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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    grimrak1 wrote: »
    Just so we're all clear here: people can claim they are lighting memorial spheres or just spreading joy all they want, but the actual devs disagree:



    If it were truly something that was positive and good intentioned, they wouldn't be fixing or asking people to stop doing it.

    That's not true. It was always going to be fixed. Pretending that it's only getting fixed now because people with 20 year old laptops are getting performance issues or faking epilepsy is pretty low. The memorial spheres were lit while the chance was there, in the full knowledge they'd be coming down by Thursday. The devs are obviously asking for them to stop because they're sick and tired of having to deal with the same old group bitching and moaning about everything that a certain fleet does (or just gets blamed for). Just look at Borticus' twitter and the people screaming at him for daring to let people know about a harmless bug. If you guys sat back and relaxed and stopped taking every little tiny thing in this game as a personal affront you might just have some fun again.

    That completely ignores the fact that it might just be that the Dev's are also very tired of having to deal with "the same old group" that causes the uproar to being with.
    Dismissing someone else's concerns about how they view their fun in the game, is just as bad as causing the problem to being with.
    Neither side is completely wrong, but there has to be a balance for everybody to have the same opportunity to have fun in their own way, without compromising the game.
    B)
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    Just so we're all clear here: people can claim they are lighting memorial spheres or just spreading joy all they want, but the actual devs disagree:



    If it were truly something that was positive and good intentioned, they wouldn't be fixing or asking people to stop doing it.

    You've got to see things from somone else's perspective.

    From bort's perspective, the perpetual complainers have found a new thing to moan and be miserable about. He probably doesn't like to read this whining, so he pleads with the people to just stop whatever it is the badniks keep bugging him about.

    You can paint the most beautiful painting in the world, but everyone is a critic and somone will be a Debbie Downer about it.

    It doesn't mean it's not the most beautiful painting in the world, it just means you are forced to accept that some people can't recognize what's good, and tell it apart from what's bad.

    The highest consciousness you can reach is being really able, from deep down in your core, to not let them bother you anymore.

    To realize that the dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

    There is no "most beautiful" painting in the world, because different people have different opinions, and there is no world-wide consensus. Likewise, you have every right to claim the disco balls are awesome and fun. That is your opinion. Other people have every right to say they are an annoying pest, and their opinion is equally "right" as your own. Fortunately, we have people who can actually settle issues like this: the devs. And unfortunately for you, they did not take your side. Sorry!

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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    shazia9191 wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    There will be much rejoicing, on my end, the day Cryptic bans Dental: all of them, everywhere. For ever.

    Not going to happen, but dreamers can dream.

    Yeah, that's kinda silly.
    It would be nice though, if the leaders of that particular group, would just occasionally rein in their members joyous attempts at mayhem and pandemonium.
    B)

    Some people get off on making other people mad. Whether those people who are getting mad are simply too sensitive or have a legitimate issue, it doesn't matter to the people who get off on it. So, those people aren't going to "rein in" something they are doing on purpose, and enjoy.

    Heh...
    I don't actually think it will happen, I was just putting it out there as food for thought.
    B)
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  • johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    FWIW: The only reason why whomever is spamming these things is... people are complaining about it. Be it in the forums, or in-game. The whole "don't feed the troll" thing comes to mind.

    They want the reaction... its their life blood. Deprive them of that... and it takes their fun away.

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  • alethkiraenalethkiraen Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    Actually I think a lot of people were doing it simply because, as the devs themselves pointed out, it's a funny bug that was always going to be fixed in the next patch.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    Just so we're all clear here: people can claim they are lighting memorial spheres or just spreading joy all they want, but the actual devs disagree:



    If it were truly something that was positive and good intentioned, they wouldn't be fixing or asking people to stop doing it.

    I rest my case. <chuckle> (I couldn't resist)

    Really though, my main concern is that while many find instances like this enjoyable and amusing, there may just be many more who don't, thus effecting the game owners profits.

    It also risks the chance of an enjoyable 'toy' being taken away from all of us, and diminishing everyone's fun in the long run.
    >shrug<

    Don't blame the victims.

    If somone is robbed, it isn't his fault. The fault is all with the person who chose to rob, to do wrong.

    Hate is ugly, it stinks, and it leads to morally wrong actions.


    I think I get what your saying, but I'm not sure why you chose my post to make your point?
    Nothing in that particular post of mine was hateful in any way nor was I putting the blame on anyone in particular.
    I was merely pointing out that all of us suffer when the actions of a few, might cause something to be removed from the game.
    B)
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Actually I think a lot of people were doing it simply because, as the devs themselves pointed out, it's a funny bug that was always going to be fixed in the next patch.

    I'm not so convinced that "funny" is the word that Borticus would use to described this particular BUG.
    Annoying...
    Aggravating...
    Irritating...
    Inconvenient...
    Vexing...
    Those might better describe his thoughts about this.
    <chuckle>

    Just from a technical aspect, it would be interesting to hear how he believes this BUG has suddenly emerged to begin with.
    Since the item in question has been around for quite awhile, but hasn't till now shown this particular aspect of its nature.
    B)
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    shazia9191 wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    Just so we're all clear here: people can claim they are lighting memorial spheres or just spreading joy all they want, but the actual devs disagree:



    If it were truly something that was positive and good intentioned, they wouldn't be fixing or asking people to stop doing it.

    I rest my case. <chuckle> (I couldn't resist)

    Really though, my main concern is that while many find instances like this enjoyable and amusing, there may just be many more who don't, thus effecting the game owners profits.

    It also risks the chance of an enjoyable 'toy' being taken away from all of us, and diminishing everyone's fun in the long run.
    >shrug<

    Don't blame the victims.

    If somone is robbed, it isn't his fault. The fault is all with the person who chose to rob, to do wrong.

    Hate is ugly, it stinks, and it leads to morally wrong actions.


    I think I get what your saying, but I'm not sure why you chose my post to make your point?
    Nothing in that particular post of mine was hateful in any way nor was I putting the blame on anyone in particular.
    I was merely pointing out that all of us suffer when the actions of a few, might cause something to be removed from the game.
    B)

    Your posts come off as some sort of veiled threat about party amps getting taken away. Naturally, you have no information, no authority on any of this and are only posting vague assumptions and statements.

    If they get taken away, then I suppose it's tough luck, but the party will always continue. I'm not afraid to dance in the dark.

    Actually, instead of them being taken away I would prefer people simply have the ability to disable the visuals. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, it could be some /command or a box you check in the settings, but this solves 3 issues:

    • People who just want to have fun with them still can
    • People who don't like seeing them wouldn't have to
    • People who get off by upsetting other people would have their "power" taken away, because they could no longer force anyone to see the visuals.

    That is the solution I advocate.

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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    shazia9191 wrote: »
    I'm not afraid to dance in the dark.

    Obligatory joke:

    "Our nullifiers will blot out the sun!"
    "Then we shall dance in the shade"​​
  • kitsuneichibankitsuneichiban Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    Wow, I just logged in on Risa since I've been too lazy to leave it after the event ended, and couldn't help but start laughing. It's amazing, the entire walkway to the main resort is lined in disco balls. It's actually beautiful, I took a screenshot. And for what it's worth, this was on my terrible work computer with the ancient hardware and it had no issues with framerate. It may have had issues if I was actually trying to have a fight, but in a social zone without combat in the first place that's a non-issue.
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    shazia9191 wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    Just so we're all clear here: people can claim they are lighting memorial spheres or just spreading joy all they want, but the actual devs disagree:



    If it were truly something that was positive and good intentioned, they wouldn't be fixing or asking people to stop doing it.

    I rest my case. <chuckle> (I couldn't resist)

    Really though, my main concern is that while many find instances like this enjoyable and amusing, there may just be many more who don't, thus effecting the game owners profits.

    It also risks the chance of an enjoyable 'toy' being taken away from all of us, and diminishing everyone's fun in the long run.
    >shrug<

    Don't blame the victims.

    If somone is robbed, it isn't his fault. The fault is all with the person who chose to rob, to do wrong.

    Hate is ugly, it stinks, and it leads to morally wrong actions.


    I think I get what your saying, but I'm not sure why you chose my post to make your point?
    Nothing in that particular post of mine was hateful in any way nor was I putting the blame on anyone in particular.
    I was merely pointing out that all of us suffer when the actions of a few, might cause something to be removed from the game.
    B)

    Your posts come off as some sort of veiled threat about party amps getting taken away. Naturally, you have no information, no authority on any of this and are only posting vague assumptions and statements.

    If they get taken away, then I suppose it's tough luck, but the party will always continue. I'm not afraid to dance in the dark.
    Heh...
    There's nothing "veiled" about my posts.
    I'm simply making conjecture based on my own opinions and what I've observed from other instances like this in other games I've played, about what "might" happen.
    You seem to be assuming that I'm attempting to be threatening in some manner.
    I can assure you that that is in fact, the farthest thing from my mind.
    Using the item in question in the manner it was intended, and not in ways that have already resulted on several occasions causing the Dev's to 'adjust' it...,
    Conjecturally speaking, could possibly lead to it being eventually removed from the game.
    I'm not advocating that this happen, I'm just pointing out that it is a possibility.
    And that result would be a detriment to us all, as then Everybody will be "dancing in the dark".
    B)
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  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    shazia9191 wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    Just so we're all clear here: people can claim they are lighting memorial spheres or just spreading joy all they want, but the actual devs disagree:



    If it were truly something that was positive and good intentioned, they wouldn't be fixing or asking people to stop doing it.

    I rest my case. <chuckle> (I couldn't resist)

    Really though, my main concern is that while many find instances like this enjoyable and amusing, there may just be many more who don't, thus effecting the game owners profits.

    It also risks the chance of an enjoyable 'toy' being taken away from all of us, and diminishing everyone's fun in the long run.
    >shrug<

    Don't blame the victims.

    If somone is robbed, it isn't his fault. The fault is all with the person who chose to rob, to do wrong.

    Hate is ugly, it stinks, and it leads to morally wrong actions.


    I think I get what your saying, but I'm not sure why you chose my post to make your point?
    Nothing in that particular post of mine was hateful in any way nor was I putting the blame on anyone in particular.
    I was merely pointing out that all of us suffer when the actions of a few, might cause something to be removed from the game.
    B)

    Your posts come off as some sort of veiled threat about party amps getting taken away. Naturally, you have no information, no authority on any of this and are only posting vague assumptions and statements.

    If they get taken away, then I suppose it's tough luck, but the party will always continue. I'm not afraid to dance in the dark.
    Heh...
    There's nothing "veiled" about my posts.
    I'm simply making conjecture based on my own opinions and what I've observed from other instances like this in other games I've played, about what "might" happen.
    You seem to be assuming that I'm attempting to be threatening in some manner.
    I can assure you that that is in fact, the farthest thing from my mind.
    Using the item in question in the manner it was intended, and not in ways that have already resulted on several occasions causing the Dev's to 'adjust' it...,
    Conjecturally speaking, could possibly lead to it being eventually removed from the game.
    I'm not advocating that this happen, I'm just pointing out that it is a possibility.
    And that result would be a detriment to us all, as then Everybody will be "dancing in the dark".
    B)

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  • kamipoikamipoi Member Posts: 365 Arc User
    the problem is these balls are not fun to these people because what they are they are fun because they annoy others the trolls using them that break all the harassment rules get away with it and that makes it even more fun for them.

    the best thing that could be done is just removing them at least if the devs wont spend their time punishing the harassing behavior
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    In a world that was fundamentally good, this miraculous happening wouldn't be the catalyst for change, ds9 and drozana would already have permanent hard coded memorial spheres.

    That is an opinion, and is no more right than the opinion of someone who doesn't like them.
    Nothing worth reading has ever included the words "you seem to be assuming that I'm..."

    And yet, you just included those words in your post, meaning your post isn't worth reading.

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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Hey, Druk: stop acting like this.
    But,

    Nope, stop acting like this.
    But, but

    Shhh. Stop acting like this.
    But, but, but

    Hush little one. Stop acting like this.

    See, other people can do the "stop acting like this" thing too. In fact, I encourage everyone who replies to Druk to include that line at the end of your post from now on :p

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  • alethkiraenalethkiraen Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    daveyny wrote: »
    Actually I think a lot of people were doing it simply because, as the devs themselves pointed out, it's a funny bug that was always going to be fixed in the next patch.

    I'm not so convinced that "funny" is the word that Borticus would use to described this particular BUG.
    Annoying...
    Aggravating...
    Irritating...
    Inconvenient...
    Vexing...
    Those might better describe his thoughts about this.
    <chuckle>

    Just from a technical aspect, it would be interesting to hear how he believes this BUG has suddenly emerged to begin with.
    Since the item in question has been around for quite awhile, but hasn't till now shown this particular aspect of its nature.
    B)

    I have some bad news for you:

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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    Hey, Druk: stop acting like this.
    But,

    Nope, stop acting like this.
    But, but

    Shhh. Stop acting like this.
    But, but, but

    Hush little one. Stop acting like this.

    See, other people can do the "stop acting like this" thing too. In fact, I encourage everyone who replies to Druk to include that line at the end of your post from now on :p

    Often imitated, never dupalated.

    You're right, I definitely am not "dupalating" you. Now once again:

    Stop acting like this.

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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    I don't really see where there was a groundswell to remove these completely from the game, just to stop this willful attempt to annoy people. And you can mask it how you want with talk of 'Holy Lights', 'Blood Sacrifice', 'Benevolent Leaders' and other horse hockey but this is all just twisting everything completely around as they would in the North Korean Propaganda Ministry.

    So stop trying to say Borticus was all in favor of this but is only changing it because he is tired of the 'Holy Light' Haters. That and all of the other Propaganda spewed by these sycophants is just a load of bulls*hit.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
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    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • kavasekavase Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    So stop trying to say Borticus was all in favor of this but is only changing it because he is tired of the 'Holy Light' Haters. That and all of the other Propaganda spewed by these sycophants is just a load of bulls*hit.

    I know, repetitiveepic really need to stop acting like this.
    Retired. I'm now in search for that perfect space anomaly.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    kavase wrote: »
    ltminns wrote: »
    So stop trying to say Borticus was all in favor of this but is only changing it because he is tired of the 'Holy Light' Haters. That and all of the other Propaganda spewed by these sycophants is just a load of bulls*hit.

    I know, repetitiveepic really need to stop acting like this.

    This guy gets it! :D

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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    shazia9191 wrote: »
    I think the arguments here have run their course, but will direct everyone to facts on the ground:

    That's about it, guys. Nothing worth debating, because that's the truth. Enjoy the party while it lasts! Make every minute count!

    Ah yes, the old "I want to have the last word so I can declare this thread over" post. Always a classic! And in case you're wondering, I won't want my post to be the last one either. Somebody else keep going :D

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