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The most desired (fleet) T6 variants of older ships

deathray38deathray38 Member Posts: 210 Arc User
FED:
Armitage
Defiant
Sovereign
Odyssey
Prometheus

ROM:
Scimitar
Mogai
Ar'kif

KGN:
BoP
Bortas

Lockbox/other:
Jem'hadar escort carrier
Jem'hadar dreadnaught carrier
Cardassian Galor




What are Your types?
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  • jstewart55jstewart55 Member Posts: 412 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I assume the Galor will get an overhaul when the Cardassian faction comes to fruition, and the Keldon-class will become the T6 ship.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I think that the Defiant, Sovereign, Mogai and (a) Bird of Prey are a given at this point. Not too sure about a t6 Scimitar (though it would sell like wildfire) however a T6 Odyssey and Bortas should be on the table; the latter of which needs to be done right this time.

    I'd be amazed if any T5 lock box ship got the treatment though.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    FED: Nebula (!!!) and after quite a lengthy blank space finally Nova, Sovereign, Akira, Steamrunner, Olympic. Also Kumari and D'Kyr (and a Tellarite vessel to complete the "Founders" package :D)

    KDF: Vor'Cha, K'Tinga, B'Rel

    ROM: They got all canon ships at T6 :)
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • latiasracerlatiasracer Member Posts: 680 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jstewart55 wrote: »
    when the Cardassian faction comes to fruition

    Never happening. Geko himself stated that IF we see another faction it won't be the cardassians.


    If we see the Keldon, i'd imagine it will be a R&D Promotion, or a a whole new lockbox addition.


    Personally, I'm still holding out that the Typhoon and Jupiter will be re-done and make an apperence as a t6 dreadnaut and carrier respectively.


    Also probably not gonna happen, but it's not been explicitly stated so yet!
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  • deathray38deathray38 Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jstewart55 wrote: »
    I assume the Galor will get an overhaul when the Cardassian faction comes to fruition, and the Keldon-class will become the T6 ship.

    Personally I don't think separate Cardassian faction is ever going to happen... There is simply not enough cardassian content in TV shows / movies to make separate story arc. Even Borg is far more developed... and (I bet) is not going to be playable facton as well. I afraid all we may expect will be more cardassian ships in lockboxes/lobi store.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    deathray38 wrote: »
    Personally I don't think separate Cardassian faction is ever going to happen... There is simply not enough cardassian content in TV shows / movies to make separate story arc. Even Borg is far more developed... and (I bet) is not going to be playable facton as well. I afraid all we may expect will be more cardassian ships in lockboxes/lobi store.

    I think there is more Cardassian story than there was Romulan. Doesn't change the fact that there won't be a new faction, though. Half-arsed cross-faction character, maybe.
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I remember 2 years ago people considered LoR the start of a trend, a new faction being released with every new season, supposedly we'd get Cardassians with 8, Borg with 10 or so, etc.

    I think it's pretty clear by now that just isn't going to happen.

    On topic: Only one I want is T6 Prometheus.
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    I think there is more Cardassian story than there was Romulan. Doesn't change the fact that there won't be a new faction, though. Half-arsed cross-faction character, maybe.
    Yeah, DS9 had way more episodes focused on the cardassians than the rest of the franchise combined had on the romulans.
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I rather hope they don't, given the complaints about the RR being cross-faction.
    Also, this. No more subfactions or half factions or fractions, whatever the hell you want to call them. Legacy of Romulus was a good expansion but it was never capitalised and we got DR instead.

    EDIT To actually post on topic, I want to see a T6 Sovereign, Defiant, B'Rel, Luna and Vesta, and Hegh'ta or other Bird-of-Prey-that-isn't-the-B'rel.
  • deathray38deathray38 Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    I think there is more Cardassian story than there was Romulan. Doesn't change the fact that there won't be a new faction, though. Half-arsed cross-faction character, maybe.

    More story then Romulan?

    Romulan are present in TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, they have 2 dedicated movies (ST: Nemesis and reseted Star Trek from J.J. Abrams).

    Cardassian are not present in TOS, they appear in later seasons in TNG (and have less episodes then Romulans), are present in DS9 and VOY. No Cardassian-related movie. No appearance in ENT.

    As I said, even Borg is better developed. Cardassian developmnet is at Ferengi level.
  • ellyashtearellyashtear Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    i would like a proper T6 Intrepid with a Sci/Intel seat... seriously, who's bright idea was it to put an Eng/Intel seat on a Science ship (Pathfinder)?..
  • bobsisko47bobsisko47 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I really like to see T6 versions of the ships with little screen time, such as the Nova and especially the Saber. Norway too, but we don't have a proper T5 version of her either.
  • apsciliaraapsciliara Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Armitage. ARMITAGE. ARMITAGE!!!!!!!!!
    I love my Armitage. Please, Cryptic, give me an awesomer one.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    FED: Nebula (!!!)
    How'd I manage to forget this one. Yes, a T6 Nebula is indeed required, though I hope they do a better job with the Nebula for a T6 release; it needs to have a new skin, and be compatible with both the Monarch-style AND Venture-style skin (the latter of which is currently lacking).
    Never happening. Geko himself stated that IF we see another faction it won't be the cardassians.
    Whilst this pleases me (because I do not trust Cryptic in creating any new faction, let alone Cardassian), where is your source? Where, specifically, did Geko say this?

    If we see the Keldon, i'd imagine it will be a R&D Promotion, or a a whole new lockbox addition.
    I think part of the problem is that the Keldon is too similar to the Galor, at least it was. I suppose now they could release one with an Intel/Commander seat, though it needs to be released with a Cardassian story arc revamp (that'll also need Andrew Robinson for voicework, and will need playable Cardassians for the FED/KDF).
    deathray38 wrote: »
    Personally I don't think separate Cardassian faction is ever going to happen... There is simply not enough cardassian content in TV shows / movies to make separate story arc. Even Borg is far more developed... and (I bet) is not going to be playable facton as well. I afraid all we may expect will be more cardassian ships in lockboxes/lobi store.
    I would actually argue that we know more about Cardassian society than we do Romulan (and Reman) yet we have the Romulan (and Reman) in. If it's down to background, the Cardassians are ready.

    Edit: angrytarg beat me to the last point, but yeah, there's definitely more lore with the Cardassians than there is with the Romulans.
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  • apsciliaraapsciliara Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    iI would actually argue that we know more about Cardassian society than we do Romulan (and Reman) yet we have the Romulan (and Reman) in. If it's down to background, the Cardassians are ready.

    Actually, there's an entire trilogy of novels with huge amounts of info on Romulan/Reman culture that STO's adopted. The Rihannsu trilogy, if you're interested. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cardassians have nothing remotely similar.
    reyan01 wrote: »
    That one is actually in the pipeline, behind the T6 Defiant/Mogai/T'Varo.

    God dammit, Cryptic read my mind before I even wanted a thing! Sly.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    deathray38 wrote: »
    More story then Romulan?

    Romulan are present in TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, they have 2 dedicated movies (ST: Nemesis and reseted Star Trek from J.J. Abrams).

    Cardassian are not present in TOS, they appear in later seasons in TNG (and have less episodes then Romulans), are present in DS9 and VOY. No Cardassian-related movie. No appearance in ENT.

    As I said, even Borg is better developed. Cardassian developmnet is at Ferengi level.
    The Romulans appeared in every series, but to a minimal amount. The Cardassians appeared in two series, and had a huge part to play in one of them. Heck, we even had two supporting actors playing Cardassians - we've never had a supporting character that was a Romulan.

    Just because the Romulans have shown up all over the place, it doesn't mean they're more defined. They're not. The Cardassians are. We've seen (and spent) more time on their homeworld (in shows), we've met more of them, we've fought with, and against them, we know about their history, their art, the culture, their food, their justice system, there's a **** load more we know by comparison to the Romulans.
    apsciliara wrote: »
    Actually, there's an entire trilogy of novels with huge amounts of info on Romulan/Reman culture that STO's adopted. The Rihannsu trilogy, if you're interested. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cardassians have nothing remotely similar.
    Cryptic might have adopted from novels, but then novels aren't (or weren't) considered canon. I'm sure there are enough books out there that better cover more Cardassian culture if you want to go down that road, it's just that Cryptic haven't needed to do that yet.
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  • bobsisko47bobsisko47 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    As someone just mentioned, the Nebula! It seems to me, that nobody remembers, that she is in the game!^^ And on that note another "little" sci ship, the Oberth! How about her?:rolleyes:
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    bobsisko47 wrote: »
    As someone just mentioned, the Nebula! It seems to me, that nobody remembers, that she is in the game!^^ And on that note another "little" sci ship, the Oberth! How about her?:rolleyes:

    Another Nebula enthusiast :D The FT5U Nebula is still my hardest hitting ship in my fleet :)

    I mentioned all canon ships that are not T6 yet, except the Constitution, Constellation, Excelsior and Oberth. My personal opinion is that all ships prior to TNG shouldn't get a T6 variant just to get the T6 line-up less cluttered. I have no problem seeing the models, mind you, canon always beats Cryptic originals, but what position would a Oberth, Miranda or Excelsior fill at T6 that's not already taken? T5 is a huge mess with dozens of semi-obsolete classes already, T6 could be a possibility to calm the waves a bit.
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I would love to see a T6 ship that is of the Excelsior lineage.
  • latiasracerlatiasracer Member Posts: 680 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    flash525 wrote: »

    Whilst this pleases me (because I do not trust Cryptic in creating any new faction, let alone Cardassian), where is your source? Where, specifically, did Geko say this?

    It was in one of the Priority One Podcast's , i think it was the most recent interview he gave, (Here : http://priorityonepodcast.com/po219/)

    I don't have the time to listen to it all the way through right now, but i'm pretty sure it's in there somewhere.

    It may have been an older interview though, as he does come on quite frequently
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  • deathray38deathray38 Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    I think there is more Cardassian story than there was Romulan. Doesn't change the fact that there won't be a new faction, though. Half-arsed cross-faction character, maybe.
    apsciliara wrote: »
    Actually, there's an entire trilogy of novels with huge amounts of info on Romulan/Reman culture that STO's adopted. The Rihannsu trilogy, if you're interested. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cardassians have nothing remotely similar.


    Even if we exclude novels, there is a lot more Romulan content then Cardassian. Yes, there are a lot of "cardassian" episodes in DS9, but most of them are related to personal drama of Gul Dukat / Garak, where emotional aspects of characters are well developed, but knowledge we get about Cardassian history/society is minimal (on top of that many Gul Dukat episodes developed Bajorans far more then Cardassians...). On the other hand nearly all Romulan appearances are related to their society/history/technology/politics (character development is minimal).

    Finally, Romulan are present in entire Star Trek Franchise + have two dedicated movies. Cardiassians glow in DS9 (where Romulans are constantly present btw.), but have only minor appearances in TNG and VOY. No Cardassians in TOS, ENT, no movies...



    EDIT:

    "romulan" appearances in Star Trek:
    ENT: (5)
    TOS: (3)
    TAS: (3)
    TOS films: (3)
    TNG: (21)
    TNG films: (2)
    DS9: (16)
    VOY: (6)


    "cardassian" appearances in Star Trek:

    TNG: (9)
    Star Trek: First Contact (Cardassian-Borg)
    DS9: (71)
    VOY: (19)
    ENT: "Dead Stop" (Cardassian corpse)

    Corpses don't count ;)

    Of course "appearances" does not mean "development", a lot of Gul Dukat / Garak episodes were only developing their specific characters/story, as they were one of the main personas in DS9.
  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I don't know - the Command ships shout 'Excelsior 2410' to me, personally.

    I agree wholeheartedly. I have often though thought of creating my own version of the Command ships with the Excelsior parts. I would like the pylons be in the traditional place for the "T6 Excelsior."
  • alexvio1alexvio1 Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    The Cardassians appeared in two series, and had a huge part to play in one of them.

    They appeared in THREE series. Try to remember that number.
  • apsciliaraapsciliara Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    alexvio1 wrote: »
    They appeared in THREE series. Try to remember that number.

    A token appearance in Voyager doesn't really count, if you ask me.
  • deathray38deathray38 Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    apsciliara wrote: »
    Armitage. ARMITAGE. ARMITAGE!!!!!!!!!
    I love my Armitage. Please, Cryptic, give me an awesomer one.

    Yes, with LtCdr command seat :)
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    apsciliara wrote: »
    Actually, there's an entire trilogy of novels with huge amounts of info on Romulan/Reman culture that STO's adopted. The Rihannsu trilogy, if you're interested. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cardassians have nothing remotely similar.
    There are at least two Cardassian-focused books. One from the actor for Garak, Andrew Robinson, "A Stitch in Time", and the other based on a Cardassian war orphan that was forced back to Cardassia, the "Never-Ending Sacrifice".

    Both pretty good novels and that get into a lot of detail about the Cardassian culture. AFAIK, there is more than that, but I haven't read it.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    alexvio1 wrote: »
    They appeared in THREE series. Try to remember that number.
    Yeah, so I forgot about Seska, no need to be condescending about it.
    apsciliara wrote: »
    A token appearance in Voyager doesn't really count, if you ask me.
    Seska was a mad *****, but she was still a Cardassian in a series, so that shouldn't really be overlooked. There was also the Galor that featured in the pilot episode too.
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    deathray38 wrote: »
    Even if we exclude novels, there is a lot more Romulan content then Cardassian. Yes, there are a lot of "cardassian" episodes in DS9, but most of them are related to personal drama of Gul Dukat / Garak, where emotional aspects of characters are well developed, but knowledge we get about Cardassian history/society is minimal (on top of that many Gul Dukat episodes developed Bajorans far more then Cardassians...). On the other hand nearly all Romulan appearances are related to their society/history/technology/politics (character development is minimal).
    Just flat out wrong, and your criteria is bizarre as well. There are more recurring cardassian characters than there are romulan, even the minor villains get almost the same amount of screen time. The cardassians have had far more episodes that went into their society/history/technology/politics in DS9 alone than we had of the romulans in the entire franchise. We learn about the Tal'shiar in one TNG episode; we had multiple episodes of DS9 that dealt with the Obsidian Order. We learn about the romulan political system in one two-parter of TNG and one episode of DS9; the actions and politics of Central Command vs Obsidian Order vs Detapa Council heavily outweighs that. In terms of technology, way, way, WAY more episodes of DS9 dealt with cardassian technology because the station was cardassian and frequently didn't work well with starfleet technology, much to O'Brien's continual suffering. It was even the subject of an episode where they boarded an abandoned Nor-class space station. Garak would tell Bashir (and by extension, us) all about cardassian literature, art, culture and the like, the episode where Major Kira gets kidnapped and cosplays as some Legate's daughter again goes into the society. We learn more about how cardassians regard family in episodes like that and the ones with Dukat finding out about Ziyal and trying to reconnect with her, or the episode where Tom Riker stole the Defiant and Dukat points out to Sisko that because of this he missed an important event in his son's life. And how his son would grow up resenting humans because of it.

    The cardassians were introduced in TNG to set up DS9, and this lead to the Maquis were introduced to set up Voyager - a conflict that involved the cardassians. That's three shows where cardassians featured even on a minor level. I am willing to bet if we tally up the numbers the cardassians would have more appearances in the entire franchise.

    EDIT Yep, sure enough, if you count every 'appearance' the roms have 59 across the entire franchise, and cardassians have over 70 in DS9 alone.
  • nyxadrillnyxadrill Member Posts: 1,242 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Oberth seems extremely unlikely. She didn't receive any sort of T5 attention, so doesn't seem very likely that a T6 version would be produced.

    Come to think of it, I dont think I've seen ONE Oberth class in game in all the time I've played STO.
    reyan01 wrote:
    I don't know - the Command ships shout 'Excelsior 2410' to me, personally.

    That's exactly why I bought them. They looked to have so much Excelsior heritage in them.

    Personally I'd love to see T6 versions of:

    Nova class
    B'Rel class
    Nebula Class

    And I still have a soft spot for the Bortasqu - That's still a fine looking ship in my eyes. You can kitbash one of the KDF command cruisers into a squashed approximation of the old girl .... but it never will be :D
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  • apsciliaraapsciliara Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    deathray38 wrote: »
    Yes, with LtCdr command seat :)

    Well, the Armitage-class does function as a central command centre for fighter squadrons, it's almost mandatory. Although if I'm being honest, I'd put in a CMDR-level command seat, 'cause I don't wanna put my XO in anything less than that D:
  • ikonn#1068 ikonn Member Posts: 1,450 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Many previous posters have listed some of the ships I would like to see getting the T6 treatment. For me, the one I would like to see the most is the K't'inga. That design was solid from the beginning and was seen in several TNG, DS9, and even a Voy episode or 2. Also seen in TMP. The STO version of this classic did little justice to the ship. I think it could be made into a brilliant T6 design. The Empire didn't have the luxury of phasing out old ships as the UFP does. They fly the nacelles off their ships because they simply did not have the resources to throw away a design and replace it with something "new". They simply upgraded existing designs until they could be upgraded no more.
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