I like this. Many times, the bigger fleet Im in, its ironically hard to unload marks or whatever else you can afford, because the fleet power players have already beaten you to contributions. This way I can click around and see if some of the smaller fleets have use for my goods so I can get my fleet credits with less wait time for a new project to open up.
This is one reason why I love this. To give me a chance to help, but won't break the bank.
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i hope they dont really look like that inside, it doesnt feel romulan, klingon or starfleet at all,
I think on the screenshots we can see a new "Krenim RnD Lab" fleet holding that is coming in next update alongside this Armada system. So it is SUPPOSED to look alien.
We all know cryptic doesn't do anything unless there is a way to make money from it. I'm almost afraid to find out what it is with the armada system. I feel its something big. Open your wallet boys !!! Theres something new in Town !!!!!!!
Fleets will be able to control which projects other Fleets are allowed to donate to, and will be able to control both what resources their Fleet members can donate to other Fleets and what resources other Fleets can donate to them.
This system sounds amazing. Im currently a member of a super large fleet on my main, but I was formerly a member of a small fleet so I know both sides of the problem.
Finally us large fleet members will have a way of earning fleet credits, and small fleets will have an influx of new resources. If they pull it off right this should be amazing.
Its nice to see that individual fleets will still retain control and autonomy.
I doubt we'll see a conglomeration of huge fleets in armada, at least not all the way down to gamma level. I reckon big fleets will want to be Alphas, or at least betas - what big fleet would willingly be an omega, when the skill point bonus is the big draw.
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Oi read stuff dude, fleets will be able to decide what projects are open to the armada and which arnt.
I see where it states this in the original post, BUT is this going to actually become a point of contention? Is there going to be a simple "on/off" switch controlling donations, or is there going to be some kind of "donation limit"?
This is why I really wish that the devs would not try to "build suspense" about things like this. Another reason I get slightly pessimistic about updates on STO. Almost none of them have lived up to the promises that can be construed from their announcements.
From the article: Fleets will be able to control which projects other Fleets are allowed to donate to, and will be able to control both what resources their Fleet members can donate to other Fleets and what resources other Fleets can donate to them.
^ My initial impression is that this really sucks. Need more details on which fleet controls donations to which projects.
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Need more details on which fleet controls donations to which projects.
Your fleet has complete control over the following:
1. Which of your projects other fleets can donate to at all
2. Which resources your fleet members can donate to other fleets in the Armada
3. Which resources other fleets in the Armada can donate to you
So as a Fleet leader, you can set up a project just for the members of your Fleet only. Or, if you have fleet marks covered and just need help with dilithium and duty officers, you can restrict other fleets from donating Fleet Marks to your projects, leaving those available for the members of your fleet only. Or, if you want to make sure that all dilithium is spent on your Fleet projects and not the Fleet projects of other Fleets in the Armada, you can restrict that as well.
Each Fleet has almost complete control over how resources are spent on Armada Fleet Holdings for their members. The only thing we don't allow is we don't allow Fleet A to say that it's members can't donate to a specific task of Fleet B's.
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From the article: Fleets will be able to control which projects other Fleets are allowed to donate to, and will be able to control both what resources their Fleet members can donate to other Fleets and what resources other Fleets can donate to them.
^ My initial impression is that this really sucks. Need more details on which fleet controls donations to which projects.
Yeah, had to edit my post above, due to the fact that I read and re-read that differently.
From the way that it is written here, it would seem that each fleet controls which projects are available for "outside donation". The big question is this: Are the resources handled the same way (project by project) or is it a simple "We accept all dilithium" or "Take your dilithium elsewhere".
Just having each fleet have control of its own projects is a positive sign. However, I can see this being a real sticking point. Especially for fleet-specific upgrade projects and cosmetic upgrade projects.
Need more details on which fleet controls donations to which projects.
Your fleet has complete control over the following:
1. Which of your projects other fleets can donate to at all
2. Which resources your fleet members can donate to other fleets in the Armada
3. Which resources other fleets in the Armada can donate to you
So as a Fleet leader, you can set up a project just for the members of your Fleet only. Or, if you have fleet marks covered and just need help with dilithium and duty officers, you can restrict other fleets from donating Fleet Marks to your projects, leaving those available for the members of your fleet only. Or, if you want to make sure that all dilithium is spent on your Fleet projects and not the Fleet projects of other Fleets in the Armada, you can restrict that as well.
Each Fleet has almost complete control over how resources are spent on Armada Fleet Holdings for their members. The only thing we don't allow is we don't allow Fleet A to say that it's members can't donate to a specific task of Fleet B's.
So each fleet controls the flow of resources in and out, as well as which projects other member fleets have access to for donations.
Now, can these settings be changed once a project is underway? Can a fleet put a temporary "ban" on certain donations and then lift that restriction once all members have had a chance to "empty their pockets", even if such changes occur while a project is needing donations?
By the way, thanks for the update on exactly what kind of controls ya'll are looking to institute in this content. It means a lot, flyingtarg, to see someone in here responding to the posts.
Oi read stuff dude, fleets will be able to decide what projects are open to the armada and which arnt.
I see where it states this in the original post, BUT is this going to actually become a point of contention? Is there going to be a simple "on/off" switch controlling donations, or is there going to be some kind of "donation limit"?
This is why I really wish that the devs would not try to "build suspense" about things like this. Another reason I get slightly pessimistic about updates on STO. Almost none of them have lived up to the promises that can be construed from their announcements.
They were pretty active on reddit yesterday. said a lot. I am at work and don't have link at hand but it was very informative.
Need more details on which fleet controls donations to which projects.
Your fleet has complete control over the following:
1. Which of your projects other fleets can donate to at all
2. Which resources your fleet members can donate to other fleets in the Armada
3. Which resources other fleets in the Armada can donate to you
So as a Fleet leader, you can set up a project just for the members of your Fleet only. Or, if you have fleet marks covered and just need help with dilithium and duty officers, you can restrict other fleets from donating Fleet Marks to your projects, leaving those available for the members of your fleet only. Or, if you want to make sure that all dilithium is spent on your Fleet projects and not the Fleet projects of other Fleets in the Armada, you can restrict that as well.
Each Fleet has almost complete control over how resources are spent on Armada Fleet Holdings for their members. The only thing we don't allow is we don't allow Fleet A to say that it's members can't donate to a specific task of Fleet B's.
So each fleet controls the flow of resources in and out, as well as which projects other member fleets have access to for donations.
Now, can these settings be changed once a project is underway? Can a fleet put a temporary "ban" on certain donations and then lift that restriction once all members have had a chance to "empty their pockets", even if such changes occur while a project is needing donations?
By the way, thanks for the update on exactly what kind of controls ya'll are looking to institute in this content. It means a lot, flyingtarg, to see someone in here responding to the posts.
Oi read stuff dude, fleets will be able to decide what projects are open to the armada and which arnt.
I see where it states this in the original post, BUT is this going to actually become a point of contention? Is there going to be a simple "on/off" switch controlling donations, or is there going to be some kind of "donation limit"?
This is why I really wish that the devs would not try to "build suspense" about things like this. Another reason I get slightly pessimistic about updates on STO. Almost none of them have lived up to the promises that can be construed from their announcements.
They were pretty active on reddit yesterday. said a lot. I am at work and don't have link at hand but it was very informative.
Need more details on which fleet controls donations to which projects.
Your fleet has complete control over the following:
1. Which of your projects other fleets can donate to at all
2. Which resources your fleet members can donate to other fleets in the Armada
3. Which resources other fleets in the Armada can donate to you
So as a Fleet leader, you can set up a project just for the members of your Fleet only. Or, if you have fleet marks covered and just need help with dilithium and duty officers, you can restrict other fleets from donating Fleet Marks to your projects, leaving those available for the members of your fleet only. Or, if you want to make sure that all dilithium is spent on your Fleet projects and not the Fleet projects of other Fleets in the Armada, you can restrict that as well.
Each Fleet has almost complete control over how resources are spent on Armada Fleet Holdings for their members. The only thing we don't allow is we don't allow Fleet A to say that it's members can't donate to a specific task of Fleet B's.
Thanks for the clarification on that. From the dev blog and things I'd glimpsed on Reddit, I figured that's how it worked but it's always good to get plain details.
I think this is a good system to put in place. So for instance if we know we have a c**p load of fleet marks we may restrict other fleets in the armada from dumping fleet marks into projects for a short while. Or if we end up short on FM but have a load of Dil then we may allow FM but disallow other fleets in the armada from donating Dil. That will reassure many of the people I've seen, in the few discussion threads relating to this topic, who have been worried about larger fleets coming in and dominating the smaller fleets contribution possibilities.
Personally, I'll take any donations I can get. It'll be nice not being a sole contributor for a change haha.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
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Happens when an Alpha fleet that has some Gamma fleets attached to it gets an invitation to be a Beta fleet for another Alpha fleet... what happens to the Gamma Fleets?
While any Fleet can leave an Armada at any time, joining an Armada is a big commitment. Any Fleet that joins an Armada will not be able to participate in any of the bonuses or Armada contributions until a probationary period has passed. During this probationary period, any leader of the Fleet above it can kick them out of the Armada with no waiting period necessary. Or, if during the probationary period any one of your Fleet leaders decides the Armada is not the right environment for your Fleet, they can leave the Armada, once again with no waiting period.
The waiting period for leaving/kicking only applies for Fleets with multiple Fleet leaders. During this waiting period, the Fleet cannot participate in any of the bonuses or Armada contributions. The waiting period can be bypassed if all Fleet leaders agree to the leave or kick action. Alternatively, if any of the Fleet leaders disagrees with the kick or leave vote, they can undo the kick or leave any time before the waiting period is up. Hopefully this will help reduce instances of abuse in case a Fleet leader decides to take action without the consent of the other Fleet leaders.
If I'm understanding this correctly, the probationary period and the waiting period are different. The probationary period begins when a fleet first joins the armada, and the waiting period begins if, at any time after the probationary period, a leader in the parent fleet decides to kick the child fleet or a leader in the child fleet decides to leave the armada.
My thoughts on this is that it will most likely be like the Fleet Leadership system in which a new Leader is provisionary for 14 days until he has full power over the fleet...
and the waiting period is when the fleet is being removed "leave"
How is fleet size determined? Do they go by the amount of characters in a fleet? I hope not. I have all my fed toons in 1 fleet and all my KDF toons in 1 fleet. The best way to determine it would be to go by each unique @handle to determine how many players are in a fleet. Although some players have multiple accounts it's still a better measurement. So basically 1 character does not equal 1 player. If you went by character names you could have a fleet with 60 characters that belong to 11 or 12 actual players, thus making it in reality a small fleet.
Nice to see we'll finally have join dates added so we can see how long we've actually been in a fleet. But, does this go by our original join date or current join date? Some players may leave a fleet for whatever reason, such as getting access to a higher fleet to buy a fleet ship, then come back. But to my understanding your lifetime fleet credits you earned stay counted with the fleet you earned them in, so if you do come back it won't reset how many credits you earned with that fleet before you left.
edit: re-read the dev blog and realized my idea had already been dealt with.
As a fleet leader involved with a cross-factional alliance, I dearly hope that cross-factional Armadas are possible soon...
That's actually a good idea, at the current state it'll take some time if the Armada decides to rearrange themselves as per the probation and waiting periods...
My fleet would be interested in joining any armada as a gamma fleet (preferably a bigger one like UFP). I'm Mike@CptMike86 in game, look forward to this update and joining forces with other fleets
My friends and I started our own fleet because we didn't want to deal with a massive group of strangers. So the new system addresses that by....asking us to deal with a massive group of strangers.
I'll have to wait to see it in action, but what's been said does seem reasonable. Though I greatly am concerned for "Alpha Abuse". And also wonder about a system for fleet-less players who just don't feel like joining a fleet.
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This is one reason why I love this. To give me a chance to help, but won't break the bank.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
I think on the screenshots we can see a new "Krenim RnD Lab" fleet holding that is coming in next update alongside this Armada system. So it is SUPPOSED to look alien.
Kindly post a link to the appropriate content.
Source: third paragraph of the announcement: arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9436793
Finally us large fleet members will have a way of earning fleet credits, and small fleets will have an influx of new resources. If they pull it off right this should be amazing.
Its nice to see that individual fleets will still retain control and autonomy.
I doubt we'll see a conglomeration of huge fleets in armada, at least not all the way down to gamma level. I reckon big fleets will want to be Alphas, or at least betas - what big fleet would willingly be an omega, when the skill point bonus is the big draw.
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I see where it states this in the original post, BUT is this going to actually become a point of contention? Is there going to be a simple "on/off" switch controlling donations, or is there going to be some kind of "donation limit"?
This is why I really wish that the devs would not try to "build suspense" about things like this. Another reason I get slightly pessimistic about updates on STO. Almost none of them have lived up to the promises that can be construed from their announcements.
^ My initial impression is that this really sucks. Need more details on which fleet controls donations to which projects.
Tactical Team sucked, once upon a time. I got it buffed. Don't think for a minute that Cryptic ignores forum feedback.
Your fleet has complete control over the following:
1. Which of your projects other fleets can donate to at all
2. Which resources your fleet members can donate to other fleets in the Armada
3. Which resources other fleets in the Armada can donate to you
So as a Fleet leader, you can set up a project just for the members of your Fleet only. Or, if you have fleet marks covered and just need help with dilithium and duty officers, you can restrict other fleets from donating Fleet Marks to your projects, leaving those available for the members of your fleet only. Or, if you want to make sure that all dilithium is spent on your Fleet projects and not the Fleet projects of other Fleets in the Armada, you can restrict that as well.
Each Fleet has almost complete control over how resources are spent on Armada Fleet Holdings for their members. The only thing we don't allow is we don't allow Fleet A to say that it's members can't donate to a specific task of Fleet B's.
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Yeah, had to edit my post above, due to the fact that I read and re-read that differently.
From the way that it is written here, it would seem that each fleet controls which projects are available for "outside donation". The big question is this: Are the resources handled the same way (project by project) or is it a simple "We accept all dilithium" or "Take your dilithium elsewhere".
Just having each fleet have control of its own projects is a positive sign. However, I can see this being a real sticking point. Especially for fleet-specific upgrade projects and cosmetic upgrade projects.
So each fleet controls the flow of resources in and out, as well as which projects other member fleets have access to for donations.
Now, can these settings be changed once a project is underway? Can a fleet put a temporary "ban" on certain donations and then lift that restriction once all members have had a chance to "empty their pockets", even if such changes occur while a project is needing donations?
By the way, thanks for the update on exactly what kind of controls ya'll are looking to institute in this content. It means a lot, flyingtarg, to see someone in here responding to the posts.
Not at launch as stated by others
It's funny how "Armada" is the Mexican Navy/Fleet so hence you're becoming part of a larger Fleet. :
They were pretty active on reddit yesterday. said a lot. I am at work and don't have link at hand but it was very informative.
I got you both covered here: perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1193272/fleet-armada-system-quick-notes-feedback
Thanks for the clarification on that. From the dev blog and things I'd glimpsed on Reddit, I figured that's how it worked but it's always good to get plain details.
I think this is a good system to put in place. So for instance if we know we have a c**p load of fleet marks we may restrict other fleets in the armada from dumping fleet marks into projects for a short while. Or if we end up short on FM but have a load of Dil then we may allow FM but disallow other fleets in the armada from donating Dil. That will reassure many of the people I've seen, in the few discussion threads relating to this topic, who have been worried about larger fleets coming in and dominating the smaller fleets contribution possibilities.
Personally, I'll take any donations I can get. It'll be nice not being a sole contributor for a change haha.
Happens when an Alpha fleet that has some Gamma fleets attached to it gets an invitation to be a Beta fleet for another Alpha fleet... what happens to the Gamma Fleets?
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Careful with that joke, it's an antique.
I also hope this will be multi-factional. My fleet has a KDF fleet, too and they could use the extra help.
Nice to see we'll finally have join dates added so we can see how long we've actually been in a fleet. But, does this go by our original join date or current join date? Some players may leave a fleet for whatever reason, such as getting access to a higher fleet to buy a fleet ship, then come back. But to my understanding your lifetime fleet credits you earned stay counted with the fleet you earned them in, so if you do come back it won't reset how many credits you earned with that fleet before you left.
That's actually a good idea, at the current state it'll take some time if the Armada decides to rearrange themselves as per the probation and waiting periods...
+1 to this.
Glad to hear it, since the concept pieces are from none of those factions.
The Armada system will work with all of the current and future fleet holdings. The concept art in the blog are of the Krenim Research Lab.