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what did you make of the ending of the iconian war(Midnight)
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the ending of the iconian war was a bit of a anti climax i was hoping we were not going to go back to the past and we would defeat the iconians in the present in a proper battle but thats just me what do did you guys think was it what you expected
if not want would have been a better ending
if not want would have been a better ending
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It was the Trek way to end the war - by an act of compassion and cooperation. I think that's the only way a Star Trek story like this could have ended.
And in some way it's even better than the Dominion War ending - there the final act of compassion and cooperation was giving the Founders a cure against a disease we gave them (while standing on an already ruined Cardassia Prime). Here we genuinely helped them (despite our intial plans.)
If I had wanted to go further than just this particular predestination paradox, I would have made the "alliance of minor races" be the ships we send back in the past, to finish of the Iconians. (Maybe Sela's Dominion Forces arrive early and star the dirty work weeks ago, and Kagran and I save the 12 Iconians and the Iconian Orb...
A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
I'll probably try those options on my Romulan.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I'm so glad this is over and I hope Cryptic gives up any possible future idea of doing an 'epic' storyline.
I do wonder what will happen with the gateways. Apparantly they don't like it when other species are using them without their approval (which is probably why they also destroyed the gate on New Romulus). Yet we are still using gates to get to the Delta Quadrant and one of their Spheres.
I'm also curious what will happen to all the servitor species. Oh, and I hope there will be some Iconian babies soon. I don't want to go another species go extinct.
We come in peace, SHOOT TO KILL!
People talk about it feeling like a Trekish ending, with compassion. But yet how many Star Trek Movies ended with an epic battles to resolve the story?
WoK = Death of Khan
ST3 = Death of Kruge
ST5 = "Death of god"
ST6 = Death of Chang
Generations = Death of Soran
First Contact = Death of the Borg Queen
Insurrection = Death of Ru'afo
Nemesis = Death of Shinzon
This is what was expected with the Iconians (especially since this is an MMO). Not, "here's your ball back. Remember me? Let's talk."
Okay so eight movies where the villan died/was killed, against how many tv episodes where conflict was ended by compassion and cooperation? Because there's certainly more than eight of those.
Over all I liked this episode. It went much better than I had both hoped and feared it would. (And apparently my paranoia about Noye was unfounded, I apologise for that). Over all it felt far more like Star Trek than many of the game episodes and it was a nice lead in to the next season.
So this is an episode I won't mind grinding. (Which is good since I want most of the stuff on four different characters, but then that's me
What you want to look at isn't individual episodes but rather episodic arcs(baddies that span multiple episdoes) - Lore/Borg Queen/Etc. That'll be more in line with what were talking about here -- good try though.
Noye's story isn't over, I'm sure. But I am relieved he hasn't gone down the dark path, yet. I'd prefer to get to know the Krenim better before they become villains or allies.
I think the Vaadwaur arc was one of the best handlings of a villain in the game. We get various reasons to sympathize with them and even get invited to a state banquet with them before the fireworks erupt. (That said, the Bluegill plot doesn't really lead much of anywhere and it does suggest the Iconians were reawakening prior to TNG S2 if the Bluegills were servitors.)
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The fireworks and celebration seemed a little cheap right at that moment. I mean I know everyone would be happy the war was over, but the treaty was literally signed seconds ago. You are probably the only person (or at least one of the few) that knows about it, and being beamed down right then with fireworks? I'm not against celebrations with fireworks, but it just felt rushed.
I think it would fit better if you got beamed from the Iconian ship to the Federation Council first and everyone was there to go over the treaty and give everyone a chance to comment on where things will go from here. Then you walk out of the council and see the peace celebration with the fireworks going off. Just my two cents. I know it's an extra map transition and more voice work, but I think it would help with continuity a bit.
But I liked it right up until the last part. I give it 4 out of 5 stars. I would give it 5/5 if they touched up the ending like I suggested.
Other than that I really enjoyed the episode and its outcome. The last scene with Starfleet Academy and the display of fireworks was ridicoulus though. Why did everybody already know I had made peace with the Iconians? I haven't even returned from their bridge yet and they are already gathering on Earth to celebrate?
What Star Trek movies isn't Trekish enough? :P
Okay lets talk Trek TV.
Armus wasn't resolved through compassion, he killed Tasha and was left on that planet.
Lore's rebellion, well he was permanetly disassembled. Guess some would argue him not being melted down would be compassionate.
There was no compassion with the Borg (as a whole).
The TNG Pilot, Groppler Zorn wasn't compassionately saved. Picard left him to be tortured by the Jellyfish creatures.
Conspiracy, there was no Compassion with Commander Remmik. He got blown up even after muttering "we want peaceful coexistance"
Technically there was no Compassion after Picard after being tortured by the Cardassians and then freed. He basically gave them the middle finger.
TOS: There was no compassion for the Doomsday Device. Technically was a living machine that needed to feed on worlds.
There was no compassion for the Neural Parasites.
And I could go on talking about DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. The point is you only think it's compassionate, but yet not every resolution in Star Trek ended up as compassionate. If there was a real evil, it ended up destroyed, not saved through talk.
I indirectly blame Tasha Yar.
EDIT: We also learned that Kurland is still here XD
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
To be honest, I had hoped they were gong to retcon the Iconian war out of existence. After the Borg, the Undine and the Tholians, it's getting more than a bit silly that Starfleet just shrugs off the losses. That's the sort of thing that helped make Voyager bad.
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I came quite close to nailing the ending.
Pff. I blame Denise Crosby; she's the one who wanted off TNG partway through the first season, as I recall.
Yeah, because the writers refused to give their competent, brassy female security chief anything to actually do (besides Data).
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Haha true
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Holy cats, you're right! It's a conspiracy decades in the making!
Seriously, though, this is the first episode in a long time that I thought really captured the spirit of Star Trek, as other have noted. Though...
The one thing I did not like was the line where the Iconian (l'miren or something) basically said oh snap, I remember you now. And how did T'ket know Sela was Romulan? So he remembered that, and it is logical to assume that he remembered Sela personally. That would explain why she was specifically captured and why the Iconians specifically targeted Romulans.
Yet they don't remember the human and the Klingon? Especially in the case of Kagran who lived among them for a bit.
I don't like it, especially considering how they held the other in such esteem.
So we give them their ball back, they say my bad, then cue cheesy firework scene.
It wasn't bad, the ending was as good as can be considering the circumstances (this being an MMO, the previous episodes, etc)
Coming from the writing team that had the Klingons repeating the exact same behavior as in the lead-up to the Dominion War, forgot that the Jouret system is Federation territory rather than Romulan territory, and produced "House Pegh", and thought that erasing a single transwarp conduit would somehow reboot an entire timeline, I'm honestly not surprised at the logical fail anymore.
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To be fair, L'Miren and T'Ket only saw the PC for like 30 seconds in the middle of a group of soldiers that killed M'Tara, 200 millennia after we met the first time, so I can understand their...forgetfulness. And during the war, M'Tara only ever saw the PC in the middle of large groups.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Probably because of Kagran spilling the Beans in True Klingon Fashion