Trek fans should read this..

natejam101

Jesse has some valid points in this article he wrote about STO and PWE

Enjoy.

http://www.reaxxion.com/6900/how-star-trek-online-is-boldly-ripping-off-its-players

sorceror01

While he may have points, they are all entirely up for debate. Nevermind the fact that he seems to be coming from a place of feeling like he's been personally affronted in all this. His personal bias heavily taints quite a bit of this article, so it's pretty impossible to get anything resembling objectivity from it.

I'm not saying I will defend every business decision that has come up in the last several years, far from it. I have my own fair share of nitpicks about them that are reminiscent or the same as the ones this guy brings to the table.

But I also understand that some good has come from some of these decisions, such as increased revenue leading to an increase in operating budget, leading to more steady development for the game.

anazonda

Old news... We all know this.

And really... The fact that he calls it "Zen store", just invalidates his article, because he did'n do his homework before writing the article (Look at my signature).

One thing is random players making this mistake, but a serious news article writer, should write correctly.

natejam101

i agree. I truly wish they would spend some of this money from lockboxes, etc to improving or fixing existing issues. Such as the severe graphics lag on most Delta maps and Romulus command. I myself and from what I read, many others with higher end systems seem to be dropping to sub 10 FPS levels on alot of these maps and this company refuses to acknowledge anything about it.

Game is unplayable in some spots and i have to skip content. I still enjoy playing, mostly for the story arcs, but that is about it. For end game type of MMO's I have a few others I enjoy quite often

happyhappyj0yj0y

Well, that was poorly written.

It also had a few minor inaccuracies.

It was mostly on-target, but it didn't actually say anything that wasn't blatantly obvious. There was no "big reveal" no "gotcha"... this was pretty much a "Here's what PWE and Cryptic are doing and I don't like it!" Which... is pretty understandable. It's also... kind of pointless. At least for people here, since pretty much anyone who might read it here isn't going to find anything they don't already know. The game has lockboxes and overpriced micro-transactions!? Not exactly a shocker.

hunteralpha84

Seems more like a personal rant rather than an unbiased article.

The game has become a lot more grindy than its earlier seasons. And the time gates are annoying as hell but T6 was the natural progression.

Not sure where he gets his pricing from though. The biggest spend I made was on a lifetime subscription years ago. Sure every other month I might spend £5 or £10 but I would never spend the £100s he's talking about.

Quite frankly if people are upset about the costs then they need to exercise some self control. You can get everything in game for free.

sorceror01

natejam101 wrote: »

i agree. I truly wish they would spend some of this money from lockboxes, etc to improving or fixing existing issues. Such as the severe graphics lag on most Delta maps and Romulus command. I myself and from what I read, many others with higher end systems seem to be dropping to sub 10 FPS levels on alot of these maps and this company refuses to acknowledge anything about it.

Game is unplayable in some spots and i have to skip content. I still enjoy playing, mostly for the story arcs, but that is about it. For end game type of MMO's I have a few others I enjoy quite often

Please note: the people who make content for the game, including stuff for the lockboxes, are not the same people who fix technical issues and glitches and bugs.

It's literally several different departments.

Things like content updates and bugfixes can be worked on simultaneously, because it's different departments of developers working on them.

As such, it is highly likely that some of the revenue generated by all the extraneous vanity items and whatnot is definitely going towards paying the people that fix technical issues.

anazonda

hunteralpha84 wrote: »

Not sure where he gets his pricing from though. The biggest spend I made was on a lifetime subscription years ago. Sure every other month I might spend £5 or £10 but I would never spend the £100s he's talking about.

Unfortunally, it's true... I had a guy in my fleet, whos wife found me on facebook, and asked me to help him leave STO, because he burned all their money on masterkeys twice in a row.

Turns out, all I had to do was ban him from the fleet, and he left, but his addiction cost him and his family dearly... And I know he is not the only one like that.

mustrumridcully0

He doesn't seem to tell us anything new.

You either arrange yourself with it or you don't, but I have some doubts that it's non-obvious.

And the "rip-off" presented by Tier 6 ships is nothing compared to the "rip-off" if the game went offline suddenly. Imagine not only that your ships are obsolete - you can never play them ever again. ALl that is left are some screenshots you managed to store away.

If getting people to buy a new stream of ships at the same pace at before to keep the servers running, I am really okay with that. And I prefer it to Cryptic suddenly, say, asking money for story content. The new Tier 6 wave of ship variants at least managed to give us extra customization options for our old ships, which I find has a big value of its own.

Also, while the setup with ships in the C-Store is unique to Star Trek Online, the basic principle that stuff gets obsolete isn't.
Imagine if in SWTOR you bought hypercrates to sell stuff for Credits so you could in turn buy or craft endgame gear, and Bioware adds another tier of gear. All the money you spend is now invested is now basically vendor trash.

The thing people have to realize that the F2P model might not be subscription based, but at a fundamental level it has the exact same role - cover the cost of running the game and leave a nice profit to the game developers, too. The costs and profits are basically measured quarterly and there is no ceiling to how much they accumulate over time -so of course however the game is financed also cannot have a ceiling - if the game is supposed to survive, there always need to be people spending money on it, and you might be one of those people spending money on it.
The only unique thing about F2P is that maybe you, personally, might be able to get out of it without spending money. But someone will.​​

xyquarze

natejam101 wrote: »

i agree. I truly wish they would spend some of this money from lockboxes, etc to improving or fixing existing issues. Such as the severe graphics lag on most Delta maps and Romulus command. I myself and from what I read, many others with higher end systems seem to be dropping to sub 10 FPS levels on alot of these maps and this company refuses to acknowledge anything about it.

This is not exactly about the article, but I used to have the very same problem on my old system. My new computer, despite not being more powerful than the old one, doesn't have it. Anyway, as a solution (there should be a better one) to increase frame rates, use the /renderscale command, e.g. /renderscale .5 (and set /renderscale 1 if you leave the maps). This will severely decrease quality of a lot of the graphics though.

xyquarze

Oh, and I put a lot of money in this game over the time. But when I compare it to the time I racked up, it's still cheaper per game hour than many a AAA game. So as long as I enjoy it, I have no qualms about it. Yes, the ships are ridiculously expensive when you think about it objectively, but so is many a gadget in your house and still you don't necessarily regret buying it. Or you do, in which case you should abstain from it for the future, that's okay as well.

natejam101

Well, I have spent alot of money on this game as well..maybe too much. Figure one new T6 ship will cost you 30 dollars. I only spend what i know I can afford. They come out with new ships and gamble boxes all the time, all i am asking is that they spend some of this money and time on fixing lasting game hindering issues instead of keeping the flow of greed going and ignoring other issues.

sorceror01

natejam101 wrote: »

Well, I have spent alot of money on this game as well..maybe too much. Figure one new T6 ship will cost you 30 dollars. I only spend what i know I can afford. They come out with new ships and gamble boxes all the time, all i am asking is that they spend some of this money and time on fixing lasting game hindering issues instead of keeping the flow of greed going and ignoring other issues.

Did you not see the post I made earlier?

They are constantly fixing bugs, and also constantly developing new things/content, because:

The people who make ships and items and interiors and missions are not the same people who do technical repairs and maintenance.

They can afford to do all those things simultaneously because it's different departments.

And honestly, bugs and glitches get fixed at a good enough clip in this game. Different issues require different lengths of time to address, but we see a lot of "fixes" in patch notes often enough when they get thrown up.

bobbydazlers

this article just smacks of someone who doesn't know how to play the system for the best benefits for the least expenditure.

the first thing he brings up lockboxes are a prime example I have opened many lockboxes and it didn't cost me a penny of real world money.
although I will admit that I was never lucky enough to get a ship from them I will also say that I found the items within to be very useful and overall would have cost me around the same amount of zen as if I had bought them on the store directly.

secondly I will address the $5 upgrade cost of tier 5 ships, there is a simple answer here, don't upgrade them.
there are many tier 5 ships in the game that could be upgraded for free if players were sensible enough to get the from the events on top of this if I had any need to upgrade tier 5 ships I would use the same method I used to buy keys so it would not cost me any real money.

lastly I will address ships and ship bundles, here again there is no need to spend any real money, personally I have bought the Dyson mega pack for 10,000zen and the T6 Delta Rising Operations Pack for 12,500zen but yet again did not have to spend any real life money.

all of these things I got by playing the game and selling Dilithium in exchange for zen.
before you ask, no I don't spend all day playing the game, just a couple or few hours and sometime a couple more at weekends if I have the time but the most important thing is playing the events like Crystalline and Mirror and not just for the 50k main prize but also for the bonus days.
most other days I rarely get anywhere close to the 8k refining cap but by saving the Dilithium I do get I am able to play the system and get the things I want with the least real world expense.
finally I don't buy into that time is money or your working to earn it argument because for me this is all just fun and if I was not playing sto I would be having to find my fun elsewhere and that might indeed cost me real world money.

maybe you think I would have no Dilithium for anything else but there again you would be wrong, I have bought items from the reputation stores, upgraded 12 ships of gear and 15 ground sets of gear to MK14 with Dilithium as well as donating tons of the stuff to my fleets.

all of this I have done for the most part with just 3 main characters and just recently with the added aid of 3 farming Delta alts.

bioixi

Unsurprisingly accurate.

teknesia

bobbydazlers wrote: »

this article just smacks of someone who doesn't know how to play the system for the best benefits for the least expenditure.

the first thing he brings up lockboxes are a prime example I have opened many lockboxes and it didn't cost me a penny of real world money.
although I will admit that I was never lucky enough to get a ship from them I will also say that I found the items within to be very useful and overall would have cost me around the same amount of zen as if I had bought them on the store directly.

secondly I will address the $5 upgrade cost of tier 5 ships, there is a simple answer here, don't upgrade them.
there are many tier 5 ships in the game that could be upgraded for free if players were sensible enough to get the from the events on top of this if I had any need to upgrade tier 5 ships I would use the same method I used to buy keys so it would not cost me any real money.

lastly I will address ships and ship bundles, here again there is no need to spend any real money, personally I have bought the Dyson mega pack for 10,000zen and the T6 Delta Rising Operations Pack for 12,500zen but yet again did not have to spend any real life money.

all of these things I got by playing the game and selling Dilithium in exchange for zen.
before you ask, no I don't spend all day playing the game, just a couple or few hours and sometime a couple more at weekends if I have the time but the most important thing is playing the events like Crystalline and Mirror and not just for the 50k main prize but also for the bonus days.
most other days I rarely get anywhere close to the 8k refining cap but by saving the Dilithium I do get I am able to play the system and get the things I want with the least real world expense.
finally I don't buy into that time is money or your working to earn it argument because for me this is all just fun and if I was not playing sto I would be having to find my fun elsewhere and that might indeed cost me real world money.

maybe you think I would have no Dilithium for anything else but there again you would be wrong, I have bought items from the reputation stores, upgraded 12 ships of gear and 15 ground sets of gear to MK14 with Dilithium as well as donating tons of the stuff to my fleets.

all of this I have done with just 3 main characters and 3 farming Delta alts.

Yeah, god forbid they introduce a more equitable system where everyone pays a reasonable price and people who have no job, family or whatever it is that allows them to have all this time have to pay as well.
Everytime I hear somebody defend this game, the first thing they talk about is how if you have enough time you don't have to pay for anything. It's like their celebrating the fact that they don't do anything else and are cheapskates.

earwigvr6

What I find more funny is the amount of people jumping to defend this game.

You guys are the exact type of person the article talks about... Those that will blindly follow and open their wallets for a slight hint of something star trek.

The article is accurate in it's overall assessment of this game and the way in which it's heading.

Hat's off to him for stopping playing and not looking back.

bobbydazlers

teknesia wrote: »

bobbydazlers wrote: »

this article just smacks of someone who doesn't know how to play the system for the best benefits for the least expenditure.

the first thing he brings up lockboxes are a prime example I have opened many lockboxes and it didn't cost me a penny of real world money.
although I will admit that I was never lucky enough to get a ship from them I will also say that I found the items within to be very useful and overall would have cost me around the same amount of zen as if I had bought them on the store directly.

secondly I will address the $5 upgrade cost of tier 5 ships, there is a simple answer here, don't upgrade them.
there are many tier 5 ships in the game that could be upgraded for free if players were sensible enough to get the from the events on top of this if I had any need to upgrade tier 5 ships I would use the same method I used to buy keys so it would not cost me any real money.

lastly I will address ships and ship bundles, here again there is no need to spend any real money, personally I have bought the Dyson mega pack for 10,000zen and the T6 Delta Rising Operations Pack for 12,500zen but yet again did not have to spend any real life money.

all of these things I got by playing the game and selling Dilithium in exchange for zen.
before you ask, no I don't spend all day playing the game, just a couple or few hours and sometime a couple more at weekends if I have the time but the most important thing is playing the events like Crystalline and Mirror and not just for the 50k main prize but also for the bonus days.
most other days I rarely get anywhere close to the 8k refining cap but by saving the Dilithium I do get I am able to play the system and get the things I want with the least real world expense.
finally I don't buy into that time is money or your working to earn it argument because for me this is all just fun and if I was not playing sto I would be having to find my fun elsewhere and that might indeed cost me real world money.

maybe you think I would have no Dilithium for anything else but there again you would be wrong, I have bought items from the reputation stores, upgraded 12 ships of gear and 15 ground sets of gear to MK14 with Dilithium as well as donating tons of the stuff to my fleets.

all of this I have done with just 3 main characters and 3 farming Delta alts.

Yeah, god forbid they introduce a more equitable system where everyone pays a reasonable price and people who have no job, family or whatever it is that allows them to have all this time have to pay as well.
Everytime I hear somebody defend this game, the first thing they talk about is how if you have enough time you don't have to pay for anything. It's like their celebrating the fact that they don't do anything else and are cheapskates.

you make a lot of assumptions.
I will have you know I do have a 60hr a week job and work overtime when I can get it and I also have a family I spend plenty of time with so that's no excuse for resorting to the cash option.
its not a matter of having enough time its a matter of managing your time and finances in game and out of it.

you obviously missed the part where I said how little time I spend playing.

I am also not a cheapskate as I ponied up the cash for a lifetime sub the only thing you cant buy in game for zen but still contribution enough in my opinion.

sure the game has it's faults but the game is not at fault here, the only person that is at fault here is the person who spent money and regretted it later.
I have no regrets, can you say the same.

anazonda

earwigvr6 wrote: »

What I find more funny is the amount of people jumping to defend this game.

You guys are the exact type of person the article talks about... Those that will blindly follow and open their wallets for a slight hint of something star trek.

The article is accurate in it's overall assessment of this game and the way in which it's heading.

Hat's off to him for stopping playing and not looking back.

Actually, we are confirming what he says... Just that his article seems unprofessional and is filled with biased inaccuracies.

And that we generally don't care...

Take me for example... Havn't spend a single coin on the game since it went F2P and havn't used a master key... And I am still fine... (In fact, I am pretty sure I've only used the C-Store for the occasional promotional rewards).

YES... I got my ship upgrade for free with my LTS rewards, but if I had'n, I'd still be flying around in my T5 Defiant that I got before F2P...

You yourself is as much as bad example of the playerbase as anyone, immediately attacking people commenting based on no background knowledge and what is clearly a bitter taste of the game for whatever reason.

Let the whales pay... They have disposable income that some of us don't... Why should they NOT pay for my gametime?

messahla

The biggest issue i think the article also pointed out is STO is the only show in town trek wise either TV or Gaming if there were another viable trek game similar to STO as in 3D style format that offered a better experiance.
then STO would have to either shape up its content or watch the player base dwindle over time.

Sadly CBS cannot or will not do anything about the problem so long as they get their kickbacks they stay quiet and PWE will continue to shove an asian style grinder down our throats till we either accept it or quit.

davefenestrator

earwigvr6 wrote: »

What I find more funny is the amount of people jumping to defend this game.

You guys are the exact type of person the article talks about... Those that will blindly follow and open their wallets for a slight hint of something star trek.

The article is accurate in it's overall assessment of this game and the way in which it's heading.

Hat's off to him for stopping playing and not looking back.

Since you think leaving is a good idea: Can I haz ur stuffs?

Those that will blindly follow and open their wallets for a slight hint of something star trek.

Nope. I enjoy the game. I defend PWE offering ships and lockboxes because money is needed to keep the servers running and give us a steady stream of new content. SWTOR makes you subscribe for a non-awful experience AND STILL charged us $20 each for the previous 2 expansions. Don't pay? No new content for you!

I bought the Delta Pack a year ago since I had only free leveling ships, and have bought exactly 2 C-Store ships since then. I've opened some packs for lobi and mats knowing I had almost no chance of getting a ship.

Otherwise, I've enjoyed a steady stream of FREE new content and free T6 event ships too.

alcyoneserene

hunteralpha84 wrote: »

Seems more like a personal rant rather than an unbiased article [...] T6 was the natural progression.

I agree. Lockboxes are what they are, and nobody is forcing anyone to buy them, yet they apparently are a proven business model based on the determined drop rates and zen-key costs, while the rest is a free market for non-bound items, which includes some C Store items that can be put on the exchange for a direct entry into it.

The comparisons of the costs between other video games is like a skipping vinyl record: this is an MMO that's always in development with server costs, maintenance costs, entire team of developers, not to mention the Star Trek IP itself and it being completely F2P with zero up-front costs.

Someone should write an article on the many things Cryptic/PWE actually does right, and that's coming from someone who voices a lot of criticism towards them.

anazonda

messahla wrote: »

The biggest issue i think the article also pointed out is STO is the only show in town trek wise either TV or Gaming if there were another viable trek game similar to STO as in 3D style format that offered a better experiance.
then STO would have to either shape up its content or watch the player base dwindle over time.

Sadly CBS cannot or will not do anything about the problem so long as they get their kickbacks they stay quiet and PWE will continue to shove an asian style grinder down our throats till we either accept it or quit.

As I understand my fellow players (US counterparts), CBS is a subscriber to the very same policy as PWE and PWI are.

However, most of the stories are pretty good IMO... And then theres "Of Bajor"... But let's not get into that.

talonxv

anazonda wrote: »

messahla wrote: »

The biggest issue i think the article also pointed out is STO is the only show in town trek wise either TV or Gaming if there were another viable trek game similar to STO as in 3D style format that offered a better experiance.
then STO would have to either shape up its content or watch the player base dwindle over time.

Sadly CBS cannot or will not do anything about the problem so long as they get their kickbacks they stay quiet and PWE will continue to shove an asian style grinder down our throats till we either accept it or quit.

As I understand my fellow players (US counterparts), CBS is a subscriber to the very same policy as PWE and PWI are.

However, most of the stories are pretty good IMO... And then theres "Of Bajor"... But let's not get into that.

Least they got rid of Divide at Imperia.

anazonda

talonxv wrote: »

anazonda wrote: »

messahla wrote: »

The biggest issue i think the article also pointed out is STO is the only show in town trek wise either TV or Gaming if there were another viable trek game similar to STO as in 3D style format that offered a better experiance.
then STO would have to either shape up its content or watch the player base dwindle over time.

Sadly CBS cannot or will not do anything about the problem so long as they get their kickbacks they stay quiet and PWE will continue to shove an asian style grinder down our throats till we either accept it or quit.

As I understand my fellow players (US counterparts), CBS is a subscriber to the very same policy as PWE and PWI are.

However, most of the stories are pretty good IMO... And then theres "Of Bajor"... But let's not get into that.

Least they got rid of Divide at Imperia.

May it rest in never-ending pain.

messahla

anazonda wrote: »

messahla wrote: »

The biggest issue i think the article also pointed out is STO is the only show in town trek wise either TV or Gaming if there were another viable trek game similar to STO as in 3D style format that offered a better experiance.
then STO would have to either shape up its content or watch the player base dwindle over time.

Sadly CBS cannot or will not do anything about the problem so long as they get their kickbacks they stay quiet and PWE will continue to shove an asian style grinder down our throats till we either accept it or quit.

As I understand my fellow players (US counterparts), CBS is a subscriber to the very same policy as PWE and PWI are.

However, most of the stories are pretty good IMO... And then theres "Of Bajor"... But let's not get into that.

My arguement is in the manner of having a comepetitor game that could offer a different experiance to the asian grinder STO has become.

I do understand fully CBS and PWE act exactly the same with similar business practices my arguement is meant at seeing a better product for us gamers and trek fans across the board and competition is one way to do just that.

anazonda

messahla wrote: »

anazonda wrote: »

messahla wrote: »

The biggest issue i think the article also pointed out is STO is the only show in town trek wise either TV or Gaming if there were another viable trek game similar to STO as in 3D style format that offered a better experiance.
then STO would have to either shape up its content or watch the player base dwindle over time.

Sadly CBS cannot or will not do anything about the problem so long as they get their kickbacks they stay quiet and PWE will continue to shove an asian style grinder down our throats till we either accept it or quit.

As I understand my fellow players (US counterparts), CBS is a subscriber to the very same policy as PWE and PWI are.

However, most of the stories are pretty good IMO... And then theres "Of Bajor"... But let's not get into that.

My arguement is in the manner of having a comepetitor game that could offer a different experiance to the asian grinder STO has become.

I do understand fully CBS and PWE act exactly the same with similar business practices my arguement is meant at seeing a better product for us gamers and trek fans across the board and competition is one way to do just that.

Well there is this other game that may or may not have words such as domain and alien in it's name that is somewhat interesting...

Not as story driven as STO but it's fun...

messahla

anazonda wrote: »

messahla wrote: »

anazonda wrote: »

messahla wrote: »

The biggest issue i think the article also pointed out is STO is the only show in town trek wise either TV or Gaming if there were another viable trek game similar to STO as in 3D style format that offered a better experiance.
then STO would have to either shape up its content or watch the player base dwindle over time.

Sadly CBS cannot or will not do anything about the problem so long as they get their kickbacks they stay quiet and PWE will continue to shove an asian style grinder down our throats till we either accept it or quit.

As I understand my fellow players (US counterparts), CBS is a subscriber to the very same policy as PWE and PWI are.

However, most of the stories are pretty good IMO... And then theres "Of Bajor"... But let's not get into that.

My arguement is in the manner of having a comepetitor game that could offer a different experiance to the asian grinder STO has become.

I do understand fully CBS and PWE act exactly the same with similar business practices my arguement is meant at seeing a better product for us gamers and trek fans across the board and competition is one way to do just that.

Well there is this other game that may or may not have words such as domain and alien in it's name that is somewhat interesting...

Not as story driven as STO but it's fun...

UGH!! i tried that disgusting ICK!! and thats not even close to a viable competitor for STO not even in the same ballpark again that game is just EUWWWW!!!

anazonda

messahla wrote: »

anazonda wrote: »

messahla wrote: »

anazonda wrote: »

messahla wrote: »

The biggest issue i think the article also pointed out is STO is the only show in town trek wise either TV or Gaming if there were another viable trek game similar to STO as in 3D style format that offered a better experiance.
then STO would have to either shape up its content or watch the player base dwindle over time.

Sadly CBS cannot or will not do anything about the problem so long as they get their kickbacks they stay quiet and PWE will continue to shove an asian style grinder down our throats till we either accept it or quit.

As I understand my fellow players (US counterparts), CBS is a subscriber to the very same policy as PWE and PWI are.

However, most of the stories are pretty good IMO... And then theres "Of Bajor"... But let's not get into that.

My arguement is in the manner of having a comepetitor game that could offer a different experiance to the asian grinder STO has become.

I do understand fully CBS and PWE act exactly the same with similar business practices my arguement is meant at seeing a better product for us gamers and trek fans across the board and competition is one way to do just that.

Well there is this other game that may or may not have words such as domain and alien in it's name that is somewhat interesting...

Not as story driven as STO but it's fun...

UGH!! i tried that disgusting ICK!! and thats not even close to a viable competitor for STO not even in the same ballpark again that game is just EUWWWW!!!

That's an interesting reaction...

I found it to be a reasonable distraction.

messahla

anazonda wrote: »

messahla wrote: »

anazonda wrote: »

messahla wrote: »

anazonda wrote: »

messahla wrote: »

The biggest issue i think the article also pointed out is STO is the only show in town trek wise either TV or Gaming if there were another viable trek game similar to STO as in 3D style format that offered a better experiance.
then STO would have to either shape up its content or watch the player base dwindle over time.

Sadly CBS cannot or will not do anything about the problem so long as they get their kickbacks they stay quiet and PWE will continue to shove an asian style grinder down our throats till we either accept it or quit.

As I understand my fellow players (US counterparts), CBS is a subscriber to the very same policy as PWE and PWI are.

However, most of the stories are pretty good IMO... And then theres "Of Bajor"... But let's not get into that.

My arguement is in the manner of having a comepetitor game that could offer a different experiance to the asian grinder STO has become.

I do understand fully CBS and PWE act exactly the same with similar business practices my arguement is meant at seeing a better product for us gamers and trek fans across the board and competition is one way to do just that.

Well there is this other game that may or may not have words such as domain and alien in it's name that is somewhat interesting...

Not as story driven as STO but it's fun...

UGH!! i tried that disgusting ICK!! and thats not even close to a viable competitor for STO not even in the same ballpark again that game is just EUWWWW!!!

That's an interesting reaction...

I found it to be a reasonable distraction.

I tried it but its a browser based game and will never be as good as any client based game sure its a distraction but overall could never really compete with STO.

anazonda

messahla wrote: »

I tried it but its a browser based game and will never be as good as any client based game sure its a distraction but overall could never really compete with STO.

True... but then again, STO can never compete with Bridge Commander, in it's current form...

There is always one better.