Well, we can hardly get retribution for this on him, can we?
.... mainly because Spock shot him in the face.
He rises on the third day very pissed off. He's doing that fool me once, shame bit.
Fine. We get out T6 B'Rels and shoot him in the face again.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.
But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.
And Yar only did that because Picard let her.
Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
#BlamePicard
I disagree. The blame starts not with Picard, but with Guinan, even though Picard was the one to make the decision. If Guinan had not told or even suggested that Tasha was dead, she might not have gone over to the Enterprise-C, which resulted in her having Sela. I mentioned in another post that the blame doesn't solely belong to Guinan or Picard. Everyone who had contact with the alternate Tasha Yar, starting from Yesterday's Enterprise, as well as Sela up to the Midnight episode (this includes the player) is responsible for the destruction of Hobus and Romulus. I would like to point out that the Iconians had no knowledge of Romulans since they had not separated from the Vulcans at that point in time. The fact that T'Ket knew that Sela was a Romulan suggests that Kagran gave T'Ket that knowledge during his brief stay prior to the player and Sela arriving on Iconia. For whatever the reason, Kagran sealed the Romulans fate by exposing Sela.
Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.
But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.
And Yar only did that because Picard let her.
Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
#BlamePicard
That still doesn't explain why the Federation and Romulan Republic are letting her walk free on Earth (on Star Fleet Academy grounds no less); and my character is stuck saying "you have a chance to be a better person..." <ugh>.
(Although with what the Alliance now knows, I'm surprised no one said - "Hey let's beam Sela out in a EVA suit, and have the Krenim timeship weapon shoot her, and do an incursion to see what happens IF she's removed..."
Formerly known as Armsman from June 2008 to June 20, 2012 PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.
But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.
And Yar only did that because Picard let her.
Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
#BlamePicard
That still doesn't explain why the Federation and Romulan Republic are letting her walk free on Earth (on Star Fleet Academy grounds no less); and my character is stuck saying "you have a chance to be a better person..." <ugh>.
(Although with what the Alliance now knows, I'm surprised no one said - "Hey let's beam Sela out in a EVA suit, and have the Krenim timeship weapon shoot her, and do an incursion to see what happens IF she's removed..."
Easy. Everything you think you know will cease to exist, you and your entire race will never be born, then a new reality will emerge from the quantum haze.....
Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.
But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.
And Yar only did that because Picard let her.
Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
#BlamePicard
That still doesn't explain why the Federation and Romulan Republic are letting her walk free on Earth (on Star Fleet Academy grounds no less); and my character is stuck saying "you have a chance to be a better person..." <ugh>.
(Although with what the Alliance now knows, I'm surprised no one said - "Hey let's beam Sela out in a EVA suit, and have the Krenim timeship weapon shoot her, and do an incursion to see what happens IF she's removed..."
Easy. Everything you think you know will cease to exist, you and your entire race will never be born, then a new reality will emerge from the quantum haze.....
So, JJ Abrams Star Trek...(I'm okay with that)
Formerly known as Armsman from June 2008 to June 20, 2012 PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.
But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.
And Yar only did that because Picard let her.
Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
#BlamePicard
I disagree. The blame starts not with Picard, but with Guinan, even though Picard was the one to make the decision. If Guinan had not told or even suggested that Tasha was dead, she might not have gone over to the Enterprise-C, which resulted in her having Sela. I mentioned in another post that the blame doesn't solely belong to Guinan or Picard. Everyone who had contact with the alternate Tasha Yar, starting from Yesterday's Enterprise, as well as Sela up to the Midnight episode (this includes the player) is responsible for the destruction of Hobus and Romulus. I would like to point out that the Iconians had no knowledge of Romulans since they had not separated from the Vulcans at that point in time. The fact that T'Ket knew that Sela was a Romulan suggests that Kagran gave T'Ket that knowledge during his brief stay prior to the player and Sela arriving on Iconia. For whatever the reason, Kagran sealed the Romulans fate by exposing Sela.
Wow your last point and the Kagran angle is quite good. I was initially blaming Guinan and Shooter... only because she clued her into to her senseless death and he swooned her... Running off the die a good death with your new crush is quite compelling... However your point about the Iconian's knowledge of the Romulans is either a hole in the story... or dang... did Kagran blow it?
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Ah, young Padawans, you do not dig deep enough into your collective memories. This is really all Lt. Joe Tormolens fault. If he hadn't removed his glove, the events leading to the cold start of the engines propelling the Enterprise 71 hours into the past leading Spock to indicate that they now have a way to travel back in time would not have occured. And the rest as they say 'is history'.
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.
But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.
And Yar only did that because Picard let her.
Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
#BlamePicard
I disagree. The blame starts not with Picard, but with Guinan, even though Picard was the one to make the decision. If Guinan had not told or even suggested that Tasha was dead, she might not have gone over to the Enterprise-C, which resulted in her having Sela. I mentioned in another post that the blame doesn't solely belong to Guinan or Picard. Everyone who had contact with the alternate Tasha Yar, starting from Yesterday's Enterprise, as well as Sela up to the Midnight episode (this includes the player) is responsible for the destruction of Hobus and Romulus. I would like to point out that the Iconians had no knowledge of Romulans since they had not separated from the Vulcans at that point in time. The fact that T'Ket knew that Sela was a Romulan suggests that Kagran gave T'Ket that knowledge during his brief stay prior to the player and Sela arriving on Iconia. For whatever the reason, Kagran sealed the Romulans fate by exposing Sela.
Wow your last point and the Kagran angle is quite good. I was initially blaming Guinan and Shooter... only because she clued her into to her senseless death and he swooned her... Running off the die a good death with your new crush is quite compelling... However your point about the Iconian's knowledge of the Romulans is either a hole in the story... or dang... did Kagran blow it?
The fact T'Ket knew Sela was Romulan appears to be more of hole in the story than Kagran's fault. That being said, the idea that Kagran would give T'Ket that information is not too far-fetched. The destruction of the Romulan homeworld would put the Klingon Empire at an advantage against the Romulans, something J'mpok most likely intended keep by posting Kagran to the position.
Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.
But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.
And Yar only did that because Picard let her.
Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
#BlamePicard
That still doesn't explain why the Federation and Romulan Republic are letting her walk free on Earth (on Star Fleet Academy grounds no less); and my character is stuck saying "you have a chance to be a better person..." <ugh>.
(Although with what the Alliance now knows, I'm surprised no one said - "Hey let's beam Sela out in a EVA suit, and have the Krenim timeship weapon shoot her, and do an incursion to see what happens IF she's removed..."
Sela brought the cavalry to the fight and helped end the war by separating the World Heart from the Iconians, which you were able to give back the to them in exchange for peace. If the Iconians had taken the World Heart with them, the future that they existed would have ceased. She was needed to fulfill that part of the causality loop.
That being said, I believe that she could never go home or live among the Romulan people. She would become an exile like Garak. The Klingons would kill her in an instant. The Federation has a little more tolerance, and Starfleet would be able to utilize her knowledge. Thus, it is much more likely that she would be a free, but watched, person in the Federation.
Well, we can hardly get retribution for this on him, can we?
.... mainly because Spock shot him in the face.
He rises on the third day very pissed off. He's doing that fool me once, shame bit.
Fine. We get out T6 B'Rels and shoot him in the face again.
Ha! B'rel vs God. That's a challenge for a divinity right there.
Judges 1:19 would seem to edge on the side of the B'Rel.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Well, we can hardly get retribution for this on him, can we?
.... mainly because Spock shot him in the face.
He rises on the third day very pissed off. He's doing that fool me once, shame bit.
Fine. We get out T6 B'Rels and shoot him in the face again.
Ha! B'rel vs God. That's a challenge for a divinity right there.
Judges 1:19 would seem to edge on the side of the B'Rel.
Seriously? G-dog is really lame in that one. WTF gives?!!
Well at that point in the story that god was like the Norse ones, not omnipotent. It wasn't until later they added that in. Within the history it was written in anyway, not at that point in the story, that god was retconed to have been omnipotent all the way through, obviously that line slipped passed the editors.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.
But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.
And Yar only did that because Picard let her.
Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
#BlamePicard
I disagree. The blame starts not with Picard, but with Guinan, even though Picard was the one to make the decision. If Guinan had not told or even suggested that Tasha was dead, she might not have gone over to the Enterprise-C, which resulted in her having Sela. I mentioned in another post that the blame doesn't solely belong to Guinan or Picard. Everyone who had contact with the alternate Tasha Yar, starting from Yesterday's Enterprise, as well as Sela up to the Midnight episode (this includes the player) is responsible for the destruction of Hobus and Romulus. I would like to point out that the Iconians had no knowledge of Romulans since they had not separated from the Vulcans at that point in time. The fact that T'Ket knew that Sela was a Romulan suggests that Kagran gave T'Ket that knowledge during his brief stay prior to the player and Sela arriving on Iconia. For whatever the reason, Kagran sealed the Romulans fate by exposing Sela.
Wow your last point and the Kagran angle is quite good. I was initially blaming Guinan and Shooter... only because she clued her into to her senseless death and he swooned her... Running off the die a good death with your new crush is quite compelling... However your point about the Iconian's knowledge of the Romulans is either a hole in the story... or dang... did Kagran blow it?
The fact T'Ket knew Sela was Romulan appears to be more of hole in the story than Kagran's fault. That being said, the idea that Kagran would give T'Ket that information is not too far-fetched. The destruction of the Romulan homeworld would put the Klingon Empire at an advantage against the Romulans, something J'mpok most likely intended keep by posting Kagran to the position.
Our objective when we travelled back in time was to kill the last 12 Iconians instead of allowing them to flee the destruction of Iconia. Under this assumption there was no particular reason to hide the name of any species that would only be relevant 200,00 years later. The Iconian wouldn't live to see that day. Whatever he told the Iconians would be irrelevant if the mission was succesful. And it seems he contacted them under the pretense of diplomatic relations - which suggest that he had to make up a decent enough story for the Iconians to believe that. Inventing fictional characters and species and keeping them straight while doing so is a lot more risky then minimizing the amount of falsehoods you tell to sell your story.
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Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.
But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.
And Yar only did that because Picard let her.
Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
#BlamePicard
I disagree. The blame starts not with Picard, but with Guinan, even though Picard was the one to make the decision. If Guinan had not told or even suggested that Tasha was dead, she might not have gone over to the Enterprise-C, which resulted in her having Sela. I mentioned in another post that the blame doesn't solely belong to Guinan or Picard. Everyone who had contact with the alternate Tasha Yar, starting from Yesterday's Enterprise, as well as Sela up to the Midnight episode (this includes the player) is responsible for the destruction of Hobus and Romulus. I would like to point out that the Iconians had no knowledge of Romulans since they had not separated from the Vulcans at that point in time. The fact that T'Ket knew that Sela was a Romulan suggests that Kagran gave T'Ket that knowledge during his brief stay prior to the player and Sela arriving on Iconia. For whatever the reason, Kagran sealed the Romulans fate by exposing Sela.
The best means of gaining information from a captive is to make nice with the captive. Kagran probably had no idea he had given up any vital information.
On the other side. Maybe Kagran fore saw Sela becoming an issue after he had spent some time with the Iconians, two weeks is more than enough time to start questioning your mission, and dropped the dime on her.
Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.
But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.
And Yar only did that because Picard let her.
Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
#BlamePicard
I disagree. The blame starts not with Picard, but with Guinan, even though Picard was the one to make the decision. If Guinan had not told or even suggested that Tasha was dead, she might not have gone over to the Enterprise-C, which resulted in her having Sela. I mentioned in another post that the blame doesn't solely belong to Guinan or Picard. Everyone who had contact with the alternate Tasha Yar, starting from Yesterday's Enterprise, as well as Sela up to the Midnight episode (this includes the player) is responsible for the destruction of Hobus and Romulus. I would like to point out that the Iconians had no knowledge of Romulans since they had not separated from the Vulcans at that point in time. The fact that T'Ket knew that Sela was a Romulan suggests that Kagran gave T'Ket that knowledge during his brief stay prior to the player and Sela arriving on Iconia. For whatever the reason, Kagran sealed the Romulans fate by exposing Sela.
The best means of gaining information from a captive is to make nice with the captive. Kagran probably had no idea he had given up any vital information.
Exactly. Granted, I doubt the iconians even considered Kagran a captive. Maybe a strange or fascinating visitor coming from an unusual space anomaly.
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Well, who created Gene?
Well you see when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much...
Fine. We get out T6 B'Rels and shoot him in the face again.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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That explains the second child, but how does it work for the first one, when there are no mommy & daddy yet?
#BlameThePreservers
I disagree. The blame starts not with Picard, but with Guinan, even though Picard was the one to make the decision. If Guinan had not told or even suggested that Tasha was dead, she might not have gone over to the Enterprise-C, which resulted in her having Sela. I mentioned in another post that the blame doesn't solely belong to Guinan or Picard. Everyone who had contact with the alternate Tasha Yar, starting from Yesterday's Enterprise, as well as Sela up to the Midnight episode (this includes the player) is responsible for the destruction of Hobus and Romulus. I would like to point out that the Iconians had no knowledge of Romulans since they had not separated from the Vulcans at that point in time. The fact that T'Ket knew that Sela was a Romulan suggests that Kagran gave T'Ket that knowledge during his brief stay prior to the player and Sela arriving on Iconia. For whatever the reason, Kagran sealed the Romulans fate by exposing Sela.
That still doesn't explain why the Federation and Romulan Republic are letting her walk free on Earth (on Star Fleet Academy grounds no less); and my character is stuck saying "you have a chance to be a better person..." <ugh>.
(Although with what the Alliance now knows, I'm surprised no one said - "Hey let's beam Sela out in a EVA suit, and have the Krenim timeship weapon shoot her, and do an incursion to see what happens IF she's removed..."
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So, JJ Abrams Star Trek...(I'm okay with that)
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Wow your last point and the Kagran angle is quite good. I was initially blaming Guinan and Shooter... only because she clued her into to her senseless death and he swooned her... Running off the die a good death with your new crush is quite compelling... However your point about the Iconian's knowledge of the Romulans is either a hole in the story... or dang... did Kagran blow it?
My character Tsin'xing
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The fact T'Ket knew Sela was Romulan appears to be more of hole in the story than Kagran's fault. That being said, the idea that Kagran would give T'Ket that information is not too far-fetched. The destruction of the Romulan homeworld would put the Klingon Empire at an advantage against the Romulans, something J'mpok most likely intended keep by posting Kagran to the position.
Sela brought the cavalry to the fight and helped end the war by separating the World Heart from the Iconians, which you were able to give back the to them in exchange for peace. If the Iconians had taken the World Heart with them, the future that they existed would have ceased. She was needed to fulfill that part of the causality loop.
That being said, I believe that she could never go home or live among the Romulan people. She would become an exile like Garak. The Klingons would kill her in an instant. The Federation has a little more tolerance, and Starfleet would be able to utilize her knowledge. Thus, it is much more likely that she would be a free, but watched, person in the Federation.
The Enterprise-C only went forward in time because of Romulan weapons fire. #Karma
Yeah, but that was because Prime Trek had pretty much died so blame UPN and Nemesis for that.
Also I personally blame the old Romulan Star Empire for not executing Sela for her numerous frack ups in TNG.
Serious what kind of a idiot invades a planet inhabited by billions with an army of 2000.
I thought it was sly of you guys to throw in Kurland.
Judges 1:19 would seem to edge on the side of the B'Rel.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Well at that point in the story that god was like the Norse ones, not omnipotent. It wasn't until later they added that in. Within the history it was written in anyway, not at that point in the story, that god was retconed to have been omnipotent all the way through, obviously that line slipped passed the editors.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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You think that's bad? In Genesis 32:22 he loses a wrestling match with a puny human.
....
Now we know why God needed a starship.
The best means of gaining information from a captive is to make nice with the captive. Kagran probably had no idea he had given up any vital information.
On the other side. Maybe Kagran fore saw Sela becoming an issue after he had spent some time with the Iconians, two weeks is more than enough time to start questioning your mission, and dropped the dime on her.