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staq16
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So, the data miners have been at it again....
Looks like the next releases will follow the previous cross-faction model with "attack cruisers" (Avenger / Mogh / Mogai) followed by "raiders" (Defiant / B'rel / T'varo). Then Escort carriers (Fed Armitage + new KDF/Rom classes).
So; interesting. It would be hard to imagine the T'varo and Defiant having fewer weapons than their T5 counterparts, which makes me wonder if this B'rel will have more guns but a fixed tactical focus.
Still... T6 BoP!
Looks like the next releases will follow the previous cross-faction model with "attack cruisers" (Avenger / Mogh / Mogai) followed by "raiders" (Defiant / B'rel / T'varo). Then Escort carriers (Fed Armitage + new KDF/Rom classes).
So; interesting. It would be hard to imagine the T'varo and Defiant having fewer weapons than their T5 counterparts, which makes me wonder if this B'rel will have more guns but a fixed tactical focus.
Still... T6 BoP!
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That T'varo, though, that I may buy.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
Then you can wave goodbye to your awesome stats.
(i suspect pay2win/cstore bops by then, outdoing the awesomely new t6 brel by a mile!)
Ive pretty much given up on my kdf anyway with the horeible grind for each toon.
Lt. Comm Uni would be interesting with giving the option of Sci with Gravity Well or a more offensive dual-Lt. Comm Tac. Also, Lt. Comm Uni would make the most sense for the Mogai T6, and would also let it take over it's Mirror's duties, though, the Iconic ship pack showed that the factions don't have to be the same.
The Mogh's Trait seems pretty nice, towards the OP end of the scale in utility for anyone running a Drake or Dragon build with EPtW, exact values for weapon energy cost resist and Haste added on will determine how far up that scale it is.
T6 B'Rel trait sounds like the JHSS's trait... They don't like Jem'Hadar mook ship turned OP player ship very much anymore, do they?
Flight Deck Raptor sounds like something I probably would've liked back in the day, but now I'd only get it for the trait to use on my Xindi-Aqautic Narcine. Hopefully it means more standard hangar pets are incoming, as the current lineup is a bit stale, and KDF could really use a heavy standard hangar pet (2 pets per wing with increased HP over 3 per wing hangars, no ship requirements).
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Planned obsolescence is a fact of life in this game. I think you've been in this game long enough to know better? Even before the advent of DR, before Lv60 cap, before T6 ships, this "dance" was the same with the T5 ships. It wasn't surprising for a subsequent ship to be better than the previous ones, even though they were all T5 ships!
And FYI, this issue isn't a KDF specific issue. It's a game-wide issue.
If you were that worried about purchasing a ship that will be obsolete, are you still flying your Lv40 freebie ship? If yes, congrats and backing up what you say. If no, and you indeed bought into something "because it was better," then congrats, on not truly believing in your convictions.
My guesses on what the upcoming ships' upgrades will be (all prior to the stuff discovered today).
On seeing the news of the recent "info," some of my quick thoughts:
The Mogh/Avenger/Mogai T6 trait is a mixed bag and for most players out there will not be that much of use. But for those that know how to do the DPS game that's a different matter altogether.
The B'Rel/Defiant/T'Varo T6 trait for CSV buff is a mixed bag also, IMO. When I fly the B'Rel, T'Varo, and the old school T5 Defiant with its very limited ENG seats, I fly for single target spikes. CSV just isn't useful in that. Single target stuff like CRF, BO, HYT on those ships carries more weight. But in other applications, on other ships, this trait can be good to use.
The Flight Deck Escort pack with the Trait? I do see that being pretty useful, esp for some Torp Boat applications to get more damage past shields. Would seem to work in conjunction with the old EWO DOFF that grants a chance for a % of torpedo damage bleeding through shields upon hitting with a Beam Overload. That trait also can help a lot with Carriers in general. Of all the trait info leaked so far, I think this has the widest usefulness. But that is if you like Carrier play to begin with.
On the flipside to all these traits is that it's balanced out. Players have a limited number of possible traits in each pool to slot. Some cool ones, especially for the Feds, but you only got 4 Starship Trait Slots
Imagine if Cryptic never revamped the traits to limit their numbers that you can have active at 1 time?
Once they release another Fleet Holding, it'd be a good bet that the high-Tier will have a unlock for a 5th Starship Trait, like the extra active roster DOff slot you can buy now. Or, maybe they'll go nuts and let you buy more than one for an increasing amount of FCs, like with with the DOff mission slots.
TT1, TS2, KLW3, CSV3 and that trait has me going wheeeeeeeee!
T6 Starship Mastery Traits off ships of the same kind (i.e. T6 Negh'Var and T6 Fleet Negh'Var)? The trait is only found in the Non-Fleet version. Just as back before DR, if you wanted the consoles or anything special, you had to get the C-Store ship first. The Fleet version never came with anything special, just the improved ship.
But as for the T1-T4 traits of a ship, yes, you got to start over going from C-Store ship to the Fleet one.
/sigh
The actual stats are going to be the most interesting part of the Avenger/Mogh/Mogai and Defiant/B'Rel/T'Varo packs, given the recent trend of releasing things in a comparably matched set.
The former has the Mogai as a clear standout as far as design. They could bump the pack to dual Tac and Eng Cmdr seating, but that seems unlikely unless the Hybrid seating is cut or limited to Ens as a balancing tactic. Meh, given the limited value of Cmdr Eng... I could see it happening anyway, even without additional design concessions.
The latter would have to see distinct seating changes to the Defiant to make it into a Raider. I could see that happening, though, especially if the set bonus grants the Defiant a battle cloak. Along the same lines, the T'Varo could have added Universal seating, but still trade Flanking for Singularity Powers much like the D'D trades out Cruiser Commands. Still, the B'Rel would still need some serious buffs over its current design philosophy to keep up with its compatriots.
As for the Starship Traits... all three sound rather nice, though the EP2W sounds the most interesting as it increases the value of Eng seating significantly. Assuming it's worthwhile in general, of course; as others have said it will depend on the degree of firing cycle haste, its duration, the cooldown/lockout, etc.
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That's fine, I do the same thing. At times I also tend to use a bunch of colors.
i would have thought the obvious unpopularity of the aquarius would have ensured that feddies would never see another raider. that is how it works, yes?
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While I have no facts to substantiate my thoughts from what we can gather out there, IMO, the Defiant and T'Varo will remain what they are. Basic Escort type ships. The BOP will still stay a Raider.
But I will concur: The Raider concept in STO is a total, abysmal failure.
I can make the Raiders shine. The Breen Raider is a magnificent example of the type. But you know most players out there can't handle Raider play that well.
Only place Raider play shines is with the KDF. And that is solely due to the BOPs being forced to be a Raider
Biggest problem with raiders is before the lockbox era started we had diminishing returns on tactical consoles which pretty much balanced things because science had adequate power being they had fewer weapon slots and there were no 5 front weapon slot ships. So then lockboxes fizzled out after people had enough after the first two and they stopped buying them. So that is when they used it as a selling point for lockbox and fleet ships which then it killed bops and other ships that had such fewer tactical consoles. Yeah they are raiders now which in a way was a good thing for the extra damage but in the grand scheme of things the bops are so under powered when looking at ships like romulan ones with reman infiltrators bolstering the cloak ambush for such an extended period of time it vastly out damages the factor of them having flanking. I do agree on the aspect of them being raiders and poor development they need to take them to the drawing board.
On the other note though I just feel like this game isn't going to move forward either until they take it out of the grindfest mentality to the least where we don't have to do specializations per character and per ship per character its just too far out there on the realms of possibility to even fathom attempting to do this for my main characters much less any alts I "loved" to play at one time.
Well the Mogai is a Tac ship with a Tac Commander and 4/3...I doubt they're going to make the T6 Mogai a 5/3 and Commander Engineer...same with the B'rel in Escort group...
The Defiant is NOT a Raider.
The Galaxy is NOT a Battle Cruiser.
The Mogai is NOT a Battle Cruiser.
However, it seems that the Armitage-Ar'kif-New Raptor Carrier are all going to be "Escort Carriers"
I'm actually glad they're breaking that "Everything is the same" for the ship releases.
Personally, I'm not fond of Flight Deck Escorts (or Escort Carriers if that's how you like 'em called) but it is good to see the KDF & Roms will be getting something new along the lines of the Akira with that same release. Actually, the KDF has never had a Flight Deck Escort before at any tier. Flight Deck Cruisers, yes but not Escorts.
The Defiant could be set up as a Raider in its next incarnation, especially if its 3-piece (Quad Cannons + Console - Cloaking Device + <whatever comes on the T6 version>) set bonus grants it a battle cloak. Again, this would leave the KDF screwed out of a set bonus entirely, and [SARCASM] even better [/SARCASM] would grant the Federation access to a 2-piece set bonus on multiple other ships... but I totally see it happening.
The Galaxy wasn't mentioned, that was the Avenger.
The Mogai is a bit of a standout, isn't it? Maybe if they do dual Cmdr Tac/Eng (since Cmdr Eng is sooo powerful anyway :P), 5/3 payload, and a 4/2/4 console layout for the pack it could work with close stats... Fleet versions would get the appropriate 5th console, but otherwise they could be balanced closer to each other, with the Mogai having the turn rate of the others while under the effects of the Strategic Maneuvering... or maybe do a range from Avenger<-->Mogh<-->Mogai as far as stat setup... just spitballing, but...
All three could have:
Shield Mod: 1.0
Payload: 5 fore/3 aft (Can equip dual cannons)
Bridge Officers: Cmdr Tac, Cmdr Eng, Ens Sci, 2x Lt Universal/Hybrid (specific Hybrid types to be determined)
Device Slots: 3
Consoles: 4/2/4
Bonus Power: +10 Weapons, +10 Engines
With the Avenger getting:
Hull: 43125 @ level 50
Crew: 600
Fleet Console: +1 Eng
Turn Rate: 9
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Inertia Rating: 50
Battlecruiser Comms Package
Battlecruiser Starship Mastery Package
Can equip Console - Cloaking Device
The Mogh getting:
Hull: 40535 @ level 50
Crew: 1200
Fleet Console: +1 Eng
Turn Rate: 11
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Inertia Rating: 45
Cloaking Device
Battlecruiser Comms Package
Battlecruiser Starship Mastery Package
The Mogai getting:
Hull: 37950 @ level 50
Crew: 900
Fleet Console: +1 Tac
Turn Rate: 13
Impulse Modifier: 0.20
Inertia Rating: 55
Romulan Battle Cloak
Singularity Core/Powers
Warbird Starship Mastery Package
Mind you, the last Iconics 3-pack had noticably different stats for each ship, with each ship being of a different classification (Cruiser/Battlecruiser/Warbird Battlecruiser), and one of them being left out of a set bonus (including from using consoles already released cross-faction :rolleyes:). We could easily end up with distinctly different ship on the Romulan end than on the Fed/KDF, and we're certain to have a 3-piece set on the Mogai as opposed to the 2-piece potential of the Avenger/Mogh (which actually makes sense as none of the relevant ships have had consoles released cross-faction).
Plus... releasing the Avenger/Mogh/Mogai is nowhere near as tough as trying to justify the comparative capabilities of the faction "flagships". The battlecloaking, frigate-launching, 5 Tac, Cmdr Tac, Dreadnought Warbird vs... the Oddy? Yeah, no... and that doesn't even get into the Bort's issues... that's a minefield I'd avoid at all costs. :P
Unless they plan on making the "flagships" competitive with each other!?! :eek:
None. But I'm all for it. And it would sadden some Roms even more, because they really do need to have a D-7 also. It is canon, after all that they used it.