I've been waiting for a 25th century skin and update for the Excelsior for years (and have had 3000 zen stashed away for several months now anticipating a Tier 6 version). Thank you Cryptic, this is much appreciated! :-) (...and to back up Borticus there's another pic of the Resolute on Reddit at the mo, from below, that looks much more Excelsior-like).
I can see a portion of it being Excelsior, but I also see too much Command Cruiser/Regent/Odyssey ships:
The main issue is the saucer, the problem is the dome under is circular, and the command deck is rounded off so we have two parts that flat out clash visually with the overall shape of the saucer. Expected if they did the Arrowhead shape they would have went more Guardian cruiser rounded off shape over the sharper one they show here. The location of the impulse engines...oh dear...almost all cruisers seem to have them out where they are placed (except the Command ships now...) Would have preferred them more in the center, and wider...stylized thin I guess?
The Nacelles I can see show some of the actual wrap around of the blue warp coil grill like the Excelsior, but the problem is the gigantic Bussard collectors= Command Cruiser. To the point they kind of break the style of what is behind them. I like the Nacelles overall shape, but I would have liked it to look sort of like the Avenger class (T5) front Nacelle style - only instead of one Bussard collector opening there would be two smaller/thinner ones to match the size of the warp coil line (OR match the T6 Explorer Andromeda Class Bussards) Also their size, they seem shorter than one would think. And they connect in the middle section like...the Connie/some other ships do with the pylons so it kind of looks odd (though the pylons do look good!). I will miss the fins/thruster assemblies...
The Neck appears to be fine. Though it looks like it slopes down the back like some other ships, this is okay! The secondary hull just looks like it's thicker in the back, this is okay, only thing I'm wondering about is the bulge at the bottom missing that dark/field thingy that most Fed Cruisers have.
If you are keeping the nacelles and saucer way they are, I request "B" version parts in the future if you will... like the current Advanced Heavy Cruiser line has:
The secondary Hull gets the Ent-B type thingy on it too, The Engines like I described earlier visually, The saucer though, I would not mind a change: instead of a circle, or arrowhead, go the route of the Exploration/Galaxy/Andromeda variants....only, more extreme to a actual oval if you need the pointy fix, or maybe a Stadium shape? ( dimensional geometric shape constructed of a rectangle with semicircles at a pair of opposite sides.)
That is all. I'm tired, forgive spelling/grammar at this hour, please.
The design of the Command Cruisers are more-or-less inspired by the Excelsior-class if you take a closer look at them and the nacelles look like they came from the Constitution refit in terms of design too. I believe that th saucer section should be rounded off, the nacelles from the Odyssey or Sovereign would look better and maybe sweep the pylons backwards
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I am guessing that the quality of the ship is equal to the quality of the advertisement of the ship? As in low quality, like the advertisement of the ship is lacking all the information that is important, so the ship must also be lacking everything that is important? Is that how this works now? Or is the staff just getting lazy? Either way, not good, not good.
why so many new funny lookin SUBMARINES.....when will this game become a 360 flight mechanic game....and not a silly submarine simulator........just askin is all.......
OK, after looking at the second picture, I can say that you got the secondary hull right, that looks good.
But the chevron saucer and over-sized nacelles are killing it for me. The Excelsior was known for its edgy lines and 100% round saucer (barring impulse engines). None of this is here. Another problem is that you guys don't offer customization on new models, its got 1 new variant and you better like it, or its back to the original one. Why not do what you did for the Guardian and offer an alternate version with slimmer nacelles and round saucer?
And yes, I could just use the old model, obviously. However, for once I was seriously wishing the 2410 model was good, because I CANNOT JUSTIFY THIS ANCIENT TUG AT T6!
Flying an Excelsior at Fleet T5U already felt weird, this thing is too good for an Excelsior, since its stats can only be better than the aforementioned variant. Why do we get to fly this as the only TOS fed ship at this level? If we can have a state-of-the-art Excelsior that competes with brand-spanking new command cruisers, surely the other TOS ships are just easily justifiable? You know, like the Centaur and Miranda we saw right beside these things all the time in TNG/DS9? Might as well go all the way.
But hey, we can't even get those at T5, because C(BS).
That second angle, ok I agree - there's an Excelsior throwback thing happening there. Definitely in line with the Command cruiser styling, but I suppose that's what Starfleet is pumping out these days. The 'old' style of circular saucers disappeared midway through DS9 anyways, with the Akira, Defiant, then Voyager, the Prometheus... the list goes on.
This new layout looks like a nice cross between the old-style Starfleet ships and the stuff that had been released in the later series / movies.
Only problem I have with this, is it's another +1 for the Feddies over the KDF and Romulans. Not really pleased with that, but I'll admit that it's been a good run of ships for all factions for the last while. Here's hoping that comes again soon.
Oh please. This game was calls "Escorts Online" last year. A T6 Escort was just released. Seriously?
Lol. Next they'll get around to releasing a batch of science ships, and players will be crying "Flying Tricorders Online." I don't mind cruisers getting some lovin' for the moment.
That second angle, ok I agree - there's an Excelsior throwback thing happening there. Definitely in line with the Command cruiser styling, but I suppose that's what Starfleet is pumping out these days. The 'old' style of circular saucers disappeared midway through DS9 anyways, with the Akira, Defiant, then
Dude, you still dont get it, right? its not about the line of design the starfleet is following. Its about flying OLD ships with new stats. A classic old ship like the excelsior should never ever get a "NEW" modern saucer, because it will be no more the excelsior.
I mean, is this so hard to understand for some players? lol..
So Romulans get nothing, but feds get anther ship? KDF get screwed too?
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to complain about romulan and kdf content.. thank you for answering that question.
Normally i would tell you to google T6 T=varo or T6 Gurumba, but our preview source has removed its content after too many people linked to their site on this forum.
And i normally would tell you that please write any assurance that the tvaro and the garumba are happening, because we hear this song since years ago.
Yep, I happen to think she's a beauty. If her stats are what I think they're going to be like she going to be every bit as rock solid in a fight as her predecessors. THAT looks like a federation battlecruiser.
Yikes! If that really is the boff layout, then I've just got to pass on this. That much of an eng bias simply doesn't work, something which has been known since...ohh, 2011? There are far too many useful eng powers that overlap to cause global CDs and the rest of the eng powers are simply flat out useless.
If that lt cmdr were a uni, now THAT would be pretty damned powerful. That iffy layout on top of a not so pretty boat makes it a "no" for me.
That said, there doesn't seem to be any mention of specialisations in the boff seating which makes me wonder if those stats are legit.
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I rather like those nacelles though, despite the glowy bit wrapping around the backs of them (Something I dislike as intensely as the white glowy thing under most saucers nowadays).
Btw, is there any chance we could shrink those beams a wee bit?
Well, it's going to get a Command seat due to the Trait. My bet is to the LtC Eng slot. Frankly, I'm not too surprised at the seating arrangement as the goal was to make the T6 as close to the original seating (if not keep it the same). This will force current users to tweak BOffs, but not drastically.
Also, I think the Command Battlecruisers are being the trend-setters. With the outpouring of "Everything is awesome" from them, Cryptic is simply riding that tide. Maybe that tide has washed away? Having said that, there is clearly a link from them to the Resolute. Lazy or not, it actually does make some sense from a design perspective. If the Resolute has a hangar, then I'd call Cryptic truly lazy with this design.
Maybe Roms and KDF are coming soon, I don't know. If there is a design style that is ****ing worn out, it's the bird wings for Romulans and the Q-Tip fronts for Klingons. C'mon.
Dude, you still dont get it, right? its not about the line of design the starfleet is following. Its about flying OLD ships with new stats. A classic old ship like the excelsior should never ever get a "NEW" modern saucer, because it will be no more the excelsior.
I mean, is this so hard to understand for some players? lol..
That's why you can use all the original pieces. If you want to say your Excelsior has been refit on the inside, go for it. But if you want to use the 2410 ship that Starfleet built with a nod to the original class, that's an option too.
If they said 'here's the new ship, but bugger to you if you want to use the old pieces,' yeah then I'd be kinda annoyed. But the way they've been offering the T6 variants (and the T5 and T4 mods before that) should be able to please everyone.
Maybe Roms and KDF are coming soon, I don't know. If there is a design style that is ****ing worn out, it's the bird wings for Romulans and the Q-Tip fronts for Klingons. C'mon.
The bird wings are kinda what we do. There'd be an outcry from most of the Romulan playerbase if they did something that wasn't bird-like in some way.
Lol the layout is the same as any other T6 cruiser... as i said, and i was right, the only difference between this cruiser and others will be only the mastery lol. So, if you get rid of the classic excelsior look and not only that, you dont make any difference in the layout sit.. who the hell is going to buy this?? lol. Right, the excelsior users that want a T6 cruiser with the old look.. i get it.. but.. seriously, not going to buy this ship just for the sake of it.
That's why you can use all the original pieces. If you want to say your Excelsior has been refit on the inside, go for it. But if you want to use the 2410 ship that Starfleet built with a nod to the original class, that's an option too.
Of course, everybody knows that, but you still missed the point, which is, the actual design is too "modern". For start that saucer is horrible and it has nothing to do with an excelsior class. You can make modern parts keeping the classic look, but i guess cryptic designers are too lacking on skills to do that since ages ago.
This looks very nice. I like how it look like a more "modern" version. They got the look and looks better than the garbage Fed ships they threw at us these last few months. With only a few exceptions.
Saucer: I rather went with round ones from the Concorde/Geneva Command Cruisers. To me that would look better on this ship. And not the chevron type.
Neck: Excelsior all the way. Glad they kept that.
Star drive: Excelsior all the way. They made it slightly thicker too. To handle more crew and equipment. To show this new ship can handle more tasks.
Pylons: Fits well with the ship.
Nacelles: I like them. They show they got upgraded and more power. I don't mind those as much.
Good news is you can make the older Excelsior or add parts to make a fully customized one from these offerings.
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Of course, everybody knows that, but you still missed the point, which is, the actual design is too "modern". For start that saucer is horrible and it has nothing to do with an excelsior class. You can make modern parts keeping the classic look, but i guess cryptic designers are too lacking on skills to do that since ages ago.
Somehow, I doubt that your personal dislike of the design equates with the desigers' ability to design. They chose an aesthetic (which in fact, seems to have sold farily well for the other ships), and are running with it for a while.
Don't like it? Don't buy it, and cool your engines for a bit.
They are just command cruisers, not "Battle" cruisers.
Actually, if you look at any of the promotional material, the blogs, the wikis, etc... you would know quite well that they are battlecruisers. First, they can equip cannons, second they have the gimped cruiser communications array of a battlecruiser, third they have the battlecruiser mastery package and fourth "Battlecruiser" is literally in their name.
As to the "rumor ships," I'd put more stock in them if I were you. The now locked away "source" has always been right before, including predicting the release of the T6 Excelsior. Still, it's ok if you don't want to believe for now, as time will show the truth soon enough. I myself eagerly await a fleet Andromeda-X (Assuming they would be kind enough to include that skin in the predicted T6 Dreadnaught *cough* hint hint *cough* )
Still, and back on topic, I do agree with you on the look of the new Excelsior. When I heard about the "rumors" from "the source" a few weeks back, I foolishly was hoping that we would finally get a classic-ish design with just some modern aesthetics. Instead the resolute looks like a mini Presidio (I should know, I fly a presidio on one of my alts). There is nothing inherently wrong with that except that its not really an excelsior. And while yes, we can use the old skins, for some reason I have a hard time convincingly imagining even a Lakota type excelsior surviving an encounter with Heralds. Even so, one can't help having nostalgia for the beautiful old girl, so perhaps I'll buy it eventually and use the old skin anyway.
Finally, kittyflofy, is there any chance you could tone it down with the lols. Not judging or trying to start something, but your constant and sometimes inexplicable use of the phrase is beggining to feel like nails on a chalkboard. (Cue snarky remark or a wall o' lols ) Still it would be greatly appriciated if you would.
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Hmm the nacelles are way too big, it looks kind of odd.
If you mean they are too "tall" then I can agree a bit. Still, in the interest of transperancy, I should admit I've never been a fan of the recent "enormous Bussard collector" look. If you mean the "length" though, remember that the Excelsior has alway had some of the longest nacelles of any Federation ship.
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They are just command cruisers, not "Battle" cruisers.
Command is the name of their type of function. Like this one is called Advanced Heavy Cruiser, Ambassador class is the Support Cruiser, etc. But they are Battle cruisers when it comes to set up on Cruiser Commands, seating, and weapon layout.
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So ... I have to buy the T6 to get the mastery Trait ... THEN buy the Fleet modules to get the Fleet version in order to use a Fleet T6 with the Mastery Trait.
So ... I have to buy the T6 to get the mastery Trait ... THEN buy the Fleet modules to get the Fleet version in order to use a Fleet T6 with the Mastery Trait.
Shrewd. Very shrewd.
Though if it is any consolation, you need just one Fleet Module if you got the C-Store version already.
I think one can probably safely skip the fleet ships. Okay, if it's really your only true love and you will fly nothing else anyway...
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So ... I have to buy the T6 to get the mastery Trait ... THEN buy the Fleet modules to get the Fleet version in order to use a Fleet T6 with the Mastery Trait.
Shrewd. Very shrewd.
Aren't all the fleet versions for T6 like that?
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Actually, if you look at any of the promotional material, the blogs, the wikis, etc... you would know quite well that they are battlecruisers. First, they can equip cannons, second they have the gimped cruiser communications array of a battlecruiser, third they have the battlecruiser mastery package and fourth "Battlecruiser" is literally in their name.
They dont mount 5/3 like all battlecruisers so far. And the way weapons was implemented was one of the main factors to clasify a ship, since ever. Cruisers always had 4/4. Escorts always had 4/3 5/2. Science ships always had 3/3. Battle carriers always had 4/3. And so on. So, suddenly things changed about this?
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The design of the Command Cruisers are more-or-less inspired by the Excelsior-class if you take a closer look at them and the nacelles look like they came from the Constitution refit in terms of design too. I believe that th saucer section should be rounded off, the nacelles from the Odyssey or Sovereign would look better and maybe sweep the pylons backwards
boo I was looking forward to getting it too but the stats just not worth my time. . .
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Oh please. This game was calls "Escorts Online" last year. A T6 Escort was just released. Seriously?
But the chevron saucer and over-sized nacelles are killing it for me. The Excelsior was known for its edgy lines and 100% round saucer (barring impulse engines). None of this is here. Another problem is that you guys don't offer customization on new models, its got 1 new variant and you better like it, or its back to the original one. Why not do what you did for the Guardian and offer an alternate version with slimmer nacelles and round saucer?
And yes, I could just use the old model, obviously. However, for once I was seriously wishing the 2410 model was good, because I CANNOT JUSTIFY THIS ANCIENT TUG AT T6!
Flying an Excelsior at Fleet T5U already felt weird, this thing is too good for an Excelsior, since its stats can only be better than the aforementioned variant. Why do we get to fly this as the only TOS fed ship at this level? If we can have a state-of-the-art Excelsior that competes with brand-spanking new command cruisers, surely the other TOS ships are just easily justifiable? You know, like the Centaur and Miranda we saw right beside these things all the time in TNG/DS9? Might as well go all the way.
But hey, we can't even get those at T5, because C(BS).
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This new layout looks like a nice cross between the old-style Starfleet ships and the stuff that had been released in the later series / movies.
Only problem I have with this, is it's another +1 for the Feddies over the KDF and Romulans. Not really pleased with that, but I'll admit that it's been a good run of ships for all factions for the last while. Here's hoping that comes again soon.
Lol. Next they'll get around to releasing a batch of science ships, and players will be crying "Flying Tricorders Online."
Dude, you still dont get it, right? its not about the line of design the starfleet is following. Its about flying OLD ships with new stats. A classic old ship like the excelsior should never ever get a "NEW" modern saucer, because it will be no more the excelsior.
I mean, is this so hard to understand for some players? lol..
And i normally would tell you that please write any assurance that the tvaro and the garumba are happening, because we hear this song since years ago.
Yikes! If that really is the boff layout, then I've just got to pass on this. That much of an eng bias simply doesn't work, something which has been known since...ohh, 2011? There are far too many useful eng powers that overlap to cause global CDs and the rest of the eng powers are simply flat out useless.
If that lt cmdr were a uni, now THAT would be pretty damned powerful. That iffy layout on top of a not so pretty boat makes it a "no" for me.
That said, there doesn't seem to be any mention of specialisations in the boff seating which makes me wonder if those stats are legit.
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I rather like those nacelles though, despite the glowy bit wrapping around the backs of them (Something I dislike as intensely as the white glowy thing under most saucers nowadays).
Btw, is there any chance we could shrink those beams a wee bit?
Also, I think the Command Battlecruisers are being the trend-setters. With the outpouring of "Everything is awesome" from them, Cryptic is simply riding that tide. Maybe that tide has washed away? Having said that, there is clearly a link from them to the Resolute. Lazy or not, it actually does make some sense from a design perspective. If the Resolute has a hangar, then I'd call Cryptic truly lazy with this design.
Maybe Roms and KDF are coming soon, I don't know. If there is a design style that is ****ing worn out, it's the bird wings for Romulans and the Q-Tip fronts for Klingons. C'mon.
That's why you can use all the original pieces. If you want to say your Excelsior has been refit on the inside, go for it. But if you want to use the 2410 ship that Starfleet built with a nod to the original class, that's an option too.
If they said 'here's the new ship, but bugger to you if you want to use the old pieces,' yeah then I'd be kinda annoyed. But the way they've been offering the T6 variants (and the T5 and T4 mods before that) should be able to please everyone.
The bird wings are kinda what we do. There'd be an outcry from most of the Romulan playerbase if they did something that wasn't bird-like in some way.
They are just command cruisers, not "Battle" cruisers.
Of course, everybody knows that, but you still missed the point, which is, the actual design is too "modern". For start that saucer is horrible and it has nothing to do with an excelsior class. You can make modern parts keeping the classic look, but i guess cryptic designers are too lacking on skills to do that since ages ago.
This looks very nice. I like how it look like a more "modern" version. They got the look and looks better than the garbage Fed ships they threw at us these last few months. With only a few exceptions.
Saucer: I rather went with round ones from the Concorde/Geneva Command Cruisers. To me that would look better on this ship. And not the chevron type.
Neck: Excelsior all the way. Glad they kept that.
Star drive: Excelsior all the way. They made it slightly thicker too. To handle more crew and equipment. To show this new ship can handle more tasks.
Pylons: Fits well with the ship.
Nacelles: I like them. They show they got upgraded and more power. I don't mind those as much.
Good news is you can make the older Excelsior or add parts to make a fully customized one from these offerings.
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Somehow, I doubt that your personal dislike of the design equates with the desigers' ability to design. They chose an aesthetic (which in fact, seems to have sold farily well for the other ships), and are running with it for a while.
Don't like it? Don't buy it, and cool your engines for a bit.
Actually, if you look at any of the promotional material, the blogs, the wikis, etc... you would know quite well that they are battlecruisers. First, they can equip cannons, second they have the gimped cruiser communications array of a battlecruiser, third they have the battlecruiser mastery package and fourth "Battlecruiser" is literally in their name.
As to the "rumor ships," I'd put more stock in them if I were you. The now locked away "source" has always been right before, including predicting the release of the T6 Excelsior. Still, it's ok if you don't want to believe for now, as time will show the truth soon enough. I myself eagerly await a fleet Andromeda-X (Assuming they would be kind enough to include that skin in the predicted T6 Dreadnaught *cough* hint hint *cough*
Still, and back on topic, I do agree with you on the look of the new Excelsior. When I heard about the "rumors" from "the source" a few weeks back, I foolishly was hoping that we would finally get a classic-ish design with just some modern aesthetics. Instead the resolute looks like a mini Presidio (I should know, I fly a presidio on one of my alts). There is nothing inherently wrong with that except that its not really an excelsior. And while yes, we can use the old skins, for some reason I have a hard time convincingly imagining even a Lakota type excelsior surviving an encounter with Heralds. Even so, one can't help having nostalgia for the beautiful old girl, so perhaps I'll buy it eventually and use the old skin anyway.
Finally, kittyflofy, is there any chance you could tone it down with the lols. Not judging or trying to start something, but your constant and sometimes inexplicable use of the phrase is beggining to feel like nails on a chalkboard. (Cue snarky remark or a wall o' lols
Hmm, I stand (slightly) corrected. From different angles it does share some similarities with the classic Excelsior.
And I will admit, even without the similar themes from the classic ship, the Resolute class is one hot looking ship.
I might consider upgrading from my T5-U Excelsior at some point, if for nothing else than the Command abilities and the Resolute 'costume' options.
If you mean they are too "tall" then I can agree a bit. Still, in the interest of transperancy, I should admit I've never been a fan of the recent "enormous Bussard collector" look. If you mean the "length" though, remember that the Excelsior has alway had some of the longest nacelles of any Federation ship.
Command is the name of their type of function. Like this one is called Advanced Heavy Cruiser, Ambassador class is the Support Cruiser, etc. But they are Battle cruisers when it comes to set up on Cruiser Commands, seating, and weapon layout.
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Shrewd. Very shrewd.
I think one can probably safely skip the fleet ships. Okay, if it's really your only true love and you will fly nothing else anyway...
Aren't all the fleet versions for T6 like that?
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They dont mount 5/3 like all battlecruisers so far. And the way weapons was implemented was one of the main factors to clasify a ship, since ever. Cruisers always had 4/4. Escorts always had 4/3 5/2. Science ships always had 3/3. Battle carriers always had 4/3. And so on. So, suddenly things changed about this?
Nop. Command cruisers are 4/4, not 5/3.