I can't believe people are still whining about this. In a ****ing STAR TREK game of all places. Seriously?
Star Trek was all about diversity and the abolition of restrictive cultural mores that inhibited people's freedom, especially religious ones, and was very much against the concept of prejudice and bigotry of all kinds. That's at the very core of what Star Trek stands for.
Seriously, if you can't handle (blacks / gays / women / insert unpopular minority here) in your entertainment media, GTFO out of anything labeled Star Trek. It's an extremely liberal, highly progressive franchise and if you can't handle that, well Janeway knows exactly the word to say.
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While i agree this topic is off brand, most poeple here have had a good and honest conversation. Poster are being polite and not trolling and insulting people. Over all even thought it is off topic people have behaved themselves.
Shellfish is an abomination in the bible and is forbidden to be consumed. And if you consume it, you'll end up in a dead shellfish hell after you die.... But no one ever talks about it because people love crab and lobster.
There was no teaching of any fiery "hell" in the Hebrew scriptures, which contained the diet restrictions for the Isrealites. And the dietary restrictions were removed in a vision to Peter in the Greek scriptures(Acts 10: 9-16), so there was never any connection between the dietary restrictions you are referencing and burning in "hell". Just FYI.
So... we're all going bat crazy over the love of two Klingons?
Well I'm going bat crazy over peoples reactions to the love of two Klingons.
Although thankfully it boils down to 'argh, bad writing, stop shoving it in my face' or 'Klingons don't do that' rather than 'eww dur TRIBBLE'.
This all started as a reasonable discussion of it it is the sort of thin Klingons would accept and ended up... here .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I can't believe people are still whining about this. In a ****ing STAR TREK game of all places. Seriously?
Star Trek was all about diversity and the abolition of restrictive cultural mores that inhibited people's freedom, especially religious ones, and was very much against the concept of prejudice and bigotry of all kinds. That's at the very core of what Star Trek stands for.
Seriously, if you can't handle (blacks / gays / women / insert unpopular minority here) in your entertainment media, GTFO out of anything labeled Star Trek. It's an extremely liberal, highly progressive franchise and if you can't handle that, well Janeway knows exactly the word to say.
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Wow..... you do know the OP's beef is NOT about the lesbain being in the mission, it's about HOW it was depicted. Look up Vito Russo Test.
There was no teaching of any fiery "hell" in the Hebrew scriptures, which contained the diet restrictions for the Isrealites. And the dietary restrictions were removed in a vision to Peter in the Greek scriptures(Acts 10: 9-16), so there was never any connection between the dietary restrictions you are referencing and burning in "hell". Just FYI.
On the other hand, cotton-poly clothes and crop rotation are also terrible sins in Leviticus, and those were never officially rescinded either...
I can't believe people are still whining about this. In a ****ing STAR TREK game of all places. Seriously?
Star Trek was all about diversity and the abolition of restrictive cultural mores that inhibited people's freedom, especially religious ones, and was very much against the concept of prejudice and bigotry of all kinds. That's at the very core of what Star Trek stands for.
Seriously, if you can't handle (blacks / gays / women / insert unpopular minority here) in your entertainment media, GTFO out of anything labeled Star Trek. It's an extremely liberal, highly progressive franchise and if you can't handle that, well Janeway knows exactly the word to say.
Wow..... you do know the OP's beef is NOT about the lesbain being in the mission, it's about HOW it was depicted. Look up Vito Russo Test.
No, in point of fact the complaint appears to be the idea that TRIBBLE Klingons exist at all. As I said earlier, it's not like anyone said, "Hey, look out for that TRIBBLE Klingon scientist B'Elen, her TRIBBLE lover is crazy because any woman who gets protective must be butch, right?" You were just cautioned that B'Elen's mate was very protective. And then you met her mate, who happened to be female. And nobody made any fuss about it in the game; the only fussing is taking place right here on these forums.
As for the "lipstick TRIBBLE" comment, and its implication that girls who dress up aren't really TRIBBLE, I dare you to repeat that to my niece and her wife. I just dare you. Her father, a (now retired) police officer and former Marine, taught her how to fight when she was just a kid...
There was no teaching of any fiery "hell" in the Hebrew scriptures, which contained the diet restrictions for the Isrealites. And the dietary restrictions were removed in a vision to Peter in the Greek scriptures(Acts 10: 9-16), so there was never any connection between the dietary restrictions you are referencing and burning in "hell". Just FYI.
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination
Meh just introduce Kahless on the ship. There problem solved.... now... Everyone... back to the Enterprise Maco thread!
Cryptic, where's my MACO outfit... Oh, you mean in the art forum? Oops .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
On the other hand, cotton-poly clothes and crop rotation are also terrible sins in Leviticus, and those were never officially rescinded either...
Not to get too far down the rabbit hole of religious discussion here, but the apostle Paul said that after the Christ had died, that old Mosaic Law was null and void. See the following verses:
In a way, it was like the Mosaic law was a test meant to show that no one was perfect, and needed salvation. But once the Christ died and salvation was granted, that old law was no longer needed, and Jesus gave a new law which was basically summed up as "just love each other"(John 13: 34,35).
As for the "lipstick TRIBBLE" comment, and its implication that girls who dress up aren't really TRIBBLE, I dare you to repeat that to my niece and her wife. I just dare you. Her father, a (now retired) police officer and former Marine, taught her how to fight when she was just a kid...
In "our" community, "we" sometimes refer to those of "us" who DON'T dress like members of the United TRIBBLE Marine Corps, as "Lipstick" lesbians, or sometimes just "Lippies".
Doesn't mean "they" are not every bit as TRIBBLE as "us", just that some of "us" think less of them for appearing in public looking attractive to men.
And for the record, I've been called a Lippy many times, and there are a number of "Diesels" who have ended up regretting saying that to my face in an insulting manner outside a lez bar on a Saturday night when I was younger.
So, can we drop this thread now?
/thread
EDIT: The idea of a Klingon Lippy...
Low cut dress... High heels... Bat'Leth...
LMFAO.
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And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination
Leviticus 1011
And He called the multitude, and said unto them, "Hear and understand: not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."
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And Jesus said, "Are ye also yet without understanding? Do not yet ye understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out in the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man."
Matthew 15:10-11, 16-18
On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, "Rise, Peter; kill, and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean." And the voice spake unto him again the second time, "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common." This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Oh, by the way, as long as we're into Bible-mining, I'd like to recite here exactly what the Christ had to say on the topic of TRIBBLE people, and homosexuality in general:
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He did, however, have a tendency to go on at length about those who judge others for their "sins". He wasn't in favor.
It's pure fact. I honestly don't understand why conservatives are even here, Star Trek stands for everything they hate. I don't get the appeal for them at all.
Star Trek depicts a multicultural, multiracial atheist socialist utopia that is anti-war, pro-diversity, and pro-science to the point that religion is dismissed as primitive superstition that humans have moved long past.
I don't get why a conservative would even want to be involved in such a property that is basically a liberal religion. Are you just that far in denial of what Star Trek actually is all about and just try to ignore it and concentrate on the pretty spaceships?
Actually religion is still there I seem to remember a few references in the show but it sounds like its uncommon.
Oh, by the way, as long as we're into Bible-mining, I'd like to recite here exactly what the Christ had to say on the topic of TRIBBLE people, and homosexuality in general:
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He did, however, have a tendency to go on at length about those who judge others for their "sins". He wasn't in favor.
So, here is the thing about the Bible, IMO: IF you are going to believe it, then you basically have to believe all of it. Why? Because Jesus himself did not write any of it. If he had, I could understand some people saying "well, I'll go by the books Jesus wrote, but nobody else's books". But again, he didn't write anything himself. Even the books talking about Jesus(the gospels) were written by other people. My point? That no matter what book you read, you are just taking someone else's word that that is what Jesus said, or did. So again, IF you are going to believe the Bible, and IF you are going to believe the peopel who wrote the Bible had divine inspiration telling them what to write, then that would mean that the books that *do* talk about homosexuality are just as valid as the gospels themselves, because none of it was actually written by Jesus himself.
Having said all that, you are 100% right that Jesus did strongly condemn judging other people, and said that if you judge other people harshly, then God will judge you harshly. So whether you are religious or not, the main point on this topic, to me, is that none of us have any business judging other people. Live your own life the way you think is right, but don't judge someone else as wrong(unless called to do so by the state, which I unfortunately have to do on June 15th).
It's pure fact. I honestly don't understand why conservatives are even here, Star Trek stands for everything they hate. I don't get the appeal for them at all.
Star Trek depicts a multicultural, multiracial atheist socialist utopia that is anti-war, pro-diversity, and pro-science to the point that religion is dismissed as primitive superstition that humans have moved long past.
I don't get why a conservative would even want to be involved in such a property that is basically a liberal religion. Are you just that far in denial of what Star Trek actually is all about and just try to ignore it and concentrate on the pretty spaceships?
Not going to dive into the rabbit hole any more than that, but it is something that has baffled me from the beginning.
It used to baffle me as well until I discovered just how much Star Trek appeals to personalities who get the impression they just don't "fit in" with everybody else. Minority opinions as compared to the status quo. Mental illness and eccentricity. People who "believe" Star Trek is about something it generally is not, regardless of facts or reality given to them -- and then doubling down on their beliefs when called on it.
Oh, by the way, as long as we're into Bible-mining, I'd like to recite here exactly what the Christ had to say on the topic of TRIBBLE people, and homosexuality in general:
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
He did, however, have a tendency to go on at length about those who judge others for their "sins". He wasn't in favor.
Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, but He did condemn all forms of sexual immorality:
What comes out of you is what defiles you. For from within, out of your hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile you. (TNIV, Mark 7:20-23)
The apostle Paul, in one of his letters to the Corinthians, wrote the verses most often quoted on this subject:
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
John 7:24
"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
While this is the hardest version of this verse I can find it tells people to judge correctly.
You guys do realize that Religion is one of the topics the rules forbid us to discuss on the forum, right?
If nothing else, at least, maybe that will get this thread finally closed - assuming a Mod or Dev shows up. It is the weekend.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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So... we're all going bat crazy over the love of two Klingons?
Yes we are!
While i agree this topic is off brand, most poeple here have had a good and honest conversation. Poster are being polite and not trolling and insulting people. Over all even thought it is off topic people have behaved themselves.
What about the dude on Nimbus?
There was no teaching of any fiery "hell" in the Hebrew scriptures, which contained the diet restrictions for the Isrealites. And the dietary restrictions were removed in a vision to Peter in the Greek scriptures(Acts 10: 9-16), so there was never any connection between the dietary restrictions you are referencing and burning in "hell". Just FYI.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Well I'm going bat crazy over peoples reactions to the love of two Klingons.
Although thankfully it boils down to 'argh, bad writing, stop shoving it in my face' or 'Klingons don't do that' rather than 'eww dur TRIBBLE'.
This all started as a reasonable discussion of it it is the sort of thin Klingons would accept and ended up... here
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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The same rule that applies to Nimbus applies to Vegas and Risa. What happens on Nimbus stays on Nimbus, unless you need an hypo later.
Standard Darthmeow overreaction.
Meh just introduce Kahless on the ship. There problem solved.... now... Everyone... back to the Enterprise Maco thread!
As for the "lipstick TRIBBLE" comment, and its implication that girls who dress up aren't really TRIBBLE, I dare you to repeat that to my niece and her wife. I just dare you. Her father, a (now retired) police officer and former Marine, taught her how to fight when she was just a kid...
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination
Leviticus 1011
Cryptic, where's my MACO outfit... Oh, you mean in the art forum? Oops
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Not to get too far down the rabbit hole of religious discussion here, but the apostle Paul said that after the Christ had died, that old Mosaic Law was null and void. See the following verses:
Romans 7:6
Romans 10:4
Colossians 2:13, 14
Ephesians 2:15
Hebrews 8:13
In a way, it was like the Mosaic law was a test meant to show that no one was perfect, and needed salvation. But once the Christ died and salvation was granted, that old law was no longer needed, and Jesus gave a new law which was basically summed up as "just love each other"(John 13: 34,35).
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Two responses from Nabreeki? I'm quite fortunate today. Let's shoot for more!
In "our" community, "we" sometimes refer to those of "us" who DON'T dress like members of the United TRIBBLE Marine Corps, as "Lipstick" lesbians, or sometimes just "Lippies".
Doesn't mean "they" are not every bit as TRIBBLE as "us", just that some of "us" think less of them for appearing in public looking attractive to men.
And for the record, I've been called a Lippy many times, and there are a number of "Diesels" who have ended up regretting saying that to my face in an insulting manner outside a lez bar on a Saturday night when I was younger.
So, can we drop this thread now?
/thread
EDIT: The idea of a Klingon Lippy...
Low cut dress... High heels... Bat'Leth...
LMFAO.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life...</b></size></center>
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And Jesus said, "Are ye also yet without understanding? Do not yet ye understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out in the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man."
Matthew 15:10-11, 16-18
On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, "Rise, Peter; kill, and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean." And the voice spake unto him again the second time, "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common." This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Acts 10:9-16
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.
.
.
.
.
.
He did, however, have a tendency to go on at length about those who judge others for their "sins". He wasn't in favor.
Actually religion is still there I seem to remember a few references in the show but it sounds like its uncommon.
So, here is the thing about the Bible, IMO: IF you are going to believe it, then you basically have to believe all of it. Why? Because Jesus himself did not write any of it. If he had, I could understand some people saying "well, I'll go by the books Jesus wrote, but nobody else's books". But again, he didn't write anything himself. Even the books talking about Jesus(the gospels) were written by other people. My point? That no matter what book you read, you are just taking someone else's word that that is what Jesus said, or did. So again, IF you are going to believe the Bible, and IF you are going to believe the peopel who wrote the Bible had divine inspiration telling them what to write, then that would mean that the books that *do* talk about homosexuality are just as valid as the gospels themselves, because none of it was actually written by Jesus himself.
Having said all that, you are 100% right that Jesus did strongly condemn judging other people, and said that if you judge other people harshly, then God will judge you harshly. So whether you are religious or not, the main point on this topic, to me, is that none of us have any business judging other people. Live your own life the way you think is right, but don't judge someone else as wrong(unless called to do so by the state, which I unfortunately have to do on June 15th).
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Only fanatics turn the series into a religion.
It used to baffle me as well until I discovered just how much Star Trek appeals to personalities who get the impression they just don't "fit in" with everybody else. Minority opinions as compared to the status quo. Mental illness and eccentricity. People who "believe" Star Trek is about something it generally is not, regardless of facts or reality given to them -- and then doubling down on their beliefs when called on it.
Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, but He did condemn all forms of sexual immorality:
What comes out of you is what defiles you. For from within, out of your hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile you. (TNIV, Mark 7:20-23)
The apostle Paul, in one of his letters to the Corinthians, wrote the verses most often quoted on this subject:
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
John 7:24
"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
While this is the hardest version of this verse I can find it tells people to judge correctly.
If nothing else, at least, maybe that will get this thread finally closed - assuming a Mod or Dev shows up. It is the weekend.