Right now, If I were the Paramount Execs, I would be studying on how JJ Abrams is marketing the new Star Wars movie. Star Wars marketing was always very good, now its awesome.
Marketing? What marketing? We're hearing virturally squat about the new movie because Disney wants to keep that under wraps as much as possible. No clue as to what the plot will be. Unless you're talking about the merchandise.
Marketing is not telling you what the movie is about. Marketing is getting the merchandise out there. Think about this...on two separate occasions Star Wars created a feeding frenzy. Force Friday is when all the new movie toys and stuff came out and I am told it was at this point that Disney/Lucasfilm made back the production costs on this movie.
The second is when tickets went on sale. On that day ticket websites crashed because they weren't able to handle the sheer volume of ticket sales. On that day 95% of all ticket sales were for Star Wars. Currently the analysts are saying this movie will open around $600 million.
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Right now, If I were the Paramount Execs, I would be studying on how JJ Abrams is marketing the new Star Wars movie. Star Wars marketing was always very good, now its awesome.
Marketing? What marketing? We're hearing virturally squat about the new movie because Disney wants to keep that under wraps as much as possible. No clue as to what the plot will be. Unless you're talking about the merchandise.
Marketing is not telling you what the movie is about. Marketing is getting the merchandise out there. Think about this...on two separate occasions Star Wars created a feeding frenzy. Force Friday is when all the new movie toys and stuff came out and I am told it was at this point that Disney/Lucasfilm made back the production costs on this movie.
The second is when tickets went on sale. On that day ticket websites crashed because they weren't able to handle the sheer volume of ticket sales. On that day 95% of all ticket sales were for Star Wars. Currently the analysts are saying this movie will open around $600 million.
Good Lord, thanks for the warning on ticket sales. I'm going to have to wait like a MONTH for the theaters to be civilized at that rate. I do still intend to see it in the theater at some point though.
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Tickets were selling out for the first day in minutes.
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Right now, If I were the Paramount Execs, I would be studying on how JJ Abrams is marketing the new Star Wars movie. Star Wars marketing was always very good, now its awesome.
Marketing? What marketing? We're hearing virturally squat about the new movie because Disney wants to keep that under wraps as much as possible. No clue as to what the plot will be. Unless you're talking about the merchandise.
While we know very little about the movie itself, marketing and merchandising has been hyping the hell out of the movie.
Which is is how I prefer it, but I know that Hollywood sometimes deliberately and willfully spoils the core elements of a story because a significant part of the audience wants to be certain to know beforehand that the movie is about something they are interested in.
That explains the trailers for the latest Terminator movie, for example. The role of John Connor in that movie should have been a gigantic surprise...
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Right now, If I were the Paramount Execs, I would be studying on how JJ Abrams is marketing the new Star Wars movie. Star Wars marketing was always very good, now its awesome.
Marketing? What marketing? We're hearing virturally squat about the new movie because Disney wants to keep that under wraps as much as possible. No clue as to what the plot will be. Unless you're talking about the merchandise.
While we know very little about the movie itself, marketing and merchandising has been hyping the hell out of the movie.
Which is is how I prefer it, but I know that Hollywood sometimes deliberately and willfully spoils the core elements of a story because a significant part of the audience wants to be certain to know beforehand that the movie is about something they are interested in.
That explains the trailers for the latest Terminator movie, for example. The role of John Connor in that movie should have been a gigantic surprise...
That was a terrible decision from the Terminator people, however there is nothing wrong with the Star Trek 09 and Into Darkness trailers, it was very little fanfare from Paramount's part to get anyone really motivated to see the movie. Magazine articles in Star Trek The Magazine, Star Trek the Bug Game, and some hot wheels ships. In the last year, the new Star Wars movie got a new line of books for varying ages, a few games (mobile and pc) that were not terrible, Star Wars clothing, toys, toys, toys, and you cannot even go into a Walmart or a Target without getting Star Wars blasted onto you.
Right now, If I were the Paramount Execs, I would be studying on how JJ Abrams is marketing the new Star Wars movie. Star Wars marketing was always very good, now its awesome.
Marketing? What marketing? We're hearing virturally squat about the new movie because Disney wants to keep that under wraps as much as possible. No clue as to what the plot will be. Unless you're talking about the merchandise.
Marketing is not telling you what the movie is about. Marketing is getting the merchandise out there. Think about this...on two separate occasions Star Wars created a feeding frenzy. Force Friday is when all the new movie toys and stuff came out and I am told it was at this point that Disney/Lucasfilm made back the production costs on this movie.
The second is when tickets went on sale. On that day ticket websites crashed because they weren't able to handle the sheer volume of ticket sales. On that day 95% of all ticket sales were for Star Wars. Currently the analysts are saying this movie will open around $600 million.
Good Lord, thanks for the warning on ticket sales. I'm going to have to wait like a MONTH for the theaters to be civilized at that rate. I do still intend to see it in the theater at some point though.
The fun part of waiting to see a movie that will be widely viewed is trying not to hear or read about spoilers. On the internet, work, school, hanging out, etc.
Star Wars movies have always been big hits. Disney was very wise to buy out the franchise from George Lucas. It costed them dearly but these guys are smart in making their money.
Right now, If I were the Paramount Execs, I would be studying on how JJ Abrams is marketing the new Star Wars movie. Star Wars marketing was always very good, now its awesome.
Marketing? What marketing? We're hearing virturally squat about the new movie because Disney wants to keep that under wraps as much as possible. No clue as to what the plot will be. Unless you're talking about the merchandise.
While we know very little about the movie itself, marketing and merchandising has been hyping the hell out of the movie.
Which is is how I prefer it, but I know that Hollywood sometimes deliberately and willfully spoils the core elements of a story because a significant part of the audience wants to be certain to know beforehand that the movie is about something they are interested in.
That explains the trailers for the latest Terminator movie, for example. The role of John Connor in that movie should have been a gigantic surprise...
That was a terrible decision from the Terminator people, however there is nothing wrong with the Star Trek 09 and Into Darkness trailers, it was very little fanfare from Paramount's part to get anyone really motivated to see the movie. Magazine articles in Star Trek The Magazine, Star Trek the Bug Game, and some hot wheels ships. In the last year, the new Star Wars movie got a new line of books for varying ages, a few games (mobile and pc) that were not terrible, Star Wars clothing, toys, toys, toys, and you cannot even go into a Walmart or a Target without getting Star Wars blasted onto you.
Agreed. The problem with marketing Star Trek is that Paramount didn't try to make it an event. Everything about Star Wars has been an event. The first trailer was an event. The first day stuff went on sale was an event. The day tickets went on sale was an event. Paramount marketed the reboot movies to Star Trek fans. They need to reach people who aren't Trekkies
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what exactly do you mean by "lack of star trek games"? Wiki shows a list of over 80 Star Trek computer/video games created which doesn't include all of the non computer games which have been produced.
To me it isn't a matter of quantity but quality (consider how many Halo games have been made in comparison). Star Wars suffered the same issues for years and really still suffers in a lot of ways creating good games. When license holders get over their greed and make a dedicated effort to spend the time, money and foresight into making a really good game then things would change. But there has been no indication that companies like CBS are really interested in doing more than the bare minimum in terms of funding and innovation toward their games. I mean, how much is CBS investing in Cryptic's development costs? My guess would be it's a complete one way relationship where Cryptic is spending all the money and CBS is just taking percentages off the top. And historically movie studios aren't great at making video games. They just want the quickest profit they can get at the lowest cost.
EDIT: as a side i've been playing EVE a lot lately since the DDoS attacks on the servers prevented my from playing a while back and I have to say that the idea of open PvP, ship penalty, open space and exploration is a provocative one. It would be interesting to see what those kinds of a developers could bring to a Star Trek game (minus the outright total lawlessness). But as others have pointed out Trek has always been scripted, that's where it shines. It's difficult to script something in a video game that doesn't get stale quickly. Plus it puts way too much pressure on developers for open ended games such as STO to have to constantly be responsible for new scripts/stories. That's why the EVE concept is so interesting, let the players create the content - with some additional controls in place of course.
what exactly do you mean by "lack of star trek games"? Wiki shows a list of over 80 Star Trek computer/video games created which doesn't include all of the non computer games which have been produced.
To me it isn't a matter of quantity but quality (consider how many Halo games have been made in comparison). Star Wars suffered the same issues for years and really still suffers in a lot of ways creating good games. When license holders get over their greed and make a dedicated effort to spend the time, money and foresight into making a really good game then things would change. But there has been no indication that companies like CBS are really interested in doing more than the bare minimum in terms of funding and innovation toward their games. I mean, how much is CBS investing in Cryptic's development costs? My guess would be it's a complete one way relationship where Cryptic is spending all the money and CBS is just taking percentages off the top. And historically movie studios aren't great at making video games. They just want the quickest profit they can get at the lowest cost.
EDIT: as a side i've been playing EVE a lot lately since the DDoS attacks on the servers prevented my from playing a while back and I have to say that the idea of open PvP, ship penalty, open space and exploration is a provocative one. It would be interesting to see what those kinds of a developers could bring to a Star Trek game (minus the outright total lawlessness). But as others have pointed out Trek has always been scripted, that's where it shines. It's difficult to script something in a video game that doesn't get stale quickly. Plus it puts way too much pressure on developers for open ended games such as STO to have to constantly be responsible for new scripts/stories. That's why the EVE concept is so interesting, let the players create the content - with some additional controls in place of course.
True. I have a PS2 game which is kinda fun, but.... got old fast due to the low number of possibilities when playing. It had a very small galaxy map. It got boring REALLY fast.... I don't like games that feel... finished once I've played them a few times.
But full-bore sand box doesn't work for Star Trek since the universe already exists.
The fun part of waiting to see a movie that will be widely viewed is trying not to hear or read about spoilers. On the internet, work, school, hanging out, etc.
Star Wars movies have always been big hits. Disney was very wise to buy out the franchise from George Lucas. It costed them dearly but these guys are smart in making their money.
True. I was on another forum back in the day and some total jerk posted in their thread title right when Star Trek 2009 came out, something basically like this: "VULCAN GETS BLOWN UP," in big capital letters that showed up on the forum's main page where I couldn't possibly avoid it. I was very irritated about that.
I am hoping that here, people will create a "spoiler" thread for stuff.
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There is only one massive ST game (STO) because CBS doesnt want competition, also there are some older ST games that when modded are very fun (ST: Legacy for example). But Star Trek is not as popular as it once was, what we need is a new primetime TV show to go with the new enterprise crew, that brings in more fans, they will begin to watch shows like ST: Voyager and find out about STO and a larger playerbase will form, more games will be made because of the franchise becoming more popular. But as i sad before, there is only one ST MMORPG because CBS does not want competition, and i allready addresed the lack of games, so i think that settels it (it probably will not, so quote and respond to this with some counterpoinion)
There is only one massive ST game (STO) because CBS doesnt want competition, also there are some older ST games that when modded are very fun (ST: Legacy for example). But Star Trek is not as popular as it once was, what we need is a new primetime TV show to go with the new enterprise crew, that brings in more fans, they will begin to watch shows like ST: Voyager and find out about STO and a larger playerbase will form, more games will be made because of the franchise becoming more popular. But as i sad before, there is only one ST MMORPG because CBS does not want competition, and i allready addresed the lack of games, so i think that settels it (it probably will not, so quote and respond to this with some counterpoinion)
There is Star Trek Timelines and Alien Domain. Also a canned DS9 based game. I'm guessing CBS or Paramount is not willing to go poke someone to create a new game but they are willing to listen to ideas and maybe do something with them
There is only one massive ST game (STO) because CBS doesnt want competition, also there are some older ST games that when modded are very fun (ST: Legacy for example). But Star Trek is not as popular as it once was, what we need is a new primetime TV show to go with the new enterprise crew, that brings in more fans, they will begin to watch shows like ST: Voyager and find out about STO and a larger playerbase will form, more games will be made because of the franchise becoming more popular. But as i sad before, there is only one ST MMORPG because CBS does not want competition, and i allready addresed the lack of games, so i think that settels it (it probably will not, so quote and respond to this with some counterpoinion)
There is Star Trek Timelines and Alien Domain. Also a canned DS9 based game. I'm guessing CBS or Paramount is not willing to go poke someone to create a new game but they are willing to listen to ideas and maybe do something with them
Those games lack any type of depth and pure cash grabs just like Trexels. Infinite Space actually looked pretty good with a decent story that fits in Trek lore.
There is only one massive ST game (STO) because CBS doesnt want competition, also there are some older ST games that when modded are very fun (ST: Legacy for example). But Star Trek is not as popular as it once was, what we need is a new primetime TV show to go with the new enterprise crew, that brings in more fans, they will begin to watch shows like ST: Voyager and find out about STO and a larger playerbase will form, more games will be made because of the franchise becoming more popular. But as i sad before, there is only one ST MMORPG because CBS does not want competition, and i allready addresed the lack of games, so i think that settels it (it probably will not, so quote and respond to this with some counterpoinion)
There is Star Trek Timelines and Alien Domain. Also a canned DS9 based game. I'm guessing CBS or Paramount is not willing to go poke someone to create a new game but they are willing to listen to ideas and maybe do something with them
Those games lack any type of depth and pure cash grabs just like Trexels. Infinite Space actually looked pretty good with a decent story that fits in Trek lore.
I was definitely bummed when I heard that Infinite Space got canned.
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But full-bore sand box doesn't work for Star Trek since the universe already exists.
The universe exists but let's be honest here...Trek struggles with consistency and because it has historically lived on TV and hasn't found a regeneration mechanic like Dr. Who to stay alive that universe sometimes contributes to lack of content and quality. If JJ Trek made any statement at all it was that Trek had died and needed to reboot to spark interests again in new fans. but even that ultimately may be futile. I mean, what happens after the 3rd film? There is still no real talk of a show coming back on air, and who here thinks the cast from a Hollywood blockbuster would settle back for a TV dram run instead of furthering their movie careers?
Sand box may be exactly what a Star Trek game needs to create real stories between the interactions of real players. You maintain some of the hard and fast canon sure but let the "idea" of Trek be the genesis of the game not the plot points that were done in the past.
But full-bore sand box doesn't work for Star Trek since the universe already exists.
The universe exists but let's be honest here...Trek struggles with consistency and because it has historically lived on TV and hasn't found a regeneration mechanic like Dr. Who to stay alive that universe sometimes contributes to lack of content and quality. If JJ Trek made any statement at all it was that Trek had died and needed to reboot to spark interests again in new fans. but even that ultimately may be futile. I mean, what happens after the 3rd film? There is still no real talk of a show coming back on air, and who here thinks the cast from a Hollywood blockbuster would settle back for a TV dram run instead of furthering their movie careers?
Sand box may be exactly what a Star Trek game needs to create real stories between the interactions of real players. You maintain some of the hard and fast canon sure but let the "idea" of Trek be the genesis of the game not the plot points that were done in the past.
Ah, but that's my point, it's not full sandbox when you do things that way. I can definitely see how there would be room for player driven stories, and that's what the old diplomatic corps was about(not that it worked).
The idea was that players could vote, in game, and the votes would directly affect the game world. that definitely feels like a viable way to have a player driven story in a Star Trek game.
Why do you think there is such a lack of Star Trek games?
Over the years many good Star Trek games have been released, so I think you mean "lately". I'd say the biggest hurdle is probably licensing issues with Paramount/CBS.
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Marketing is not telling you what the movie is about. Marketing is getting the merchandise out there. Think about this...on two separate occasions Star Wars created a feeding frenzy. Force Friday is when all the new movie toys and stuff came out and I am told it was at this point that Disney/Lucasfilm made back the production costs on this movie.
The second is when tickets went on sale. On that day ticket websites crashed because they weren't able to handle the sheer volume of ticket sales. On that day 95% of all ticket sales were for Star Wars. Currently the analysts are saying this movie will open around $600 million.
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Good Lord, thanks for the warning on ticket sales. I'm going to have to wait like a MONTH for the theaters to be civilized at that rate. I do still intend to see it in the theater at some point though.
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
That explains the trailers for the latest Terminator movie, for example. The role of John Connor in that movie should have been a gigantic surprise...
That was a terrible decision from the Terminator people, however there is nothing wrong with the Star Trek 09 and Into Darkness trailers, it was very little fanfare from Paramount's part to get anyone really motivated to see the movie. Magazine articles in Star Trek The Magazine, Star Trek the Bug Game, and some hot wheels ships. In the last year, the new Star Wars movie got a new line of books for varying ages, a few games (mobile and pc) that were not terrible, Star Wars clothing, toys, toys, toys, and you cannot even go into a Walmart or a Target without getting Star Wars blasted onto you.
The fun part of waiting to see a movie that will be widely viewed is trying not to hear or read about spoilers. On the internet, work, school, hanging out, etc.
Star Wars movies have always been big hits. Disney was very wise to buy out the franchise from George Lucas. It costed them dearly but these guys are smart in making their money.
Agreed. The problem with marketing Star Trek is that Paramount didn't try to make it an event. Everything about Star Wars has been an event. The first trailer was an event. The first day stuff went on sale was an event. The day tickets went on sale was an event. Paramount marketed the reboot movies to Star Trek fans. They need to reach people who aren't Trekkies
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To me it isn't a matter of quantity but quality (consider how many Halo games have been made in comparison). Star Wars suffered the same issues for years and really still suffers in a lot of ways creating good games. When license holders get over their greed and make a dedicated effort to spend the time, money and foresight into making a really good game then things would change. But there has been no indication that companies like CBS are really interested in doing more than the bare minimum in terms of funding and innovation toward their games. I mean, how much is CBS investing in Cryptic's development costs? My guess would be it's a complete one way relationship where Cryptic is spending all the money and CBS is just taking percentages off the top. And historically movie studios aren't great at making video games. They just want the quickest profit they can get at the lowest cost.
EDIT: as a side i've been playing EVE a lot lately since the DDoS attacks on the servers prevented my from playing a while back and I have to say that the idea of open PvP, ship penalty, open space and exploration is a provocative one. It would be interesting to see what those kinds of a developers could bring to a Star Trek game (minus the outright total lawlessness). But as others have pointed out Trek has always been scripted, that's where it shines. It's difficult to script something in a video game that doesn't get stale quickly. Plus it puts way too much pressure on developers for open ended games such as STO to have to constantly be responsible for new scripts/stories. That's why the EVE concept is so interesting, let the players create the content - with some additional controls in place of course.
But full-bore sand box doesn't work for Star Trek since the universe already exists.
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True. I was on another forum back in the day and some total jerk posted in their thread title right when Star Trek 2009 came out, something basically like this: "VULCAN GETS BLOWN UP," in big capital letters that showed up on the forum's main page where I couldn't possibly avoid it. I was very irritated about that.
I am hoping that here, people will create a "spoiler" thread for stuff.
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There is Star Trek Timelines and Alien Domain. Also a canned DS9 based game. I'm guessing CBS or Paramount is not willing to go poke someone to create a new game but they are willing to listen to ideas and maybe do something with them
Those games lack any type of depth and pure cash grabs just like Trexels. Infinite Space actually looked pretty good with a decent story that fits in Trek lore.
I was definitely bummed when I heard that Infinite Space got canned.
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The universe exists but let's be honest here...Trek struggles with consistency and because it has historically lived on TV and hasn't found a regeneration mechanic like Dr. Who to stay alive that universe sometimes contributes to lack of content and quality. If JJ Trek made any statement at all it was that Trek had died and needed to reboot to spark interests again in new fans. but even that ultimately may be futile. I mean, what happens after the 3rd film? There is still no real talk of a show coming back on air, and who here thinks the cast from a Hollywood blockbuster would settle back for a TV dram run instead of furthering their movie careers?
Sand box may be exactly what a Star Trek game needs to create real stories between the interactions of real players. You maintain some of the hard and fast canon sure but let the "idea" of Trek be the genesis of the game not the plot points that were done in the past.
The idea was that players could vote, in game, and the votes would directly affect the game world. that definitely feels like a viable way to have a player driven story in a Star Trek game.
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The other reason would be lower demand due to: