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tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.

But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.

And Yar only did that because Picard let her.

Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

#BlamePicard
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.

    But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.

    And Yar only did that because Picard let her.

    Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

    #BlamePicard

    Which wouldn't have happened if Rachel Garrett hadn't let her ship get sucked into a temporal portal. ;)

    And that wouldn't have happened if the Romulans hadn't attacked Khitomer...though admittedly removing that attack possibly costs the peace with the Klingons. But who knows, maybe there could've been another way for the Feds to demonstrate their good faith to the Klingons if the attack never happened at all.

    I hear the sound of minds being blown. ;)

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  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    I think I'll blame the Romulans who thought that attacking Narendra III was a good idea. "Hey, I know a good idea! Let's take some territory away from the Klingons and dare them to start a war with us! Maybe the Federation peacelovers won't get involved."
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    Nice one, Taco. I take off my guacamole to you.
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  • ladytiamat666ladytiamat666 Member Posts: 276 Arc User
    According some rumors, everything bad in the universe is Geko's fault. I must have been ill-informed if it's picard's then.
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  • vorwodavorwoda Member Posts: 702 Arc User
    I think I'll blame whoever wrote the crappy "Skin of Evil". If Denise Crosby had had a decent exit the first time, nobody would have bothered writing Sela the eternal incompetent into the franchise in the first place.

    And please tell me why we couldn't have just given Sela to T'Ket at the end as part of the settlement? Or just shot her when she started shooting Iconians in the past? Even better, let's just do one more teensy Krenim incursion and erase her.
  • thegreendragoon1thegreendragoon1 Member Posts: 1,872 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.

    But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.

    And Yar only did that because Picard let her.

    Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

    #BlamePicard

    Isn't that a bit like blaming Hitler's grandparents for World War 2? You can always go back and find earlier causes. Heck, let's blame Archer for helping start that Federation thing. :tongue:
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    gulberat wrote: »
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.

    But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.

    And Yar only did that because Picard let her.

    Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

    #BlamePicard

    Which wouldn't have happened if Rachel Garrett hadn't let her ship get sucked into a temporal portal. ;)

    And that wouldn't have happened if the Romulans hadn't attacked Khitomer...though admittedly removing that attack possibly costs the peace with the Klingons. But who knows, maybe there could've been another way for the Feds to demonstrate their good faith to the Klingons if the attack never happened at all.

    I hear the sound of minds being blown. ;)

    them temporal causality loops and paradoxes are a TRIBBLE.

    if you want to see a "what come first the chicken or the egg" temporal causality loop movie check out "Predestination" its a whopper of a mind bender.

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  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    In the end, it's all the Big Bang's fault...
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.

    But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.

    And Yar only did that because Picard let her.

    Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

    #BlamePicard

    picard is the one who destroyed romulus...but but ..sela

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    But you then tasha yar and ...

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    but taco sela she she , she turned me into a newt ...

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    wait but you said picard was responsible?? O.O

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    picard destroyed romulus??

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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    I'd rather blame selective Iconian memory, that remembers when a Romulan does something bad for eternity, but not when a Romulan does something good.

  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    Fair point, tacofangs. Also - it could have easily been, say, Jarok depending on who hit the portal.

    Man, time travel.
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  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,219 Arc User
    tacofangs, that is like blaming the ice cream man for my ice cream headache.

    In fact, since this would absolve me of any guilt associated with the consequences of my own actions, I will do exactly that.

    Thanks, tacofangs, for teaching me the way of 'Passing The Buck'.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Yes, Sela may have caused the destruction of your homeworld.

    But remember, Sela wouldn't exist if Tasha Yar hadn't gone back in time with the Enterprise C.

    And Yar only did that because Picard let her.

    Romulus' destruction falls squarely on the shoulders of Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

    #BlamePicard

    You realize you've just put yourself at risk of orbital bombardment with a billion BIG RED ROMULAN BALLS OF DEATH by defending the halfwit Pretender, right? Right??

    And in response to other comments here and in other related threads, ...
    protogoth wrote: »
    I knew she was going to come riding in hoping to save the day and win everyone's gratitude and trust. And once we were back on ancient Iconia, I knew she was going to pull her usual treacherous BS. I kept trying to shoot her, again, push her off one of the platforms, even pummel her to death with my bare hands, but noooo, fate blah blah blah. And yes, the title of this thread was exactly the first thing that crossed my mind when the mission was over. Can we finally kill Sela? Even Hhakhifv didn't elicit this amount of hatred from me. And I didn't even get to re-arrest her at the end of the mission!? Holy Angelina Jolie!
    protogoth wrote: »
    I do not believe that her "remorse" is genuine. If it were, she would have followed Romulan tradition and committed honorable suicide. She has claimed at least two or three times that "everything" she did was "for the Romulan people," but anyone who believes that might be interested in a bridge which I have for sale in Earth's San Francisco, or a piece of oceanfront property in Earth's Kansas which I have listed with the realtor. Sela never cared about her "subjects" except as the steps on which she climbed. She has always cared only for herself. So letting her "live with the knowledge" blah blah blah, or letting her "live with the guilt" blah blah blah, is not punishment. And in the case of a narcissist, imprisonment, even in solitary confinement, would not serve as punishment. She is incorrigible, and incurably insane. Some mental illnesses cannot be healed, even in 2410, and rather than leave an opening for the deluded to rescue her at some future point, or give her hope of eventual escape, I would see her dead. While justice and vengeance are not coterminous, to claim that they never overlap would be presumptuous. Romulans and Remans should not be expected to share all of the same cultural values which (some) Humans hold, nor are a majority Romulans and Remans -- even those who are citizens of the Republic -- followers of Surakianism. T'Ket be damned; she has suffered nowhere near what we have suffered as a result of Sela. The people call for her blood. I would give it to them. Vive la Republic!

    My sword shall not rest from the killing of Tal'Shiar and Imperialists until it bathes in her lifeblood.

    And then I'll switch to a pistol ...
  • jbmaverickjbmaverick Member Posts: 935 Arc User
    Clearly this is all Surak's fault. If he hadn't pushed the logic of suppressing emotion, the separatists would never have went off to form the Romulans in the first place! #BlameSurak

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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,273 Arc User
    Wait a minute... the C was under attack by Romulans. Then timey wimey stuff happend... then they went back... got captured by Romulans... then she became a consort to some Romulan... then got executed by Romulans ... so her daughter was brought up by Romulans... so.. you know... clearly the Cardassians are to blame.
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    jbmaverick wrote: »
    Clearly this is all Surak's fault. If he hadn't pushed the logic of suppressing emotion, the separatists would never have went off to form the Romulans in the first place! #BlameSurak

    Which Surak would've never done if not for Vulcan's massive nuclear war.
    #BantheBomb
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    protogoth wrote: »

    My sword shall not rest from the killing of Tal'Shiar and Imperialists until it bathes in her lifeblood.

    And then I'll switch to a pistol ...

    Dear woman have you forgotten what it is to be romulan?

    Why soil your hands on a half breed incompetent fool ,when you can have someone else soil their hands for you, it doesnt matter how she meets her end dear lady....so long as sela meets it.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,409 Arc User
    I'll blame everything on Kurland here.
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  • rekurzionrekurzion Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    Guinan's fault for telling Tasha she didn't belong in that current timeline thus provoking her to want to leave.
  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    The Borg's fault for driving Guinan from her homeworld, provoking her into convincing Sela to find a better death.
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  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Wait a minute... the C was under attack by Romulans. Then timey wimey stuff happend... then they went back... got captured by Romulans... then she became a consort to some Romulan... then got executed by Romulans ... so her daughter was brought up by Romulans... so.. you know... clearly the Cardassians are to blame.
    Not to be a nitpicker, but Enterprise C was under attack by the Klingons in that episode. :P

    And no, Picard is not to blame for... anything, "Sir" Jean Luc Picard is a hero, and a credit to the human race.
    He can do no wrong :D

    And if you really want to point fingers, maybe we should be pointing them at Guinan :P
    She was the one who told Picard;

    "Jean-Luc Picard: How can I ask them to sacrifice themselves based solely on your intuition?
    Guinan: I don't know. But I do know that this is a mistake. Every fiber in my being says this is a mistake. I can't explain it to myself, so I can't explain it to you. I only know that I'm right.
    Jean-Luc Picard: Who is to say that this history is any less proper than the other?
    Guinan: I suppose I am.
    Jean-Luc Picard: Not good enough, damn it, not good enough! I will not ask them to die!
    Guinan: 40 billion people have already died. This war is not supposed to be happening. You've got to send those people back to correct this.
    Jean-Luc Picard: And what is to guarantee that if they go back, they will succeed? Every instinct is telling me this is wrong, it is dangerous, it is futile!
    Guinan: We've known each other a long time. You have never known me to impose myself on anyone, or take a stance based on trivial or whimsical perceptions. This timeline must not be allowed to continue. Now, I've told you what you must do. You have only your trust in me to help you decide to do it."

    Its all right there in print.
    Not only this, but she convinces Yar that she doesn't belong in this timeline and that she died a senseless death.
    This encourages her to ask to be sent back with the C.

    #Guinan'sUlteriorMotives

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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    mrspidey2 wrote: »
    In the end, it's all the Big Bang's fault...
    But Q did that for the lulz.
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    No, the C was under attack by Romulans in that episode. The alternate D, however, WAS under Klingon attack so you are right to remember Klingons in that episode.

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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    rekurzion wrote: »
    Guinan's fault for telling Tasha she didn't belong in that current timeline thus provoking her to want to leave.

    So it's Kirk's fault for saving Guinan, then our fault for saving Kirk, then the Borg's fault for getting us promoted fast enough to do that, then Janeway's fault for provoking the Borg, then the Caretaker's fault for flinging her there, then the Ocampa's fault for making him want to do that.

    Conclusion: #BlametheOcampa
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    gulberat wrote: »
    No, the C was under attack by Romulans in that episode. The alternate D, however, WAS under Klingon attack so you are right to remember Klingons in that episode.

    That's what I meant, the only ships we see attacking the C in that episode are Klingon ships.
    But yes in the C's time, they were defending a Klingon outpost from Romulans.
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  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    Actually...it falls on Guinan. Picard would never have sent her back and Tasha would have never wanted to do without her, so #BlameGuinan
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  • rekurzionrekurzion Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Actually it really points to Denise Crosby. Sela came from her mind as a suggestion to TNG
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    rekurzion wrote: »
    Actually it really points to Denise Crosby. Sela came from her mind as a suggestion to TNG

    #BlameCrosby
    ...I can live with that :)
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    rekurzion wrote: »
    Actually it really points to Denise Crosby. Sela came from her mind as a suggestion to TNG

    Which only happened because she left, therefore the blame rests on Maurice Hurley, for creating an environment toxic enough that it made many of the TNG actors, especially the female ones, want to leave (Denise Crosby and Gates McFadden for one season of course did).
    Given what I've heard of him, I'd gladly convict Maurice of war crimes.
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