No that's not fair. Just because I don't care anymore doesn't mean the non-feds aren't getting fcked over again. That's the only mark of distinction left to the KDF/Rom since you Feds took most everything the other two had that was ours.
It's fair of you not be expecting or waiting for it, that's all I meant.
And NO paper hull birds of prey does NOT count.
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They might not be exactly Science Vessels, but they are something that allows to do everythnig, including Science, and you get a lot closer to the experience of playing a Vesta or Pathfinder with them then you'd do with a (Science) Carrier. And despite being closer, still also very different in a very fun way IMO. Nothing a Fed-only player has ever experienced and will ever experience as long as he stays exclusively with Starfleet. (And not even lockbox ships grant the BoP experience. Though the Baltim probably has the Commander-Tac builds covered. Except the lack of battle cloak)
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I disagree. I don't like all ships from Ha' serie. The Romulans have enough tactical ships. Even if I 'd really wanted T6 Romulan science ship , so I do not want it to be Ha'nom.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
I disagree. I don't like all ships from Ha' serie. The Romulans have enough tactical ships. Even if I 'd really wanted T6 Romulan science ship , so I do not want it to be Ha'nom.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
I like. I really like... almost. I definitely want a real Rom Sci vessel, on par with the Rhode Island... and I like the Apnex, as it appeared in TNG "The Next Phase"... but this graphic is too flat and blocky. I like my warbirds with graceful curves, like a falcon soaring in the black, waiting for the moment to swoop down and carry off her prey.
I disagree. I don't like all ships from Ha' serie. The Romulans have enough tactical ships. Even if I 'd really wanted T6 Romulan science ship , so I do not want it to be Ha'nom.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
I like. I really like... almost. I definitely want a real Rom Sci vessel, on par with the Rhode Island... and I like the Apnex, as it appeared in TNG "The Next Phase"... but this graphic is too flat and blocky. I like my warbirds with graceful curves, like a falcon soaring in the black, waiting for the moment to swoop down and carry off her prey.
I also would like a science warbird to have some better art in it. one with a phasecloak would also be handy.
I'm not overly fond of the Ha'name ships either. The warbird I'd want would at least be something like the Pathfinder.
I disagree. I don't like all ships from Ha' serie. The Romulans have enough tactical ships. Even if I 'd really wanted T6 Romulan science ship , so I do not want it to be Ha'nom.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
I think this will have the same fate as the Yeager and the K'Vort. The Yeager was a kitbash from Voyager and Maquis parts, the K'Vort was an upscaled Bird of Prey, and the Romulan Science Vessel was an upscaled and reworked Romulan shuttle. It's already in the game as a variant look for that shuttle.
Still, a Phase Cloak as Romulan special ability might be nice.
Interestingly, the Kar'Fi actually has an ability similar to that.
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I think Cryptic could do something pretty impressive using the 'science shuttle' as a basis. Raise the wings slightly on a curve, rescale the hull plating details so it doesn't look so small, smooth out the front for a typical warbird head...
I disagree. I don't like all ships from Ha' serie. The Romulans have enough tactical ships. Even if I 'd really wanted T6 Romulan science ship , so I do not want it to be Ha'nom.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
I think this will have the same fate as the Yeager and the K'Vort. The Yeager was a kitbash from Voyager and Maquis parts, the K'Vort was an upscaled Bird of Prey, and the Romulan Science Vessel was an upscaled and reworked Romulan shuttle. It's already in the game as a variant look for that shuttle.
Still, a Phase Cloak as Romulan special ability might be nice.
Interestingly, the Kar'Fi actually has an ability similar to that.
Nope. No matter how many times you say it, it is not, in any way, related to the Romulan shuttle. The scout-ship and science-ship are variants on the same model, true, however neither have a defined size or scale. And again, the only similarity is the central hull and nacelles. They have different wings, head, and tail sections.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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Nope. No matter how many times you say it, it is not, in any way, related to the Romulan shuttle. The scout-ship and science-ship are variants on the same model, true, however neither have a defined size or scale. And again, the only similarity is the central hull and nacelles. They have different wings, head, and tail sections.
Oh yeah, no question - on screen they're not related at all.
But behind the scenes, the model is a kitbash just like some of the ships at Wolf 359's graveyard or a handful seen in DS9 battles.
Either way, if Cryptic introduces this as a science ship, they're likely to do their own 'kitbash' of it. Which, given their track record with warbirds, at the very least is guaranteed to look all types of awesome.
I disagree. I don't like all ships from Ha' serie. The Romulans have enough tactical ships. Even if I 'd really wanted T6 Romulan science ship , so I do not want it to be Ha'nom.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
This ship you're showing us in your post is a SHUTTLECRAFT.
THIS:
Is what Mustrum and I are talking about! We should have had a T6 version / T6 Fleet version Already! Not a shuttle.
Let's go ship devs. Please look out for us Paying Customers who want to see Stand Alone versions in T6 flavor. LLAP!
I disagree. I don't like all ships from Ha' serie. The Romulans have enough tactical ships. Even if I 'd really wanted T6 Romulan science ship , so I do not want it to be Ha'nom.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
This ship you're showing us in your post is a SHUTTLECRAFT.
THIS:
Is what Mustrum and I are talking about! We should have had a T6 version / T6 Fleet version Already! Not a shuttle.
Let's go ship devs. Please look out for us Paying Customers who want to see Stand Alone versions in T6 flavor. LLAP!
--T9
The T5 Fleet Ha'feh has a wonderful, flexible BOFF layout. Put that Universal LtCmdr into either TAC, SCI, or ENG and your ship will not suffer a gaping hole in capability. A T6 version of that layout would be amazing.
Honestly I think we just got our answer. After what, 2+ years of no sci ships (the last being the dyson catastrophe), they let go 2 strong cross factions that rom and kdf can use so they don't have to actually produce one for us. The event ship isnt bad. The lobi ship is stupidly good.
I read this release of 2 sci ships at once to be a no-go for the rom/kdf.
Which works for me... Ive used non-rom ships for so long I don't think I even have a sing core anymore. The only rom ship Ive actually liked since the scimitar was the faeht (and I actually don't like the scim that much, its clunky but it was what we had back when).
I don't even think I would buy a rom sci now. I promised to buy a BOP if they let one out, and it was meh compared to the balthim. If I buy a rom sci ship, it has to be better than the paradox.
heh did ya notice our "science" flagship doesn't even have the sensor analysis the other 2 have?
Maybe it's because the Scimitar has always been the OP ship and it really doesn't need extra help? The Fed Science Flagship comes with only 2 tactical consoles... And none of the other faction's flagships have a 5/3 weapon layout.
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heh did ya notice our "science" flagship doesn't even have the sensor analysis the other 2 have?
Maybe it's because the Scimitar has always been the OP ship and it really doesn't need extra help? The Fed Science Flagship comes with only 2 tactical consoles... And none of the other faction's flagships have a 5/3 weapon layout.
possible, but still annoying. Then again, while unsurprised, I'm a bit disappointed they did a t6 scimitard at all
I disagree. I don't like all ships from Ha' serie. The Romulans have enough tactical ships. Even if I 'd really wanted T6 Romulan science ship , so I do not want it to be Ha'nom.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
that looks like the ship from the TNG episode there the Romulans invented a way to slip out of phase to spy on the Enterprise, but ended up zapping Geordi too. Yet again, Romulan SCIENCE. Everything the Roms do involves science. Give us a science ship! lol
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I disagree. I don't like all ships from Ha' serie. The Romulans have enough tactical ships. Even if I 'd really wanted T6 Romulan science ship , so I do not want it to be Ha'nom.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
that looks like the ship from the TNG episode there the Romulans invented a way to slip out of phase to spy on the Enterprise, but ended up zapping Geordi too. Yet again, Romulan SCIENCE. Everything the Roms do involves science. Give us a science ship! lol
The Romulan's really are the masters of Science, not the Feds, or humans, really if anything the Human's of the Federation are known for exploration and wanderlust, but even then the Romulan empire was far more reaching at it's peak than the UFP, so they were not lacking in exploration either.
As a side note, this made me think/reminded me that the basis of the transwarp gates comes from borg technology, which they constantly claim should be off limits to everyone else.
ruff, meow, moo, whatever.... *shrug* [ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]
I disagree. I don't like all ships from Ha' serie. The Romulans have enough tactical ships. Even if I 'd really wanted T6 Romulan science ship , so I do not want it to be Ha'nom.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
that looks like the ship from the TNG episode there the Romulans invented a way to slip out of phase to spy on the Enterprise, but ended up zapping Geordi too. Yet again, Romulan SCIENCE. Everything the Roms do involves science. Give us a science ship! lol
The Romulan's really are the masters of Science, not the Feds, or humans, really if anything the Human's of the Federation are known for exploration and wanderlust, but even then the Romulan empire was far more reaching at it's peak than the UFP, so they were not lacking in exploration either.
As a side note, this made me think/reminded me that the basis of the transwarp gates comes from borg technology, which they constantly claim should be off limits to everyone else.
Aye. The UFP is known more for it's Engineering skills, the Romulans for their Scientific aptitude (not unlike the Vulcans), and the Klingons for their Tactical prowess, obviously.
Ive seen and heard the argument about kdf not being science heavy ... one would believe the klingons developed space travel by conquoring another species using swords and clubs and took their ships from them and copied all the tech. Are they a bunch of theoretical nerds in lab coats trying to figure out if warp drives create gravitational pollution in space? Probably not. But they are ALL about applied science, in that they know full well it is a critical thing to have in order to beat up enemies (everyone else) more effectively in the current universe.
Ive seen and heard the argument about kdf not being science heavy ... one would believe the klingons developed space travel by conquoring another species using swords and clubs and took their ships from them and copied all the tech. Are they a bunch of theoretical nerds in lab coats trying to figure out if warp drives create gravitational pollution in space? Probably not. But they are ALL about applied science, in that they know full well it is a critical thing to have in order to beat up enemies (everyone else) more effectively in the current universe.
Actually, iirc, they got it because they were conquered and that species died off/left and the Klingons reverse engineered a battleship or some TRIBBLE that was left behind. Thats how they became such a major power prior to the formation of the UFP, they had a leg up tech wise on many other races.
well people want a t6 sov and vorcha and the rommies have few t5 ships to upgrade left so my moneys is that pne of them would get a refit so they can faction bundle it.
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Ive seen and heard the argument about kdf not being science heavy ... one would believe the klingons developed space travel by conquoring another species using swords and clubs and took their ships from them and copied all the tech. Are they a bunch of theoretical nerds in lab coats trying to figure out if warp drives create gravitational pollution in space? Probably not. But they are ALL about applied science, in that they know full well it is a critical thing to have in order to beat up enemies (everyone else) more effectively in the current universe.
It is possible to conduct science without having dedicated science vessels. The lack of science vessels does not imply a lack of scientific aptitude. The foremost explorer vessel in Star Trek have always been Cruisers - look at the history of the USS Enterprise. Both Engineering and Science happened about those ships. And fundamental research like for Soliton Waves or Krieger Radiation happened on planets and space stations, too.
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I disagree. I don't like all ships from Ha' serie. The Romulans have enough tactical ships. Even if I 'd really wanted T6 Romulan science ship , so I do not want it to be Ha'nom.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
that looks like the ship from the TNG episode there the Romulans invented a way to slip out of phase to spy on the Enterprise, but ended up zapping Geordi too. Yet again, Romulan SCIENCE. Everything the Roms do involves science. Give us a science ship! lol
The Romulan's really are the masters of Science, not the Feds, or humans, really if anything the Human's of the Federation are known for exploration and wanderlust, but even then the Romulan empire was far more reaching at it's peak than the UFP, so they were not lacking in exploration either.
As a side note, this made me think/reminded me that the basis of the transwarp gates comes from borg technology, which they constantly claim should be off limits to everyone else.
lol oh beleive me i argued this not long after LOR came out but it fell of deaf dev ears.
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As much i like the Ha'nom since it the only Science Vessels the republic has, am not sure i want T6 version. The Ha'nom fly much like Ha'feh, too slow to even be a science vessels for me and the design makes it look like a tank ships rather. what we new is new line of T6 only science vessels to roll out of the republic shipyards. i said T6 only because i feel not alot of people will even consider to buy a T5 ships when they will rather spend that money to buy T6.
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The T6 Ha'nom is much more needed for the Roms right now for nothing more than a T6 quality SCI Vessel. The current stock of Escorts in the T6 Warbird lineup are for the most parts, rather quite good encompassing many playstyles. SCI Vessels is a big, gaping, black hole at T6.
I beg to differ. SCI vessels for the Romulan faction in general is a big, gaping, black hole. Aside from the Ha'nom, there are no science vessels. If it weren't for the event sci ships, the Rommies would be out in the cold. The same goes for the Klingons.
I don't even include the lottery/event ships. There is no science ships for the other two and until we can execute the head honcho in charge of keeping Klingon/Romulan science ships out of the game, there will never be.
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They might not be exactly Science Vessels, but they are something that allows to do everythnig, including Science, and you get a lot closer to the experience of playing a Vesta or Pathfinder with them then you'd do with a (Science) Carrier. And despite being closer, still also very different in a very fun way IMO. Nothing a Fed-only player has ever experienced and will ever experience as long as he stays exclusively with Starfleet. (And not even lockbox ships grant the BoP experience. Though the Baltim probably has the Commander-Tac builds covered. Except the lack of battle cloak)
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Funny how discussions go on these forums... Klingon Thread about the Kor? People complain about the Fed Defiant. Romulan Thread about Ha'Feh and Ha'nom. People complain about the (lack of) Klingon Science Vessels.
What about a remodel of Apnex ship on 25. century standard? With an interphase generator console.
I also would like a science warbird to have some better art in it. one with a phasecloak would also be handy.
I'm not overly fond of the Ha'name ships either. The warbird I'd want would at least be something like the Pathfinder.
Still, a Phase Cloak as Romulan special ability might be nice.
Interestingly, the Kar'Fi actually has an ability similar to that.
I'd be all over that.
Nope. No matter how many times you say it, it is not, in any way, related to the Romulan shuttle. The scout-ship and science-ship are variants on the same model, true, however neither have a defined size or scale. And again, the only similarity is the central hull and nacelles. They have different wings, head, and tail sections.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Oh yeah, no question - on screen they're not related at all.
But behind the scenes, the model is a kitbash just like some of the ships at Wolf 359's graveyard or a handful seen in DS9 battles.
Either way, if Cryptic introduces this as a science ship, they're likely to do their own 'kitbash' of it. Which, given their track record with warbirds, at the very least is guaranteed to look all types of awesome.
This ship you're showing us in your post is a SHUTTLECRAFT.
THIS:
Is what Mustrum and I are talking about! We should have had a T6 version / T6 Fleet version Already! Not a shuttle.
Let's go ship devs. Please look out for us Paying Customers who want to see Stand Alone versions in T6 flavor. LLAP!
--T9
The T5 Fleet Ha'feh has a wonderful, flexible BOFF layout. Put that Universal LtCmdr into either TAC, SCI, or ENG and your ship will not suffer a gaping hole in capability. A T6 version of that layout would be amazing.
I read this release of 2 sci ships at once to be a no-go for the rom/kdf.
Which works for me... Ive used non-rom ships for so long I don't think I even have a sing core anymore. The only rom ship Ive actually liked since the scimitar was the faeht (and I actually don't like the scim that much, its clunky but it was what we had back when).
I don't even think I would buy a rom sci now. I promised to buy a BOP if they let one out, and it was meh compared to the balthim. If I buy a rom sci ship, it has to be better than the paradox.
possible, but still annoying. Then again, while unsurprised, I'm a bit disappointed they did a t6 scimitard at all
No cruiser commands for the Eng version either. I read in some of the dev comments that it was part of the trade-off for the battlecloak and hangar.
can I trade in my hangar then? :P
that looks like the ship from the TNG episode there the Romulans invented a way to slip out of phase to spy on the Enterprise, but ended up zapping Geordi too. Yet again, Romulan SCIENCE. Everything the Roms do involves science. Give us a science ship! lol
The Romulan's really are the masters of Science, not the Feds, or humans, really if anything the Human's of the Federation are known for exploration and wanderlust, but even then the Romulan empire was far more reaching at it's peak than the UFP, so they were not lacking in exploration either.
As a side note, this made me think/reminded me that the basis of the transwarp gates comes from borg technology, which they constantly claim should be off limits to everyone else.
[ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]
Aye. The UFP is known more for it's Engineering skills, the Romulans for their Scientific aptitude (not unlike the Vulcans), and the Klingons for their Tactical prowess, obviously.
Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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lol oh beleive me i argued this not long after LOR came out but it fell of deaf dev ears.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
I beg to differ. SCI vessels for the Romulan faction in general is a big, gaping, black hole. Aside from the Ha'nom, there are no science vessels. If it weren't for the event sci ships, the Rommies would be out in the cold. The same goes for the Klingons.