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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I hope they update the VATA consoles (the concept of a weapon that fires a weapon that fires weapons is pretty fun; an extension of the classic MIRV warheads). Given that they're not likely to be made usable on other ships, they should just get a firepower update (such as a bigger punch upon hit).

    Also speaking in theory, it would be disappointing if they had to use the Mogai instead of creating an original. As well, equally disappointing if they did use a Mogai and not give it a VATA console. And it would be thoroughly disappointing if there wasn't a near-equivalent to the Valdore console for the Avenger and Mogh (and only slightly less-disappointing if they're not usable on all ships the way the Valdore's is for all Rom ships).
  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited May 2015
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    Also speaking in theory, it would be disappointing if they had to use the Mogai instead of creating an original. As well, equally disappointing if they did use a Mogai and not give it a VATA console. And it would be thoroughly disappointing if there wasn't a near-equivalent to the Valdore console for the Avenger and Mogh (and only slightly less-disappointing if they're not usable on all ships the way the Valdore's is for all Rom ships).

    By Spock Noooo ...

    We do NOT want Cryptic (or whoever is currently creating Romulan ships) anywhere near the design! If the hideous pilot ships are anything to go by (even a D'D Flagship would take one look at those ugly, flattened origami monstrosities and say 'not in my fleet!')

    The Mogai is graceful, yet predatory, and particularity when "kitbashed" with the Valdore, is dead sexy!

    Plus the Mogai/Valdore are one of the "classic" Romulan ship designs that does not yet have a T6 variant, and yet that can play the 'Battlecruiser" role. (The D'Dex got one, and the Ah'Hell is just an Arky with a long neck and clipped wings)

    And no, the Feds and Klinks do not need one of the very few 'unique' Romulan consoles, they have enough of their own thankyou very much!
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    Also speaking in theory, it would be disappointing if they had to use the Mogai instead of creating an original.

    We can neither confirm nor deny that you will be disappointed with a Mogai.
    :cool:
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    bendalek wrote: »
    By Spock Noooo ...

    We do NOT want Cryptic (or whoever is currently creating Romulan ships) anywhere near the design! If the hideous pilot ships are anything to go by (even a D'D Flagship would take one look at those ugly, flattened origami monstrosities and say 'not in my fleet!'
    To be fair though, the Romulan Pilot ships are supposed to be of Reman-centric design, with one of them a straight-up Reman-ish design (originally based on some early Scimitar concepts that they scaled down and played with a bit).

    Sure I get Romulan curves are the dominant and iconic aspect of their ships; heck, they got the best Command ships, but it should be a bit fair that the Remans get some representation too, even if it results in something that looks like the lovechild of the captured Elachi S'Golth and a Warbird, or results in a crude warbird designed explicitly around a planet-devastating BFG, that turns into a spider when firing it. As well, I guess it could show their dedication; Remans willing to fight it out in front while Romulans lead from their large command ships.

    If it was an option though, It'd be great if the Reman designs shifted to Borg Adapted like the Tal Shiar. Sleeker but still different to their regular Romulan equivalents (just a lot pricklier, like some Remans are).

    As to allowing for the Valdore console; it will probably happen sooner or later. Both KDF and Fed players have been wanting it as a Lockbox console, since KDF gave Feds and Fed-Roms access to the Plasmonic Leech.
  • mreeves7amreeves7a Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    We can neither confirm nor deny that you will be disappointed with a Mogai.
    :cool:

    Checking the Ionized Particle Beam console on Tribble strongly suggests that the T6 Mogai is called the Morrigu Class.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    mreeves7a wrote: »
    Checking the Ionized Particle Beam console on Tribble strongly suggests that the T6 Mogai is called the Morrigu Class.

    Ooh interesting, any clues on the other two... that we certainly don't know are happening, no sir, not at all...
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • hunteralpha84hunteralpha84 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Have I missed something? Has there been a blog or leak about t6 avenger? Or is it a leak? Eitherway is there any links?
  • mreeves7amreeves7a Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    Ooh interesting, any clues on the other two... that we certainly don't know are happening, no sir, not at all...

    Sadly, the V.A.T.A. and Dynamic Defense Deployment consoles do not yield the name of the T6 variants, however, one of the images on the site that shall not named seems to name the T6 Avenger as USS Arbiter (though, may just be the pixellation distorting Avenger and me being crazy)...
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    You know, I would not mind personally if a speculated Avenger and Mogh don't get the Valdore console (assuming a Mogai will be the third wheel)...

    BUT! Only if the Avenger gets a General Assault Unit console, or GAU console, that basically fires a continuous and highly accurate volley of heavy cannon shots (with no damage loss at range) at a target for 10-15 seconds, similar to the Micromissile Barrage duration. I won't even care if it causes the Avenger to lose speed during the firing duration.

    The KDF already has a similar weapon system on some of their ships (Bort and Mat'ha), but it could be reused again for the Mogh.
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited May 2015
    I am sure he's just harmlessly speculating on what kind of ships could get a Tier 6 variant, like those "Tier 6 Defiant" or "Tier 6 BOP" guys are...

    Um, don't be so sure... ;)

    In fact, all those ships you mentioned... yeah...

    :D
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited May 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    We can neither confirm nor deny that you will be disappointed with a Mogai.
    :cool:

    Really surprised more players don't use the Google...
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  • jim625jim625 Member Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I wonder what bridge officer seats they will get too maybe command seats
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited May 2015
    jim625 wrote: »
    I wonder what bridge officer seats they will get too maybe command seats

    Hypothetically speaking, of course...

    I really hope it's not Command-specialized... an Intel variant of the Avenger (and, for giggles, we'll throw in the Mogh and the Mogai to that grouping) would be a welcomed addition, IMO.
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  • mreeves7amreeves7a Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    jim625 wrote: »
    I wonder what bridge officer seats they will get too maybe command seats

    Command is bit...saturated at the moment. I'm expecting them to bump the lt uni to lt cmdr, with the lt sci (avenger/mogh) or lt tac (mogai) gaining intel hybrid status
  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I understand paying full price for a T6 vs T5u ship. But if you have a Fleet T5U, the upgrade from T6 to Fleet T6 should have a discount.
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  • jim625jim625 Member Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Hypothetically speaking, of course...

    I really hope it's not Command-specialized... an Intel variant of the Avenger (and, for giggles, we'll throw in the Mogh and the Mogai to that grouping) would be a welcomed addition, IMO.

    I was also gonna suggest pilot seats as well but not so sure since they are battlecruisers
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    jim625 wrote: »
    I was also gonna suggest pilot seats as well but not so sure since they are battlecruisers
    They did show off a Pilot Sheshar and Pilot Sovereign, just throwing that out there.

    (I'm still pissed they didn't just upgrade the Sheshar's Hybrid seat to a Science/UniSpec Hybrid. Would have made them so much more money; esp. on a Promo ship that would have been the first to have a Universal Specialization seat, though still restricted to Science).
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    potasssium wrote: »
    I understand paying full price for a T6 vs T5u ship. But if you have a Fleet T5U, the upgrade from T6 to Fleet T6 should have a discount.

    Someone at Cryptic just had a big laugh :P
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    potasssium wrote: »
    I understand paying full price for a T6 vs T5u ship. But if you have a Fleet T5U, the upgrade from T6 to Fleet T6 should have a discount.
    First rule of acquisition, once you have their money you never give it back.

    :v

    (I agree with you but I'm in the same boat)
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    an avenger T6 intel -> yes
    an avenger T6 command -> no thx
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Intel makes the most sense, as the T5 Avenger was one of the few ships that could slot a Fed Cloak.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    We are, hoever, still in the "pilot" state of affairs. I woulg suspect the Avenger, Mogh and Mogai T6 will be pilot battlecruisers. Releasing intel ships now doesn't make too much sense. I could be wrong, of course.
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I was kind of worried we weren't going to have enough T6 Cruisers.
    angrytarg wrote: »
    We are, hoever, still in the "pilot" state of affairs. I woulg suspect the Avenger, Mogh and Mogai T6 will be pilot battlecruisers. Releasing intel ships now doesn't make too much sense. I could be wrong, of course.

    They put out the Command Sheshar Dread after the release of Pilot Spec, Pilot Ships, and the newer Xindi Escort. The Lobi Store's Xindi Cruiser that came out with the current lockbox and lobi ship uses both Intel & Command, no Pilot.
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  • carlosbflycarlosbfly Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I was kind of worried we weren't going to have enough T6 Cruisers.

    The game has had such a massive drought of them since Delta Rising after all ;)
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I was kind of worried we weren't going to have enough T6 Cruisers.

    Yeah, also that :D
    They put out the Command Sheshar Dread after the release of Pilot Spec, Pilot Ships, and the newer Xindi Escort. The Lobi Store's Xindi Cruiser that came out with the current lockbox and lobi ship uses both Intel & Command, no Pilot.

    That's true. Those are all lockbox/lobi items, though. But maybe this isn't relevant, I was just thinking we haven't our "LTC pilot" ships, yet. Then again, with intel they didn't have those either, and the Intrepid T6 has still a vastly different layout from the command T6 ships... maybe there is just no system behind releasing ships :D
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • induperatorinduperator Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I was kind of worried we weren't going to have enough T6 Cruisers.
    carlosbfly wrote: »
    The game has had such a massive drought of them since Delta Rising after all ;)
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Yeah, also that :D

    Funny how if the Situation were reversed and there were a myriad of Escorts on the market then not many people would complain. :rolleyes:
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    Maybe they will be like the JHSS or the Xindi ship and have multiple specialised slots.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    My simple predictions for the upcoming Avenger/Mogh, Mogai, Defiant, B'Rel, T'Varo when they hit T6. You should be able to easily see most of this just by looking at the previous ships that went T5->T6.

    Consoles? The same as Fleet T5U versions.

    Weapons? Do not expect any drastic changes, i.e. Defiant magically going from 4/3 to 5/2. None of the previously converted ships had a drastic change like that.

    Specializations? I can't say what access to which Specializations they'll have access to but none of these ships will be accessing Cmdr level access to any, if at all. NONE of the previous lower tier ships going to T6 have had Cmdr level Specialization access. And by extension, NONE of them have access to special abilities: Gather Intel, Inspiration. And the new Xindi Escort from the current lockbox has limited Pilot ability access but more importantly, no Pilot Maneuvers. That will persist with the later Defiant/B'Rel/T'Varo releases to T6.

    BOFF Station upgrades:

    Mogh/Avenger: Ens TAC -> Lt TAC, becomes Hybrid Station

    Mogai: Ens SCI -> Lt SCI, becomes Hybrid Station

    Defiant: Ens TAC -> Lt Universal, LtCdr TAC becomes Hybrid

    B'Rel: One of the Lt Universals -> LtCdr Universal, one of the LtCdr stations becomes Hybrid

    T'Varo: Ens TAC -> Lt TAC, LtCdr Universal becomes Hybrid

    Console Sets:

    Mogh/Avenger: T6 version will come with new console, making a 2 piece set possible with a bonus.

    Mogai: T6 will come with new console, expanding Mogai Set to 3 with appropriate new bonus.

    Defiant: T6 will come with a new console. Currently, the Defiant has access to Cloaking Device and Phaser Quads but do not make up a set. With the arrival of T6 Defiant, I believe a 3 item set will be made.

    B'Rel: T6 will come with a new console. But no set possible, much less a set bonus. Why? Because not even the C-Store B'Rel at T5 came with anything. Cryptic loved the KDF that much.

    T'Varo: T6 will come with new console, expanding the existing T'Varo set from 2 to 3.
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    My simple predictions for the upcoming Avenger/Mogh, Mogai, Defiant, B'Rel, T'Varo when they hit T6. You should be able to easily see most of this just by looking at the previous ships that went T5->T6.

    BOFF Station upgrades:

    Mogh/Avenger: Ens TAC -> Lt TAC, becomes Hybrid Station

    Mogai: Ens SCI -> Lt SCI, becomes Hybrid Station

    It could be possible that any theoretical Avenger/Mogh/Mogai could have double Hybrid seats; say Intel and Command or Intel and Pilot (and be the first non-Promo/Event ships to have double Spec seats, after the JHSS).

    If Avenger and Mogh get the Ensign Tac upgraded to Lt Tac/Hybrid, it and the Lt Sci could get double Hybrid (or instead of the Lt Sci seat, it'd be the Lt Uni seat, similar to the JHSS). While if the Mogai gets the Ensign Sci upgraded to Lt Sci/Hybrid, the Lt Universal or Lt Tac seats would get the second Hybrid seat.

    This is all assuming of course, that they don't intend to make the LtC Tac seats on the Mogh and Avenger and the LtC Engineer seat on the Mogai a single Hybrid (which would make them the second non-Event ships to have an LtC Hybrid seat; the first being the X-Faction Cruiser trio).

    As to the rumors of a T6 Defiant, B'Rel, and T'Varo, I'm just a little disappointed they went that route instead of doing a double bundle: A "Raider" pack consisting of the Aquarius, B'Rel, and new Romulan Raider, and an "Escort" pack consisting of the Defiant, a(nother) raptor, and the T'Varo, since it would make better sense with the Boff seating loadout.

    Of course, the current path does lead to the possibility that the B'Rel is being brought in-line with the Defiant and T'Varo in terms of Boff seating (more fixed seats), or that the Defiant and T'Varo will be made more flexible like the B'Rel (more Uni seats), or an even balance of both (roughly 50% Uni and 50% fixed). After all, they did break from repeating the Pathfinder's layout for the Galaxy and it's faction sisters, so I would expect they'd break old Boff seatings for these as well if the felt it ideal.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I think warmaker's on the money with his speculation.
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