Once you've made your first Cryptic Store purchase, the others get easier...
Go for it... Become a whale and pay for my STO.
In all seriousness: It won't take endless grinding.. The cap-increase costs nothing compared to what you can save by buying things off the exchange in the future.
Also... There is no way... NO WAY in the world that I would lower prices for any of my items on the exchange for someone who isn't willing to pay MY prices for MY items that I've worked for.
Don't want to pay for it? Can't have it then.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
The EC cap is the dumbest thing in this game, and the first time I felt I was being forced to buy something with zen. Sure I didn't have to buy it, but then I cant really buy much without it. I've played a silly amount of f2p models in the past and this really was the first time I ran into such a low cap.
You'd love SWTOR's currency cap, then. For free players, it's 200k credits. For "preferred" players (someone who's spent money once in the cash shop) it's 350k credits.
At lv60, you can earn 50k+ credits in one planet's set of 15-30min dailies (and there are several different planets with daily quest hubs)
There are numerous vendor items in the game that cost millions of creds, plus all the stuff people sell on the auction house.
And the best part - you can't permanently increase your credit cap. You can only get temporary "escrow" items from the cash shop, that will increase your cap until you spend that money. (i.e, you've got a 350k cap. You use a 600k Escrow, you now have access to 950k.... until you spend it, at which point you're back to 350k. Oh, all the credits you earn when you're at cap are still recorded to your account, they're not lost. If you re-sub, for instance, the 50mil credits you farmed will still be there.)
...oh, yeah. There's brilliant dudes (or trolls) who sell the escrow items on the auction house - for more than the credit cap.
I've posted them at less than 10 mil more than once, keep looking , keep waiting maybe you get lucky, but don't count on it. Grind out the Dil but the EC cap increase and move on.
Well to tell you the truth, it is really the Stonecutters that set the prices on the Exchange. Unless you are a member of that Society, the prices you post your stuff for will be undercut and the stuff you are looking for will be just out of reach.
You want to complain about prices check out the Starship Traits that you may (from the prices not bloody likely) get from the new Delta Alliance Duty Officer Pack.
You really need to get the EC Cap Unlock. As others have said, a couple of weeks worth of grind or two slices of pizza.
See the post just before mine, he almost revealed his membership in the Stonecutters ; he will be admonished.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Stonecutters is from a classic Simpson's Sixth Season Episode 'Homer the Great'. Patrick Stewart voiced the leader of that cabal in that episode. See the song here
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I've posted them at less than 10 mil more than once, keep looking , keep waiting maybe you get lucky, but don't count on it. Grind out the Dil but the EC cap increase and move on.
The market LOVES people like you.
Buy the low cost stuff. Relist them at higher prices.
Maybe I should just ask Trendy to close this thread: 1 totally unreasonable OP, followed by everyone telling him that, ever since. Great entertainment value, LOL, but not really going anywhere.
OP I can understand your frustration when it comes to higher prices.
I for one like to use certain items to help grow my EC pile. In this case, I have been purchasing and storing Fleet Ship modules, waiting for the day when they top 20 mil. I can thank Cryptic for the addition of more and more fleet ships, it creates demand for FSMs, which in turn helps me increase my EC pile and keep ingame way of life the way I have become accustomed.
I've posted them at less than 10 mil more than once, keep looking , keep waiting maybe you get lucky, but don't count on it. Grind out the Dil but the EC cap increase and move on.
The market LOVES people like you.
Buy the low cost stuff. Relist them at higher prices.
I bet they do, such is the nature of things, I get the EC I posted it for, someone else gets what they want. I haven't undercut in a long long time, because I've had no reason to. Lets face it, EC are as easy to find as Lag and Rubberbanding are.
If you want a fleet ship are you not going to want other best of the best things ever ? Cause they all cost north of 10mil. Get the cap increase... its the only thing cryptic sells that makes sense. Its one thing I will never begrudge them selling... they sell it for a very very reasonable price compared to every other free mmo in the world.
I've posted them at less than 10 mil more than once, keep looking , keep waiting maybe you get lucky, but don't count on it. Grind out the Dil but the EC cap increase and move on.
The market LOVES people like you.
Buy the low cost stuff. Relist them at higher prices.
I bet they do, such is the nature of things, I get the EC I posted it for, someone else gets what they want. I haven't undercut in a long long time, because I've had no reason to. Lets face it, EC are as easy to find as Lag and Rubberbanding are.
It's not something I do on a regular basis. On rare occasions I'll take a look at the market or take into account things coming down the road very soon. Then I'll "Play The Market."
But some people are like my friend. He knows everything going on in the market and knows the trends, constantly talks about what's coming down the line and how it's going to affect the Exchange. He's not one of those super rich guys in game. He's a "Free" player but due to him "Playing The Market" and Dil Exchange, that's how he got his fancy ships. Time consuming, lots of attention required, but that's how he gets his fancy toys.
Then there are the guys like him who are just filthy rich in the game from knowing how to play the market, dil exchange.
Selling stuff far below the market value doesn't help the little guy. Because someone richer will just snag it up and sell it back at the market rate or a bit higher. Because they got their fingers on the pulse and notice those cheap items right away.
Buy
Relist at higher cost
Profit
Easy to do it on the stuff that you know is a constant seller.
I demand that nothing on the exchange can be more expensive than 50 million EC, especially not the new starship trait from the Delta Alliance doff pack that is listed for almost 400 million EC!
Imho the OP does have a point. With the ongoing inflation in STO, the EC cap for free players has become so low, that the unlock has become an absolute necessity for new players if they want to purchase anything worthwhile from the exchange, rather than a luxury.
When F2P first hit, the 10 million cap was appropriate for the time. Except for the JHAS or the Galor, everything was purchasable for <10 million on the exchange, even items such as Mk.XII consoles or Accx3 weapons. Lockbox Keys were ~650k, which meant you could easily buy a stack of 10 as a free player, where today, 2 would be the limit.
Nowadays, those 10 million don't get you anywhere, as prices have exploded all across the board, due to normal inflation, in addition to the unlock becoming more expensive for new players (500 Zen used to be ~38.000 dilithium, now it's 100.000+) . Cryptic should take that into account and adjust the limit for free players up to 25-30 million. People who buy and sell things like modules etc... via real money would profit from that as well, as their potential market would increase.
At the same time, the upper limit for items posted on the exchange could get a bump as well...
Of course they can set whatever price they want, but that is called a monopoly and even if they decide the price should be that high, it does not mean the item is worth that much. And you have to work for EC the same as you have to work for dil and real money, so it is not free.
Its not a monopoly, since there are many sellers and many buyers. Just because you cant figure out how to get the dilithium and ec together to buy something, doesnt mean others should have to cut their profits.
by trying to make a few dollars more, sellers are drastically narrowing down the list of their buyers (I assume this of course, I dont have any real data), which is also bad for them. You can already see the prices going down. Some while ago the price was around 16 mil and it gradually got down to 11. All I am saying is that it would be much better for everyone if they lowered the price just a little bit more so that everyone would be able to buy it.
No it wouldnt. Firstly your assumption is only half correct, surely you limit your potential buyers with a high price, but not as much as it would have any impact how fast you sell it. Secondly, the ones who worked (or spent money on the game) would cut their profits, without compensation. They would lose something, hence their situation would worsen.
As for the ups and downs: Its a playerdriven market, by the very definition of supply and demand. When they were at 16mil, I guess that was when the dilithium exchange were higher AND new fleetships were released, hence more demand.
I know the exchange is not the only way to buy FSMs, but if the ZEN store is not an option, than there is no other way. You can convert dil but that wouldnt make it any easier than converting dil and then buying the cap increase. My point is the FSMs arent worth the current price.
Then dont buy them. There are enough buyers that think they are worth as much, hence they are worth as much. Only if enough people would think they are not worth enough, the prices would fall. Seeing them nearly constant for weeks, they are just worth as much.
Well Im not deciding the prices, but I have the right to say my opinion, and my opinion is if the prices are already close to 10 mil, they can be just a little lower so that everyone could buy it. I dont understand how you people cant get this. I wouldnt be posting this if the prices were stagnating at 20 mil.
And many players in this thread dont get how you cant get the easiest economical processes. And its very easy to get the cap, honestly.
I would suggest you learn a bit about STO economics. Its very easy to get that much EC without any exploits or constant grinding, and its also very easy to get the dil for the cap release.
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Go for it... Become a whale and pay for my STO.
In all seriousness: It won't take endless grinding.. The cap-increase costs nothing compared to what you can save by buying things off the exchange in the future.
Also... There is no way... NO WAY in the world that I would lower prices for any of my items on the exchange for someone who isn't willing to pay MY prices for MY items that I've worked for.
Don't want to pay for it? Can't have it then.
We come in peace, SHOOT TO KILL!
Best Zen I ever spent. Makes life easier.
You'd love SWTOR's currency cap, then. For free players, it's 200k credits. For "preferred" players (someone who's spent money once in the cash shop) it's 350k credits.
At lv60, you can earn 50k+ credits in one planet's set of 15-30min dailies (and there are several different planets with daily quest hubs)
There are numerous vendor items in the game that cost millions of creds, plus all the stuff people sell on the auction house.
And the best part - you can't permanently increase your credit cap. You can only get temporary "escrow" items from the cash shop, that will increase your cap until you spend that money. (i.e, you've got a 350k cap. You use a 600k Escrow, you now have access to 950k.... until you spend it, at which point you're back to 350k. Oh, all the credits you earn when you're at cap are still recorded to your account, they're not lost. If you re-sub, for instance, the 50mil credits you farmed will still be there.)
...oh, yeah. There's brilliant dudes (or trolls) who sell the escrow items on the auction house - for more than the credit cap.
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You want to complain about prices check out the Starship Traits that you may (from the prices not bloody likely) get from the new Delta Alliance Duty Officer Pack.
You really need to get the EC Cap Unlock. As others have said, a couple of weeks worth of grind or two slices of pizza.
See the post just before mine, he almost revealed his membership in the Stonecutters ; he will be admonished.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Stonecutters is from a classic Simpson's Sixth Season Episode 'Homer the Great'. Patrick Stewart voiced the leader of that cabal in that episode. See the song here
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Excellent idea . . . bahahaha
The market LOVES people like you.
Buy the low cost stuff. Relist them at higher prices.
Or better yet, stop blaming people who simply buy and sell at a market rate, and say "Adjust the arbitrary EC cap as you inflate the currency."
That's exactly what it is.
I don't think the OP realizes how little it really takes to 'grind' out 500 Zen with Dilithium. It's seriously like 115k, it's nothing.
I for one like to use certain items to help grow my EC pile. In this case, I have been purchasing and storing Fleet Ship modules, waiting for the day when they top 20 mil. I can thank Cryptic for the addition of more and more fleet ships, it creates demand for FSMs, which in turn helps me increase my EC pile and keep ingame way of life the way I have become accustomed.
I bet they do, such is the nature of things, I get the EC I posted it for, someone else gets what they want. I haven't undercut in a long long time, because I've had no reason to. Lets face it, EC are as easy to find as Lag and Rubberbanding are.
Message me in-game (@tm706) for help
1st Alpha Quadrant Fleet
It's not something I do on a regular basis. On rare occasions I'll take a look at the market or take into account things coming down the road very soon. Then I'll "Play The Market."
But some people are like my friend. He knows everything going on in the market and knows the trends, constantly talks about what's coming down the line and how it's going to affect the Exchange. He's not one of those super rich guys in game. He's a "Free" player but due to him "Playing The Market" and Dil Exchange, that's how he got his fancy ships. Time consuming, lots of attention required, but that's how he gets his fancy toys.
Then there are the guys like him who are just filthy rich in the game from knowing how to play the market, dil exchange.
Selling stuff far below the market value doesn't help the little guy. Because someone richer will just snag it up and sell it back at the market rate or a bit higher. Because they got their fingers on the pulse and notice those cheap items right away.
Buy
Relist at higher cost
Profit
Easy to do it on the stuff that you know is a constant seller.
When F2P first hit, the 10 million cap was appropriate for the time. Except for the JHAS or the Galor, everything was purchasable for <10 million on the exchange, even items such as Mk.XII consoles or Accx3 weapons. Lockbox Keys were ~650k, which meant you could easily buy a stack of 10 as a free player, where today, 2 would be the limit.
Nowadays, those 10 million don't get you anywhere, as prices have exploded all across the board, due to normal inflation, in addition to the unlock becoming more expensive for new players (500 Zen used to be ~38.000 dilithium, now it's 100.000+) . Cryptic should take that into account and adjust the limit for free players up to 25-30 million. People who buy and sell things like modules etc... via real money would profit from that as well, as their potential market would increase.
At the same time, the upper limit for items posted on the exchange could get a bump as well...
lol yea i'd like a recluse for 10m ec, anyone? no thought not
Its not a monopoly, since there are many sellers and many buyers. Just because you cant figure out how to get the dilithium and ec together to buy something, doesnt mean others should have to cut their profits.
No it wouldnt. Firstly your assumption is only half correct, surely you limit your potential buyers with a high price, but not as much as it would have any impact how fast you sell it. Secondly, the ones who worked (or spent money on the game) would cut their profits, without compensation. They would lose something, hence their situation would worsen.
As for the ups and downs: Its a playerdriven market, by the very definition of supply and demand. When they were at 16mil, I guess that was when the dilithium exchange were higher AND new fleetships were released, hence more demand.
Then dont buy them. There are enough buyers that think they are worth as much, hence they are worth as much. Only if enough people would think they are not worth enough, the prices would fall. Seeing them nearly constant for weeks, they are just worth as much.
And many players in this thread dont get how you cant get the easiest economical processes. And its very easy to get the cap, honestly.
I would suggest you learn a bit about STO economics. Its very easy to get that much EC without any exploits or constant grinding, and its also very easy to get the dil for the cap release.
And I will buy them...just to TRIBBLE with the OP.
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