Spent all my dilithium for the new ships so no upgrading this weekend. I too will wait until the Omage games begin, then its 30 wonderful days if not more of grinding but the pay off will be sweet just like last year. Hope they don't change it unless is better.
The whole rarity garbage is why when I upgrade, I STOP at Mk XIV regardless of what rarity the item winds up at. I do not "pay" for non-guaranteed returns, period. Even a lockbox is a better bet because you can get an item you can use or sell, and you at least stand a chance of breaking even on EC spent versus EC gained from selling, as some of the non-ship items can sometimes fetch a good price if you wait to sell them until the supply starts dropping. You do not get empty boxes, ever.
Whereas if you gamble on a rarity upgrade, you're just flushing resources down the toilet for NO return if it fails.
But I am glad for the warning from this thread that your chance of increasing rarity is reduced by this event. I will definitely sit it out.
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The pesimist in me cant help to think that this may be a trap, or some-what-of a bait and switch to make ppl upgrade their beams, since pretty much those are the only viable choice. Rummors are that cannons may get some tweaks in the future (distant probably) and borticus posted on reddit that a new system may be announce at STLV...
I guess I got lucky. I started with my entire build being MK IV VR with one weapon being UR. I burned just shy of 200K dil yesterday and got my entire build to mkIV UR. Three of my front weapons and one Dyson VL console went Epic as well. I guess RNGesus favored the Foolish (me) yesterday....lol
Edit: After reading this thread, I will say I won't upgrade anything else this weekend. Thanks to @rattler2 and @seaofsorrows for clarifying the "catch" to this upgrade weekend.
An update just in case anyone cares. I spent approximately 300k dilithium and upgraded three beam arrays to epic and another to ultra rare. I suppose that's not bad if you've got nothing else to spend dilithium on. ;-)
A little testing shows me that the rarity upgrade chance is bugged for UR>Epic and is halved, but VR>UR gives the proper full chance.
Nope, that's what it's supposed to do.
I've blown 350k dilithium so far and I have upgraded Mk VII weapons to Mk XIV which I bought already at Epic quality. I also have a set of Spire Tactical consoles to Mk XIV Epic which was really cheap. About 20k dilithium per console. I also got my Borg and Bioneural console Epic and my Cutting beam to UR. Consoles are pretty cheap but weapons and set pieces really lay on the pain. Probably take $10 worth of dilithium per Set piece to go Epic. Iconian is the only one worth it now anyways.
I got all my everything on my 5 feds to Mk 14. Getting them to epic is never going to happen. Upgrading's been... an okay experience. Being mk 14 is pretty awesome, but that's a lot of dil I just lost, and I don't have anything else left to upgrade.
Time to AFK a couple weeks to let some dil get refined again before continuing play.
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I spent around 150k Dilithium and upgraded the following to Mk XIV:
2 Mk XII Elachi VR Crescent Wave DHC
1 Mk XII Wide Arc UR Disruptor DHC
1 Mk XII Disruptor Quad Cannon
1 Mk XII Rare Rapid Fire Missile Launcher
1 Mk XII Rare Bio-neural Warhead
1 MK XII Rare Breen Transphasic Cluster Torpedo
1 Mk XII VR Gravimetric Photon Torpedo Launcher
1 Mk XI VR Hargh'peng Torpedo Launcher
1 Mk XII VR Neutronic Torpedo Launcer
1 Mk XII UR Particle Emission Plasma Torpedo Launcher
1 Mk XI VR Rapid Reload Transphasic Torpedo Launcher
1 Mk XII VR Undine Biotech Battle Armor
1 Mk XII VR Counter Command Multi Conduit Energy Relay Console
2 Mk XI UR Enhanced Neutronium Consoles
1 Mk XII VR Heavy Bio-Molecular Disruptor Turret
1 Mk XII VR Bio-Molecular Disruptor Turret
1 Mk XII VR Kinetic Cutting Beam
1 Mk XII VR Polaric Modulator Console
1 Mk XII VR Assimilated Module Console
1 Mk XII Rare Tachyokinetic Conversion Console
1 Mk XII Rare Bioneural Infusion Circuits Console
1 MK XI UR Disruptor Induction Coil Console
2 Mk XII VR Disruptor Induction Coil Consoles
1 Mk XII VR Harmonic Resonance Relay Console - This went to UR, the only one of all whose quality increased
1 Mk XII VR 3-piece KHG Ground Set
1 Mk XII UR TR-116B Sniper Rifle
So all in all quite a bit of equipment, BUT, I had no plans or thoughts that I was doing ANY of it for a Quality increase. If I got one, all the better. Given the past track record I had no illusions of getting a Quality increase. There was one or two items that had reached around 30% chance for that, numbers I had never seen before, but they did not succeed.
Quality Improvement chances are generally too low to expect other than having to dump bucket loads of Dilithium at it. I would prefer that they make the percentage fill on the line when you are pouring stuff into Items at Max Level (now Mk XIV) to be Quality Improvement instead, i.e., Mk XIV VR's next level is MK XIV UR when the normal % line is filled and then Mk XIV Epic after that. Use the same low % on the way up to Max Level (XIV now) as is in place now but make Quality Level Improvements the equivalent of the next Mk after reaching Max level.
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Confession: I'm a pretty frugal space person. I took advantage of the event to get my ferengi whip on Druk to epic my 14, to have absolute maximum ferengi swag.
Then, since I never play content on Druk and wanted to see what a ferengi whip could do, got the whip on my main to epic mk 14 too.
Could have just asked me. Old news.....
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I've never been this low on dil, wasted 150K to get 4 epics one of which was a eps conductive, sold all of it. This weekend helps those who need MKIV's and those who want epic versions of what they have. Many of us already have what you'd want to get out of this. Cryptic choose well after a dill event to add this, and from the posts I've seen, most of you did "sink" the dill they wanted out of the system.
They need to add this again at strategic times.
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Lol, sorry, just now got your whip to epic ...Seriously how can you not be there already? Lame.....
Well only quality upgrades were on my to-do list. I can tell you much luck there. Romulan Engine and one Turret turned epic on second roll. Since that worked faster than expected I also upgraded a cannon as well as a shield to ultra rare.
I also estimate my Dil burning during this weekend in the 200k reach for this. If cryptic would not hoard salvage tech and quality boosters like crown jewels behind elite pve and zen box garbage I would have consider spending more of my mountains over mountains of dil over this.
If I take the reaction of peeps I know in game into account I must admit that this weekend had a good impact on those who did not bother with the upgrade system so far.
Cryptic should have all its data how far the carrot for this business should be placed away from the community.
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cant help feeling the upgrading weekend was a big con , double tech points but the effect is half the quality improvement and since most of the time for me i need to get to around the 20% mark for it to to go up a grade there was basically no difference in the amount of tech packs and dilithium used ,
Didn't use it. I'm hoarding all my Dil till a T6 Oddy comes out.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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A little testing shows me that the rarity upgrade chance is bugged for UR>Epic and is halved, but VR>UR gives the proper full chance.
Nope, that's what it's supposed to do.
That is completely normal isn't it? I didn't realize it until I went off the deep end and used up the last of my kits upgrading a CE torpedo and ZC shotgun, which had much higher chances to upgrade rarity as blues. I bet that is something a lot of people are ignorant of, like I was, which makes them think the rarity upgrade chance is halved for the event when in fact it works completely normally.
cant help feeling the upgrading weekend was a big con , double tech points but the effect is half the quality improvement and since most of the time for me i need to get to around the 20% mark for it to to go up a grade there was basically no difference in the amount of tech packs and dilithium used ,
The quality chance wasnt affected. Actually the event was nice. Not only boosted your tech points, but it increased the ammount of upgrades you get in the R&D tabs. If you craft 2 superior upgrades, you had a chance to get 3. And so on. Not that i actually did too much , im really tired of the game lately, but there was not negative counterpart in this event.
@kittyflofy ... im level 20 in engineering r&d so i pretty much crit every time , i made 50-60 experimental's and about 80 superior's , i got 2 near enough every time , i never once saw a 3 , i didn't know that was happening for anyone .
I have spent quite a bit this past weekend on upgrades. I got my two main Romulans to MK XIV on all weapons, consoles and ship equipment, and I'm happy with that. For all the upgrades I did, I did not get a single level upgrade to UR, much less Epic. I didn't really expect to and wasn't trying to. Like others here, I don't do the gambling thing. I'm not going to spend any more for a minuscule chance at leveling it up.
I think the upgrade system is perfectly fair and reasonable as far as upgrading the MK. I would have no problem with it for getting UR/Epic, even if it were very expensive, if I knew I would get it after paying the cost. As long as it is a "maybe" it will remain a "no".
I don't go to the car dealer and throw them an extra 10k in the hopes of "maybe" getting a better car stereo, either.
That said, given my expectations of the weekend event, I was pleased with it and I hope they do them fairly often.
Yeah, I spent a ton this weekend... at least 260k DIL across two characters. My results:
5 Phaser Vulnerability Locators pushed to UR Mk XIV
3 Fleet/Crafted Engineering Consoles pushed to UR Mk XIV
1 Spire Warp Core pushed to UR Mk XIV
1 Bajoran Phaser Pistol pushed to UR Mk XIV (gained [CritD] at UR, already had [DoT] at VR)
1 Fleet Deflector pushed to UR Mk XIV
1 Spire Singularity Core pushed to Epic Mk XIV
1 Fleet Space Shield pushed to Epic Mk XIV
1 Fleet Impulse Engine pushed to Epic Mk XIV
1 Tal Shiar Deflector pushed to Epic Mk XIV (gained [PrtG] at VR, [Flow] at UR)
3 Disruptor Vulnerability Locators pushed to UR Mk XIV
6 Nanite Disruptor Beam Arrays pushed to VR Mk XIV
1 Tal Shiar Warp Core pushed to VR Mk XIV (too damn expensive)
2 Nanite Disruptor Ground Weapons to VR Mk XIV
1 Nanite Disruptor Pistol pushed to UR Mk XIV (gained [CritD] at UR)
1 Borg Prosthetic pushed to VR Mk XIV
1 Borg Prosthetic pushed to UR Mk XIV (gained [CritD] at UR)
1 Retro Phaser Array pushed to Rare Mk XIV (just for giggles on a third toon)
Not bad, but oy... I shudder to think of the costs it would take during a normal weekend!
I'm saving Dil for other things, so got most of the ship equipment for my main to mk XIII or in some cases XIV, but i'm not going for rarity upgrades. Having higher numbers on ship weapons and consoles like the elachi bioneural console is nice though.
@kittyflofy ... im level 20 in engineering r&d so i pretty much crit every time , i made 50-60 experimental's and about 80 superior's , i got 2 near enough every time , i never once saw a 3 , i didn't know that was happening for anyone .
Well, im doing superior upgrades all the time. And im getting more of them lol. If i craft 2 superior upgraders, sometimes i get 3. And sometimes even 4. Maybe a bug?? dunno, but its very welcome.. lol.
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Whereas if you gamble on a rarity upgrade, you're just flushing resources down the toilet for NO return if it fails.
But I am glad for the warning from this thread that your chance of increasing rarity is reduced by this event. I will definitely sit it out.
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Edit: After reading this thread, I will say I won't upgrade anything else this weekend. Thanks to @rattler2 and @seaofsorrows for clarifying the "catch" to this upgrade weekend.
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Nope, that's what it's supposed to do.
I've blown 350k dilithium so far and I have upgraded Mk VII weapons to Mk XIV which I bought already at Epic quality. I also have a set of Spire Tactical consoles to Mk XIV Epic which was really cheap. About 20k dilithium per console. I also got my Borg and Bioneural console Epic and my Cutting beam to UR. Consoles are pretty cheap but weapons and set pieces really lay on the pain. Probably take $10 worth of dilithium per Set piece to go Epic. Iconian is the only one worth it now anyways.
Yay, me too. And I did. But I wouldn't recommend it.
And here are the TRIBBLE up results: only 2 modifiers!
Edit: I just noticed the EC value on the weapon. You can see it in the screenshot.
Time to AFK a couple weeks to let some dil get refined again before continuing play.
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2 Mk XII Elachi VR Crescent Wave DHC
1 Mk XII Wide Arc UR Disruptor DHC
1 Mk XII Disruptor Quad Cannon
1 Mk XII Rare Rapid Fire Missile Launcher
1 Mk XII Rare Bio-neural Warhead
1 MK XII Rare Breen Transphasic Cluster Torpedo
1 Mk XII VR Gravimetric Photon Torpedo Launcher
1 Mk XI VR Hargh'peng Torpedo Launcher
1 Mk XII VR Neutronic Torpedo Launcer
1 Mk XII UR Particle Emission Plasma Torpedo Launcher
1 Mk XI VR Rapid Reload Transphasic Torpedo Launcher
1 Mk XII VR Undine Biotech Battle Armor
1 Mk XII VR Counter Command Multi Conduit Energy Relay Console
2 Mk XI UR Enhanced Neutronium Consoles
1 Mk XII VR Heavy Bio-Molecular Disruptor Turret
1 Mk XII VR Bio-Molecular Disruptor Turret
1 Mk XII VR Kinetic Cutting Beam
1 Mk XII VR Polaric Modulator Console
1 Mk XII VR Assimilated Module Console
1 Mk XII Rare Tachyokinetic Conversion Console
1 Mk XII Rare Bioneural Infusion Circuits Console
1 MK XI UR Disruptor Induction Coil Console
2 Mk XII VR Disruptor Induction Coil Consoles
1 Mk XII VR Harmonic Resonance Relay Console - This went to UR, the only one of all whose quality increased
1 Mk XII VR 3-piece KHG Ground Set
1 Mk XII UR TR-116B Sniper Rifle
So all in all quite a bit of equipment, BUT, I had no plans or thoughts that I was doing ANY of it for a Quality increase. If I got one, all the better. Given the past track record I had no illusions of getting a Quality increase. There was one or two items that had reached around 30% chance for that, numbers I had never seen before, but they did not succeed.
Quality Improvement chances are generally too low to expect other than having to dump bucket loads of Dilithium at it. I would prefer that they make the percentage fill on the line when you are pouring stuff into Items at Max Level (now Mk XIV) to be Quality Improvement instead, i.e., Mk XIV VR's next level is MK XIV UR when the normal % line is filled and then Mk XIV Epic after that. Use the same low % on the way up to Max Level (XIV now) as is in place now but make Quality Level Improvements the equivalent of the next Mk after reaching Max level.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
And I didn't even create my own forum thread about it .
Why not both? I'm laughing out loud and crying inside.
I'm just quoting you to watch your sig some more.....
Could have just asked me. Old news.....
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I've never been this low on dil, wasted 150K to get 4 epics one of which was a eps conductive, sold all of it. This weekend helps those who need MKIV's and those who want epic versions of what they have. Many of us already have what you'd want to get out of this. Cryptic choose well after a dill event to add this, and from the posts I've seen, most of you did "sink" the dill they wanted out of the system.
They need to add this again at strategic times.
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Lol, sorry, just now got your whip to epic ...Seriously how can you not be there already? Lame.....
I also estimate my Dil burning during this weekend in the 200k reach for this. If cryptic would not hoard salvage tech and quality boosters like crown jewels behind elite pve and zen box garbage I would have consider spending more of my mountains over mountains of dil over this.
If I take the reaction of peeps I know in game into account I must admit that this weekend had a good impact on those who did not bother with the upgrade system so far.
Cryptic should have all its data how far the carrot for this business should be placed away from the community.
Looking for a fun PvE fleet? Join us at Omega Combat Division today.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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That is completely normal isn't it? I didn't realize it until I went off the deep end and used up the last of my kits upgrading a CE torpedo and ZC shotgun, which had much higher chances to upgrade rarity as blues. I bet that is something a lot of people are ignorant of, like I was, which makes them think the rarity upgrade chance is halved for the event when in fact it works completely normally.
The quality chance wasnt affected. Actually the event was nice. Not only boosted your tech points, but it increased the ammount of upgrades you get in the R&D tabs. If you craft 2 superior upgrades, you had a chance to get 3. And so on. Not that i actually did too much , im really tired of the game lately, but there was not negative counterpart in this event.
Not giving a flying fck about epic. There is nothing epic i see there.
I think the upgrade system is perfectly fair and reasonable as far as upgrading the MK. I would have no problem with it for getting UR/Epic, even if it were very expensive, if I knew I would get it after paying the cost. As long as it is a "maybe" it will remain a "no".
I don't go to the car dealer and throw them an extra 10k in the hopes of "maybe" getting a better car stereo, either.
That said, given my expectations of the weekend event, I was pleased with it and I hope they do them fairly often.
5 Phaser Vulnerability Locators pushed to UR Mk XIV
3 Fleet/Crafted Engineering Consoles pushed to UR Mk XIV
1 Spire Warp Core pushed to UR Mk XIV
1 Bajoran Phaser Pistol pushed to UR Mk XIV (gained [CritD] at UR, already had [DoT] at VR)
1 Fleet Deflector pushed to UR Mk XIV
1 Spire Singularity Core pushed to Epic Mk XIV
1 Fleet Space Shield pushed to Epic Mk XIV
1 Fleet Impulse Engine pushed to Epic Mk XIV
1 Tal Shiar Deflector pushed to Epic Mk XIV (gained [PrtG] at VR, [Flow] at UR)
3 Disruptor Vulnerability Locators pushed to UR Mk XIV
6 Nanite Disruptor Beam Arrays pushed to VR Mk XIV
1 Tal Shiar Warp Core pushed to VR Mk XIV (too damn expensive)
2 Nanite Disruptor Ground Weapons to VR Mk XIV
1 Nanite Disruptor Pistol pushed to UR Mk XIV (gained [CritD] at UR)
1 Borg Prosthetic pushed to VR Mk XIV
1 Borg Prosthetic pushed to UR Mk XIV (gained [CritD] at UR)
1 Retro Phaser Array pushed to Rare Mk XIV (just for giggles on a third toon)
Not bad, but oy... I shudder to think of the costs it would take during a normal weekend!
Well, im doing superior upgrades all the time. And im getting more of them lol. If i craft 2 superior upgraders, sometimes i get 3. And sometimes even 4. Maybe a bug?? dunno, but its very welcome.. lol.