Rep and Fleet Ground Weapons Suck

antiquesroadshow

Rep and Fleet Ground Weapons Suck. Don't waist you Dilithium on them. Everyone in high end ground DPS circles knows this. Crafted ground weapons are better in every way. Maybe this is a way for Criptic to get you to waste dilithium? They need to buff Rep and Fleet Ground Weapons. Crafted weapons are also ugly as heck with those holograms on them.

kjwashington

TR-116b with the Zephran Cochrine shotgun, or go home.

warpangel

Meh, I pick my ground weapons based on the appearance of the beams more often than their stats (except against Borg, then I use my boomstick because remodulation is a drag). I get the rep sets for the costume unlocks.

Game's easy.

gradii

Fleet ground weapons do not suck. Plus, crafted ground weapons often look horrible, making them worse by default.
Damage doesn't matter when it makes you look stupid doing it.

rattler2

My Elite Fleet Phaser Split Beam disagrees with the OP. It is a good lookin' endgame rifle that doesn't have the holographic bits.

Also... my Adapted Honor Guard Battle Rifle disagrees because it is a pretty good KDF Rep sniper rifle.

gradii

rattler2 wrote: »

My Elite Fleet Phaser Split Beam disagrees with the OP. It is a good lookin' endgame rifle that doesn't have the holographic bits.

Also... my Adapted Honor Guard Battle Rifle disagrees because it is a pretty good KDF Rep sniper rifle.

I think the point of the OP is, if it's not the #1 weapon in the game for raw dps, even by a tiny fraction of a percentage, it's trash and it should be removed from the game becuase it's worthless.

questerius

antiquesroadshow wrote: »

Rep and Fleet Ground Weapons Suck. Don't waist you Dilithium on them. Everyone in high end ground DPS circles knows this. Crafted ground weapons are better in every way. Maybe this is a way for Criptic to get you to waste dilithium? They need to buff Rep and Fleet Ground Weapons. Crafted weapons are also ugly as heck with those holograms on them.

It's a good thing they suck considering the carnage i am able to do with them now. If they were to be improved to the "good" or, god forbid, excellent level combat would become mind-numbing boring.

Then again, perhaps the same weapon in my hands is excellent while it is completely inadequate in the hands of the OP.

Remember that a weapon is only as good as the one who wields it.​​

risian4

No they don't. Reputation weapons are fine, both set weapons and the ones you can purchase from the reputation store. Especially the ones from the Romulan and Omega reputations.

And Fleet stores have some of the best Lirpa's available.

risian4

warpangel wrote: »

Meh, I pick my ground weapons based on the appearance of the beams more often than their stats (except against Borg, then I use my boomstick because remodulation is a drag). I get the rep sets for the costume unlocks.

Game's easy.

If you use the T3 Omega reputation ability, you shouldn't have to remodulate more than once or twice in one mission, with most weapon types that is.

lowy1

The only crafted weapon I use is the tr116b and that is on my engineer's tac Android. Other than that it is elachi disruptors on my eng with the shield and armor from counter command the 3 piece omega set on my tac main and then fleet armor and shield on my sci with type 2 Fed phaser pistol and type 3 rifle. Funny thing is is the type 3 with the nation burst is probably the most powerful of the weapons I use lol

rattler2

gradii wrote: »

rattler2 wrote: »

My Elite Fleet Phaser Split Beam disagrees with the OP. It is a good lookin' endgame rifle that doesn't have the holographic bits.

Also... my Adapted Honor Guard Battle Rifle disagrees because it is a pretty good KDF Rep sniper rifle.

I think the point of the OP is, if it's not the #1 weapon in the game for raw dps, even by a tiny fraction of a percentage, it's trash and it should be removed from the game becuase it's worthless.

Yea... you're probabaly right. TRIBBLE choices! Make everyone run the same thing! Antiproton Online! All Antiproton, all the time!

Attitudes like that drive me nuts.

davefenestrator

Hey, if you aren't a rom in a Scim with 5 x SRO, AP BFAW and $300 worth of lock box traits, YOU SUCK!!!!!!

Or perhaps OP is trolling.

cidjack

So this is a " Go high DPS or go home thread?"

duncanidaho11

rattler2 wrote: »

My Elite Fleet Phaser Split Beam disagrees with the OP. It is a good lookin' endgame rifle that doesn't have the holographic bits.

Also... my Adapted Honor Guard Battle Rifle disagrees because it is a pretty good KDF Rep sniper rifle.

My honor guard pulsewave, iconian resistance pulsewave, terran task for rifle, romulan plasma flamethrower, and dyson experimental rifle do too. Nukara rep equipment is pretty much the only wrong choice you can make and there it's just a question of midly sub-par armor for non-ev environments.

cidjack wrote: »

So this is a " Go high DPS or go home thread?"

I'd say its attempted but wildly inexperienced.

talonxv

I prefer the lobi weapons. Still rock the crystalline sword and voth AP minigun.

antiquesroadshow

I think most of you misunderstand me, ou your Devs in disguise. I'm not saying make uber-weapons that are all powerful. I'm saying bring the other weapons on par with the crafted ones. I think most of these responses are made by Criptic Devs with accounts trying to sabotage the truth.

jslyn

I like the Jedi Set (Nukara Shattering Harmonics). Low Defense, but high dodge rate and resists pretty everything.

Still, my favorite ground weapon is none. I like laying on the status effects, ignoring shields, and doing all the nifty martial arts combos. They really should make a Martial Arts Rep Set.

davefenestrator

Doesn't the counter-command armor add +20% physical? That should make your martial arts strikes hit harder.

ssbn655

If by suck you mean that before using the upgrades yeah maybe. But they are a damn good starting point. Plus with the stupid random proc for every time you craft a piece of gear upgrading a rep or fleet can be a damn site cheaper then the random roll of the dice crafting is.

jade1280

*waste

xyquarze

ssbn655 wrote: »

If by suck you mean that before using the upgrades yeah maybe. But they are a damn good starting point. Plus with the stupid random proc for every time you craft a piece of gear upgrading a rep or fleet can be a damn site cheaper then the random roll of the dice crafting is.

Well, that's probably the way it should be. If craftable items were guaranteed better than rep gear nobody would use the latter. If they were worse, nobody'd use the former. So you need a tradeoff. "Guaranteed decent" versus "maybe top, maybe not at all" would fill that.

duncanidaho11

antiquesroadshow wrote: »

I'm saying bring the other weapons on par with the crafted ones. I think most of these responses are made by Criptic Devs with accounts trying to sabotage the truth.

What truth? You seem to think there's more than one unique ground weapon (and also that the TR-118b is generally useful. It's a great situational tool but no more than that. Health mechanics and what that does to DPS aside, it is also a sniper rifle.) :P

To quote the Storm Trooper: move along.

duncanidaho11

xyquarze wrote: »

Well, that's probably the way it should be. If craftable items were guaranteed better than rep gear nobody would use the latter. If they were worse, nobody'd use the former. So you need a tradeoff. "Guaranteed decent" versus "maybe top, maybe not at all" would fill that.

Let me just put it this way. Yes, you could try to go for a [Dmg]x4 crafted split beam rifle, or you could go with a [Dmg]x4 Romulan Piercing beam rifle.

The trade-off argument is more appropriate to explain why reputation project weapons cost more than, say, the generic reskins you pull from the prize boxes. Forced mod choice is very well compensated for by, in a lot of cases, better primary/secondary attack options and set bonuses.) Crafting ground weapons is useful for leveling, but once at the end-game you do have better options in Lobi, Rep, and the plasma weapon vendors.

I wouldn't take the premise, as stated by the OP, at face value. :P

bunansa

antiquesroadshow wrote: »

I think most of you misunderstand me, ou your Devs in disguise. I'm not saying make uber-weapons that are all powerful. I'm saying bring the other weapons on par with the crafted ones. I think most of these responses are made by Criptic Devs with accounts trying to sabotage the truth.

I think it is a you and a you're in that first sentence, I could be wrong. Also, its Cryptic, not Criptic, and I only wish I were a developer to get some exploration back.
And I control the map ground wise with my gold level omega "p90" want to be.

velqua

Sounds like someone doesn't know how to upgrade or use their Rep gear and weapons. Rep gear and weapons tend to be for specific enemies. That being said, a ground player with good tactics and strategy can make even the subpar weapons deadly.

sennahcherib

Plus, crafted ground weapons often look horrible

indeed, the worst are the plasma and disruptor weapons. plasma weapons are nice at low level, but after MK X they are just ugly, same thing for the disruptor weapons. weapons with horns, really!!!!

I would like to craft the weapons, with the shapes of my taste.

I use rep weapons, Maco set (i like the sniper rifle), romulan pulsewave with the free ground set (used for my recruits, i'm too lazy to grind again the maco set or something else ), romulan weapons (from the vendors). the boffs of my old captains use a lot of stuff from the rep (dyson set, nukara set -for my andorian tac ground officer-, maco, omega etc), my ferengi eng boff uses the disruptor weapon from the delta rep. none of all these sets are upgraded. And I like all these pieces of equipment.

warpangel

risian4 wrote: »

warpangel wrote: »

Meh, I pick my ground weapons based on the appearance of the beams more often than their stats (except against Borg, then I use my boomstick because remodulation is a drag). I get the rep sets for the costume unlocks.

Game's easy.

If you use the T3 Omega reputation ability, you shouldn't have to remodulate more than once or twice in one mission, with most weapon types that is.

Which would still require me to equip a remodulator. Might as well equip the shotgun instead and not remodulate at all.

jaymclaughlin

Pretty much any weapon in the game can be viable.

I would say, however, that the scaling on all ground weapons needs to be looked at. The oversized nature of most of them is basically cartoonish.

xayss

undine wirts lancer from lobi store rock!!!!!!! i got that in all my toons, i only use the secondary weapon the pulsewave from maco or iconian reputation

warpangel

jaymclaughlin wrote: »

Pretty much any weapon in the game can be viable.

I would say, however, that the scaling on all ground weapons needs to be looked at. The oversized nature of most of them is basically cartoonish.

Play a Gorn or max-sized Alien and then call them "oversized."

svindal777

warpangel wrote: »

jaymclaughlin wrote: »

Pretty much any weapon in the game can be viable.

I would say, however, that the scaling on all ground weapons needs to be looked at. The oversized nature of most of them is basically cartoonish.

Play a Gorn or max-sized Alien and then call them "oversized."

Yup, even the new herald lobi staff is small in the hands of a big alien.