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  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    We're definitely seeing T'ket again. They all but fired that gun. :tongue:

    The episode was pretty nice, barring a few logical inconsistencies. (Why don't we go back in time again, stop Sela's revenge, and prevent the war from ever happening? Or at the very least ask the Iconians to let us take the World Heart to an earlier version of themselves, before Hobus/House Pegh/Broken Circle or something?) Those might have been there solely for gameplay reasons, though - so as to avoid wiping Season 10 or earlier content.

    Oh, and Kurland was a pretty nice joke there. :grin:

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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    gulberat wrote: »
    I dare you to say that in the Gaeltacht. ;)

    Oh, I think I'll be fine. They don't have computers over there, I think they rub sheep together to communicate :*.​​

    the irish language is really nice, and at least you speak your language. i'm not able to speak my real language (Breton) ;)

    Midnight is a good mission
    But I am so glad that story arc is finally over.

    yes, me too.
  • cmdrwhitneycmdrwhitney Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    gurluas wrote: »
    Wow.
    That was a Trek-ish ending. Enjoyed the climactic fight around Sol, was blaring "Mars, Bringer of War" on my speakers, and the right parts kicked in at the right moments. :D Seeing what the Iconians were was pretty awesome too. And they've managed to develop Sela into quite an interesting villain. I wonder what's next for her. Probably a war crimes tribunal on a massive scale. I WOULD hope this would change her perspective, I like the character, but I can't speak for the rest of the Federation, RR, and least of all other players. I mean, she MADE T'Ket what she is. And got the personal grudge against the Romulans going. That's what revenge gets you.

    Now, I also find it a little too predictable that the whole "closed time loop" thing did happen. I'm hoping for better in the next season. Come on, writers! I know you can do it, just think of something unexpected.

    I think we'll be seeing T'ket again in the near future...
    Sort of. T'ket seemed dark and corrupt the moment you met her. Willing to let her people die for being weak.
    That crossed my mind a second ago, but you got there first. ;) Good catch. Sela took that darkness in T'Ket and pointed squarely at her people, more or less.
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    i'm just disappointed by 1 thing: a new space set. i would have preferred an herald weapon or an herald ground kit. but the best reward would have been the revamp of the obelisk carrier or another solanae ship.
  • farshorefarshore Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    I really enjoyed not being Admiral Murder Mckill Slaughterwaski for once.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,164 Arc User
    i'm just disappointed by 1 thing: a new space set. i would have preferred an herald weapon or an herald ground kit. but the best reward would have been the revamp of the obelisk carrier or another solanae ship.

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  • cmdrwhitneycmdrwhitney Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    We could see those sometime in the future. The door's still open.
  • alfred399alfred399 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    Not to nitpick too much (this was a very, very well done episode IMO) but....
    How did T'Ket know Sela was a Romulan, given Romulans were still Vulcans 200k years ago?
  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    We WILL see that lockbox, but nonetheless the space set looks interesting to me, I like the passive resist bonus, looks like a good set for a tank.
  • ladytiamat666ladytiamat666 Member Posts: 276 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    I enjoyed this mission of Star Babylon 5. I have only one thing to say
    I'm a member of the Whole not born of iconian. My Name is Valen. We have much work ahead of us to bring peace to this galaxy.
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  • gurluasgurluas Member Posts: 464 Arc User
    alfred399 wrote: »
    Not to nitpick too much (this was a very, very well done episode IMO) but....
    How did T'Ket know Sela was a Romulan, given Romulans were still Vulcans 200k years ago?
    This was a nitpick I noticed as well.. I assume something happened offscreen where we told them our species.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    thay8472 wrote: »
    i'm just disappointed by 1 thing: a new space set. i would have preferred an herald weapon or an herald ground kit. but the best reward would have been the revamp of the obelisk carrier or another solanae ship.

    *Noise* Herald Lockbox *Noise*
    That'd be a nice one, like a beginning of
    apology and atonement from L'Miren and a loophole to what she said: "I won't stand against my sister... However, feel free to use my ships to do it yourselves!". Besides, leaks mention a Herald lockbox already, so... Dibs on the Heavy Raider!
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,164 Arc User
    thay8472 wrote: »
    i'm just disappointed by 1 thing: a new space set. i would have preferred an herald weapon or an herald ground kit. but the best reward would have been the revamp of the obelisk carrier or another solanae ship.

    *Noise* Herald Lockbox *Noise*
    That'd be a nice one, like a beginning of
    apology and atonement from L'Miren. Besides, leaks mention a Herald lockbox already, so... Dibs on the Heavy Raider!

    dude... the picture in your signature is awesome.
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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    Yeah, very nice mission all in all. However, is someone around the campfire not facing serious charges still?
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  • arachnaasarachnaas Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    How did T'Ket know Sela was a Romulan, given Romulans were still Vulcans 200k years ago?
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    That is a bit of a grey spot. I would guess that Kagran explained a few things.

    We WILL see that lockbox, but nonetheless the space set looks interesting to me, I like the passive resist bonus, looks like a good set for a tank.

    Hoping for the Herald lockbox too. T'Ket's polearm would be really nice, as would some more bits for the Iconian vest outfit. Those hoses that hang from M'Tara's waist would be neat.

  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    thay8472 wrote: »
    thay8472 wrote: »
    i'm just disappointed by 1 thing: a new space set. i would have preferred an herald weapon or an herald ground kit. but the best reward would have been the revamp of the obelisk carrier or another solanae ship.

    *Noise* Herald Lockbox *Noise*
    That'd be a nice one, like a beginning of
    apology and atonement from L'Miren. Besides, leaks mention a Herald lockbox already, so... Dibs on the Heavy Raider!

    dude... the picture in your signature is awesome.

    Thanks, I picked the right artist for that commission. The Iconians need more love on the Internet. Though the mug will push some buttons among purists. XD
    Yeah, very nice mission all in all. However, is someone around the campfire not facing serious charges still?
    Soon... as soon as her probable
    Dominion
    diplomatic immunity is revoked...
    Though, if I could choose, I'd put her in a lockbox and send her to T'Ket with a "no hard feelings, now?" note.
    #TASforSTO
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  • alfred399alfred399 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    arachnaas wrote: »
    How did T'Ket know Sela was a Romulan, given Romulans were still Vulcans 200k years ago?

    That is a bit of a grey spot. I would guess that Kagran explained a few things.

    That'd make sense actually

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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    alfred399 wrote: »
    arachnaas wrote: »
    How did T'Ket know Sela was a Romulan, given Romulans were still Vulcans 200k years ago?

    That is a bit of a grey spot. I would guess that Kagran explained a few things.

    That'd make sense actually
    Kagran: "Excuse me, Iconian, but haven't you seen a Romulan? Green-blooded lady, 2 eyes, about that short, very bad temper, all "holier than thou" attitude, extravagant clothes, makes you want to punch her in the face whenever she opens her mouth?"

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  • rakija879rakija879 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    Kurland here?
  • farshorefarshore Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    alfred399 wrote: »
    Not to nitpick too much (this was a very, very well done episode IMO) but....
    How did T'Ket know Sela was a Romulan, given Romulans were still Vulcans 200k years ago?

    Kagran probably described the other members of our expedition to the Iconians while trying to locate us. We're lucky he neglected to mention that she was half human.

  • cers001cers001 Member Posts: 286 Arc User
    My review;

    7/10

    Somewhat of a decent end to the arc but not spectacular; for this I would say it’s the end of a season like the Delta rising season but NOT a fitting ending to STO’s first story arc;

    There is two glaring mistakes in the story: the Klingons became worriers because of Kahless united the Klingons and defeat Molar that’s when they became worriers

    The Romulans didn’t exist 200,000 years ago they were all Vulcans and they didn’t have warp drive oh and Romulus wasn’t colonized at that time so….major TRIBBLE up
    No signing of the treaty or nothing

    It explains why: The Iconians had so much hatred to the Romulans


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  • forthegamerforthegamer Member Posts: 177 Arc User
    Can I just point out that everyone's going to need to work together after this mess?
    In the final battle of the Iconians, there's a message stating that there's only 600 ships combined for the Iconians that are strictly Alliance based. Meaning that it makes entire sense now as to why everyone flies ships of other species. It is better to borrow or use what's already available than just our own.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    farshore wrote: »
    alfred399 wrote: »
    Not to nitpick too much (this was a very, very well done episode IMO) but....
    How did T'Ket know Sela was a Romulan, given Romulans were still Vulcans 200k years ago?
    Kagran probably described the other members of our expedition to the Iconians while trying to locate us. We're lucky he neglected to mention that she was half human.
    I dunno... the Iconians seem almost as intent on killing humans as Romulans.

    Now we have yet another reason to question Klingon intelligence. :p
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    farshore wrote: »
    alfred399 wrote: »
    Not to nitpick too much (this was a very, very well done episode IMO) but....
    How did T'Ket know Sela was a Romulan, given Romulans were still Vulcans 200k years ago?
    Kagran probably described the other members of our expedition to the Iconians while trying to locate us. We're lucky he neglected to mention that she was half human.
    I dunno... the Iconians seem almost as intent on killing humans as Romulans.

    Now we have yet another reason to question Klingon intelligence. :p
    Well, among possibilities:
    -the USS Yamato discovered Iconia, so it may have been seen as disturbing the rest of those who died there
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    M'tara and L'miren, after scanning the protagonists, found out Sela was a human-romulan hybrid (or discovered the name of the species many years later) and T'Ket wanted them both out of the equation first as a Romulan-Human crippled her sister (and is probably the reason L'Miren doesn't have legs anymore)

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  • gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,579 Arc User
    was any one else
    hoping you could kill sela as soon as she drew her weapon?
    all in all i liked the fact we where not we come in peace shoot to kill

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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    gurluas wrote: »
    Wow.
    That was a Trek-ish ending. Enjoyed the climactic fight around Sol, was blaring "Mars, Bringer of War" on my speakers, and the right parts kicked in at the right moments. :D Seeing what the Iconians were was pretty awesome too. And they've managed to develop Sela into quite an interesting villain. I wonder what's next for her. Probably a war crimes tribunal on a massive scale. I WOULD hope this would change her perspective, I like the character, but I can't speak for the rest of the Federation, RR, and least of all other players. I mean, she MADE T'Ket what she is. And got the personal grudge against the Romulans going. That's what revenge gets you.

    Now, I also find it a little too predictable that the whole "closed time loop" thing did happen. I'm hoping for better in the next season. Come on, writers! I know you can do it, just think of something unexpected.

    I think we'll be seeing T'ket again in the near future...
    Sort of. T'ket seemed dark and corrupt the moment you met her. Willing to let her people die for being weak.
    That crossed my mind a second ago, but you got there first. ;) Good catch. Sela took that darkness in T'Ket and pointed squarely at her people, more or less.
    Seeing as how Romulans didn't exist 200,000 years ago, I'm guessing Sela let it slip at some point what she was. Imagine if she'd just told them she was Vulcan! It would have saved a lot of grief.

    Also, the Iconians may be intelligent but they aren't especially bright if they've had a grudge for Romulans longer than Romulans existed.

    Incidentally, the whole plot here is not terribly unlike the aborted Star Trek: Planet of The Titans feature film, which was being developed at one point prior to TMP. (With a Ralph MacQuarrie Enterprise design, done pre-Star Wars, which was almost a Star Destroyer prototype. That ship did later show up in TNG in a few junkyards.)
  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    I loved this. And that Iconian bridge is extremely nifty. Can I have that?

    That being said...thank you Sela. Thank you for turning T'Ket into a genocidal jerk. Thank you for destroying the Romulan Star Empire and most of all...thank you for the JJVerse.
    May you die a slow, horrible and painful death.
    Also, I'm glad they did not hit the reset button.
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  • aristocratsupremaristocratsuprem Member Posts: 69 Arc User
    I'm just about to begin my first foray into "Midnight". Is it appropos to say "And now the Conclusion" in a Majel Barret voice before starting it?
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    I'm derailing the Iconion thread, oh well...
    artan42 wrote: »
    gulberat wrote: »
    I dare you to say that in the Gaeltacht. ;)

    Oh, I think I'll be fine. They don't have computers over there, I think they rub sheep together to communicate :*.

    the irish language is really nice, and at least you speak your language. i'm not able to speak my real language (Breton) ;)

    I speak it after a fashion, but despite the name (Artan) I'm not actually Irish myself. I have a friend who speaks Welsh and can apparently understand or get by in Breton as they are related languages.​​
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