Preferably in the form of Exeter. There's your T6 lineage ship. They don't want a T5/6 Connie but they should be amiable to Exeter and her stablemates (Excalibur CLass and Vesper Class)
I thought it was made evident that there will be no endgame Constitution class in the form of the Exeter, Vesper or anything.
I would LOVE to see a T6 Blockade Runner Escort, one of my most enjoyable ships. Also, the command battle cruisers look nothing like the Excelsior. The science version looks like an up leveled Rhode Island, the tactical looks like they took a Multi Vector Advanced Escort saucer section and put it on a reworked reconnaissance science vessel , and the Operations does not look like any other ship that has come before it except perhaps the Avenger. Looking at the descriptions of each ship none of them are an out growth of a previous ship, unlike the cross faction fan service cruisers.
Romulan are present in TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, they have 2 dedicated movies (ST: Nemesis and reseted Star Trek from J.J. Abrams).
Cardassian are not present in TOS, they appear in later seasons in TNG (and have less episodes then Romulans), are present in DS9 and VOY. No Cardassian-related movie. No appearance in ENT.
As I said, even Borg is better developed. Cardassian developmnet is at Ferengi level.
2 episode of TOS focused on them (another episode included them briefly). 2 episodes of Voyager. I never saw the last season of ENT, but only 1 episode mentioned them in the first 3 seasons and they didn't appear in it (they couldn't - first visual contact with a Romulan was made by Kirk 100 years later). DS9 had, what, 3 or 4 episodes about the Romulans (the Bashir/Section 31 one, the Kira/standoff one, the Vreenak/it's a faaaake one... even the "Tal Shiar destroys the founder homeworld" episode took place on a Cardassian ship)?
Which leaves TNG, which had maybe a dozen episodes focused on Roms. Plus the films.
Vs. the Cardassians, who had several dozen DS9 episodes about them, plus half a dozen from TNG and all the episodes with Seska in Voyager (and that one about the Cardassian war criminal doctor in Voyager), with lots of mentions of fights between the Maquis and the Cardassians.
Even glancing at the Memory Alpha pages for each race and the counts of episodes with appearances of that race shows the Cardassians are mentioned much more often in canon.
And Ferengi level? Oh, you mean that species that appeared in ENT, VOY, a dozen episodes of TNG, and in almost every episode of DS9, the species that had a religion, a government, a culture, several ships, and a massive social movement during the run of the series? Yep, they're sooooo underdeveloped!
And the Borg? That species that got a film, several episodes of TNG, and pretty much took over Voyager (the series, not the ship)? Again, pretty well developed compared to the Romulans. Heck, we know more about Borg spirituality (omega molecules, perfection) than Romulan (rejected Surak, and then...?).
What Roms really got was the books, because Romulans are simply awesome. And the episodes with them are more memorable. But their culture and their planet remained woefully underdeveloped in canon and the writers got away with it by saying they're "secretive."
A T6 Son'a ship pack [Battleship, Command ship, shuttle, the collector ship re-purposed as deep space explorer possibly]
A T6 Ferasan/Caitian warship
A T6 Dacoit flight deck
A T6 Nebula if I could get an updated Miranda skin option on it [not likely] :P
Touching up some of the NPC unplayable faction ships and releasing them for play would also make me happy there are a lot of potentially exciting designs including the Typhoon, Tarantuala, Warbarge, Zilant, Balaur Dreadnought, Tuatara, Ravager Dreadnought, Slavemaster Battleship, K'Norr Escort to name a few variants that I might like to play as a T6, maybe offer small faction bundles like the Romulan starter pack with 2 - ships + boff/doffs as a purchase option.
Fed: Akira, Prometheus, Gal-X, Sovereign, Nebula (really like that kitbash for some reason lol)
KDF: Vor'cha, B'rel, Vo'Quv, K'tinga ('cuz it's so hot!:P)
Rom: ... already got my D'deridex, don't care for the Scimitar much, and love the Intel Warbird. I'm set, thanks.
Not really happy about having to re-purchase the ships I already have just to have top-of-the-line goodies... But, it's the same with gaming rigs, cars, and cell phones. Why would it be different here?
Usually I'd blame people like this for living in their own little fantasy world, "there will never be a Tier 6 Constitution" and whatnot.
But then I remember I also reject reality when it doesn't suit me.
So carry on.
We actually fly many T5U/T6 ships based on designs OLDER then Connie... (Xindi Aquatic ship, Andorian vessels...), there is nothing wrong with bringing connie "sucessor" to top tier. Lore and logic are screwed anyway...
How about an Upgrade Project, (GUARANTEED TO WORK) that you could put the ship of your choice, from your first Miranda to your Temporal Science Vessel, for an upgrade to T6?
You collect Dilithium, Energy Credits, use any and all Marks and throw whatever is required into the project, but at the end, get your favourite ship or ships out of spacedock.
Personally I don't think separate Cardassian faction is ever going to happen... There is simply not enough cardassian content in TV shows / movies to make separate story arc.
Yeah, DS9 was Cardassians (the Dominion backed them up) and the whole idea for the Borg in Voyager was to be like the Cardassians were in DS9, the Romulans in TNG and the Klingons in TOS.
We actually fly many T5U/T6 ships based on designs OLDER then Connie... (Xindi Aquatic ship, Andorian vessels...), there is nothing wrong with bringing connie "sucessor" to top tier. Lore and logic are screwed anyway...
Maybe so but, and to quote the FCT.
"The answer to the T5 connie ship has been a no for 4 years and that answer comes from CBS. As such, there will not be a T5 constitution class ship in STO. This also means that any version of the ship will not be available as an End game ship."
So you see, the Constitution has been rejected by CBS and no version of the Constitution be it the Exeter or any variant will not have an end game version.
"The answer to the T5 connie ship has been a no for 4 years and that answer comes from CBS. As such, there will not be a T5 constitution class ship in STO. This also means that any version of the ship will not be available as an End game ship."
So you see, the Constitution has been rejected by CBS and no version of the Constitution be it the Exeter or any variant will not have an end game version.
Weren't they referring to the TOS and Movie variants of Constitution(both of which are in game)? I mean they didn't called Excalibur, Exeter, or Vesper a variant of Constitution, only that they're variants of Cruiser. Constitution (Refit) is referred to as a variant of Cruiser.
The statement you quoted said any variant of Constitution will not be available as an end game ship. Which I took to mean the TOS Constitution Tier 1 ship and the Constitution variant of Tier 2 Federation Cruiser.
Weren't they referring to the TOS and Movie variants of Constitution(both of which are in game)? I mean they didn't called Excalibur, Exeter, or Vesper a variant of Constitution, only that they're variants of Cruiser. Constitution (Refit) is referred to as a variant of Cruiser.
The statement you quoted said any variant of Constitution will not be available as an end game ship. Which I took to mean the TOS Constitution Tier 1 ship and the Constitution variant of Tier 2 Federation Cruiser.
The Exeter, Vesper ect... Are all variants of the Constitution, yes they are different versions of the light cruiser but "light cruiser" is the same as the term "Exploration cruiser" it's an umbrella term to refer to a ship and variants thereof just like the term "exploration cruiser" applies to all Galaxy class variants like the venture and whatnot, so all the light cruiser variants are included.
And for the distinction between the TOS constitution and the more modern constitution well..
They are both Constitution class starships and the light cruiser variants are all variants of that vessel and by creating an endgame version they would be violating their agreement with CBS, so you see a tier 6 Constitution is extremely unlikely unless CBS suddenly changes their minds.
Nebula this ship is still one of the best fed science ships in game despite having only 2 tact consoles compared to 3/4 on every other tier5/5-u/6 science ship. A very underrated ship.
Akira this ship is freaking gorgeous from every angle and one of my fav's
Vor'cha the back bone of the KDF
Tier 6 Dominion Dreadnought Carrier/Battleship. This ship is a behemoth and should stay that way. Should be made the Lock box/Promotional competitor to the Scimitar.
But i'd be happy with a Nebula they have most of the parts from the new Galaxy skin.
Constitution (Yeah I know CBS said no...but seriously, theyre stupid)
NX Class (I like my NX Enterprise)
Constellation (Just cause)
B'Rel (Make it Bigger and rename it K'Vort class battlecruiser from Yesterdays Enterprise)
K'Tinga (Gotta Love the Classics)
Vor'Cha (Might as well)
Rommie...I guess letting them have the D-7 would be cool
As for the person saying that Cardassians dont have enough backstory...Have you seriously ever watched DS9?
Not to mention Last Unicorn Games had a Cardassian Sourcebook for their TT RPG...it was never released, but you can get it for free on the web...and it has far more info on the Cardassians than all three of your Romulan novels...
the desire for more t6 ships is understandable, but the desire to have existing ships resold to you at a higher tier is not.
The whole thing is barely tolerable because of the exchange. If the purchase would require money I would not have purchased a single ship as the prices are indeed outrageous, especially considering they sell the same ship like three to five times without granting any form of discount.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
the desire for more t6 ships is understandable, but the desire to have existing ships resold to you at a higher tier is not.
But thankfully, that's not something Cryptic does.
Every Tier 6 ship based on a lower tier ship so far did also come with a new model.
You can argue a price point of 3,000 Zen for a new model is a bit high, compared to what it cost back in the old days when the game wasn't F2P... but do we really want that game back? All the old bugs, lots of content removed?
The only ones that might want that are PvPers, because a lot of the later power creep and extra consoles and what not caused big problems for PvP. But they should probably be careful what they wish for - the choice of endgame options was minimal back then...
Any way. You buy a new ship - that allows you to use parts from older ships.
You loved the old look? You can use it again.
You want to kitbash? Kitbash away!
Love the new model? Keep it!
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
You can argue a price point of 3,000 Zen for a new model is a bit high, compared to what it cost back in the old days when the game wasn't F2P... but do we really want that game back? All the old bugs, lots of content removed?
The only ones that might want that are PvPers, because a lot of the later power creep and extra consoles and what not caused big problems for PvP. But they should probably be careful what they wish for - the choice of endgame options was minimal back then...
I like to adress that, since ironically, F2P removed content, P2P didn't do that. We didn't get much content back in the day, though it would be shallow to blame it on the P2P model, we all know that Atari had massive troubles back then and Cryptic suffered as a consequence, that explains the content drought.
Reversing the system back to P2P would not by any stretch mean that there won't be new content, arguing this way is a fallacy. And in contrary, Exploration, Diplomacy, Terradrome, long STFs is what got removed in F2P times.
I'm not a PvPer, but I do wish we were back in P2P - so you could actually play the game and earn new ships and not "work" and buy what you want from stores. I'd rather play than go window shopping, but maybe that's just me...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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I thought it was made evident that there will be no endgame Constitution class in the form of the Exeter, Vesper or anything.
Some people really don't know how to move on...
ROFL absolutely not even close.
I would LOVE to see a T6 Blockade Runner Escort, one of my most enjoyable ships. Also, the command battle cruisers look nothing like the Excelsior. The science version looks like an up leveled Rhode Island, the tactical looks like they took a Multi Vector Advanced Escort saucer section and put it on a reworked reconnaissance science vessel , and the Operations does not look like any other ship that has come before it except perhaps the Avenger. Looking at the descriptions of each ship none of them are an out growth of a previous ship, unlike the cross faction fan service cruisers.
TL/DR Blockade Runner Escort and the Excelsior
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2 episode of TOS focused on them (another episode included them briefly). 2 episodes of Voyager. I never saw the last season of ENT, but only 1 episode mentioned them in the first 3 seasons and they didn't appear in it (they couldn't - first visual contact with a Romulan was made by Kirk 100 years later). DS9 had, what, 3 or 4 episodes about the Romulans (the Bashir/Section 31 one, the Kira/standoff one, the Vreenak/it's a faaaake one... even the "Tal Shiar destroys the founder homeworld" episode took place on a Cardassian ship)?
Which leaves TNG, which had maybe a dozen episodes focused on Roms. Plus the films.
Vs. the Cardassians, who had several dozen DS9 episodes about them, plus half a dozen from TNG and all the episodes with Seska in Voyager (and that one about the Cardassian war criminal doctor in Voyager), with lots of mentions of fights between the Maquis and the Cardassians.
Even glancing at the Memory Alpha pages for each race and the counts of episodes with appearances of that race shows the Cardassians are mentioned much more often in canon.
And Ferengi level? Oh, you mean that species that appeared in ENT, VOY, a dozen episodes of TNG, and in almost every episode of DS9, the species that had a religion, a government, a culture, several ships, and a massive social movement during the run of the series? Yep, they're sooooo underdeveloped!
And the Borg? That species that got a film, several episodes of TNG, and pretty much took over Voyager (the series, not the ship)? Again, pretty well developed compared to the Romulans. Heck, we know more about Borg spirituality (omega molecules, perfection) than Romulan (rejected Surak, and then...?).
What Roms really got was the books, because Romulans are simply awesome. And the episodes with them are more memorable. But their culture and their planet remained woefully underdeveloped in canon and the writers got away with it by saying they're "secretive."
Defiant, Scim, Tempest, and a BoP.
I would love to see another X-class dreadnought, but would think it cool to be based on the Sovereign class.
A T6 Son'a ship pack [Battleship, Command ship, shuttle, the collector ship re-purposed as deep space explorer possibly]
A T6 Ferasan/Caitian warship
A T6 Dacoit flight deck
A T6 Nebula if I could get an updated Miranda skin option on it [not likely] :P
Touching up some of the NPC unplayable faction ships and releasing them for play would also make me happy there are a lot of potentially exciting designs including the Typhoon, Tarantuala, Warbarge, Zilant, Balaur Dreadnought, Tuatara, Ravager Dreadnought, Slavemaster Battleship, K'Norr Escort to name a few variants that I might like to play as a T6, maybe offer small faction bundles like the Romulan starter pack with 2 - ships + boff/doffs as a purchase option.
not much else I can think of atm
But regarding the Cardassian Faction, if you were a fan of DS9 you probably would like them playable in game. I]I missed most of that entire series somehow, so kinda meh either way[/I
As a clarification was there any Cardassian ships seen onscreen other than the Galor, Keldon, transports/freighters and maybe a shuttle or two?
Connie
Romulan:
T'varo with fire bird paint job.
KDF:
D-7
BOP
Yeah I said Connie and I know the drill. Too bad, this is my list. Also no fancy shmancy seating. Standard tac/sci/engi/uni.
Fed: Akira, Prometheus, Gal-X, Sovereign, Nebula (really like that kitbash for some reason lol)
KDF: Vor'cha, B'rel, Vo'Quv, K'tinga ('cuz it's so hot!:P)
Rom: ... already got my D'deridex, don't care for the Scimitar much, and love the Intel Warbird. I'm set, thanks.
Not really happy about having to re-purchase the ships I already have just to have top-of-the-line goodies... But, it's the same with gaming rigs, cars, and cell phones. Why would it be different here?
Usually I'd blame people like this for living in their own little fantasy world, "there will never be a Tier 6 Constitution" and whatnot.
But then I remember I also reject reality when it doesn't suit me.
So carry on.
We actually fly many T5U/T6 ships based on designs OLDER then Connie... (Xindi Aquatic ship, Andorian vessels...), there is nothing wrong with bringing connie "sucessor" to top tier. Lore and logic are screwed anyway...
You collect Dilithium, Energy Credits, use any and all Marks and throw whatever is required into the project, but at the end, get your favourite ship or ships out of spacedock.
You watched DS9 right?
Maybe so but, and to quote the FCT.
"The answer to the T5 connie ship has been a no for 4 years and that answer comes from CBS. As such, there will not be a T5 constitution class ship in STO. This also means that any version of the ship will not be available as an End game ship."
So you see, the Constitution has been rejected by CBS and no version of the Constitution be it the Exeter or any variant will not have an end game version.
KDF: B'rel, Vor'cha
Rom: Valdore
FED: T6 oberth,miranda skin for the nebula, and yes yes, the f'ing NOVA/rhode island
KDF: D7, K't'inga and B'rel
ROM: D7 cruiser (with the bird paintjob) and TRIBBLE the t'varo , i want a T'LISS DAMNIT !!!!!!!!!
Box: Temporal Ships
The statement you quoted said any variant of Constitution will not be available as an end game ship. Which I took to mean the TOS Constitution Tier 1 ship and the Constitution variant of Tier 2 Federation Cruiser.
The Exeter, Vesper ect... Are all variants of the Constitution, yes they are different versions of the light cruiser but "light cruiser" is the same as the term "Exploration cruiser" it's an umbrella term to refer to a ship and variants thereof just like the term "exploration cruiser" applies to all Galaxy class variants like the venture and whatnot, so all the light cruiser variants are included.
And for the distinction between the TOS constitution and the more modern constitution well..
They are both Constitution class starships and the light cruiser variants are all variants of that vessel and by creating an endgame version they would be violating their agreement with CBS, so you see a tier 6 Constitution is extremely unlikely unless CBS suddenly changes their minds.
Nebula this ship is still one of the best fed science ships in game despite having only 2 tact consoles compared to 3/4 on every other tier5/5-u/6 science ship. A very underrated ship.
Akira this ship is freaking gorgeous from every angle and one of my fav's
Vor'cha the back bone of the KDF
Tier 6 Dominion Dreadnought Carrier/Battleship. This ship is a behemoth and should stay that way. Should be made the Lock box/Promotional competitor to the Scimitar.
But i'd be happy with a Nebula they have most of the parts from the new Galaxy skin.
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-Trident
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Constitution (Yeah I know CBS said no...but seriously, theyre stupid)
NX Class (I like my NX Enterprise)
Constellation (Just cause)
B'Rel (Make it Bigger and rename it K'Vort class battlecruiser from Yesterdays Enterprise)
K'Tinga (Gotta Love the Classics)
Vor'Cha (Might as well)
Rommie...I guess letting them have the D-7 would be cool
As for the person saying that Cardassians dont have enough backstory...Have you seriously ever watched DS9?
Not to mention Last Unicorn Games had a Cardassian Sourcebook for their TT RPG...it was never released, but you can get it for free on the web...and it has far more info on the Cardassians than all three of your Romulan novels...
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Well... it is exectly what we are doing in real life with computers, cell phones, cars...
We are just buying funcionally better versions of items we already have, with new look, better stats and some extra features.
I am personally waiting for t6 fleet Armitage and all extra stuff this ship is going to have.
The whole thing is barely tolerable because of the exchange. If the purchase would require money I would not have purchased a single ship as the prices are indeed outrageous, especially considering they sell the same ship like three to five times without granting any form of discount.
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But thankfully, that's not something Cryptic does.
Every Tier 6 ship based on a lower tier ship so far did also come with a new model.
You can argue a price point of 3,000 Zen for a new model is a bit high, compared to what it cost back in the old days when the game wasn't F2P... but do we really want that game back? All the old bugs, lots of content removed?
The only ones that might want that are PvPers, because a lot of the later power creep and extra consoles and what not caused big problems for PvP. But they should probably be careful what they wish for - the choice of endgame options was minimal back then...
Any way. You buy a new ship - that allows you to use parts from older ships.
You loved the old look? You can use it again.
You want to kitbash? Kitbash away!
Love the new model? Keep it!
I like to adress that, since ironically, F2P removed content, P2P didn't do that. We didn't get much content back in the day, though it would be shallow to blame it on the P2P model, we all know that Atari had massive troubles back then and Cryptic suffered as a consequence, that explains the content drought.
Reversing the system back to P2P would not by any stretch mean that there won't be new content, arguing this way is a fallacy. And in contrary, Exploration, Diplomacy, Terradrome, long STFs is what got removed in F2P times.
I'm not a PvPer, but I do wish we were back in P2P - so you could actually play the game and earn new ships and not "work" and buy what you want from stores. I'd rather play than go window shopping, but maybe that's just me...
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