Nothing against Cryptic, but to me, they were just better off being as a mystery race, always working in the background. I don't think any amount of good writing would have done them any justice.
True. If you left The Iconians out of the equation and have The Heralds as the big bad the arc may not have attracted as much criticism as it has around here. When it comes to winning the war your actions would indirectly cause the downfall of The Iconians, like for example we destroy the Herald Sphere which in turn triggers some sort of chain reaction that wipes 'em all out or something.
I completely disagree. WoW story writing sucks TRIBBLE compared to what we get in STO. The episodes we get aren't that bad. I played WoW pre-Cata and it was bad even back then. Post-Cata it's gotten dumbed down to the point where I couldn't bear to go back even if I wanted to. Playing in some zones is as mentally appealing as watching teletubbies with a bunch of five year olds.
Yes, most episodes are decent enough. Except for Butterfly Effect which I must stress again is ridiculously awful.
However, as I've pointed out, the overall narrative has been a complete failure, and their attempts to make up for the failed in-game storyline with these external "Tales from the War" short stories makes it all seem like some sort of parody.
Oh gee, there's a desperate war going on with systems being lost, lives on the line and desperate nations of the brink of defeat? Hey that sounds like a great game. Wish I could play it!
The whole Iconian war has objectively failed to live up to it's own promises, or to even feel like a war rather than an incidental skirmish against hammy overdressed aliens who are about as much of a threat to the Federation as the Kingdom of Equestria.
I wish STO had MORE episodes, as that would let them go more in-depth with the story but as long as players keep complaining about them there is little motivation for them to make more. They have to shorten things to fit within the timeframe allotted to us. They are doing good with what they have. IMO if you want better story in the Iconian arc, you should be requesting more Iconian episodes.
I don't necesarrily need more episodes. I need better episodes. Far better than Butterfly Effect, which, let me say again, is horrible trash and whoever wrote it should be sat down and forced to watch Year of Hell until they understand how to write a story about time alteration.
Of course, other episodes have heavy flaws too, such as the episode before last, where M'Tara dies of chronic stupidity. We need better quality episodes. Not more crappy ones.
This goes back even to the Borg story arc. Everyone and their mother (except me) hates the Borg. Ever since I started playing years ago we have had only 5 Borg episodes. I would bet they don't feel compelled to expand upon that given how unpopular they are. Personally I would love to see like 20 Borg episodes - I think we should have a full-featured 20+episode arc for every story arc in the game. This gives them much more room to tell a compelling story.
If you think you can do better there's always the Foundry. Most foundry missions aren't nearly as good as the official missions. Granted I have seen a few exceptions, but for the most part Foundry missions come up short of Cryptic's work.
Say what now? People don't hate the Borg. People love the Borg. People hate how stupid, weak and cheesy Voyager (and arguably First Contact) made them.
Stop bullshitting me. This community overwhelming HATES the Borg. I've seen enough pages of hate on these forums the past few years to fill a damned library with it.
You can only tell so much story in a single episode. Want better story? Ask for more episodes. Butterfly wasn't that bad, but again if you think you can do better - the Foundry is right there. Can't do better? Shut up.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Stop bullshitting me. This community overwhelming HATES the Borg. I've seen enough pages of hate on these forums the past few years to fill a damned library with it.
There's only one person bullshitting here and it ain't me.
You can only tell so much story in a single episode. Want better story? Ask for more episodes. Butterfly wasn't that bad, but again if you think you can do better - the Foundry is right there. Can't do better? Shut up.
It's called quality over quantity. I've already explained how I'd do Butterfly better. I don't need the Foundry to explain why Butterfly is objectively terrible.
I've laid out exactly what's wrong with it, and even stated one way to fix part of it. All it's defenders like you have done is take it personally for some reason and rant on about the Foundry. The Foundry is irrelevant to this conversation, so stop trying to disingenuously evade the simple point I'm making.
If you can't do that, then shut up and stop wasting my time.
... But yes, there are massive instances of inconsistency in canon Star Trek episodes that can't just be handwaved away.
This is bound to happen with a franchise born in 1966 with six episodic iterations, as many movies, and gods-know how many producers, creative consultants and writers along the way.
If Gene Roddenberry kept (and passed down) the same control as George Lucas did with his creation, perhaps there would have been fewer inconsistencies.
All things considered, I don't think "Star Trek" has done too badly over the many years... especially in instances where they've tried to explain (cover-up?) things like "human-looking Klingons".
Stop bullshitting me. This community overwhelming HATES the Borg. I've seen enough pages of hate on these forums the past few years to fill a damned library with it.
There's only one person bullshitting here and it ain't me.
You can only tell so much story in a single episode. Want better story? Ask for more episodes. Butterfly wasn't that bad, but again if you think you can do better - the Foundry is right there. Can't do better? Shut up.
It's called quality over quantity. I've already explained how I'd do Butterfly better. I don't need the Foundry to explain why Butterfly is objectively terrible.
I've laid out exactly what's wrong with it, and even stated one way to fix part of it. All it's defenders like you have done is take it personally for some reason and rant on about the Foundry. The Foundry is irrelevant to this conversation, so stop trying to disingenuously evade the simple point I'm making.
If you can't do that, then shut up and stop wasting my time.
To believe that the main plot this whole time, in the last five years goes back to Iconians is unbelievable in my book.
I think Cryptic came to conclusion that they wanted to tie everything in with the Iconian in Season 9 when the first Iconian showed herself (Think it was season 9), Cryptic has since then just pulled the story that Iconians is the main reason of almost all conflicts.
The secret of making a power enemy is to make them undefeatable, though it goes against MMO "rules"; The player must win.
On the Butterfly note: Don't think the episode was bad, perhaps a matter of taste.. just glad it was not 2800-series Bajor mission, because that mission was awful!
So what's this technological advantage that they are scrambling to bring into the field? It can't be the Krenim weapon as that one has already been used and afterwards everyone was all "Eh, let's not do that again..."
If the temporal prime directive is being invoked, it has to be another form of time travel.
I think we're going back to participate in the bombardment of Iconia only to realize the Iconians weren't so bad at the time. We'll save a hand few of them and become known as The Other in their culture. When they realize who we are present day, they'll ease up. L'Miren will kill T'Ket.
Beyond that, I think we'll have some involvement with Walker and his 29th century ship the Pastak.
And we'll be given the means by Walker to save the Iconians.
We know the Mirror Universe got 29th century aid defeating their Iconians including a 29th century Temporal Dreadnought Carrier, gifted to them by their future selves. I think we will as well, although we might get a slightly different carrier.
Heck, my prediction is:
We'll get a 30 day login event to unlock the Prime Universe Temporal Carrier (which will be sold later for Lobi with console and available in Fleet quality without console) and the Mirror Temporal Dreadnought will be introduced as a lockbox ship, probably in a Mirror Universe themed lockbox. Able to equip old timeship consoles, MAYBE Krenim consoles, and with a new synergy bonus for owners of the Lobi/Event T6 Temporal Science Carrier and Terran Temporal Dreadnought carrier.
somehow, this seems far too in depth to be false.
IKR...
If this will be the case for the story, it will be soo much bad writing.
This "The Other" been the player is such a forced concept I didnt even saw it coming. I mean, for someone to be included in the iconians culture at that level of bonding (remember the rabling in the console from that instalation in house of pegh and the "chanting" of the all the iconians where you observe them time-phased), wouldve needed some time... A bond like that, to even create "A whole" for your culture, required respect, consideration, knowking "the other" well, all wich are gained thru considerable amount of time... But what bond in Q's name can they create so fast with a totaly alien stranger (yes I know its a bit too much that expresion :P). Becouse none of the playable races werent even known to the iconoans 200k years ago. Yes, it would've been mentioned maybe, with apreciation, as a "Savior" or something, but not integrated at this level in their culture/civilisation. Really terrible writings and totaly illogical.
Bah... anyway, cant wait for those temporal dreads, they looks so awesome on tribble in the counterpoint STF.
Stop bullshitting me. This community overwhelming HATES the Borg. I've seen enough pages of hate on these forums the past few years to fill a damned library with it.
There's only one person bullshitting here and it ain't me.
You can only tell so much story in a single episode. Want better story? Ask for more episodes. Butterfly wasn't that bad, but again if you think you can do better - the Foundry is right there. Can't do better? Shut up.
It's called quality over quantity. I've already explained how I'd do Butterfly better. I don't need the Foundry to explain why Butterfly is objectively terrible.
I've laid out exactly what's wrong with it, and even stated one way to fix part of it. All it's defenders like you have done is take it personally for some reason and rant on about the Foundry. The Foundry is irrelevant to this conversation, so stop trying to disingenuously evade the simple point I'm making.
If you can't do that, then shut up and stop wasting my time.
To believe that the main plot this whole time, in the last five years goes back to Iconians is unbelievable in my book.
I think Cryptic came to conclusion that they wanted to tie everything in with the Iconian in Season 9 when the first Iconian showed herself (Think it was season 9), Cryptic has since then just pulled the story that Iconians is the main reason of almost all conflicts.
The secret of making a power enemy is to make them undefeatable, though it goes against MMO "rules"; The player must win.
On the Butterfly note: Don't think the episode was bad, perhaps a matter of taste.. just glad it was not 2800-series Bajor mission, because that mission was awful!
Just to be clear, I have no issue with the structure of Butterfly. In that regard it is superior to the utter banality of Of Bajor or Boldly They Rode. My only issue is with the writing, which I consider the worst of STO. Even worse than the idiot plot of Divide et Imperia.
I completely disagree. WoW story writing sucks TRIBBLE compared to what we get in STO. The episodes we get aren't that bad. I played WoW pre-Cata and it was bad even back then. Post-Cata it's gotten dumbed down to the point where I couldn't bear to go back even if I wanted to. Playing in some zones is as mentally appealing as watching teletubbies with a bunch of five year olds.
I wish STO had MORE episodes, as that would let them go more in-depth with the story but as long as players keep complaining about them there is little motivation for them to make more. They have to shorten things to fit within the timeframe allotted to us. They are doing good with what they have. IMO if you want better story in the Iconian arc, you should be requesting more Iconian episodes.
This goes back even to the Borg story arc. Everyone and their mother (except me) hates the Borg. Ever since I started playing years ago we have had only 5 Borg episodes. I would bet they don't feel compelled to expand upon that given how unpopular they are. Personally I would love to see like 20 Borg episodes - I think we should have a full-featured 20+episode arc for every story arc in the game. This gives them much more room to tell a compelling story.
If you think you can do better there's always the Foundry. Most foundry missions aren't nearly as good as the official missions. Granted I have seen a few exceptions, but for the most part Foundry missions come up short of Cryptic's work.
Everyone is different. I played WoW from before BC came out until MOP came out. The story was very nice and well thought out. Now some stories was horrible you will get that. For STO, I saw many good stories and some crappy ones. The worst is the Iconian Fiasco Arc. And for WoW Cata was some of the worst.
Next instead of bringing a good game story, they rather do Blogs, to tell how bad the war is. But you don't see nothing in the game. Both WoW and STO is bad about this. They bring out lore stories to add to it, but you never see any reference to them in game. WoW is better at it comparing to STO's Iconian Fiasco War, but like most I rather see it in game. Not having to read outside sources to make it more complete. If you going to bring outside sources to a game. They need to show it. If not, then is just a bunch of junk. Just like these "Fake War Blogs".
Borg, I love fighting them. I'm doing the Omega Rep now after many times refusing to do it. While I'm waiting out the rest of the Iconian FEs to come out, so I can blast through them and get them over with.
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You won't have to wait long. Though with all these announcements and still no date established as to when it's going to happen, Midnight, the final episode may not even happen this Thursday.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Nor anything about scheduled maintenance or release notes, but this might be related to Trendy being somewhat absent I think? I hope it comes out tomorrow though, I could use a good featured episode as a distraction then.
Edit: I see a notice about maintenance on the launcher, so hopefully we are getting it!
Not like it matters anyway, STO has zero impact on Star Trek itself. If another movie or show came in around the same time line as STO, it'd be all but ignored.
At least Star Trek confirmed itself to be part of a multiverse so all expanded universe content and reboots can remain their own canon even in spite of contradictions.
Aside from JJ Trek, Star Trek parallel universes have only existed to close the loop on themselves. And my hope is, JJ Trek will do the same one day.
A guy can dream.
That isn't correct, I'm afraid. You may want to rewatch the Mirror Universe episodes as well as "Parallels."
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Aside from JJ Trek, Star Trek parallel universes have only existed to close the loop on themselves. And my hope is, JJ Trek will do the same one day.
A guy can dream.
That isn't correct, I'm afraid. You may want to rewatch the Mirror Universe episodes as well as "Parallels."
I misspoke.
I meant to suggest that the Parallel Universes that are confirmed to exist as a result of time travel... We don't know where the Mirror Universe came from. And we don't know if the parallel universes from Parallels continued to exist after the timeline was restored by Worf's reunion with the proper Enterprise.
Pretty much guaranteed that the Iconians are in a closed timeloop.
Sound very Doctor Who-ish.
To do it properly, we'll need The Great Key of Time, a robot dog, and a Demat Gun to put those Sontari... - I mean those Iconians in there place.
We do need a Demat gun, Mk XX super epic. And looking exactly like the perspex water cooler it's probably made from .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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True. If you left The Iconians out of the equation and have The Heralds as the big bad the arc may not have attracted as much criticism as it has around here. When it comes to winning the war your actions would indirectly cause the downfall of The Iconians, like for example we destroy the Herald Sphere which in turn triggers some sort of chain reaction that wipes 'em all out or something.
Stop bullshitting me. This community overwhelming HATES the Borg. I've seen enough pages of hate on these forums the past few years to fill a damned library with it.
You can only tell so much story in a single episode. Want better story? Ask for more episodes. Butterfly wasn't that bad, but again if you think you can do better - the Foundry is right there. Can't do better? Shut up.
There's only one person bullshitting here and it ain't me.
It's called quality over quantity. I've already explained how I'd do Butterfly better. I don't need the Foundry to explain why Butterfly is objectively terrible.
I've laid out exactly what's wrong with it, and even stated one way to fix part of it. All it's defenders like you have done is take it personally for some reason and rant on about the Foundry. The Foundry is irrelevant to this conversation, so stop trying to disingenuously evade the simple point I'm making.
If you can't do that, then shut up and stop wasting my time.
This is bound to happen with a franchise born in 1966 with six episodic iterations, as many movies, and gods-know how many producers, creative consultants and writers along the way.
If Gene Roddenberry kept (and passed down) the same control as George Lucas did with his creation, perhaps there would have been fewer inconsistencies.
All things considered, I don't think "Star Trek" has done too badly over the many years... especially in instances where they've tried to explain (cover-up?) things like "human-looking Klingons".
Cheers, everyone!
To believe that the main plot this whole time, in the last five years goes back to Iconians is unbelievable in my book.
I think Cryptic came to conclusion that they wanted to tie everything in with the Iconian in Season 9 when the first Iconian showed herself (Think it was season 9), Cryptic has since then just pulled the story that Iconians is the main reason of almost all conflicts.
The secret of making a power enemy is to make them undefeatable, though it goes against MMO "rules"; The player must win.
On the Butterfly note: Don't think the episode was bad, perhaps a matter of taste.. just glad it was not 2800-series Bajor mission, because that mission was awful!
IKR...
If this will be the case for the story, it will be soo much bad writing.
This "The Other" been the player is such a forced concept I didnt even saw it coming. I mean, for someone to be included in the iconians culture at that level of bonding (remember the rabling in the console from that instalation in house of pegh and the "chanting" of the all the iconians where you observe them time-phased), wouldve needed some time... A bond like that, to even create "A whole" for your culture, required respect, consideration, knowking "the other" well, all wich are gained thru considerable amount of time... But what bond in Q's name can they create so fast with a totaly alien stranger (yes I know its a bit too much that expresion :P). Becouse none of the playable races werent even known to the iconoans 200k years ago. Yes, it would've been mentioned maybe, with apreciation, as a "Savior" or something, but not integrated at this level in their culture/civilisation. Really terrible writings and totaly illogical.
Bah... anyway, cant wait for those temporal dreads, they looks so awesome on tribble in the counterpoint STF.
Just to be clear, I have no issue with the structure of Butterfly. In that regard it is superior to the utter banality of Of Bajor or Boldly They Rode. My only issue is with the writing, which I consider the worst of STO. Even worse than the idiot plot of Divide et Imperia.
Everyone is different. I played WoW from before BC came out until MOP came out. The story was very nice and well thought out. Now some stories was horrible you will get that. For STO, I saw many good stories and some crappy ones. The worst is the Iconian Fiasco Arc. And for WoW Cata was some of the worst.
Next instead of bringing a good game story, they rather do Blogs, to tell how bad the war is. But you don't see nothing in the game. Both WoW and STO is bad about this. They bring out lore stories to add to it, but you never see any reference to them in game. WoW is better at it comparing to STO's Iconian Fiasco War, but like most I rather see it in game. Not having to read outside sources to make it more complete. If you going to bring outside sources to a game. They need to show it. If not, then is just a bunch of junk. Just like these "Fake War Blogs".
Borg, I love fighting them. I'm doing the Omega Rep now after many times refusing to do it. While I'm waiting out the rest of the Iconian FEs to come out, so I can blast through them and get them over with.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Excellent idea! More bark, less bite!
Nor anything about scheduled maintenance or release notes, but this might be related to Trendy being somewhat absent I think? I hope it comes out tomorrow though, I could use a good featured episode as a distraction then.
Edit: I see a notice about maintenance on the launcher, so hopefully we are getting it!
To do it properly, we'll need The Great Key of Time, a robot dog, and a Demat Gun to put those Sontari... - I mean those Iconians in there place.
At least Star Trek confirmed itself to be part of a multiverse so all expanded universe content and reboots can remain their own canon even in spite of contradictions.
A guy can dream.
That isn't correct, I'm afraid. You may want to rewatch the Mirror Universe episodes as well as "Parallels."
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I misspoke.
I meant to suggest that the Parallel Universes that are confirmed to exist as a result of time travel... We don't know where the Mirror Universe came from. And we don't know if the parallel universes from Parallels continued to exist after the timeline was restored by Worf's reunion with the proper Enterprise.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9544033-star-trek-online:-release-notes:-september-10,-2015
We do need a Demat gun, Mk XX super epic. And looking exactly like the perspex water cooler it's probably made from
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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At least, there is some "rum*cough*leaks*cough*ors" the final reward will be a
http://www.arcgames.com/de/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9541833-neue-episode:-mitternacht-woche-1
It's a deflector with shield and hull healing bonuses. Additional rewards are the title "Peacemaker" and an Iconian Vest outfit.