It’s never stated how the Ethereals maintain power but how ever it’s done it’s not full on mind control. Tau still have free will and control of their own lives. Its more they look up and trust the Ethereals like someone would trusts priest's.
I have to do a in-depth research on that, it's been a while. But it's definitely more than just trusting a priest. Tau are crazily dependant on the Ethereals, so much that (and that's actual fluff) the abscence of the Ethereals would let the Tau become savages again. And that's not only maintained by administrative or spiritual guidance, there's more to that. An Ethereals presence on a planet is sensed by all Tau and the loss of one leads to complete chaos.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
“Anyhow, while the Tau may technologically be very advanced, the Eldar tech is still a quantum leap ahead of them,”
Not sure it is anymore, ok it is in a few areas like the gateways and warp tech the Elder are more advanced but just as many areas the Tau seem to have caught up or even overtaken the Elder. But anyway the Eldar and Tau are not a threat to each other.
“Necron whose ancient tech is also still more advanced than any pulse rifle or stealth suit.
Not anymore the Tau received a revamp in 2013 and became a Tier 1 army plus a new updated came out yesterday making them even more deadly and advanced. I used to have my Firewarrior squad shoot 4 shots per model with +1bs and ignore cover far more deadly than Necron troops. Pulse weapons have advanced as well with new ones like Pulse Blaster which do more damage the closer the target get to you. Pulse Blaster can reach Assault 2, S6, AP3 at point blank. Burst Cannons are now 4 pulse shots per weapon.
“And Tau numbers are still small compared to the other races. Not only for game balance but also canonically no power in the 40k verse could even dream of dominating or winning as the most advanced tech will in the end succumb to sheer, relentless numbers or literal immortal dangers. And what the chaos gods themselves bring to the battle can't be meassured in technology either.”
The thing is the only threat to the Tau was the imperium. The imperium had trouble getting though the Damocles Gulf with the psychic beacon. Now the Astronomican psychic beacon has shrank so much the core Tau Empire is outside the reach of the imperium and safe from invasion. What’s effetely happening is the imperium is shrinking on the Eastern side of the Galaxy while the Tau are expending as the imperium is abandoning to worlds as they fall outside the Astronomican psychic beacon.
Personably I don’t believe the Chaos gods are a threat as the Tau are practically immune to them. Tau have no psychics for the Chaos gods to infiltrate and it’s been said the Tau themselves are almost invisible in the warp. Also the Tau don't enter the warp either so no exposure there. Tau don’t seem to suffer from all the corruption and internal problems the Chaos gods like to cause. In the Firewarrior story the Chaos gods did try to corrupt them but failed. What’s worse is as the imperium shrinks and Tau Empire expends the Chaos gods are getting weaker. The Tau Empire doesn’t have the emotional turmoil the Chaos gods feed off. Orks are the same the emotional turmoil from them goes to the Ork gods. Necrons don’t give off anything into the warp and the Elder are to small, so as the imperium shrinks so does the Chaos gods power base. Chaos don’t want to win they want the constant war the worst thing that could happen for them is to win or for the imperium to shrink to much.
That leaves the old style Necrons which would have been a threat to the Tau but the Necrons got retconned and changed to make them more interesting, but this changed means they are not longer the threat they used to be. The new ones are all splintered into factions. Tau don’t seem to struggle with the Tyranids either by the story’s. Who is there to stop the steady expansion?
Anyway The Tau wont win because it would ruin the game balance and destroy the universe. But in my mind long team Tau stand the best chance of wining, but even that would take 1000's of years.
EDIT: Another reason to vote Tau. Just think of the cool gaming systems and VR systems they would have for entrainment. No one has AI’s as advanced as them not even the Elder.
I seem to remember one of the novels hinting(or something) that the Emperor was a counterpart of the Chaos Gods and that the Chaos Gods were somehow linked to him.
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I heard the opposite from a friend. If the Emperor goes, things will get worse. It would be like what happened to the Eldar gods when they fell. A new Chaos God may rise out of it. In fact its possible that the Eldar fear that possibility because, unfortunately for the non humans in the galaxy, the Imperium has been on the front lines against the forces of Chaos and, due to its size, has been one of the more successful forces fighting Chaos. If the Imperium falls without another faction to step in, Chaos will spread unchecked across not only the Imperium, but most of the galaxy. Not to mention the Tyranid Hive Fleets.
The Eldar, while powerful in their own right, are nowhere near as strong in numbers as the Imperium.
The Orks could care less who wins as long as they get a good fight.
The Necron probably don't care as long as they reclaim what was once theirs.
The Tau are still developing into a large scale superpower.
The only way I can think of to weaken the Chaos Gods might be to free the captive Eldar Goddess that Nergal is holding. Unless that's changed recently.
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I heard the opposite from a friend. If the Emperor goes, things will get worse. It would be like what happened to the Eldar gods when they fell. A new Chaos God may rise out of it. In fact its possible that the Eldar fear that possibility because, unfortunately for the non humans in the galaxy, the Imperium has been on the front lines against the forces of Chaos and, due to its size, has been one of the more successful forces fighting Chaos. If the Imperium falls without another faction to step in, Chaos will spread unchecked across not only the Imperium, but most of the galaxy. Not to mention the Tyranid Hive Fleets.
The Eldar, while powerful in their own right, are nowhere near as strong in numbers as the Imperium.
The Orks could care less who wins as long as they get a good fight.
The Necron probably don't care as long as they reclaim what was once theirs.
The Tau are still developing into a large scale superpower.
The only way I can think of to weaken the Chaos Gods might be to free the captive Eldar Goddess that Nergal is holding. Unless that's changed recently.
As of this week with the new expansion I think the Tau are a superpower nowm, not on the level of the Imperium but no longer small. They even now have titan class walkers.
Last I heard Chaos was so heavily invested in the Imperium that if the Imperium dies Chaos die. There is a storyline about how some powerful factions want the Imperium to fall taking down Chaos with it.
I'm pretty sure the Necrons just want to kill everything....
The book may have meant something other than what I thought it did, admittedly I read it a long time ago and didn't know much about Warhammer. It may have been comparing their powers.
I'm pretty sure the Necrons just want to kill everything....
The book may have meant something other than what I thought it did, admittedly I read it a long time ago and didn't know much about Warhammer. It may have been comparing their powers.
That's the old Necrons. The new Necrons had a major rewrite with some very large areas of the story changed. Even the Ctan "gods" star eater bits got changed.
I'm pretty sure the Necrons just want to kill everything....
The book may have meant something other than what I thought it did, admittedly I read it a long time ago and didn't know much about Warhammer. It may have been comparing their powers.
As @pottsey5g said, those were the original Necron. To quell all the noise and troubles of life the Necron just wants to end life itself so there can be silence again. Aparently, though, Games Workshop pulled a "Borg Queen" on the Necron and now has them fight each other in splinter groups with political goals and individual strife for power and nonsense like that. People are rather good in ruining their works it seems.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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I'm pretty sure the Necrons just want to kill everything....
The book may have meant something other than what I thought it did, admittedly I read it a long time ago and didn't know much about Warhammer. It may have been comparing their powers.
As @pottsey5g said, those were the original Necron. To quell all the noise and troubles of life the Necron just wants to end life itself so there can be silence again. Aparently, though, Games Workshop pulled a "Borg Queen" on the Necron and now has them fight each other in splinter groups with political goals and individual strife for power and nonsense like that. People are rather good in ruining their works it seems.
I dunno, sure most Necrons were dumb automatons, but the Necron leaders were never depicted as automatons.
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I admit I lean more towards Eldar based on my DoW experience. Human factions in 40k tend to be xenophobic, religious human supremisists. Even in the face of a common enemy its "kill all Xenos! Even the ones fighting the bigger threat!"
Granted there were a few instances where they were willing to put asside differences. But those are few and far between. And even then... if its for the greater good of the planet, region, or whole galaxy, those that choose to fight the greater evil tend to get punished for siding with "foul Xenos".
While I admit sometime the Eldar have a rather high and mighty attitude, and do some dirty tricks, out of all the races in 40k they tend to be the most level headed, with the Tau a close second.
I will also admit playing Orks in DoW is a riot. DAKKA DAKKA!
The Imperium of Man has good reason to despise and distrust xenos. And the Eldar are a big part of why that is.
Sometime around the 25th Millennium, the Eldar Empire began to fall into corruption and decadence. This led to the gestation of Slaanesh. This gestation period was marked by an increase in violent Warp storms, and an increase in the instances of psykers among Humanity.
Mankind's galactic federation was already reeling from the recent war with the "Men of Iron" (A.I. that, for some reason, turned against Humanity). The Warp storms made Warp travel dangerous, if not outright impossible. Mankind's great interstellar civilization, which was dependent on the Warp for trade and communication, came crashing down. Earth's solar system itself was cut off from the outside galaxy, and descended into anarchy and civil strife.
The increasing instances of psykers during this time was also another nail in the coffin. Inexperienced psykers are all too vulnerable to daemonic possession, and can cause untold horrors. Which is what happened on many civilized worlds in Man's galactic federation that were lax and overly tolerant toward psykers (other than Navigators) before all hell broke loose. Only those worlds that ruthlessly suppressed psykers, or had strict regulations on them, escaped the horrors of the Warp ravaging their planets.
This was the end of the Dark Age of Technology, and the beginning of the Age of Strife. Mankind's achievements, which rivaled the Eldar (and possible the slumbering Necrons) at their height, was eradicated all because the Eldar got bored and decided to start murderfucking one another.
During the Age of Strife, a number of Human worlds, many of whom regressed back into savagery, came under the horrific domination of cruel xeno overlords and slave masters.
The Master of Mankind witnessed all of this, and came to the conclusion that the xeno cannot be trusted, and is a threat to Mankind's true destiny. When the Warp storms ended around the 30th Millennium, with the birth of the Prince of Pleasure, and the fall of the Eldar, the Emperor launched the Great Crusade to reunify Man across the stars, as He did on Holy Terra during the Unification Wars against the Techno-barbarian nations of Earth. During the Great Crusade, any xenos culture that even remotely posed a threat to Mankind, whether at that time or possibly in the future, was ruthlessly purged. Not because of simple, old fashioned Human intolerance, but because of past experiences. The alien was abhorred by Man for good reason.
The Imperium of the 41st Millennium tends to practice realpolitik when it comes to the more reasonable xenos. The Tau make a nice little buffer state against any hostiles coming in from the Eastern Fringe. The Eldar have a mutual enemy with the Imperium in the Ruinous Powers. But Mankind's past experiences with the alien, combined with the fact that most of the major xenos players are TRIBBLE themselves, keeps Human xenophobia alive and strong.
I admit I lean more towards Eldar based on my DoW experience. Human factions in 40k tend to be xenophobic, religious human supremisists. Even in the face of a common enemy its "kill all Xenos! Even the ones fighting the bigger threat!"
Granted there were a few instances where they were willing to put asside differences. But those are few and far between. And even then... if its for the greater good of the planet, region, or whole galaxy, those that choose to fight the greater evil tend to get punished for siding with "foul Xenos".
While I admit sometime the Eldar have a rather high and mighty attitude, and do some dirty tricks, out of all the races in 40k they tend to be the most level headed, with the Tau a close second.
I will also admit playing Orks in DoW is a riot. DAKKA DAKKA!
The Imperium of Man has good reason to despise and distrust xenos. And the Eldar are a big part of why that is.
Sometime around the 25th Millennium, the Eldar Empire began to fall into corruption and decadence. This led to the gestation of Slaanesh. This gestation period was marked by an increase in violent Warp storms, and an increase in the instances of psykers among Humanity.
Mankind's galactic federation was already reeling from the recent war with the "Men of Iron" (A.I. that, for some reason, turned against Humanity). The Warp storms made Warp travel dangerous, if not outright impossible. Mankind's great interstellar civilization, which was dependent on the Warp for trade and communication, came crashing down. Earth's solar system itself was cut off from the outside galaxy, and descended into anarchy and civil strife.
The increasing instances of psykers during this time was also another nail in the coffin. Inexperienced psykers are all too vulnerable to daemonic possession, and can cause untold horrors. Which is what happened on many civilized worlds in Man's galactic federation that were lax and overly tolerant toward psykers (other than Navigators) before all hell broke loose. Only those worlds that ruthlessly suppressed psykers, or had strict regulations on them, escaped the horrors of the Warp ravaging their planets.
This was the end of the Dark Age of Technology, and the beginning of the Age of Strife. Mankind's achievements, which rivaled the Eldar (and possible the slumbering Necrons) at their height, was eradicated all because the Eldar got bored and decided to start murderfucking one another.
During the Age of Strife, a number of Human worlds, many of whom regressed back into savagery, came under the horrific domination of cruel xeno overlords and slave masters.
The Master of Mankind witnessed all of this, and came to the conclusion that the xeno cannot be trusted, and is a threat to Mankind's true destiny. When the Warp storms ended around the 30th Millennium, with the birth of the Prince of Pleasure, and the fall of the Eldar, the Emperor launched the Great Crusade to reunify Man across the stars, as He did on Holy Terra during the Unification Wars against the Techno-barbarian nations of Earth. During the Great Crusade, any xenos culture that even remotely posed a threat to Mankind, whether at that time or possibly in the future, was ruthlessly purged. Not because of simple, old fashioned Human intolerance, but because of past experiences. The alien was abhorred by Man for good reason.
The Imperium of the 41st Millennium tends to practice realpolitik when it comes to the more reasonable xenos. The Tau make a nice little buffer state against any hostiles coming in from the Eastern Fringe. The Eldar have a mutual enemy with the Imperium in the Ruinous Powers. But Mankind's past experiences with the alien, combined with the fact that most of the major xenos players are TRIBBLE themselves, keeps Human xenophobia alive and strong.
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"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
I seem to remember one of the novels hinting(or something) that the Emperor was a counterpart of the Chaos Gods and that the Chaos Gods were somehow linked to him.
I keep thinking about this, and.... I still don't remember who said it, but I did remember that in one of the stories one of the main characters was a daemonette of Slaanesh. So it could be something that was meant to be an obvious lie in universe.
Oh and the Imperium was a lot nicer before the Horus Heresy. Which seems to be the entire point of that. The Chaos Gods were afraid of what the Emperor might be able to do if his Primarchs continued their conquests.
The Imperium of Man has good reason to despise and distrust xenos. And the Eldar are a big part of why that is.
Sometime around the 25th Millennium, the Eldar Empire began to fall into corruption and decadence. This led to the gestation of Slaanesh. This gestation period was marked by an increase in violent Warp storms, and an increase in the instances of psykers among Humanity.
Mankind's galactic federation was already reeling from the recent war with the "Men of Iron" (A.I. that, for some reason, turned against Humanity). The Warp storms made Warp travel dangerous, if not outright impossible. Mankind's great interstellar civilization, which was dependent on the Warp for trade and communication, came crashing down. Earth's solar system itself was cut off from the outside galaxy, and descended into anarchy and civil strife.
The increasing instances of psykers during this time was also another nail in the coffin. Inexperienced psykers are all too vulnerable to daemonic possession, and can cause untold horrors. Which is what happened on many civilized worlds in Man's galactic federation that were lax and overly tolerant toward psykers (other than Navigators) before all hell broke loose. Only those worlds that ruthlessly suppressed psykers, or had strict regulations on them, escaped the horrors of the Warp ravaging their planets.
This was the end of the Dark Age of Technology, and the beginning of the Age of Strife. Mankind's achievements, which rivaled the Eldar (and possible the slumbering Necrons) at their height, was eradicated all because the Eldar got bored and decided to start murderfucking one another.
During the Age of Strife, a number of Human worlds, many of whom regressed back into savagery, came under the horrific domination of cruel xeno overlords and slave masters.
The Master of Mankind witnessed all of this, and came to the conclusion that the xeno cannot be trusted, and is a threat to Mankind's true destiny. When the Warp storms ended around the 30th Millennium, with the birth of the Prince of Pleasure, and the fall of the Eldar, the Emperor launched the Great Crusade to reunify Man across the stars, as He did on Holy Terra during the Unification Wars against the Techno-barbarian nations of Earth. During the Great Crusade, any xenos culture that even remotely posed a threat to Mankind, whether at that time or possibly in the future, was ruthlessly purged. Not because of simple, old fashioned Human intolerance, but because of past experiences. The alien was abhorred by Man for good reason.
The Imperium of the 41st Millennium tends to practice realpolitik when it comes to the more reasonable xenos. The Tau make a nice little buffer state against any hostiles coming in from the Eastern Fringe. The Eldar have a mutual enemy with the Imperium in the Ruinous Powers. But Mankind's past experiences with the alien, combined with the fact that most of the major xenos players are TRIBBLE themselves, keeps Human xenophobia alive and strong.
Thought for the Day: The Emperor Protects.
I think I read somewhere on the wiki that the distrust of the Eldar actually started because of an incident when they first met. A Diplomatic meeting... but it was undermined by someone on the Imperium team actually being loyal to Chaos. Since then, while they distrust each other... sometimes they do work together against Chaos.
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The Imperium of Man has good reason to despise and distrust xenos. And the Eldar are a big part of why that is.
Sometime around the 25th Millennium, the Eldar Empire began to fall into corruption and decadence. This led to the gestation of Slaanesh. This gestation period was marked by an increase in violent Warp storms, and an increase in the instances of psykers among Humanity.
Mankind's galactic federation was already reeling from the recent war with the "Men of Iron" (A.I. that, for some reason, turned against Humanity). The Warp storms made Warp travel dangerous, if not outright impossible. Mankind's great interstellar civilization, which was dependent on the Warp for trade and communication, came crashing down. Earth's solar system itself was cut off from the outside galaxy, and descended into anarchy and civil strife.
The increasing instances of psykers during this time was also another nail in the coffin. Inexperienced psykers are all too vulnerable to daemonic possession, and can cause untold horrors. Which is what happened on many civilized worlds in Man's galactic federation that were lax and overly tolerant toward psykers (other than Navigators) before all hell broke loose. Only those worlds that ruthlessly suppressed psykers, or had strict regulations on them, escaped the horrors of the Warp ravaging their planets.
This was the end of the Dark Age of Technology, and the beginning of the Age of Strife. Mankind's achievements, which rivaled the Eldar (and possible the slumbering Necrons) at their height, was eradicated all because the Eldar got bored and decided to start murderfucking one another.
During the Age of Strife, a number of Human worlds, many of whom regressed back into savagery, came under the horrific domination of cruel xeno overlords and slave masters.
The Master of Mankind witnessed all of this, and came to the conclusion that the xeno cannot be trusted, and is a threat to Mankind's true destiny. When the Warp storms ended around the 30th Millennium, with the birth of the Prince of Pleasure, and the fall of the Eldar, the Emperor launched the Great Crusade to reunify Man across the stars, as He did on Holy Terra during the Unification Wars against the Techno-barbarian nations of Earth. During the Great Crusade, any xenos culture that even remotely posed a threat to Mankind, whether at that time or possibly in the future, was ruthlessly purged. Not because of simple, old fashioned Human intolerance, but because of past experiences. The alien was abhorred by Man for good reason.
The Imperium of the 41st Millennium tends to practice realpolitik when it comes to the more reasonable xenos. The Tau make a nice little buffer state against any hostiles coming in from the Eastern Fringe. The Eldar have a mutual enemy with the Imperium in the Ruinous Powers. But Mankind's past experiences with the alien, combined with the fact that most of the major xenos players are TRIBBLE themselves, keeps Human xenophobia alive and strong.
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I think I read somewhere on the wiki that the distrust of the Eldar actually started because of an incident when they first met. A Diplomatic meeting... but it was undermined by someone on the Imperium team actually being loyal to Chaos. Since then, while they distrust each other... sometimes they do work together against Chaos.
Mankind had dealings with the Eldar long before the rise of the Imperium. In fact, Mankind had non-aggression pacts with the Eldar, along with other xenos species, during the Dark Age of Technology.
The Emperor had no trust nor liking for the Eldar during the Great Crusade era because of what happened in the past. There were major clashes between the Craftworlders and Imperial Expeditionary Fleets, leading to the destruction of the Craftworlds Mor'rioh'i and Thuyela. And part of the Imperial Webway Project involved taking it for Mankind, and preparing for possible war with the Eldar to contest their monopoly on it's use.
The incident you refer to, the diplomatic meeting between the traitor Primarch Fulgrim and Farseer Eldrad Ulthran, only added fuel to the fire and probably destroyed any notion of true peace between the two races. Thus 10,000 years of near-open warfare between the two. But it goes much deeper than one meeting gone bad due to Chaos corruption.
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I really have to wonder what would have happened if the Imperium had created their own version of Psi-Corps to regulate Psys instead of trying to eradicate them.
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Oh they do... now, but apparently they didn't have them prior to the Horus Heresy. The question I have to ponder is what affect that would have had during that conflict.
Oh they do... now, but apparently they didn't have them prior to the Horus Heresy. The question I have to ponder is what affect that would have had during that conflict.
Things were tougher for psykers before the Heresy, with the Council of Nikaea and it's overly strict regulations. But the Imperium did make very limited use of them. The Adeptus Astra Telepathica was founded during this time for their training and testing. The only real difference between then, and the 41st Millennium, is that their League of Black Ships is more for recruiting and collecting tithes of psykers from the worlds of the Imperium, rather than hunting down and collecting rogue psykers.
Um... don't they have Psykers that are in the military or something? I know the Space Marines have them as... Librarians I believe...
The Imperial Guard have sanctioned psykers
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Um... don't they have Psykers that are in the military or something? I know the Space Marines have them as... Librarians I believe...
Some have Psykers in the Military and Elite Military which goes directly against the decree the god emperor made that all Psykers units are to be decommissioned and members not allowed to use the powers for anything no matter how small.
Some Militarys ignore that and illegally use Psyker’s still. Others don’t class their own “Psykers” as Psykers like the Space Wolfs who see the Priests as something different.
Some like the Imperial Guard have so called sanctioned psykers but they are more slaves being used as weapons and are very closely watched.
Um... don't they have Psykers that are in the military or something? I know the Space Marines have them as... Librarians I believe...
Some have Psykers in the Military and Elite Military which goes directly against the decree the god emperor made that all Psykers units are to be decommissioned and members not allowed to use the powers for anything no matter how small.
Some Militarys ignore that and illegally use Psyker’s still. Others don’t class their own “Psykers” as Psykers like the Space Wolfs who see the Priests as something different.
Some like the Imperial Guard have so called sanctioned psykers but they are more slaves being used as weapons and are very closely watched.
It's mentioned in the Imperial Guard campaign on dark crusade that the regimental commissars had the psykers executed after the battle for the chaos stronghold
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I have to do a in-depth research on that, it's been a while. But it's definitely more than just trusting a priest. Tau are crazily dependant on the Ethereals, so much that (and that's actual fluff) the abscence of the Ethereals would let the Tau become savages again. And that's not only maintained by administrative or spiritual guidance, there's more to that. An Ethereals presence on a planet is sensed by all Tau and the loss of one leads to complete chaos.
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The only way I can think of to weaken the Chaos Gods might be to free the captive Eldar Goddess that Nergal is holding. Unless that's changed recently.
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Last I heard Chaos was so heavily invested in the Imperium that if the Imperium dies Chaos die. There is a storyline about how some powerful factions want the Imperium to fall taking down Chaos with it.
The book may have meant something other than what I thought it did, admittedly I read it a long time ago and didn't know much about Warhammer. It may have been comparing their powers.
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That's the old Necrons. The new Necrons had a major rewrite with some very large areas of the story changed. Even the Ctan "gods" star eater bits got changed.
As @pottsey5g said, those were the original Necron. To quell all the noise and troubles of life the Necron just wants to end life itself so there can be silence again. Aparently, though, Games Workshop pulled a "Borg Queen" on the Necron and now has them fight each other in splinter groups with political goals and individual strife for power and nonsense like that. People are rather good in ruining their works it seems.
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The Imperium of Man has good reason to despise and distrust xenos. And the Eldar are a big part of why that is.
Sometime around the 25th Millennium, the Eldar Empire began to fall into corruption and decadence. This led to the gestation of Slaanesh. This gestation period was marked by an increase in violent Warp storms, and an increase in the instances of psykers among Humanity.
Mankind's galactic federation was already reeling from the recent war with the "Men of Iron" (A.I. that, for some reason, turned against Humanity). The Warp storms made Warp travel dangerous, if not outright impossible. Mankind's great interstellar civilization, which was dependent on the Warp for trade and communication, came crashing down. Earth's solar system itself was cut off from the outside galaxy, and descended into anarchy and civil strife.
The increasing instances of psykers during this time was also another nail in the coffin. Inexperienced psykers are all too vulnerable to daemonic possession, and can cause untold horrors. Which is what happened on many civilized worlds in Man's galactic federation that were lax and overly tolerant toward psykers (other than Navigators) before all hell broke loose. Only those worlds that ruthlessly suppressed psykers, or had strict regulations on them, escaped the horrors of the Warp ravaging their planets.
This was the end of the Dark Age of Technology, and the beginning of the Age of Strife. Mankind's achievements, which rivaled the Eldar (and possible the slumbering Necrons) at their height, was eradicated all because the Eldar got bored and decided to start murderfucking one another.
During the Age of Strife, a number of Human worlds, many of whom regressed back into savagery, came under the horrific domination of cruel xeno overlords and slave masters.
The Master of Mankind witnessed all of this, and came to the conclusion that the xeno cannot be trusted, and is a threat to Mankind's true destiny. When the Warp storms ended around the 30th Millennium, with the birth of the Prince of Pleasure, and the fall of the Eldar, the Emperor launched the Great Crusade to reunify Man across the stars, as He did on Holy Terra during the Unification Wars against the Techno-barbarian nations of Earth. During the Great Crusade, any xenos culture that even remotely posed a threat to Mankind, whether at that time or possibly in the future, was ruthlessly purged. Not because of simple, old fashioned Human intolerance, but because of past experiences. The alien was abhorred by Man for good reason.
The Imperium of the 41st Millennium tends to practice realpolitik when it comes to the more reasonable xenos. The Tau make a nice little buffer state against any hostiles coming in from the Eastern Fringe. The Eldar have a mutual enemy with the Imperium in the Ruinous Powers. But Mankind's past experiences with the alien, combined with the fact that most of the major xenos players are TRIBBLE themselves, keeps Human xenophobia alive and strong.
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Well said
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Oh and the Imperium was a lot nicer before the Horus Heresy. Which seems to be the entire point of that. The Chaos Gods were afraid of what the Emperor might be able to do if his Primarchs continued their conquests.
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I think I read somewhere on the wiki that the distrust of the Eldar actually started because of an incident when they first met. A Diplomatic meeting... but it was undermined by someone on the Imperium team actually being loyal to Chaos. Since then, while they distrust each other... sometimes they do work together against Chaos.
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ROFLMAO You sir win the thread.
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just sayin'
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Mankind had dealings with the Eldar long before the rise of the Imperium. In fact, Mankind had non-aggression pacts with the Eldar, along with other xenos species, during the Dark Age of Technology.
The Emperor had no trust nor liking for the Eldar during the Great Crusade era because of what happened in the past. There were major clashes between the Craftworlders and Imperial Expeditionary Fleets, leading to the destruction of the Craftworlds Mor'rioh'i and Thuyela. And part of the Imperial Webway Project involved taking it for Mankind, and preparing for possible war with the Eldar to contest their monopoly on it's use.
The incident you refer to, the diplomatic meeting between the traitor Primarch Fulgrim and Farseer Eldrad Ulthran, only added fuel to the fire and probably destroyed any notion of true peace between the two races. Thus 10,000 years of near-open warfare between the two. But it goes much deeper than one meeting gone bad due to Chaos corruption.
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Things were tougher for psykers before the Heresy, with the Council of Nikaea and it's overly strict regulations. But the Imperium did make very limited use of them. The Adeptus Astra Telepathica was founded during this time for their training and testing. The only real difference between then, and the 41st Millennium, is that their League of Black Ships is more for recruiting and collecting tithes of psykers from the worlds of the Imperium, rather than hunting down and collecting rogue psykers.
The Imperial Guard have sanctioned psykers
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Some Militarys ignore that and illegally use Psyker’s still. Others don’t class their own “Psykers” as Psykers like the Space Wolfs who see the Priests as something different.
Some like the Imperial Guard have so called sanctioned psykers but they are more slaves being used as weapons and are very closely watched.
It's mentioned in the Imperial Guard campaign on dark crusade that the regimental commissars had the psykers executed after the battle for the chaos stronghold
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius