with the risk of disturbing the FORCE and being assasinated .... nerf APA.
That will never, ever, ever happen.
Tacs are STO's baby. Literally everything they have done since Launch has benefited Tacs in one way or another.
Forced to agree.
The fact is, if you put a Tactical Captain in a Science ship, they’ll make better use of that ship than a Sci captain.
ONLY for exotic damage builds, even some of those can work better with science captains. DPS will always work better on Tactical captains that's the way it works, if your purpose in playing science is to do DPS then your going about it the wrong way. Science isn't meant to do DPS, that defeats the point of having more than one class of captain.
You know what though? Science can fly some tactical builds better, again it depends what you want to do. Id take a science captain in a Vape/Alpha striker or any escort build in a PvP setting over a Tactical captain. Do you want to know why? Subnuc... Mostly.
Well, one can only hope the DPS leagues do a wipe, or start a new leaderboard. No sense in trying to compete for positioning with the field altered in such a dramatic way.
Looks like many in those channels will lose a good chunk of DPS.
Any word from the channels on this ?
Well, one can only hope the DPS leagues do a wipe, or start a new leaderboard. No sense in trying to compete for positioning with the field altered in such a dramatic way.
Looks like many in those channels will lose a good chunk of DPS.
Any word from the channels on this ?
Who cares? They're nothing but snobs that call you names. There are no redeeming qualities to them.
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2. People can suck it, they act like a bunch of babies because Cryptic won't let them abuse the hell out of something anymore. I have no reason not to treat them like the children they are.[/quote]
If cryptic actually got their act together and made sure things worked correctly from the onset, then people wouldn't get the chance to "abuse" anything. But in true cryptic style, they release something half done as per usual, try and fix it, and end up making worse in other respects. Then ultimately end up nerfing it. The next nerf will involve FAW or beam weapons themselves!
Well, one can only hope the DPS leagues do a wipe, or start a new leaderboard. No sense in trying to compete for positioning with the field altered in such a dramatic way.
Looks like many in those channels will lose a good chunk of DPS.
Any word from the channels on this ?
Who cares? They're nothing but snobs that call you names. There are no redeeming qualities to them.
hey, now, DPS leagues are generally kind enough to sequester themselves from the general population. the name-callers are the wannabee DPS guys-the ones that aren't quite good enough to get in, but still think they're better than you because they can read a forum and copy someone else's build.
every time I've run into actual DPS leaguers, they've been pretty close to PvP'ers in terms of being friendly and offering helpful advice. It's the ones that want to score but aren't quite there yet who're the d-bags you're talking about-kind of like how you can tell someone isn't a regular PvP'er but he wants you to think so when he barks "N00Bz!!" after losing a match instead of saying "gg".
You may be right but that has never been my experience. One of them hunted me down and did everything in his power to try and make my life miserable just because we disagreed about a weapon modifier. He failed obviously because I didn't care but it really turned me off to the DPS league. The things that happened in June haven't exactly bolstered my respect for them either.
As I discussed on the livestream of the SHOW with Odenknight and crew, here is my original testing of plasma explosion and what is currently on tribble due to be transported to the live shard this week.
how about nerfing FAW , not sci consoles , those consoles help sci ships ... But you think ONLY to yourself ... not for the good of game. You consider a faw build expensive? Buil a part gen sci ship ...
The last time the tried to change FAW, it was broken for over a year if not longer. How about they actually start fixing things that are broken rather than breaking those that work....
FAW doesn't work. Or rather, it works a little too well. Which is why so many players worship at the shrine of BFAW builds.
I'm sure you'd be crying over this if it affected whatever build you use
From what I can tell, the problem people have with this 'fix' is that instead of fixing the issue (which was that it didn't crit with anything other than bfaw, while the intention was for it to be able to crit with anything), the powers that be simply removed it's ability to crit full stop, instead of actually making it work as the original intention was. Rather like a police force redefining what a crime is, when confronted with inconvenient statistics that show that crime had gone up.
Now, you just don't like bfaw. I get it and I'm pretty sure others get it too. Now can you please stop bleating about how much you hate it and let other people be without berating them for using what they see as an effective build that they actually want?
Unlike most people here I atleast try to think about what's best for the game rather than myself.
Mm...not really. This is just you wanting to change something people are doing or have because it annoys you, then congratulating yourself for being morally superior. All this in one post. Well done. Maybe someone else could have posted the same thing in a less conceited and snobbish way.
1. I clearly stated that I myself abused it so I am most definitely affected by the change.
2. People can suck it, they act like a bunch of babies because Cryptic won't let them abuse the hell out of something anymore. I have no reason not to treat them like the children they are.
I, personally, absolutely agree. And to add:
3: Those who don't spam BFAW won't notice any difference.
Unlike most people here I atleast try to think about what's best for the game rather than myself.
Mm...not really. This is just you wanting to change something people are doing or have because it annoys you, then congratulating yourself for being morally superior. All this in one post. Well done. Maybe someone else could have posted the same thing in a less conceited and snobbish way.
1. I clearly stated that I myself abused it so I am most definitely affected by the change.
2. People can suck it, they act like a bunch of babies because Cryptic won't let them abuse the hell out of something anymore. I have no reason not to treat them like the children they are.
I, personally, absolutely agree. And to add:
3: Those who don't spam BFAW won't notice any difference.
Well, one can only hope the DPS leagues do a wipe, or start a new leaderboard. No sense in trying to compete for positioning with the field altered in such a dramatic way.
Looks like many in those channels will lose a good chunk of DPS.
Any word from the channels on this ?
Who cares? They're nothing but snobs that call you names. There are no redeeming qualities to them.
hey, now, DPS leagues are generally kind enough to sequester themselves from the general population. the name-callers are the wannabee DPS guys-the ones that aren't quite good enough to get in, but still think they're better than you because they can read a forum and copy someone else's build.
every time I've run into actual DPS leaguers, they've been pretty close to PvP'ers in terms of being friendly and offering helpful advice. It's the ones that want to score but aren't quite there yet who're the d-bags you're talking about-kind of like how you can tell someone isn't a regular PvP'er but he wants you to think so when he barks "N00Bz!!" after losing a match instead of saying "gg".
You may be right but that has never been my experience. One of them hunted me down and did everything in his power to try and make my life miserable just because we disagreed about a weapon modifier. He failed obviously because I didn't care but it really turned me off to the DPS league. The things that happened in June haven't exactly bolstered my respect for them either.
Well I care, hence why I asked if the DPS Leagues will be doing a wipe or resetting the leaderboard ?
And no offense Isegn, but I've only met nice people in the DPS channel.
Sorry if you had a bad experience there.
The only way to buff Sci without buffing Tac is to do it at the class level.
We could use some buffs to our Captain skills to give them synergy with Exotic. If say Sci fleet and/or Scattering Field gave us a sizeable buff to Exotic it would probly get the job done.
As a Sci Captain myself, I don't know if I agree with this... the other FOTM build going around is the PRTG build... which favors Science Captains as is it. Seeing some of my own numbers from parsing, the amount of damage resistance debuffs, and number of science consoles I can carry... not sure we need a buff to exotic damage beyond what we already have access to.
IMO, your suggestion doesn't really resolve the "issue" just saves Sci captains from the nerf by bolstering another (IMO) overpowered FOTM build.
Call me old school... but personally, I don't think that Sci should have the damage potential of Tacs, nor the staying power of Eng...
Now, I freely admit, that this ship has sailed over the horizon, as the game seems to be about a DPS race. Still, its what I believe made all classes viable. Missions (at least on advanced) should be balanced for WANTING a mixture of specialties/classes. I've thought for some time that a 5 Man DPS Squad should have extreme difficulty completing an Advanced STF.
As a science officer Chasing the DPS carrot which is what this game has become , im greatly disappointed in the LACK of judgement on the systems team , rather than a BALANCED pass to the creep , they once again go after what works to make dedicated Sci ships decent at DPS . how many times are they going to effect changes to these consoles ?? ive spent plenty of resources on these consoles to boost my DPS , now first they took the bonus to plasma damage made it a bonus to the proc effect and to a explosion now they took the crit option completely out of it , this is nuts , this doesn't hurt the high dps parsers it hurts those in the lower tiers of this DPS elitist BS , is cryptic planning on remembursing the reasources spent on these consoles , going to remburse players that bought certain sci ships that are now not dps competitive? NO so this is serious BS on there part , DO A COMPLETE PASS OR TOUCH NOTHING . this onesded nerf thing has to stop .
Well, one can only hope the DPS leagues do a wipe, or start a new leaderboard. No sense in trying to compete for positioning with the field altered in such a dramatic way.
Looks like many in those channels will lose a good chunk of DPS.
Any word from the channels on this ?
Who cares? They're nothing but snobs that call you names. There are no redeeming qualities to them.
hey, now, DPS leagues are generally kind enough to sequester themselves from the general population. the name-callers are the wannabee DPS guys-the ones that aren't quite good enough to get in, but still think they're better than you because they can read a forum and copy someone else's build.
every time I've run into actual DPS leaguers, they've been pretty close to PvP'ers in terms of being friendly and offering helpful advice. It's the ones that want to score but aren't quite there yet who're the d-bags you're talking about-kind of like how you can tell someone isn't a regular PvP'er but he wants you to think so when he barks "N00Bz!!" after losing a match instead of saying "gg".
You may be right but that has never been my experience. One of them hunted me down and did everything in his power to try and make my life miserable just because we disagreed about a weapon modifier. He failed obviously because I didn't care but it really turned me off to the DPS league. The things that happened in June haven't exactly bolstered my respect for them either.
It is unfortunate you ran into such a person, but please don't lump an entire community into a stereotype because of that one person.
The only way to buff Sci without buffing Tac is to do it at the class level.
We could use some buffs to our Captain skills to give them synergy with Exotic. If say Sci fleet and/or Scattering Field gave us a sizeable buff to Exotic it would probly get the job done.
As a Sci Captain myself, I don't know if I agree with this... the other FOTM build going around is the PRTG build... which favors Science Captains as is it.
No it actually favors tacs with their damage buffs affecting PrtGen exotic damage abilities too.
Seeing some of my own numbers from parsing, the amount of damage resistance debuffs, and number of science consoles I can carry... not sure we need a buff to exotic damage beyond what we already have access to.
Those aren't limited to science captains though. The only real science captain debuffs are Sensor Scan and Subnucleonic Beam. TBH, Tacs do better than Science when it comes to exotic abilities.
Call me old school... but personally, I don't think that Sci should have the damage potential of Tacs, nor the staying power of Eng...
Which is currently true, and IMO not a bad thing. However, I wish that Sci captains would at least do better than Tacs when it comes to science abilities.
Actually it'll affect DHC users too because of the 25% nerf to its base damage. Snipey's test at The Show just now showed that cannons will actually be hurt just as much as the beam users here. Sarcasmdetector and Oden Knight also pointed out that the people who will be most affected by this nerf are the intermediate players. The players at the bottom and the top end (particularly the top tac players) won't get hurt as much. I agree with them.
I am neither for nor against the nerf, I can see the pros and cons of both sides of the argument for these consoles. Borticus did say the removal of crit for these consoles is a temporary stop-gap. Maybe in a few months it'll be business as usual.
Ah yes the old... the only ones really hurt will be you normal folk.. .cause us DPS gods can do it anyway. lol
This nerf was needed... having said that... Cryptic is also taking you all for fools.
These consoles where allowed to exist as long as they didn't have something newer to sell you.
Those consoles will be allowed to exist as long as they don't have something new to sell you.
Folks if you enjoy this game great... revolt play with what you have and stop chasing the never ending carrot. It will always always be positioned just a little ahead of you. Even if you catch it for a few months who cares... 20k,30,40k, or a bugged 80k does it matter... the mission still lasts a grand total of 3 min. lmao
If you want a challenge, you have to create them yourself. Like try and push a mirror ship to 20k dps with mk 12 purples... try and break 30k with nothing but kinetic... try to hit 10k dps while only flying backwards.
So if they are getting around to Nerfing the Embassy consoles I assume the Lag Issues, Server Not Responding, the 10,000 other items that are broken must be fixed.
I'm sure you'd be crying over this if it affected whatever build you use
From what I can tell, the problem people have with this 'fix' is that instead of fixing the issue (which was that it didn't crit with anything other than bfaw, while the intention was for it to be able to crit with anything), the powers that be simply removed it's ability to crit full stop, instead of actually making it work as the original intention was. Rather like a police force redefining what a crime is, when confronted with inconvenient statistics that show that crime had gone up.
Now, you just don't like bfaw. I get it and I'm pretty sure others get it too. Now can you please stop bleating about how much you hate it and let other people be without berating them for using what they see as an effective build that they actually want?
Well, I happen to like the change and my tac PvE toon uses these plasma consoles (My sci one has 4 PrtG ones for an alt build), but it's a cannon build. I just use them for a bit of extra DPS, nothing more. I'm perfectly fine with the change. Playing PvE is still easy with the change.
When science console procs do more damage than FAWIII something is clearly wrong. This new nerf prevents them from critting and severely reduces their OPness. As one of the few DHC users left in the game I want to extend my most heartfelt thanks to the DEV's even if it devalues the Nandi BFAW ship I finally caved in and blew 700 Mil ec on.
Unlike most people here I atleast try to think about what's best for the game rather than myself.
They already nerfed them this is in fact BS. They keep messing with peoples builds whats the point in even having one?????
how about nerfing FAW , not sci consoles , those consoles help sci ships ... But you think ONLY to yourself ... not for the good of game. You consider a faw build expensive? Buil a part gen sci ship ...
How's about not nerfing FAW, but buffing cannons and torps instead?!
Um, no. "As one of the few DHC users left in the game" the nerf simply does't affect you the way it does others.
It effects him because of the flat nerf on the consoles base damage. Cannon users don't realize yet that they're getting nerfed too, and being that they're already further down the DPS chain, they will have a harder time absorbing it then Beam Users.
Unless he isn't currently using Embassy consoles at all, in which case he's one of the players who's damage is too low to really be effected either way. He's probably flying around, pulling 2-5k and thinking he's doing everything right. So be it.
The OP is just throwing out troll bait, trying to TRIBBLE people off and kiss a little Cryptic backside in the process.
Um, no. "As one of the few DHC users left in the game" the nerf simply does't affect you the way it does others.
It effects him because of the flat nerf on the consoles base damage. Unless he isn't currently using Embassy consoles at all, in which case he's one of the players who's damage is too low to really be effected by anything.
The OP is just throwing out troll bait, trying to TRIBBLE people off and kiss a little Cryptic backside in the process.
I mean, it affects him less, because, using cannons and all, heretofore he wasn't getting the huge benefit from those consoles, like BFAW users were.
But yeah, this entire thread is just troll bait. I should know better than to bite. Thx for pointing that out.
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ONLY for exotic damage builds, even some of those can work better with science captains. DPS will always work better on Tactical captains that's the way it works, if your purpose in playing science is to do DPS then your going about it the wrong way. Science isn't meant to do DPS, that defeats the point of having more than one class of captain.
You know what though? Science can fly some tactical builds better, again it depends what you want to do. Id take a science captain in a Vape/Alpha striker or any escort build in a PvP setting over a Tactical captain. Do you want to know why? Subnuc... Mostly.
Looks like many in those channels will lose a good chunk of DPS.
Any word from the channels on this ?
Who cares? They're nothing but snobs that call you names. There are no redeeming qualities to them.
2. People can suck it, they act like a bunch of babies because Cryptic won't let them abuse the hell out of something anymore. I have no reason not to treat them like the children they are.[/quote]
If cryptic actually got their act together and made sure things worked correctly from the onset, then people wouldn't get the chance to "abuse" anything. But in true cryptic style, they release something half done as per usual, try and fix it, and end up making worse in other respects. Then ultimately end up nerfing it. The next nerf will involve FAW or beam weapons themselves!
You may be right but that has never been my experience. One of them hunted me down and did everything in his power to try and make my life miserable just because we disagreed about a weapon modifier. He failed obviously because I didn't care but it really turned me off to the DPS league. The things that happened in June haven't exactly bolstered my respect for them either.
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Original testing video from 4th June:
Discussion in the Tribble comments section:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums#/discussion/1198746/plasma-explosion-embassy-consoles-bfaw-crits/p1
Regards,
Snipey47a
I'm sure you'd be crying over this if it affected whatever build you use
From what I can tell, the problem people have with this 'fix' is that instead of fixing the issue (which was that it didn't crit with anything other than bfaw, while the intention was for it to be able to crit with anything), the powers that be simply removed it's ability to crit full stop, instead of actually making it work as the original intention was. Rather like a police force redefining what a crime is, when confronted with inconvenient statistics that show that crime had gone up.
Now, you just don't like bfaw. I get it and I'm pretty sure others get it too. Now can you please stop bleating about how much you hate it and let other people be without berating them for using what they see as an effective build that they actually want?
So are you saying we should nerf BFAW??
Yes, nerf the ever-loving TRIBBLE out of it!
Well I care, hence why I asked if the DPS Leagues will be doing a wipe or resetting the leaderboard ?
And no offense Isegn, but I've only met nice people in the DPS channel.
Sorry if you had a bad experience there.
As a Sci Captain myself, I don't know if I agree with this... the other FOTM build going around is the PRTG build... which favors Science Captains as is it. Seeing some of my own numbers from parsing, the amount of damage resistance debuffs, and number of science consoles I can carry... not sure we need a buff to exotic damage beyond what we already have access to.
IMO, your suggestion doesn't really resolve the "issue" just saves Sci captains from the nerf by bolstering another (IMO) overpowered FOTM build.
Call me old school... but personally, I don't think that Sci should have the damage potential of Tacs, nor the staying power of Eng...
2-3 Tac = DPS/Limited Heals
1-2 Eng = TANK/Threat Control/Agro Management/Self Heals
1 Sci = HEALER/CC
Now, I freely admit, that this ship has sailed over the horizon, as the game seems to be about a DPS race. Still, its what I believe made all classes viable. Missions (at least on advanced) should be balanced for WANTING a mixture of specialties/classes. I've thought for some time that a 5 Man DPS Squad should have extreme difficulty completing an Advanced STF.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
Wow..I thought max value on Exchange was 500MIL. For real? They capped now to 700MIL?
Original STO beta tester.
For a single item yes, but I was referring to everything that's gone into my build. If you read the other comments you would know this.
It is unfortunate you ran into such a person, but please don't lump an entire community into a stereotype because of that one person.
No it actually favors tacs with their damage buffs affecting PrtGen exotic damage abilities too.
Those aren't limited to science captains though. The only real science captain debuffs are Sensor Scan and Subnucleonic Beam. TBH, Tacs do better than Science when it comes to exotic abilities.
Which is currently true, and IMO not a bad thing. However, I wish that Sci captains would at least do better than Tacs when it comes to science abilities.
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Ah yes the old... the only ones really hurt will be you normal folk.. .cause us DPS gods can do it anyway. lol
This nerf was needed... having said that... Cryptic is also taking you all for fools.
These consoles where allowed to exist as long as they didn't have something newer to sell you.
Those consoles will be allowed to exist as long as they don't have something new to sell you.
Folks if you enjoy this game great... revolt play with what you have and stop chasing the never ending carrot. It will always always be positioned just a little ahead of you. Even if you catch it for a few months who cares... 20k,30,40k, or a bugged 80k does it matter... the mission still lasts a grand total of 3 min. lmao
If you want a challenge, you have to create them yourself. Like try and push a mirror ship to 20k dps with mk 12 purples... try and break 30k with nothing but kinetic... try to hit 10k dps while only flying backwards.
This game is CtD
Well, I happen to like the change and my tac PvE toon uses these plasma consoles (My sci one has 4 PrtG ones for an alt build), but it's a cannon build. I just use them for a bit of extra DPS, nothing more. I'm perfectly fine with the change. Playing PvE is still easy with the change.
They already nerfed them this is in fact BS. They keep messing with peoples builds whats the point in even having one?????
Seriously, wish there were upvote options for gems like this. BEST POST EVER.
Um, no. "As one of the few DHC users left in the game" the nerf simply does't affect you the way it does others.
How's about not nerfing FAW, but buffing cannons and torps instead?!
It effects him because of the flat nerf on the consoles base damage. Cannon users don't realize yet that they're getting nerfed too, and being that they're already further down the DPS chain, they will have a harder time absorbing it then Beam Users.
Unless he isn't currently using Embassy consoles at all, in which case he's one of the players who's damage is too low to really be effected either way. He's probably flying around, pulling 2-5k and thinking he's doing everything right. So be it.
The OP is just throwing out troll bait, trying to TRIBBLE people off and kiss a little Cryptic backside in the process.
I mean, it affects him less, because, using cannons and all, heretofore he wasn't getting the huge benefit from those consoles, like BFAW users were.
But yeah, this entire thread is just troll bait. I should know better than to bite.