens of Tac ships...you're the selfish one trying to turn one of the few Science and support based ships into yet another bloody Tac boat...I hear the Vonph is a popular ship...go get one.
I can count on one hand the number of Sci based ships that are T6...sure as hell can't say that about Tac heavy ships. Heck they even made a Tac heavy Sci ship, like I said...and you know what? No one plays the ship.
Giving it a Lt Cmdr Tac will just make it a inferior Vonph...inferior JHDNC...inferior Narcine...why play it when there are better battle carriers? Instead of people complaining that it doesn't have a Lt Cmdr tac people will just start complaining it isn't as strong as those ships...what next...give the Jupiter a Cmdr Tac and a 4th weapon slot...oh wait people are already asking for that!
Giving it a Lt Cmdr Uni or Tac will also make playing anything besides Tac inferior...so yeah no thanks.
6 Klingon Frigates
T3 Dacoit Flight-Deck Cruiser -1 Hanger
T4 Corsair Flight-Deck Cruiser -1 Hanger
T5 Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser -1 Hanger
T5 Corsair Flight Deck Cruiser Retrofit -1 Hanger
T5.5 Fleet Corsair Flight Deck Cruiser Retrofit -1 Hanger
T5.5 Bortasqu' War Cruiser -HoH'SuS Bird-of-Prey
T6 Qa'Tel Flight Deck Raptor -1 Hanger
T6 Fleet Qin Flight Deck Raptor -1 Hanger
T6 An'quat Command Battlecruiser -1 Hanger
T6 Klinzhai Command Battlecruiser -1 Hanger
T6 Ty'Gokor Command Battlecruiser -1 Hanger
T6 Kolasi Siege Destroyer -1 Hanger
T6 Fleet Guramba Siege Destroyer -1 Hanger
T5 Vo'Quv Carrier -2 Hangers
T5 Mirror Vo'Quv -2 Hangers
T5.5 Fleet Vo'Quv Carrier -2 Hangers
T5.5 Kar'Fi Battle Carrier -2 Hangers
T5.5 Fleet Kar'Fi Battle Carrier -2 Hangers
18 FED Pets
0 FED Frigates
T5.5 Armitage Class -1 Hanger
T5.5 Fleet Armitage Class -1 Hanger
T5.5 Rademaker class -1 Hanger
T5.5 Vesta class -1 Hanger
T5.5 Aventine class -1 Hanger
T5.5 Galaxy X -1 Hanger
T5.5 Fleet Galaxy X -1 Hanger
T5.5 Odyssey Tactical Cruiser -Aquarius Escort
T6 Pathfinder class -Aero Shuttle
T6 Alita Class -1 Hanger
T6 Fleet Alita Class -1 Hanger
T6 Yamato class -1 Hanger
T6 Fleet Yamato class -1 Hanger
T6 Concorde Command Battlecruiser -1 Hanger
T6 Presidio Command Battlecruiser -1 Hanger
T6 Geneva Command Battlecruiser -1 Hanger
T5.5 Caitian Atrox Carrier -2 Hangers
T5.5 Fleet Caitian Atrox Carrier -2 Hangers
6 Romulan Pets
3 Romulan Frigates
T5.5 Ar'Kif Class Retrofit -1 Hanger
T5.5 Fleet Ar'Kif Class Retrofit -1 Hanger
T5.5 Scimitar Dreadnought Warbird -1 Hanger
T5.5 Falchion Dreadnought Warbird -1 Hanger
T5.5 Tulwar Dreadnought Warbird -1 Hanger
T6 Kara Advanced Warbird -1 Hanger
T6 Fleet Kara Advanced Warbird -1 Hanger
T6 Baratan Command Battlecruiser -1 Hanger
T6 Deihu Command Battlecruiser -1 Hanger
T6 Vastam Command Battlecruiser -1 Hanger
1) There wont be a 3 pack Jupiter bundle for obvious and deserving reasons. To want it is unethical.
2) The Jupiter class is the first faction specific T6 two hanger vessel. It follows in the tradition of some other 2 hanger ships and the Klingons can reasonably expect a copy just as the Atrox was a copy of the Vo'Quv.
3) Cryptic designed and slotted the Jupiter correctly in respects to their design philosophy.
4) Klingons players should be humble with their gifts or the cry for balance may net the FEDs more fighters, more frigates and more carriers.
Some wiser members knew all this info already but the ignorant, the self serving and the intentionally deceitful desire to corrupt the Jupiter into something it shouldn't be.
PS: It is curious to notice that the Romulan D'Deridex has larger shuttle bays and more shuttle compliments than both the Galaxy class and Vesta class but has does not have the option to mount pets in STO. Pre DS9, the D'Deridex had the largest shuttle compliment in the Star Trek canon.
1. Yea right, let me create a new Character whenever a heavily restricted Ship comes out.....
2. Yea right, let me put my Tacs out of their Escorts and put it in this heavy science ship.....
Only FOOLS would try to please EVERY single person out there, cause that is (near) impossible, someone will always have something to complain, so the goal should be to make as MANY as Possible happy with it, and right now THIS is LIGHTYEARS away from that goal. A 3 pack OR just Changing the ltComEng to a LtComUni would allready appeal significantly more Players than this Heavily Restricted thing, and what would be so bad with this???
And even Trendy said it, KDF / ROMULAN, is another story, they hopefully will work on it, but THIS is about a FED SHIP.
So please dont use those cheap arguments yes?
The Event was the "build your OWN ship" event....while it is disaponting BUT not surprising that we had nothing to say in the layout, one would expect that they will come up with something that EVERYONE can somehow make use of, or else they should have stated from the VERY BEGINING that this will be a heavy Science Ship, so the Rest of the Comunity could have stayed away instead of getting excited and Participating.....
Last but not least "And people that look back at what Carriers are usually like, have a pretty good idea what this one might look like, too"
yea because all the Carrier out there are Science heavy.....oh wait ...WRONG, nearly all of the other Carriers are more flexible than this, or at least more balanced, even the Voquv that some of you use as an example so often has a LtComTAC, WHAT A SURPRISE! Now is that thing also considered a Tac Heavy Warmachine? a PEW PEW Vaporizer? get your damn facts straight ya all.....
Ok .... I'm gonna stick my Klingon toe into this one for a moment.
Last night, I jumped in game and played my Dominion Dreadnought carrier with it's CMDR tac etc. It's still a fantastic ship and has been in play for quite some time.
So the question becomes ... Is that ship a "DEATHMACHINE" ?
I don't think making the Lt. Cmdr slot a universal would destroy of overpower the ship.
Truth is ... what is deadly are those frigates.
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youre level of dense and patheticnes is unreached really.......you still repeat the same bloody BS again and again.....
1.The Dozens of other Tac Ships are NOT Carrier, more important they are NOT THE JUPITER, whose Design and other aspects many like other than the restricted boff layout.
2.You are repeating the "you are trying to turn this into that bla bla bla" for the hundredst time now, NO one trys to turn anything, LtComUni means YOU pick YOURS and everyone else picks HIS, habla espanol? No Engrish??? Nu understanding this???
3.Because you say that no one plays those Tac Heavy Science ships makes that true of course...i gues you mean the Dauntless AGAIN, like i said before I DO, and MANY other also fly it, so what game are we talking about again??
4.Most People here said UNI not TAC, most of us are not as Sellfish as you guys are, we want you to have yours and we have ours, therefore the LtComUni not LtComTac, you guys dont lose anything, and the rest of us will gain something, how can this be a bad thing? the only way someone could dislike this is what i said so often before, SELLFISH REASONS.
5.this point is releated to the first point....LtComUni making it a inferior Vonph JHDC and so on.....you even notcie how much BS you talk there? you even know WHY so many People would like to fly it? even if its inferior here and there? i tell ya, because IT LOOKS LIKE A STARFLEET SHIP, some people dont like the Alien Ships, that goes for some KDF, FED AND ROM Players, who like to fly what looks like a ship from that Faction, BUT those People would also Prefer if that ship also has a somewhat fitting layout,
I really like the Jupiter Design, and the Pets even the Intel over Command is doable, BUT the Boff Layout kills it for me and SO many others, THIS is the reason why people are frustrated, THIS is the reason for the heat here, unfortunately THIS is also what you DENSE people refuse to understand and THAT is also unfortunately something i cant change, so iam sorry for you guys.
There is a HUGE amount of truth in that comment right there.
It's the one thing I hate most about the JH Dreadnought Cruiser. ... I love the performance but it is not Klingon. It is not Romulan ... and it is not Starfleet.
I'd trade it in a heartbeat for one that could perform close to the JHDC but be faction oriented.
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Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
If it walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck...it's most definitely a Duck! and I prove my point by the layout comparing to existing Dreadnought Carriers already in game (Excluding the JHDC)
On another note I'm assuming they are science orientated so they can act as a support ship and heal their fighters/team mates thus keeping them alive and in the fight, that would work if half the things in the game didn't swat even elite fighters like flies.
Perhaps upgrading fighter hulls/shields a little might be a good idea.
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
EXACTLY. I fly the Jem Dread WITH the Attack Ship Pets on Fed Side...on my Vulcan Engineer Sarek....and while the Ship Performs outstandingly (outperforming most other ships including the Jupiter) i HATE the Fact that a Federation Vulcan flys...a Dominion Ship O_o and for this Character i wanted the Jupiter, KNOWING that technicaly it would be a MAJOR Downgrade in "MOAR TAC" and "PEW PEW" (to quote some people saying all i want is moar tac bla bla)
But it would be OK, at least i would not get eye cancer seing my Fed Vulcan flying an Alien Ship....but this thing....its WAY to Restricted to Justify pulling my char out of them Jem into this thing....and this Hurts because this could be such a Fine Ship, with just a smidgin more Flexibility (LtComUni) but of course dont we dare asking for such a thing, or else we will be shoot to death by the self rightous Defenders of Grayskull errr i mean Cryptic
So like I said...you want another generic piece of Tac junk...stop trying to turn one of the few Sci ships into a Tac variant...you keep bringing up selfish...well you're the very definition of selfish.
Just stop...stop...with any BS you're claiming in the name of diversity when all you want is a Tac heavy ship...you want a Tac Carrier go play the T6 Akira. The ship has enough Tac to slot FaW, APB, TT, and a Kemo...if you need more than that it's not the ships fault it's yours.
So how about instead of trying to turn the first Sci ship released in a year that doesn't cost almost a billion EC into the millionth Tac ship you go learn to play?
the problem is people want this one, but its not geared towards their particular desires and of course, that just won't do.
*rolls eyes*
You can skip the Romulan ships. :P More Klingon ships would be awesome!
I'm sitting wondering why does everyone think this goose is a duck but please keep telling me, your fellow players, and better yet Cryptic how you know what ship they was better than them. I know what I can say I'm thankful for today.
"stop trying to turn one of the few Sci ships into a Tac variant"...again? the same TRIBBLE?....dude what kind of Major Braindamage one must have to repeat the same stuff again and again and again and 5000x more again, when it was allready said TIME AFTER TIME that ITS NOT the case? What Language you need it to be explained in so that even you can understand it? Certainly not English seing that you still repeat the same BS.
Every Piece of your answer shows me that you have not read anything that i wrote, or if so that you have not understand a single word.
The Character that i wanted this Ship for flys the Jem Hadar Dreadnought WITH the Attack Ship Pets, so i have an overload of PEW PEW and TAC, yet still you say this garbage that i want more Tac and Pew Pew, when its clear that i would sacrifice most of that Pew Pew only so i can Fly something that has a STARFLEET Design on it? *TRIPPLE FACEPALM*
Even changing the LtComEng to ta Uni would still be a Major Downgrade in Tac for me, BUT it would make it at least a smidgin less Devastating, you now what Smidging means? JUST A LITTLE, no ones asks for a Commander level Tac, 5 Tac Consoles or a Scimitar like 5/3 Weapons Layout, reading all your BS would makes one think exactly that......
So by your Flawed Logic Sellfish means: Someone who wants everyone to be able to utilize something EQUALLY
BUT, someone who wants ONLY a Portiona of People to be able to use that "something" is not Sellfish?.....
You need help man...serious help, with your logic, half the Humanity would Starve to death, while the others are swimming in Wine.....
So YOU STOP Repeating the same, far from any logic, nonsense arguments, because it really gets so badly pathetic (if it can even get worse than it is allready)
you also didnt read anything at all, or else you would know WHY those people would like to fly this Particular Ship, and not ANY other Ship......*Facepalming while Eyes Rolling*
Exactly...
Which is the exact definition of selfish...a word someone keeps tossing around.
So what happens if it gets a Tac Lt Cmdr? Then people are going to complain it doesn't have a Tac Cmdr so they can't use APO III and FaW III...why? Because even T5 Carriers have a Cmdr Tac...then what next? It's not fair the Sarr Theln has 4 Tac consoles and the Jupiter doesn't...next? It's not fair the ship can't compete with the Vonph...it needs a 4th weapon slot...then people will whine that it doesn't have Command and Intel like the Vonph...ect ect ect.
Pretty much.
I remember back in the day when the kitty carrier was released. There was a lot "We want a Starfleet carrier!", "At least give it a Starfleet skin.", and "We don't want to fly the blue donger"
They pretty much upgraded the kitty carrier, gave some very nice pets (don't even need to release a new carrier Cryptic, just toss some BoP flavored versions of those bad boys KDFside please), and gave it a skin chosen by the playerbase.
There is an old saying about inches and miles I can't remember right now.
::: shrugs ... Some like TAC ... others like ENG ... and still others like SCI.
The uni LTCMDR would take care of that as would a three pack. And there is nothing wrong with having options.
As FEDs like to say ... IDIC.
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Exactly. Because greed is a thing that exists. You give em something, they'll just want more and more and basically never be satisfied. I'm sure, like beyond a doubt that the devs knew these wep/console and boff layouts would not please everyone.
Because you can't please everyone, because someone or some people will ALWAYS find something to complain about. Trying to please everyone is a foolish endeavor. And just because in this particular instance they decided, okay lets not cater to tac this time, everyone freaks out. Which is proof of how spoiled tacs have been now for a while. They can't accept that once in a blue moom, they are not the priority or target audience of ONE ship. JFC.
I can't wait to fly this ship and bring it into stf's and actually have some fun while others play a game that makes them miserable lol
In principle I agree with you. but I also respect the devs. And respect that they will make decisions that we won't all love because that right there is life.
but think, if there was a 3 pack, everyone would fly tac. the other two would be there for what reason? They wanted this to be a sci oriented ship. There is nothing wrong with that. Its very interesting and if people would apply the grey matter in their skulls for once maybe they could apply themselves to making a build that could be great, instead of stamping their feet and pouting.
And all this is pointless because we all know that after its released, the complaining will eventually stop and we'll all go on with our lives. Like we do whenever something happens in this game that people don't like.
This will all blow over just like the TRIBBLE storm about the T6 Defiant did.
Just curious... were you a douche from the point of conception, or did it take practice being this much of an a**?
Too much d*ck-waving in this thread.
/facepalm....
The federation already had a copy of Vo'Quv the Atrox.. so by your logic.. we should be getting a copy of the other KDF Carrier the Kar'Fi.... as we have already pointed out many times.. that we already have a sci based Carrier.
As others have pointed out they already stated.. the DEVS stated that from the start they were looking at this replacing a dreadnought class starship...
So more points to a 4/3 with a lttac then does a 3/3 sci carrier...
But I'm still waiting for someone to prove how the 3/3 breen carrier that had 4 tac consoles and a ltcmd tac that was free to almost 2million captains at the time imbalanced the game...
Different meta back then.. they were also asking for frigate pets as well if you remember...
This Jupiter is still not my favorite design but it's a good looking design in it's finished form and it will be a welcome change if it's to replace the old Jupiter model.
I would still like to see an option to change the engine pods and pylons, make them all the same size or swap them around to put the big ones on the bottom, that sort of thing.
As for the clamor about the remarks regarding the Federation lacking Science ships, well at Tier 6 that is true enough for Every faction so we can but hope they are working to address that, though it is true enough that the output of the ships designers of late have indeed been impressive, so only time will tell
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
in a thread full with douches and a**, who know only the me me me, iam certain that iam the least douche here, thank you very much.