We really need a Tier 6 Ha'feh and Tier 6 Ha'nom now

mustrumridcully0

We really need a Tier 6 Ha'feh and Tier 6 Ha'nom now... Because you can make such nice looking ships with the new Kara parts! (Admittedly, also with some of the old parts).​​

thetanine

Yes. We DO NEED the RRW Ha'feh Assault Warbird as a T6 Stand Alone Vessel.
It IS already on the KARA. It just needs the same treatment the T5 ships before it received.
Here's is my T5-U Ha'feh : http://imgur.com/IkvXEJ2​​

artan42

I'd like a T6 Ha'nom to go with a Vesta and Gorn refit.​​

warmaker001b

The T6 Ha'nom is much more needed for the Roms right now for nothing more than a T6 quality SCI Vessel. The current stock of Escorts in the T6 Warbird lineup are for the most parts, rather quite good encompassing many playstyles. SCI Vessels is a big, gaping, black hole at T6.

potasssium

I bet they will be called the Ka'Feh & Ka'nom.

Ka'Feh = Coffee... Sold, TAKE MY MONEY!.

guljarol

I'd rather fly something more aesthetically pleasing, and definitely less sluggish than Ha'nom, but if that'd be the only option, I'd still want it. Because SCI.​​

thetanine

guljarol wrote: »

I'd rather fly something more aesthetically pleasing, and definitely less sluggish than Ha'nom, but if that'd be the only option, I'd still want it. Because SCI.

Guljarol, have you tested slotting some SCI boffs in the universal slots of some of the other ships that have a seat for Lt. Commander UNIVERSAL slots? Even if it seems a bit odd for any given ship, you should try it out. I have done so with Lt.Cmd. ENG boffs. Some of the skills they have a sweet slots for the auto/tap activation. Make sure skills you do use in a spot like that have a short recharge timer though so you can get the most out of it without being distracted to manually click a given skill/power.

I have had some great success with this method, using my Fleet Faeht. That bird'll do over 60 on a turn with the right setup and the surgical strikes are just all the joy.​​

kodachikuno

I think the point is to get the sensor analysis and subsystem targeting sci schips are supposed to have... personally I never use the subsystem thing but do like that sensor analysis buff

guljarol

thetanine wrote: »

guljarol wrote: »

I'd rather fly something more aesthetically pleasing, and definitely less sluggish than Ha'nom, but if that'd be the only option, I'd still want it. Because SCI.

Guljarol, have you tested slotting some SCI boffs in the universal slots of some of the other ships that have a seat for Lt. Commander UNIVERSAL slots? Even if it seems a bit odd for any given ship, you should try it out. I have done so with Lt.Cmd. ENG boffs. Some of the skills they have a sweet slots for the auto/tap activation. Make sure skills you do use in a spot like that have a short recharge timer though so you can get the most out of it without being distracted to manually click a given skill/power.

I have had some great success with this method, using my Fleet Faeht. That bird'll do over 60 on a turn with the right setup and the surgical strikes are just all the joy.

Actually, yes, I did. I flew Faeht on my SCI, and loved all the science and intel spam I could throw at the enemy. Now I'm flying the Morrigu, and the Lt. Cmdr. Universal is all for science stuff and evilness

Still...

kodachikuno wrote: »

I think the point is to get the sensor analysis and subsystem targeting sci schips are supposed to have... personally I never use the subsystem thing but do like that sensor analysis buff

This^. I liked sensor analysis.​​

skylarcomet

guljarol wrote: »

thetanine wrote: »

guljarol wrote: »

I'd rather fly something more aesthetically pleasing, and definitely less sluggish than Ha'nom, but if that'd be the only option, I'd still want it. Because SCI.

Guljarol, have you tested slotting some SCI boffs in the universal slots of some of the other ships that have a seat for Lt. Commander UNIVERSAL slots? Even if it seems a bit odd for any given ship, you should try it out. I have done so with Lt.Cmd. ENG boffs. Some of the skills they have a sweet slots for the auto/tap activation. Make sure skills you do use in a spot like that have a short recharge timer though so you can get the most out of it without being distracted to manually click a given skill/power.

I have had some great success with this method, using my Fleet Faeht. That bird'll do over 60 on a turn with the right setup and the surgical strikes are just all the joy.

Actually, yes, I did. I flew Faeht on my SCI, and loved all the science and intel spam I could throw at the enemy. Now I'm flying the Morrigu, and the Lt. Cmdr. Universal is all for science stuff and evilness

Still...

kodachikuno wrote: »

I think the point is to get the sensor analysis and subsystem targeting sci schips are supposed to have... personally I never use the subsystem thing but do like that sensor analysis buff

This^. I liked sensor analysis.​​

Also having the secondary deflector dish would be nice. I have used the Ar'Kif, the Faeht, and I am now in the Morrigu too, and they work, they are nice ships, they are not science ships though.

azmodeas

I loathe the look of the Hanom so for sci I've gone back to flying the t5u tal shiar adapted battle cruiser and destoryer . no neither has subsytem targetting and never use that. but both have sensor analysis which I do use and enjoy. For roms its those or the hanom or the dyson destoryers if you want close to a "sci ship" .

potasssium

I uses the T5u Harpia, Tactical Dyson destroyer, and she is a good ship, just ignore the ability to change modes. Vesta was ok, but I fell out of love with it.

I'd much rather see a Nebula & Scryer equivalent. Those are the Sci ships I like. Big and tanky or fast and stealthy.

valenn1

azmodeas wrote: »

I loathe the look of the Hanom so for sci I've gone back to flying the t5u tal shiar adapted battle cruiser and destoryer . no neither has subsytem targetting and never use that. but both have sensor analysis which I do use and enjoy. For roms its those or the hanom or the dyson destoryers if you want close to a "sci ship" .

+1 The Ha'Nom is a horrible Ship, absurdly huge and *ehm* aesthetically challenged (not to mention:underperforming) , if Cryptic ever releses a Zen Store T6 of the Ha'nom it will be the death knell for for any possible rom sci ships the future may bring.
Scimitar and others can live with a certain ugliness because it's canon.. . a homebrew? i don't think so.

kodachikuno

"aesthetically challenged" is about as subjective as it gets. Opinions are like TRIBBLE, everyone has one and most stink, and none are the same

carasucia83

I want more science ships. For RRF and KDF.

But we aren't making a game that makes money. We are making money out of a game.

So... yea... metrics...

Gecko's Dyson Destroyer Logic: We made a cheeseburger with poo inside. People didn't buy it. I guess people don't like cheeseburgers...

cryptkeeper0

Honestly those ships seemed to be more like a hastily added to teir 5 so that RRF could have a science ship and a escort when legacy of the void came out. I don't think they will, make them teir 6 but i do see them making a T6 RRF science ship at some point, as well as another escort like ship.

lianthelia

warmaker001b wrote: »

The T6 Ha'nom is much more needed for the Roms right now for nothing more than a T6 quality SCI Vessel. The current stock of Escorts in the T6 Warbird lineup are for the most parts, rather quite good encompassing many playstyles. SCI Vessels is a big, gaping, black hole at T6.

I'd love a nice Rom Sci ship but not the Ha'nom...played around with my Haakona...I just can't seem to like the ship much...I thought about the Kara, but I'm glad I don't have the zen for it or I may have bought it.

chipg7

We definitely need some sci-love at T6, but I'm not sure if the Ha'nom is the ideal candidate. As the Feds are painfully realizing with their beloved Defiant, T6 isn't much more than a marginal upgrade over T5.

The Ha'nom wasn't a particularly stunning sci ship, so I'd love a brand new option with some serious synergy with part-gens.

mustrumridcully0

chipg7 wrote: »

We definitely need some sci-love at T6, but I'm not sure if the Ha'nom is the ideal candidate. As the Feds are painfully realizing with their beloved Defiant, T6 isn't much more than a marginal upgrade over T5.

The Ha'nom wasn't a particularly stunning sci ship, so I'd love a brand new option with some serious synergy with part-gens.

I see the possibility that they could use this opportunity to upgrade the Ha'nom. The Ha'apax/Kara suddenly has grown stuff its Tier 5 version didn't have - hangar bay, plasma lance.

Not sure how they'd feel about upgrading the turn rate - if they do that, it would probably also affect the Tier 5 version, which isn't a bad thing.

chipg7

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

chipg7 wrote: »

We definitely need some sci-love at T6, but I'm not sure if the Ha'nom is the ideal candidate. As the Feds are painfully realizing with their beloved Defiant, T6 isn't much more than a marginal upgrade over T5.

The Ha'nom wasn't a particularly stunning sci ship, so I'd love a brand new option with some serious synergy with part-gens.

I see the possibility that they could use this opportunity to upgrade the Ha'nom. The Ha'apax/Kara suddenly has grown stuff its Tier 5 version didn't have - hangar bay, plasma lance.

Not sure how they'd feel about upgrading the turn rate - if they do that, it would probably also affect the Tier 5 version, which isn't a bad thing.

They did a good job with the Kara, bringing it up to par with its counterparts. Never found the Haakona to be lacking anything mind you, but it was a nice boost nonetheless.

To bring the Ha'nom up to par with the science ship meta though... hard to say. It needs some work for sure.

mustrumridcully0

chipg7 wrote: »

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

chipg7 wrote: »

We definitely need some sci-love at T6, but I'm not sure if the Ha'nom is the ideal candidate. As the Feds are painfully realizing with their beloved Defiant, T6 isn't much more than a marginal upgrade over T5.

The Ha'nom wasn't a particularly stunning sci ship, so I'd love a brand new option with some serious synergy with part-gens.

I see the possibility that they could use this opportunity to upgrade the Ha'nom. The Ha'apax/Kara suddenly has grown stuff its Tier 5 version didn't have - hangar bay, plasma lance.

Not sure how they'd feel about upgrading the turn rate - if they do that, it would probably also affect the Tier 5 version, which isn't a bad thing.

They did a good job with the Kara, bringing it up to par with its counterparts. Never found the Haakona to be lacking anything mind you, but it was a nice boost nonetheless.

To bring the Ha'nom up to par with the science ship meta though... hard to say. It needs some work for sure.

It doesn't need all that much. At least conceptually. Give it Sensor Analysis, Subsystem Targeting (well, that part you can almost leave out) and a better turn rate, you've got a decent science vessel. If they don't want to give it a better turn rate, maybe a hangar bay might help, but that's doubtful.

knightnblu

The Romulans definitely got the short end of the stick on Sci ships. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see some more sci ships for Romulans who can't use either the Fed or KDF science ships. And speaking of KDF, they desperately need a tier 6 science ship as well.

kodachikuno

Secondary Deflector, sensor analysis, Sci BOFF heavy seating, and a decent turn rate, the mechanics of a decent sci ship arent that hard... convincing cryptic to let the artists make one is

chipg7

kodachikuno wrote: »

Secondary Deflector, sensor analysis, Sci BOFF heavy seating, and a decent turn rate, the mechanics of a decent sci ship arent that hard... convincing cryptic to let the artists make one is

Yeah, and because the general approach to T6 refitting is incremental updates, there isn't a whole lot of room.

That's why I'd think it might be easier for them to just release a whole new set of top-of-the-line sci ships. Feds obviously have way more than their fair share of sci ships, but I could definitely get behind the idea of Cryptic releasing another 3-ship, cross-faction pack of brand new ships for this.

Mind you, I'd need to roll an entirely new Romulan sci toon - my current end-game Rom-sci isn't geared at all for sci ships, for obviously reasons

kyrrok

chipg7 wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

Secondary Deflector, sensor analysis, Sci BOFF heavy seating, and a decent turn rate, the mechanics of a decent sci ship arent that hard... convincing cryptic to let the artists make one is

Yeah, and because the general approach to T6 refitting is incremental updates, there isn't a whole lot of room.

That's why I'd think it might be easier for them to just release a whole new set of top-of-the-line sci ships. Feds obviously have way more than their fair share of sci ships, but I could definitely get behind the idea of Cryptic releasing another 3-ship, cross-faction pack of brand new ships for this.

Mind you, I'd need to roll an entirely new Romulan sci toon - my current end-game Rom-sci isn't geared at all for sci ships, for obviously reasons

I'd like to one day roll a Klingon sci, for the same obvious reasons, but I'm not holding my breath over it.

mustrumridcully0

kyrrok wrote: »

chipg7 wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

Secondary Deflector, sensor analysis, Sci BOFF heavy seating, and a decent turn rate, the mechanics of a decent sci ship arent that hard... convincing cryptic to let the artists make one is

Yeah, and because the general approach to T6 refitting is incremental updates, there isn't a whole lot of room.

That's why I'd think it might be easier for them to just release a whole new set of top-of-the-line sci ships. Feds obviously have way more than their fair share of sci ships, but I could definitely get behind the idea of Cryptic releasing another 3-ship, cross-faction pack of brand new ships for this.

Mind you, I'd need to roll an entirely new Romulan sci toon - my current end-game Rom-sci isn't geared at all for sci ships, for obviously reasons

I'd like to one day roll a Klingon sci, for the same obvious reasons, but I'm not holding my breath over it.

A Science Captain can roll any ship, but if you want a Cmdr Science, the Bird of Prey now has a Tier 6 version. Sensor Analysis and Secondary Deflectors are nice and all, but so is a 4/2 weapon layout and battle cloak.

Peoply vastly overrate the importance of the science vessel gimmicks IMO.

kyrrok

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

kyrrok wrote: »

chipg7 wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

Secondary Deflector, sensor analysis, Sci BOFF heavy seating, and a decent turn rate, the mechanics of a decent sci ship arent that hard... convincing cryptic to let the artists make one is

Yeah, and because the general approach to T6 refitting is incremental updates, there isn't a whole lot of room.

That's why I'd think it might be easier for them to just release a whole new set of top-of-the-line sci ships. Feds obviously have way more than their fair share of sci ships, but I could definitely get behind the idea of Cryptic releasing another 3-ship, cross-faction pack of brand new ships for this.

Mind you, I'd need to roll an entirely new Romulan sci toon - my current end-game Rom-sci isn't geared at all for sci ships, for obviously reasons

I'd like to one day roll a Klingon sci, for the same obvious reasons, but I'm not holding my breath over it.

A Science Captain can roll any ship, but if you want a Cmdr Science, the Bird of Prey now has a Tier 6 version. Sensor Analysis and Secondary Deflectors are nice and all, but so is a 4/2 weapon layout and battle cloak.

Peoply vastly overrate the importance of the science vessel gimmicks IMO.

True enough, but I find birds of prey to be the type that drop cloak, alpha strike, cloak, maybe leave a parting gift as I disappear. It's hull can't take enough pounding to stay in a fight. Maybe a bird of prey is science vessel enough for most others, just not for me.

mustrumridcully0

kyrrok wrote: »

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

kyrrok wrote: »

chipg7 wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

Secondary Deflector, sensor analysis, Sci BOFF heavy seating, and a decent turn rate, the mechanics of a decent sci ship arent that hard... convincing cryptic to let the artists make one is

Yeah, and because the general approach to T6 refitting is incremental updates, there isn't a whole lot of room.

That's why I'd think it might be easier for them to just release a whole new set of top-of-the-line sci ships. Feds obviously have way more than their fair share of sci ships, but I could definitely get behind the idea of Cryptic releasing another 3-ship, cross-faction pack of brand new ships for this.

Mind you, I'd need to roll an entirely new Romulan sci toon - my current end-game Rom-sci isn't geared at all for sci ships, for obviously reasons

I'd like to one day roll a Klingon sci, for the same obvious reasons, but I'm not holding my breath over it.

A Science Captain can roll any ship, but if you want a Cmdr Science, the Bird of Prey now has a Tier 6 version. Sensor Analysis and Secondary Deflectors are nice and all, but so is a 4/2 weapon layout and battle cloak.

Peoply vastly overrate the importance of the science vessel gimmicks IMO.

True enough, but I find birds of prey to be the type that drop cloak, alpha strike, cloak, maybe leave a parting gift as I disappear. It's hull can't take enough pounding to stay in a fight. Maybe a bird of prey is science vessel enough for most others, just not for me.

Science Vessels aren't exactly hull tankers, either. And you can expect that if you got a "real" Klingon (or Romulan) science vessel, that any cloaking device will cost you in hull or shields or something else.
Bring a few more heals and resist buffs.
Another poster on the forums mentioned using Radiant Weapons, the Pilot ability that grants temp hit points when you activate attack patterns, and similar abilities to get more temporary hit points to keep you alive.

If you just would have a Klingon Science Officer in a Science Vessel copy & pasted from the Federation, why bother? There won't be anything unique about the gameplay you experience. (Not that anyone would listen, that's why we get nonsense like Fed Carriers or Battle Cruisers, too.)

kyrrok

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

kyrrok wrote: »

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

kyrrok wrote: »

chipg7 wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

Secondary Deflector, sensor analysis, Sci BOFF heavy seating, and a decent turn rate, the mechanics of a decent sci ship arent that hard... convincing cryptic to let the artists make one is

Yeah, and because the general approach to T6 refitting is incremental updates, there isn't a whole lot of room.

That's why I'd think it might be easier for them to just release a whole new set of top-of-the-line sci ships. Feds obviously have way more than their fair share of sci ships, but I could definitely get behind the idea of Cryptic releasing another 3-ship, cross-faction pack of brand new ships for this.

Mind you, I'd need to roll an entirely new Romulan sci toon - my current end-game Rom-sci isn't geared at all for sci ships, for obviously reasons

I'd like to one day roll a Klingon sci, for the same obvious reasons, but I'm not holding my breath over it.

A Science Captain can roll any ship, but if you want a Cmdr Science, the Bird of Prey now has a Tier 6 version. Sensor Analysis and Secondary Deflectors are nice and all, but so is a 4/2 weapon layout and battle cloak.

Peoply vastly overrate the importance of the science vessel gimmicks IMO.

True enough, but I find birds of prey to be the type that drop cloak, alpha strike, cloak, maybe leave a parting gift as I disappear. It's hull can't take enough pounding to stay in a fight. Maybe a bird of prey is science vessel enough for most others, just not for me.

Science Vessels aren't exactly hull tankers, either. And you can expect that if you got a "real" Klingon (or Romulan) science vessel, that any cloaking device will cost you in hull or shields or something else.
Bring a few more heals and resist buffs.
Another poster on the forums mentioned using Radiant Weapons, the Pilot ability that grants temp hit points when you activate attack patterns, and similar abilities to get more temporary hit points to keep you alive.

If you just would have a Klingon Science Officer in a Science Vessel copy & pasted from the Federation, why bother? There won't be anything unique about the gameplay you experience. (Not that anyone would listen, that's why we get nonsense like Fed Carriers or Battle Cruisers, too.)

Why bother is a good question indeed. And so I don't. It's really just that simple. I'm not waiting anxiously for a KDF science ship. I'm not waiting at all. I just don't care.

mustrumridcully0

kyrrok wrote: »

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

kyrrok wrote: »

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

kyrrok wrote: »

chipg7 wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

Secondary Deflector, sensor analysis, Sci BOFF heavy seating, and a decent turn rate, the mechanics of a decent sci ship arent that hard... convincing cryptic to let the artists make one is

Yeah, and because the general approach to T6 refitting is incremental updates, there isn't a whole lot of room.

That's why I'd think it might be easier for them to just release a whole new set of top-of-the-line sci ships. Feds obviously have way more than their fair share of sci ships, but I could definitely get behind the idea of Cryptic releasing another 3-ship, cross-faction pack of brand new ships for this.

Mind you, I'd need to roll an entirely new Romulan sci toon - my current end-game Rom-sci isn't geared at all for sci ships, for obviously reasons

I'd like to one day roll a Klingon sci, for the same obvious reasons, but I'm not holding my breath over it.

A Science Captain can roll any ship, but if you want a Cmdr Science, the Bird of Prey now has a Tier 6 version. Sensor Analysis and Secondary Deflectors are nice and all, but so is a 4/2 weapon layout and battle cloak.

Peoply vastly overrate the importance of the science vessel gimmicks IMO.

True enough, but I find birds of prey to be the type that drop cloak, alpha strike, cloak, maybe leave a parting gift as I disappear. It's hull can't take enough pounding to stay in a fight. Maybe a bird of prey is science vessel enough for most others, just not for me.

Science Vessels aren't exactly hull tankers, either. And you can expect that if you got a "real" Klingon (or Romulan) science vessel, that any cloaking device will cost you in hull or shields or something else.
Bring a few more heals and resist buffs.
Another poster on the forums mentioned using Radiant Weapons, the Pilot ability that grants temp hit points when you activate attack patterns, and similar abilities to get more temporary hit points to keep you alive.

If you just would have a Klingon Science Officer in a Science Vessel copy & pasted from the Federation, why bother? There won't be anything unique about the gameplay you experience. (Not that anyone would listen, that's why we get nonsense like Fed Carriers or Battle Cruisers, too.)

Why bother is a good question indeed. And so I don't. It's really just that simple. I'm not waiting anxiously for a KDF science ship. I'm not waiting at all. I just don't care.

Okay, that's fair.


So, is there any hope for Ha'feh and Ha'nom? I guess it might depend on how many Tier 6 cross-faction packs Cryptic still wants to deliver... They'll run out of KDF and Romulan ships sooner than they'll run out of Fed ships to upgrade... Of course, they could also make entirely new ships, but that seems reserved for new specializations.

kyrrok

No that's not fair. Just because I don't care anymore doesn't mean the non-feds aren't getting fcked over again. That's the only mark of distinction left to the KDF/Rom since you Feds took most everything the other two had that was ours. And NO paper hull birds of prey does NOT count.