Here's my hope...the current specs for the Fleet Kamarag Retrofit, the best bet currently for a Klingon science vessel, become the specs for the all new T6 K'tinga (with the inclusion of the additional console as if it were a T5-U, but an additional tactical console, not an additional science console) and the devs come out with an all new Kamarag science vessel!
Here's my hope...the current specs for the Fleet Kamarag Retrofit, the best bet currently for a Klingon science vessel, become the specs for the all new T6 K'tinga (with the inclusion of the additional console as if it were a T5-U, but an additional tactical console, not an additional science console) and the devs come out with an all new Kamarag science vessel!
It wouldn't be a true science vessel without a secondary deflector though.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Here's my hope...the current specs for the Fleet Kamarag Retrofit, the best bet currently for a Klingon science vessel, become the specs for the all new T6 K'tinga (with the inclusion of the additional console as if it were a T5-U, but an additional tactical console, not an additional science console) and the devs come out with an all new Kamarag science vessel!
It wouldn't be a true science vessel without a secondary deflector though.
I could see a KDF Science ship as a Battlecruiser with CMDR Sci and SA, but no Secondary Deflector, that would be an interesting hybrid.
Beat me to it...Yeah the Annorax just blows the Vesta and any other T6 (science) ship out of the water in almost every way...I suppose the MME's would come in 2nd...Scryer I would say makes 3rd.
Beat me to it...Yeah the Annorax just blows the Vesta and any other T6 (science) ship out of the water in almost every way...I suppose the MME's would come in 2nd...Scryer I would say makes 3rd.
Why the scryer? Sure it has high level intel and cloak, but otherwise i find the pathfinder, dauntless and Nebula a lot more impressive.
Well for what you said and the Intel expose abilities...I like them. You can go different ways with the Intel Cmdr...not the most tac heavy that's for sure.
You could go SS and OSS for great energy damage or GW III and OSS for a Science punch...you have KM and T:TW for a Torp build.
Maybe I'm a little biased but I think it's a nice decent Sci ship...she has many options where the Pathfinder is more a pure Sci and the Dauntless is heavy Tac.
Fair enough. I have looked into purchasing that ship, but i found the benefits too few. Perhaps a bit biased because i dislike the looks. Personally I'm rooting for a Intel Nebula.
She isn't a pretty ship, that is for sure...I don't get what they did with her nacelles and the saucer having some kind of spikes protruding from the hull.
The Eclipse's nacelles look a little better...someday will get the eclipse for the nacelles and the trait....
I put the Phantom nacelles on my Scryer, looks like a stealth Oberth to me that way.
My Fed Tact uses the Scryer as his science ship.
But I still reiterate I prefer the T5U Nebula and Scryer to the Vesta these days.
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Here's my hope...the current specs for the Fleet Kamarag Retrofit, the best bet currently for a Klingon science vessel, become the specs for the all new T6 K'tinga (with the inclusion of the additional console as if it were a T5-U, but an additional tactical console, not an additional science console) and the devs come out with an all new Kamarag science vessel!
It wouldn't be a true science vessel without a secondary deflector though.
And that's true of my own "hybrid build" as well (a Dromias pressed into service as a "science" vessel), that it's not a true science ship. Still, it can be a lot of fun to play with atypical builds like that. It's pretty neat to be able to function in both a CC and a tank capacity (I can pull and withstand a lot of aggro in the Undine BZ with that ship).
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I can pull and withstand a lot of aggro in the Undine BZ with that ship).
My Fleet Scryer feels reasonably tanky. My science captain hadn't done the Dyson missions yet and I was able to solo Voth towers and Undine control points. For the Voth towers I was using all of my heals and CC powers though.
It is too bad that the Vesta is the fastest ship with QSD. Would be a good idea for other ships to be just as fast or faster.
Is it still the fastest? Isn't the Dauntless equally fast?
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Oh, whoever said it earlier, the Annorax is NOT a Lobi ship.
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I think that the more honest answer is What ship do YOU like? Not everyone likes the same thing. I love the Dyson Destroyer. But there is a lot of people that hate that ship. Fly what you like and don't worry about what other people think.
Thanks, folks. I may have to look at the Scryer. I just hate the name and ship is soooo damn ugly.
As for the Scyrer, I love the look of the Intel science heavy ship. Of course, I really like the look of most unique ships other than the Dauntless. For me, the Dauntless has always been "One ugly Mother-".
I agree with you 100% on that. It's somehow ugly AND boring, whereas the Scryer is just butt-ugly. I even hate the name "Scryer". Sounds so damned......emo.
They're not really gone, as long as we remember them
I agree with you 100% on that. It's somehow ugly AND boring, whereas the Scryer is just butt-ugly. I even hate the name "Scryer". Sounds so damned......emo.
The full Nukara set gives it an Fed - Tholian hybrid look that works for me. It changes the ship skin and lighted areas, adds the web deflector dish output and yellow impulse trails. All that reduces the ugliness since it's no longer a pure Fed.
Oh, whoever said it earlier, the Annorax is NOT a Lobi ship.
Well, you can get it from a lockbox, but I'm not a gambler. You could also purchase it off the exchange for big bucks I guess, but I thought it was a lobi ship. If not, where do you get it? Sure isn't available at the shipyard.
They're not really gone, as long as we remember them
The full Nukara set gives it an Fed - Tholian hybrid look that works for me. It changes the ship skin and lighted areas, adds the web deflector dish output and yellow impulse trails. All that reduces the ugliness since it's no longer a pure Fed.
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What missions do you play to get the Nukara set? I'll definitely check it out.
Also, should I even consider a science command ship?
They're not really gone, as long as we remember them
I wouldn't be so sure the Romulans lead or equal the federation in ALL scientific areas but I definitely would agree to most. Romulan tech is really good. and stylish.
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I think the vesta set makes for some interesting options..Including a shield immunity (With downsides), Anti/Kenetic reflect shield, a Lanceish weapon and a hangar..Outside the Annorax, I can't think of a sci ship with 2 of these things much less more. I would LOVE to see a T6 Hybrid Intel/pilot(maybe command) Sci ship. Be it a Vesta, Wells or hell even the one Hybrid sci ship we already have, the Dyson Sci Destroyer...Id also kinda like to see those restricted to "___" sci ship consoles be released to be of use on the rest...But thats me..
gotta have serious brass ballz to fly the rhode island/nova in CC
Care to elaborate?
Maybe he things of the Tier 2 version, not the Tier 5 Fleet version? Because otherwise I don't see it either (without wanting to question the color or material of your balls. )
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gotta have serious brass ballz to fly the rhode island/nova in CC
Care to elaborate?
Maybe he things of the Tier 2 version, not the Tier 5 Fleet version? Because otherwise I don't see it either (without wanting to question the color or material of your balls. )
True - but I would imagine that any Tier 2 ship would struggle in CC.
That might be a fun challenge. Since most of us should have the freebie T2 Rhode Island that could be easily done.
The Vesta 3-pk was the one and only time I spent actual real money on STO. I got mine about a month after it was released and used it all the way up to the release of DR and went T6 (Scryer, Pathfinder and Fleet Scryer) since then. As much as I love the looks of the Vestas and the fact that there are plenty of capable builds out there for them I just cannot see going back. Since I play less these days making that investment of time and in game resources is just hard to justify -- especially since I feel my Fleet Scryer is set up fairly well at this point.
A hybrid sci with command would be epic. Just imagine the shenanigans ensuing for those of us running torp & exotic boats, with gravimetric/PEP/Neutronic etc if we could paint our target with Concentrate Firepower?
Speaking of which, why O why is that not an intel ability so tacs in escorts can use it?
Basically use Ionic Turbulence and Electromagnetic Pulse Probe to build Emitter Synergy (EPP also disables so it's great for keeping things in the center of GWIII which adds a lot of damage) then quickly use GWIII, Sensor Scan, Subspace Vortex and Destabilizing Resonance Beam and if you have the Scryer console equipped. Then fly through the GWIII with Eject Warp Plasma going. All these massive AoE debuffs plus AoE hull attacking abilities makes large groups of ships pretty much melt.
With the Singularity special abilities, it appears Cryptic tried to make all Romulan ships at least in part Sci ships. You can see it also in the BOff layout of most Romulan ships as well.
However, they missed the mark a bit. By creating tactical cruisers with science abilities, they created ships which are generically okay, but which are unable to compete in any specialization. Klingon tactical ships outgun and out maneuver the Romulan boats, while Federation science ships outperform... well, everything.
Romulan ships are good for DPS, which is their saving grace, but DPS does not a science ship make. T6 science ships which are open to all factions would be nice, but Klingons and Romulans should have science ships as well. Klingon sci ships should, perhaps, have a tactical bent as well, while Romulan sci ships should be every bit as good as their Federation counterparts.
What do you think a faction's science ships should look like? Wait, that's another topic.
So where does one get the annorax if not from the Lobi store or for millions on the exchange?
It was only available from opening Doff Packs, similar to how the Jem'Hadar SS/RS come from R&D packs. So right now, finding a private seller and paying 500 m - 1 billion EC is how.
OK. Good to know. Thank you! Looks like Scryer with Nukara set is the way to go (unless there's a fleet version. I haven't checked)
There is a Fleet version, but it does not come with the console or give you the mastery trait. So it's best to buy the C-Store version first, master it, then get the Fleet version for 1 fleet module.
Also, besides the Nukara 3-piece from Tholian rep I suggest the Butterfly episode set. They also increase Tetryon damage and give you a second clicky AOE attack as the final set bonus.
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It wouldn't be a true science vessel without a secondary deflector though.
I could see a KDF Science ship as a Battlecruiser with CMDR Sci and SA, but no Secondary Deflector, that would be an interesting hybrid.
I put the Phantom nacelles on my Scryer, looks like a stealth Oberth to me that way.
My Fed Tact uses the Scryer as his science ship.
But I still reiterate I prefer the T5U Nebula and Scryer to the Vesta these days.
And that's true of my own "hybrid build" as well (a Dromias pressed into service as a "science" vessel), that it's not a true science ship. Still, it can be a lot of fun to play with atypical builds like that. It's pretty neat to be able to function in both a CC and a tank capacity (I can pull and withstand a lot of aggro in the Undine BZ with that ship).
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My Fleet Scryer feels reasonably tanky. My science captain hadn't done the Dyson missions yet and I was able to solo Voth towers and Undine control points. For the Voth towers I was using all of my heals and CC powers though.
Now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure I didn't even bother to fly it. What a waste.
Is it still the fastest? Isn't the Dauntless equally fast?
From what I have researched: Vesta CIQSD = transwarp 25+, Dauntless HQSD = transwarp 23+ and Odyssey AQSD = transwarp 22+.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
As for the Scyrer, I love the look of the Intel science heavy ship. Of course, I really like the look of most unique ships other than the Dauntless. For me, the Dauntless has always been "One ugly Mother-".
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The full Nukara set gives it an Fed - Tholian hybrid look that works for me. It changes the ship skin and lighted areas, adds the web deflector dish output and yellow impulse trails. All that reduces the ugliness since it's no longer a pure Fed.
Well, you can get it from a lockbox, but I'm not a gambler. You could also purchase it off the exchange for big bucks I guess, but I thought it was a lobi ship. If not, where do you get it? Sure isn't available at the shipyard.
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What missions do you play to get the Nukara set? I'll definitely check it out.
Also, should I even consider a science command ship?
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"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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That might be a fun challenge. Since most of us should have the freebie T2 Rhode Island that could be easily done.
The Vesta 3-pk was the one and only time I spent actual real money on STO. I got mine about a month after it was released and used it all the way up to the release of DR and went T6 (Scryer, Pathfinder and Fleet Scryer) since then. As much as I love the looks of the Vestas and the fact that there are plenty of capable builds out there for them I just cannot see going back. Since I play less these days making that investment of time and in game resources is just hard to justify -- especially since I feel my Fleet Scryer is set up fairly well at this point.
Speaking of which, why O why is that not an intel ability so tacs in escorts can use it?
Using a setup like this http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=example777_0 .
It's all about AOE.
Basically use Ionic Turbulence and Electromagnetic Pulse Probe to build Emitter Synergy (EPP also disables so it's great for keeping things in the center of GWIII which adds a lot of damage) then quickly use GWIII, Sensor Scan, Subspace Vortex and Destabilizing Resonance Beam and if you have the Scryer console equipped. Then fly through the GWIII with Eject Warp Plasma going. All these massive AoE debuffs plus AoE hull attacking abilities makes large groups of ships pretty much melt.
However, they missed the mark a bit. By creating tactical cruisers with science abilities, they created ships which are generically okay, but which are unable to compete in any specialization. Klingon tactical ships outgun and out maneuver the Romulan boats, while Federation science ships outperform... well, everything.
Romulan ships are good for DPS, which is their saving grace, but DPS does not a science ship make. T6 science ships which are open to all factions would be nice, but Klingons and Romulans should have science ships as well. Klingon sci ships should, perhaps, have a tactical bent as well, while Romulan sci ships should be every bit as good as their Federation counterparts.
What do you think a faction's science ships should look like? Wait, that's another topic.
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It was only available from opening Doff Packs, similar to how the Jem'Hadar SS/RS come from R&D packs. So right now, finding a private seller and paying 500 m - 1 billion EC is how.
There is a Fleet version, but it does not come with the console or give you the mastery trait. So it's best to buy the C-Store version first, master it, then get the Fleet version for 1 fleet module.
Also, besides the Nukara 3-piece from Tholian rep I suggest the Butterfly episode set. They also increase Tetryon damage and give you a second clicky AOE attack as the final set bonus.
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