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Science Ships: Is Vesta still the besta?

rickdankorickdanko Member Posts: 470 Arc User
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I started a science alt as a mule for my engineering main, but lately, I'm having more fun with the science character and would like to get her up to par with my main, including a decent ship. What do yall recommend for a good science vessel?
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    jayxanjayxan Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    I am a huge fan of the Vesta. But I haven't flown the T6 ships yet.

    The thing about a Vesta is that its so versatile with the Lt. Com. universal slot. I can do an exotic damage build or flip it to a 3 Tac layout.

    But I never saw anything especially compelling about the T6 ships over my Vesta either.
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    chaseling94chaseling94 Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    got a t5u eng vesta and im struggling to get a decent build for it over some of the t6 ships. but i think thats just a problem on my end XD
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    tunebreakertunebreaker Member Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    I personally love Aventine (Vesta variant) and at least for me, it's the best sci ship currently in game.
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    e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    I like the Vesta and I think it is still one of the more potent Science ships available. However, I prefer my (Fleet) Pathfinder because it allows me to run a deeper science focus.

    That said, it is a pretty fine line between them for me.

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    rickdankorickdanko Member Posts: 470 Arc User
    Is there a fleet version of the Vesta?
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    tunebreakertunebreaker Member Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    rickdanko wrote: »
    Is there a fleet version of the Vesta?

    Nope
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    gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    I still get a lot of enjoyment out of my Vesta and wouldn't dream of replacing it. I do also have a bit of a "novelty" build with a Dromias that I made into a quasi-science build. But my most powerful build is still my Vesta.

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    starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    rickdanko wrote: »
    Is there a fleet version of the Vesta?

    The Vesta is already Fleet quality, i.e. ten consoles as opposed to nine for a normal T5 C-Store ship.
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    sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    rickdanko wrote: »
    Is there a fleet version of the Vesta?

    The Vesta is already Fleet quality, i.e. ten consoles as opposed to nine for a normal T5 C-Store ship.

    indeed and you can upgrade the vesta.
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    I don't know. I haven't played her in a while. I really like the Science/Intel mix that the current batch of Tier 6 Science Vessels have to offer.
    rickdanko wrote: »
    Is there a fleet version of the Vesta?
    3-Pack ships are already Fleet Level ships usually, and so is the Vesta.​​
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    scrooge69scrooge69 Member Posts: 1,108 Arc User
    no the annorax is far superior
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    koppsterkoppster Member Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Big fan of the Dauntless myself, although my Vesta still gets dusted off occasionally.
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    supergirl1611supergirl1611 Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    Big fan of the Nebula personally and very much in need of tier 6 treatment. She's a very underrated ship in this game that can do it all, tank/sci and decent dps, got mine doing around the 25-28k mark.
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    scrooge69 wrote: »
    no the annorax is far superior

    Beat me to it...Yeah the Annorax just blows the Vesta and any other T6 (science) ship out of the water in almost every way...I suppose the MME's would come in 2nd...Scryer I would say makes 3rd.
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,320 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    scrooge69 wrote: »
    no the annorax is far superior

    Beat me to it...Yeah the Annorax just blows the Vesta and any other T6 (science) ship out of the water in almost every way...I suppose the MME's would come in 2nd...Scryer I would say makes 3rd.
    lianthelia wrote: »
    scrooge69 wrote: »
    no the annorax is far superior

    Beat me to it...Yeah the Annorax just blows the Vesta and any other T6 (science) ship out of the water in almost every way...I suppose the MME's would come in 2nd...Scryer I would say makes 3rd.

    Why the scryer? Sure it has high level intel and cloak, but otherwise i find the pathfinder, dauntless and Nebula a lot more impressive.​​
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    rickdankorickdanko Member Posts: 470 Arc User
    Hmmm. I hadn't considered the Annorax. So it'l be that or the T5U Vesta. Thanks for the advice folks! Keep it coming.
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    samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    Just make sure you have $150 you don't mind burning if you an Annorax.
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    rickdankorickdanko Member Posts: 470 Arc User
    Right. The Annorax is Lobi store only. Vesta it is then. :)
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    My science captain is flying a Fleet Scryer. It made sense for me since I bought the Delta Pack last year to enshippen my set of Fed, KDF, Rom captains who had only the free level-up ships.

    I'm running a Tholian - Butterfly Tetryon build with grav well 3. Besides the 2 AOE Tetryon clickies I have Kinetic Magnet, EM Pulse Probe, scramble sensors and the 2 scans. Clump and debuff works pretty well.
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    gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    rickdanko wrote: »
    Right. The Annorax is Lobi store only. Vesta it is then. :)

    And remember, you can use the Vesta on any toon in your account. You'll need an upgrade token but overall it represents a much better bargain than the Annorax.

    (Yes, I do have a toon with a Lobi ship but all I tell people before getting one is to research every inch of the ship before you buy and already know your build down to a T prior to purchase. If you do not plan to that degree before a Lobi purchase you risk wasting a lot of money.)

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    kozar2kozar2 Member Posts: 602 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    questerius wrote: »

    Why the scryer? Sure it has high level intel and cloak, but otherwise i find the pathfinder, dauntless and Nebula a lot more impressive.​​

    Scryer was the best Sci ship until the Annorax. Solid hull, good shields are a start. Great boff layout plus, active sensor arrays, Intel seating and insane lv 5 mastery. Plus she's fast and manoeuvrable. With Reciprocity from the Phantom her 3 tact spots are all she needs for TT, APB and FAW. Slots the right boffs and you are pretty much at global then tie in the All Hands on Deck from the Presido so that the Tact skills cooldown the sci and capt skills.
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    lianthelia wrote: »
    scrooge69 wrote: »
    no the annorax is far superior

    Beat me to it...Yeah the Annorax just blows the Vesta and any other T6 (science) ship out of the water in almost every way...I suppose the MME's would come in 2nd...Scryer I would say makes 3rd.
    lianthelia wrote: »
    scrooge69 wrote: »
    no the annorax is far superior

    Beat me to it...Yeah the Annorax just blows the Vesta and any other T6 (science) ship out of the water in almost every way...I suppose the MME's would come in 2nd...Scryer I would say makes 3rd.

    Why the scryer? Sure it has high level intel and cloak, but otherwise i find the pathfinder, dauntless and Nebula a lot more impressive.
    The Scryer is even more manoeuvrable than the Pathfinder or Dauntless (and much more than the Nebula), and Intel skills synergize really well with science. I primarily use OSS and Ionic Turbulence. And of course, it has more BO slots tha a Nebula, being Tier 6 and all.
    Also, the Gather Intel skills also work well together with Sensor Analysis.

    The Cloak is probably not so important, since it's a standard cloak that will usually only be useful once per encounter, if you don't forget using it. (Neat to get into position to attack the Crystalline Entity and start gravity welling it.)​​
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    lianthelia wrote: »
    scrooge69 wrote: »
    no the annorax is far superior

    Beat me to it...Yeah the Annorax just blows the Vesta and any other T6 (science) ship out of the water in almost every way...I suppose the MME's would come in 2nd...Scryer I would say makes 3rd.
    lianthelia wrote: »
    scrooge69 wrote: »
    no the annorax is far superior

    Beat me to it...Yeah the Annorax just blows the Vesta and any other T6 (science) ship out of the water in almost every way...I suppose the MME's would come in 2nd...Scryer I would say makes 3rd.

    Why the scryer? Sure it has high level intel and cloak, but otherwise i find the pathfinder, dauntless and Nebula a lot more impressive.​​

    Well for what you said and the Intel expose abilities...I like them. You can go different ways with the Intel Cmdr...not the most tac heavy that's for sure.

    You could go SS and OSS for great energy damage or GW III and OSS for a Science punch...you have KM and T:TW for a Torp build.

    Maybe I'm a little biased but I think it's a nice decent Sci ship...she has many options where the Pathfinder is more a pure Sci and the Dauntless is heavy Tac.
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    I don't have the AHOD trait, but with Reciprocity ("free" since I had the Delta Pack) and the tac team boff the tac skills refresh pretty quickly for my Scryer.
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,320 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    questerius wrote: »
    lianthelia wrote: »
    scrooge69 wrote: »
    no the annorax is far superior

    Beat me to it...Yeah the Annorax just blows the Vesta and any other T6 (science) ship out of the water in almost every way...I suppose the MME's would come in 2nd...Scryer I would say makes 3rd.
    lianthelia wrote: »
    scrooge69 wrote: »
    no the annorax is far superior

    Beat me to it...Yeah the Annorax just blows the Vesta and any other T6 (science) ship out of the water in almost every way...I suppose the MME's would come in 2nd...Scryer I would say makes 3rd.

    Why the scryer? Sure it has high level intel and cloak, but otherwise i find the pathfinder, dauntless and Nebula a lot more impressive.

    Well for what you said and the Intel expose abilities...I like them. You can go different ways with the Intel Cmdr...not the most tac heavy that's for sure.

    You could go SS and OSS for great energy damage or GW III and OSS for a Science punch...you have KM and T:TW for a Torp build.

    Maybe I'm a little biased but I think it's a nice decent Sci ship...she has many options where the Pathfinder is more a pure Sci and the Dauntless is heavy Tac.

    Fair enough. I have looked into purchasing that ship, but i found the benefits too few. Perhaps a bit biased because i dislike the looks. Personally I'm rooting for a Intel Nebula. :open_mouth:​​
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    nachobizniznachobizniz Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    With the right gear, the Vesta is a serious contender. You have to upgrade your AUX cannons to ultra rare. I run only 2 of them up front. I use the full protonic arsenal set, and the delta operations set (with the proton weapon and polaron beam array to the aft, and the gravimetric torp foreward. I also use the full kobaldi shield, deflector, engine and warp core set. In consoles, I use the full vesta set, with the Regenerative Integrity field, Conductive RCS accelerator, Plasmonic leech, Exotic particle field exciter, Bounty hunters friend, and Sustained radiant field.

    This is a very resource intense set of equipment, so its unlikely you'll be able to equip this stuff on your mule for a very long time.

    I slotted a tac officer in my universal seat for cannon volley 2. With only 2 fore cannons, and no turrets to divide my AUX power, the dual cannons hit very hard, while I heal in total beast mode. My power is 90% of the time in Aux (125/125) and the rest in shields. You're main source of weapon damage is limited to a 45% angle, but the vesta turns sufficiently fast, though not escort fast. I feel you make up for it if you slot 2 gravwells. your supporting team members will also appreciate the crowd control. AOE spam for the win!

    The set bonuses on this build are very synergistic and versatile. You can heal, you can damage, you crowd control... You have lots of ways to avoid and deal damage. All around, its badass.

    We do however, need a T6 retrofit, or T6 fleet version. An extra console slot, and more HP is always appreciated. While I'm wishing, I would REALLY like to see more AUX weapon options, or perhaps a skill which simply shunts whatever fore weapons we equip to use AUX power.

    While we're on a the topic of wishing... I really want to see science captains get a skill which allows them to target multiple friendlies for the purposes of healing. Perhaps a T6 ship skill?

    My shpeel. Thanks for letting me rant.
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    Fair enough. I have looked into purchasing that ship, but i found the benefits too few. Perhaps a bit biased because i dislike the looks. Personally I'm rooting for a Intel Nebula. :open_mouth:
    That would be neat. Intel Nebula, Pilot Nova. (Maybe Command Shoe? Ah, Deep Space Science Vessel?)​​
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    e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Maybe I'm a little biased but I think it's a nice decent Sci ship...she has many options where the Pathfinder is more a pure Sci and the Dauntless is heavy Tac.

    This is one of the reasons why my bias is towards the Pathfinder. The Scryer and Dauntless aren't deep enough into space magic for me. :blush:

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    samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    Scryer is very deadly but I prefer making her a drain boat or torp boat. If I want her for damage I can switch out for SSIII thanks to her intel commander but that compromises her use as a science ship so why bother? If you have the money to blow I recommend picking up the Scryer and Dauntless. Both excellent ships with some nice gimmicks to fill in the gaps. The Pathfinder looks good but it doesn't have anything particularly interesting about it so I skipped it. Just a good generic science ship. The Annorax of course murders in the BFAW/ PRTG hybrid role. Insanely versatile and with amazing stats, only the turn rate sucks. It's like the DEV's had to give it one downside so they made the turn rate suck but they gave it the inertia of a battle cruiser so all you need is to throw on a few turnrate consoles and your good to go!
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    tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,637 Arc User
    nachobizniz wrote: »
    With the right gear, the Vesta is a serious contender. You have to upgrade your AUX cannons to ultra rare. I run only 2 of them up front. I use the full protonic arsenal set, and the delta operations set (with the proton weapon and polaron beam array to the aft, and the gravimetric torp foreward. I also use the full kobaldi shield, deflector, engine and warp core set. In consoles, I use the full vesta set, with the Regenerative Integrity field, Conductive RCS accelerator, Plasmonic leech, Exotic particle field exciter, Bounty hunters friend, and Sustained radiant field.

    This is a very resource intense set of equipment, so its unlikely you'll be able to equip this stuff on your mule for a very long time.

    I slotted a tac officer in my universal seat for cannon volley 2. With only 2 fore cannons, and no turrets to divide my AUX power, the dual cannons hit very hard, while I heal in total beast mode. My power is 90% of the time in Aux (125/125) and the rest in shields. You're main source of weapon damage is limited to a 45% angle, but the vesta turns sufficiently fast, though not escort fast. I feel you make up for it if you slot 2 gravwells. your supporting team members will also appreciate the crowd control. AOE spam for the win!

    The set bonuses on this build are very synergistic and versatile. You can heal, you can damage, you crowd control... You have lots of ways to avoid and deal damage. All around, its badass.

    We do however, need a T6 retrofit, or T6 fleet version. An extra console slot, and more HP is always appreciated.

    If all you want is more hull and an extra console slot just apply an Upgrade token to it. I went with the Aventine T5-U: 2 Eng, 5 Sci, and 4 Tac consoles. T6 exclusively has one more BOff ability (sometimes a fixed BOff slot turned Universal too), a Hybrid BOff slot, and a Trait, everything else the T5-U version of a given ship matches, including the first 4 Masteries.
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