*facepalm* Cryptic just isn't even trying any more are they?
The nacelles are too long and too tall, the saucer is too long and too tall, the engineering hull is too fat, aesthetically the only not bad parts are the nacelle pylons and the texturing.
I could learn to live with the model... especially since you can use/kitbash it with the original Excelsior parts but the stats... just -UGH- we have 4 command slot cruisers already, and 3 intel ones; what we now -need- is a pilot one... this could have been the perfect ship for that for reasons others have already posted but no... once again Cryptic has managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And an Ensign engineering slot? Not a universal one? Seriously?!?
The ship hasn't actually been released yet... and changing the boff and console layouts wouldn't take more then a few minutes or so, Cryptic -could- still turn this around.... but of course they won't.
To paraphrase the old joke about poor players making bad starship captains:
Cryptic: You are Bad Starship Designers and you should Feel Bad!
I too am disappointed. I love the excelsior (so I wouldn't put that new fugly skin on it), and It offers nothing over my fleet T5U excelsior worth 3000 zen. I agree that a pilot hybrid would be more interesting at least. would need at least a few changes before I would ever be interested in it. Although it is kinda nice not having to worry about whether I would buy it or not
Reading the responses, I have to concur with the suggested Pilot-hybrid seat. No matter how removed from any generally accepted Trek canon the STO starship mechanics may sometimes be, it's an opportunity lost to bridge perceived gaps. The Devs need to stop being afraid of taking these kind of chances.
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I'm a sad panda - Seriously, what does this offer over the fleet T5-U version, unless you're burning to use command boff skills? It's the first T6 with no uni at all, I hope this isn't a trend setting here. I thought I read a while ago in the early notes, that one of the distinguishing features of T6 ships would be uni slots... Did I imagine that, or was that real?
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Really strange that it's a T6 ship with no universal BOFF slots. As is, it's pretty Engineering-heavy. I could see where that might encourage slotting Command skills instead, though. Unfortunately, I don't have any Eng-Command BOFF's that I could slot and don't have any characters with enough Command to create the Spec manual.
I like the looks of it, though, and if my main characters didn't already have so many transwarp destinations I'd find the Adv. Transwarp Drive on a T6 ship to be a strong incentive.
The good news about this ship is that Cryptic is continuing to release T6 versions of some of the more popular T5 ships and the trend is likely to continue. I believe I'll be holding out for a T6 Defiant, T6 BoP, and -- dare I hope? -- a T6 Vesta?
You have a couple options for getting a command bridge officer.
#1 Play the episode 'Dust to Dust'. I believe it's the first episode in the 'Iconian War' story arc. While inside the temple you'll come to a part where you have to navigate through a maze. Look for a yellow 'i' icon on your map and navigate to it. You'll find a lost female Kobali and when talking to her she gives the option to join your crew as a bridge officer and she comes with the command specialization.
#2 I believe specialization training manuals can be traded so you could check the exchange. It might be a little pricey but it's still an option.
Here's a way to "fix" the ship and to actually honor the "Stats subject to change" mantra they post on every blog. Change the LTC to an Engineer/Command/Pilot hybrid station. That will make up for the lack of a Universal, make the ship somewhat unique and give some fans the pilot ability that the Excelsior's captain inspired and not interfere with the current ships that will be sold tomorrow. So if we have to wait a week for the next patch to make this work, I'm fine with that, and if you do do this, then you have at least one more sale.
Make it so!
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Yay tanking! Oh wait, nobody does that anymore... and this ship is about the same for tanking as ... well never mind. I may get it for the one Alt who can't transwarp everywhere. No wait, I could just have him stay in one place all the time and farm... Aww heck, Is anybody loving this ship?
Yay tanking! Oh wait, nobody does that anymore... and this ship is about the same for tanking as ... well never mind. I may get it for the one Alt who can't transwarp everywhere. No wait, I could just have him stay in one place all the time and farm... Aww heck, Is anybody loving this ship?
Yeah I do, that's part of what makes it sorta sad. I never expected that much command on it, not a bad thing, but not good either after the Galaxy.
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So, you're telling me that the ship that Fly Her Apart originated from doesn't get a Pilot seat to slot Fly Her Apart?
Is anyone even paying attention anymore?
I think that is the weird aspect of the ship. I suppose they picked Command because the Command Cruisers were Excelsior inspired, and maybe the trait they had in mind also buffed a Command skill: But it would feel better if they had given it a Pilot seat so it can Flown be apart.
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LOL It baffles me just how many people aparently don't know how to use an Excelsior. No wonder the general opinion on STO's population is that it can't handle any content that requires any ammont of gray matter involved.
This. I am amused by the cries of "every eng slot being a waste" - I think people don't know to play anything if they can't slot the "DPS-wizard" tested stock builds on them. On my T6 Galaxy I even use the universal as eng to keep my T5 build
The Excelsior is an okay ship and it being en par (even with more tac consoles) than the Andromeda is okay, but I never was motivated enough to grind any version of it (I bought the T3 Excelsior for 300k Energy Credits back in the day, though). Now the Excel is there I chime on the T6 Nebula chorus. Make it so!
EDIT: The only thing I agree with is that we face an oversaturation on LTC tac/LTCeng/command cruisers right now. Especially since command powers arguably have the least thought put into them. A bit more versatility in the line-up would be appreciated.
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EDIT: The only thing I agree with is that we face an oversaturation on LTC tac/LTCeng/command cruisers right now. Especially since command powers arguably have the least thought put into them. A bit more versatility in the line-up would be appreciated.
LTC/Tac is apparently seen as a neccessity by players these days for a Cruiser - if it doesn't have it, it's dead to them. So Cryptic doesn't make them. I guess it will cause them less problems if they suddenly balanced stuff around again so that BFAW is not the non-plus-ultra in DPS builds anymore.
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There isn't much point in adding yet another voice to the chorus of players upset about this new "not Excelsior" T6 ship, but I hope the devs are reading this thread and understand why current players who are fans of the Excelsior are so upset about both the new design and the specs of this T6 ship.
In the immortal words of Captain Sisko: "It may not be what you believe, but that doesn't make it wrong."
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There isn't much point in adding yet another voice to the chorus of players upset about this new "not Excelsior" T6 ship, but I hope the devs are reading this thread and understand why current players who are fans of the Excelsior are so upset about both the new design and the specs of this T6 ship.
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I think most fans of the T5 Excelsior are okay with the stats (the T6 skin is neglectable, you will only use the Excel skin anyway). There is a very grumpy minority, but the T6 Excel is essentially the exact same ship with an upgraded BOFF station, so you can do what you did before and add a little bit to it. This is exactly what we expect from T6 upgrades. If you just want the new ship to be the bestest according to third party estimates you will never be statisfied I'm afraid. And if you are currently upset with the T5 Retro Excelsior you probably don't play with it anyway.
LTC/Tac is apparently seen as a neccessity by players these days for a Cruiser - if it doesn't have it, it's dead to them. So Cryptic doesn't make them. I guess it will cause them less problems if they suddenly balanced stuff around again so that BFAW is not the non-plus-ultra in DPS builds anymore.
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I completely agree with everything, including the signature part
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I think most fans of the T5 Excelsior are okay with the stats (the T6 skin is neglectable, you will only use the Excel skin anyway). There is a very grumpy minority, but the T6 Excel is essentially the exact same ship with an upgraded BOFF station, so you can do what you did before and add a little bit to it. This is exactly what we expect from T6 upgrades. If you just want the new ship to be the bestest according to third party estimates you will never be statisfied I'm afraid. And if you are currently upset with the T5 Retro Excelsior you probably don't play with it anyway
LOL It baffles me just how many people aparently don't know how to use an Excelsior. No wonder the general opinion on STO's population is that it can't handle any content that requires any ammont of gray matter involved.
Well, knowing that the new excelsior is almost exactly like any other T6 cruiser out there, it will be foolish to think this new excelsior is different from any other ship. So, whoever say that, obviously has zero capabilities on playing this game lol. Because probably he is piloting a ship that performs exactly as the new excelsior lol.
I'm a HUGE fan of the Excelsior. Always have been, so I was VERY excited when this was announced.
But I thought that at the very least the ensign slot would be made universal as it was on the T6 Galaxy.
This was sort of how I felt. I don't mind the skin (Especially since you can just use the old one) or really any of the stats... except that one. An Ensign/Universal might not seem all that big, but it does add more flexability to the ship. And no, I don't mean so someone can just have an extra FAW either, as one might want to use it for an extra sci ability if, for example, they are leveling the mastery on a sci alt. In the end it is a pretty good ship, it would just be a bit better and more customizable with one minor universal slot. That's just my two EC anyway, I'm sure some would disagree and thats alright with me.
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Cant believe it.. people really complaining because they dont have just 1 ensign universal station????? amazing... yeah because you have sooo much flexibility with just 1 uni ensign station lol.
I can see where they were going with this skin. Like an Odyssey with flourishes of the Excelsior design. It's not as classy as the original, but it could grow on ya.
Stat-wise, though, sad to say, the Resolute doesn't even come close to being as versatile as the Arbiter. Personally, I'd have made the Ensign slot Sci, and the LT slot pilot/universal. Then it might be interesting.
It's a much nicer ship than the old Excelsior IMO (hated the look of the original). I might buy it in the future for alts that aren't in established fleets with almost full access to different Transwarp destinations. Thankfully the trait isn't a must-have this time.
It's a much nicer ship than the old Excelsior IMO (hated the look of the original). I might buy it in the future for alts that aren't in established fleets with almost full access to different Transwarp destinations. Thankfully the trait isn't a must-have this time.
In the future?? dude, in the future you will have better choices than this excelsior. Again, you have plenty of cruisers to fly that are exactly like this excelsior. The original look was that, the original and thats the reason a lot of people like it and the only reason they wanted a better version to fit the original skin. If they didnt have the original skin, im pretty sure almost nobody will buy this ship. Because i already have other 4 or 5 options that actually are exactly the same as this excelsior lol. (aka t6 cruisers).
I keep reading how the fleet version is better, so that begs the question is you buy this can these parts be used on the Excelsior Fleet and Refit versions too? That would solve some of peoples issues if they want the style but not the layout.
I'm a sad panda - Seriously, what does this offer over the fleet T5-U version, unless you're burning to use command boff skills? It's the first T6 with no uni at all, I hope this isn't a trend setting here. I thought I read a while ago in the early notes, that one of the distinguishing features of T6 ships would be uni slots... Did I imagine that, or was that real?
Here's a way to "fix" the ship and to actually honor the "Stats subject to change" mantra they post on every blog. Change the LTC to an Engineer/Command/Pilot hybrid station. That will make up for the lack of a Universal, make the ship somewhat unique and give some fans the pilot ability that the Excelsior's captain inspired and not interfere with the current ships that will be sold tomorrow. So if we have to wait a week for the next patch to make this work, I'm fine with that, and if you do do this, then you have at least one more sale.
So, you're telling me that the ship that Fly Her Apart originated from doesn't get a Pilot seat to slot Fly Her Apart?
Is anyone even paying attention anymore?
Agreed. And no. The posting is made about the ship, but feedback is ignored. If they were to acknowledge feedback and make an adjustment, the fear is that will allow the nose of the camel in the tent.
I'd like to add that I to share the bewilderment of everyone else as to why the console of this variant wasn't adjusted to make a 2-console set? It just makes no sense... *smh*
In the future?? dude, in the future you will have better choices than this excelsior. Again, you have plenty of cruisers to fly that are exactly like this excelsior. The original look was that, the original and thats the reason a lot of people like it and the only reason they wanted a better version to fit the original skin. If they didnt have the original skin, im pretty sure almost nobody will buy this ship. Because i already have other 4 or 5 options that actually are exactly the same as this excelsior lol. (aka t6 cruisers).
In the future, is because I do have unloved and underleveled Fed Engineers that can make use of the Resolute just to grab the trait to serve as a poor version of Kemocite Laced Weaponry (to use with the Presidios), and aren't part of any established fleet with a near-complete or complete Transwarp gate.
Since those alts aren't developed and have little to no extra Starship Mastery Traits, the Resolute will serve well as a regular site-to-site transport (as the old low level version has) as well as a quick break from the Presidio-class that they will eventually command.
Sure there will be better choices by then, but the value of the ship's Mastery Trait is reasonable for Engineers in Command cruisers, and can be something I can spare some change towards when the time comes. For now though, I'm focused on saving for the upcoming Dreadnought and T6 Prometheus ships.
As to people wondering when we'll get a Pilot Spec cruiser, I'm guessing that will be with the T6 Sovereign.
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The nacelles are too long and too tall, the saucer is too long and too tall, the engineering hull is too fat, aesthetically the only not bad parts are the nacelle pylons and the texturing.
I could learn to live with the model... especially since you can use/kitbash it with the original Excelsior parts but the stats... just -UGH- we have 4 command slot cruisers already, and 3 intel ones; what we now -need- is a pilot one... this could have been the perfect ship for that for reasons others have already posted but no... once again Cryptic has managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And an Ensign engineering slot? Not a universal one? Seriously?!?
The ship hasn't actually been released yet... and changing the boff and console layouts wouldn't take more then a few minutes or so, Cryptic -could- still turn this around.... but of course they won't.
To paraphrase the old joke about poor players making bad starship captains:
Cryptic: You are Bad Starship Designers and you should Feel Bad!
as an Excelsior upgrade this is just bad...
saucer should have retained a more rounded theme, and the seating is wrong, and yes, pilot would have made one hell of a sell for this ship...
bright side the kdf and romulans cant complain about the ship stats since they got no copy pasted version.
You have a couple options for getting a command bridge officer.
#1 Play the episode 'Dust to Dust'. I believe it's the first episode in the 'Iconian War' story arc. While inside the temple you'll come to a part where you have to navigate through a maze. Look for a yellow 'i' icon on your map and navigate to it. You'll find a lost female Kobali and when talking to her she gives the option to join your crew as a bridge officer and she comes with the command specialization.
#2 I believe specialization training manuals can be traded so you could check the exchange. It might be a little pricey but it's still an option.
Hope this helps.
Off Topic: Still waiting on T6 versions for Oddessy, Bortusqe, Simitar, Defiant, B'rel and T'varo starships.
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Yeah I do, that's part of what makes it sorta sad. I never expected that much command on it, not a bad thing, but not good either after the Galaxy.
I think that is the weird aspect of the ship. I suppose they picked Command because the Command Cruisers were Excelsior inspired, and maybe the trait they had in mind also buffed a Command skill: But it would feel better if they had given it a Pilot seat so it can Flown be apart.
This. I am amused by the cries of "every eng slot being a waste" - I think people don't know to play anything if they can't slot the "DPS-wizard" tested stock builds on them. On my T6 Galaxy I even use the universal as eng to keep my T5 build
The Excelsior is an okay ship and it being en par (even with more tac consoles) than the Andromeda is okay, but I never was motivated enough to grind any version of it (I bought the T3 Excelsior for 300k Energy Credits back in the day, though). Now the Excel is there I chime on the T6 Nebula chorus. Make it so!
EDIT: The only thing I agree with is that we face an oversaturation on LTC tac/LTCeng/command cruisers right now. Especially since command powers arguably have the least thought put into them. A bit more versatility in the line-up would be appreciated.
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But I thought that at the very least the ensign slot would be made universal as it was on the T6 Galaxy.
THAT was what tipped the scales into me deciding not to buy this.
I will wait now for the T6 assault cruiser, whenever it's scheduled.
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I think most fans of the T5 Excelsior are okay with the stats (the T6 skin is neglectable, you will only use the Excel skin anyway). There is a very grumpy minority, but the T6 Excel is essentially the exact same ship with an upgraded BOFF station, so you can do what you did before and add a little bit to it. This is exactly what we expect from T6 upgrades. If you just want the new ship to be the bestest according to third party estimates you will never be statisfied I'm afraid. And if you are currently upset with the T5 Retro Excelsior you probably don't play with it anyway.
I completely agree with everything, including the signature part
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Well, knowing that the new excelsior is almost exactly like any other T6 cruiser out there, it will be foolish to think this new excelsior is different from any other ship. So, whoever say that, obviously has zero capabilities on playing this game lol. Because probably he is piloting a ship that performs exactly as the new excelsior lol.
This was sort of how I felt. I don't mind the skin (Especially since you can just use the old one) or really any of the stats... except that one. An Ensign/Universal might not seem all that big, but it does add more flexability to the ship. And no, I don't mean so someone can just have an extra FAW either, as one might want to use it for an extra sci ability if, for example, they are leveling the mastery on a sci alt. In the end it is a pretty good ship, it would just be a bit better and more customizable with one minor universal slot. That's just my two EC anyway, I'm sure some would disagree and thats alright with me.
Stat-wise, though, sad to say, the Resolute doesn't even come close to being as versatile as the Arbiter. Personally, I'd have made the Ensign slot Sci, and the LT slot pilot/universal. Then it might be interesting.
It's a much nicer ship than the old Excelsior IMO (hated the look of the original). I might buy it in the future for alts that aren't in established fleets with almost full access to different Transwarp destinations. Thankfully the trait isn't a must-have this time.
In the future?? dude, in the future you will have better choices than this excelsior. Again, you have plenty of cruisers to fly that are exactly like this excelsior. The original look was that, the original and thats the reason a lot of people like it and the only reason they wanted a better version to fit the original skin. If they didnt have the original skin, im pretty sure almost nobody will buy this ship. Because i already have other 4 or 5 options that actually are exactly the same as this excelsior lol. (aka t6 cruisers).
Yes....
Agreed....
Go on....
Since those alts aren't developed and have little to no extra Starship Mastery Traits, the Resolute will serve well as a regular site-to-site transport (as the old low level version has) as well as a quick break from the Presidio-class that they will eventually command.
Sure there will be better choices by then, but the value of the ship's Mastery Trait is reasonable for Engineers in Command cruisers, and can be something I can spare some change towards when the time comes. For now though, I'm focused on saving for the upcoming Dreadnought and T6 Prometheus ships.
As to people wondering when we'll get a Pilot Spec cruiser, I'm guessing that will be with the T6 Sovereign.