This game needs better ship balance / Like SFC.

age03

This game needs better ship balance.There are no science ships for the Rom or Klingon factions which there should be.

I ma working on a Rom Sci off and allI get is the DDRex Warbird unlike my Fed Sci Off which has good selection.I ma using a Gorn on my Kdf Sci off no cloak tho.

To those who buy zen ships or even free ones should be able to level them up.This is possible in PWI with areomounts.

Then there is the fact that Fed Criusers can't use DHC cannons which all Rom and Kdf ships can.

I would really stop coming out with new ships and fix the old ones up.

This game would give me and possibly old Trek fans more fun if we could use a the classics in any mission even STFs.

I would like to see more native type of weaponary avaible eg phaser for Feds not just APs. and that goes for others.

When it comes to space combat starfleet Command has this game beat.I would say that foe other Star Trek games

I know everyone one of them and they have great mods.

I would tell those at CBS untill somene comes out with similar games starting in 2240 that you be allowed to release T 5 Miranda,Const and Rom Bop.

talonxv

All I got out of this, is you want everything for everyone, using the same stuff, just different cardboard cutout?

Got it and no no and HELL NO.

rattler2

Up until SFC3 they got around different weapons by having a crazy number of ship variants. And the worst part was all of them had various designations, and they weren't shared across all the factions making it hard to know exactly what you were looking at.

SFC3 did away with that and just gave you the base design that you could customize with different weapons, while limiting certain factions to certain weapon types.

As to the dual cannon issue... most Fed cruisers are just straight cruisers while Romulans and Klingons have BATTLEcruisers.

You're not locked into AP you know. You CAN use other damage types. My main is using Phaser on two cruisers, Phased Biomatter on a Phantom, and Plasmatic Biomatter on a Scryer. I've got a friend who made a pretty decent Tetryon build on his cruiser.

age03

The Oddy and the Sovvy are BCHs and I ma referring to Starfleet Command 1 and 2 which by far are the best Star Trek when it comes to sapce battles.

They are far better balanced

I would consder a DDex warbird the same as the Galaxy.Those that have boofs that can only use cannons skills can't do anything with beams.

abaddon653

rattler2 wrote: »

You're not locked into AP you know. You CAN use other damage types. My main is using Phaser on two cruisers, Phased Biomatter on a Phantom, and Plasmatic Biomatter on a Scryer. I've got a friend who made a pretty decent Tetryon build on his cruiser.

Plasma dmg not Phaser.

rattler2

abaddon653 wrote: »

Plasma dmg not Phaser.

I am aware that Plasmatic Biomatter is Plasma based. Why do you think I mentioned BOTH types of Biomatter and not just one?

I'm using standard Phasers on a Guardian and Eclipse, Phased Biomatter on a Phantom, and the Plasmatic on the Scryer. My Dauntless has a mix of standard and Corrosive Plasma. The rear Beam Arrays are going to cost an arm and a leg to replace with Corrosive.

Proof that no one is locked into AP. I got a fleetmate who actually called my Phased Biomatter packin' Phantom, named USS Erza Scarlet, the Murder Boat since I've been upgrading gear on her. Mk XIV Phased Biomatter Dual Heavy Cannons and Turrets +4 UR fleet Phaser Consoles. She packs a punch.

orion0029

age03 wrote: »

This game needs better ship balance.There are no science ships for the Rom or Klingon factions which there should be.

I ma working on a Rom Sci off and allI get is the DDRex Warbird unlike my Fed Sci Off which has good selection.I ma using a Gorn on my Kdf Sci off no cloak tho.

To those who buy zen ships or even free ones should be able to level them up.This is possible in PWI with areomounts.

Then there is the fact that Fed Criusers can't use DHC cannons which all Rom and Kdf ships can.

I would really stop coming out with new ships and fix the old ones up.

This game would give me and possibly old Trek fans more fun if we could use a the classics in any mission even STFs.

I would like to see more native type of weaponary avaible eg phaser for Feds not just APs. and that goes for others.

When it comes to space combat starfleet Command has this game beat.I would say that foe other Star Trek games

I know everyone one of them and they have great mods.

I would tell those at CBS untill somene comes out with similar games starting in 2240 that you be allowed to release T 5 Miranda,Const and Rom Bop.

I'd like to start by saying, I agree that KDF/Romulans need more science ship options.

There is actually a good reason there are no/few Romulan or KDF Science ships: they don't sell, the developers actually cited this (In a recent live stream I believe) as the cause that they aren't making said ships. The Varanus, one of the few KDF science ships has one of the worst records for ship sales in STO.

The reason that Fed cruisers aren't able to use dual cannons, isn't so much about balance as it is about canon (pardon the pun), put simply Starfleet Cruisers have never used cannons in the movies or shows, but many of the Klingon and romulan ships did use cannons. (Personally I agree with this policy as I still cringe a little when I see a fed cruiser using single cannons, it just looks wierd lol)

I would actually greatly appreciate it if Cryptic went back and updated/overhauled some of the older ships, the Galaxy Dreadnought for instance could have used a makeover for years now. But I doubt that this would be financially feasable for Cryptic to spend developer manhours on old ships that likely won't make enough sales anymore to justify the expense. (barring a T6 of the ship coming out, like the recent Iconic ships)

Also, there are a wide variety of weapon types available, you just have to know where to look (Fleet stores or the exchange usually have a good selection to choose from), my Klingon engineer is using Phased Biomatter (phaser) weapons right now on his Raptor and I'm lovin' it!

However, if you are referring to the Reputation, Event, Featured Episode, and Lockbox weapons being... heavily populated with AP weapons, I agree I would like to see some of the other weapon types see some love. The Developers actually listed (somewhere, please don't ask me where I read it, I forget) the number of each type of weapons in the game and it did show that AP weapons were trailing behind, which would likely explain the semi-recent lean toward Anti-proton variants.

Not gonna touch the T5 Miranda, Connie argument, it's been rehashed many times...

jarvisandalfred

age03 wrote: »

This game needs better ship balance.There are no science ships for the Rom or Klingon factions which there should be.

I ma working on a Rom Sci off and allI get is the DDRex Warbird unlike my Fed Sci Off which has good selection.I ma using a Gorn on my Kdf Sci off no cloak tho.

To those who buy zen ships or even free ones should be able to level them up.This is possible in PWI with areomounts.

Then there is the fact that Fed Criusers can't use DHC cannons which all Rom and Kdf ships can.

I would really stop coming out with new ships and fix the old ones up.

This game would give me and possibly old Trek fans more fun if we could use a the classics in any mission even STFs.

I would like to see more native type of weaponary avaible eg phaser for Feds not just APs. and that goes for others.

When it comes to space combat starfleet Command has this game beat.I would say that foe other Star Trek games

I know everyone one of them and they have great mods.

I would tell those at CBS untill somene comes out with similar games starting in 2240 that you be allowed to release T 5 Miranda,Const and Rom Bop.

1. This is an issue of ship availability to non-Fed factions, not a balance issues.

2. Tier-wise? This would get the connie removed from the game or get both incessant bug reports and flaming that it can't be upgraded - among other issues.

3. The Fed Battlecruisers (Eclipse and Avenger) can use DHC's. Only the KDF's Battlecruisers can slot DHC's - their Maurader and Corsair aren't BattleCruisers, and can't slot DHC's. The Romulans just have warbirds, which are neither Cruisers nor Battlecruisers. There's a few basic ship types in question here, with differences: Battlecruisers sacrifice two cruiser commands for the ability slot DHC's. Warbirds sacrifice 40 base power in exchange for following their own set of rules, which give them access to singularity powers, cloaks, and being able to slot DHC's.

4. I'd agree with this statement in general, not with ships.

5. Feel free - Here's an NX in ISA, beating it, 3 times in a row.. Your NX can't possibly be significantly worse than the average pug.

6. ...Like Phasers or even Retrofit Phasers?

christianmac

age03 wrote: »

The Oddy and the Sovvy are BCHs and I ma referring to Starfleet Command 1 and 2 which by far are the best Star Trek when it comes to sapce battles.

They are far better balanced

I would consder a DDex warbird the same as the Galaxy.Those that have boofs that can only use cannons skills can't do anything with beams.

I can turn a city bus around faster then the oddy and turn 10 degrees, DHC are a waste on that hull.

christianmac

age03 wrote: »

This game needs better ship balance.There are no science ships for the Rom or Klingon factions which there should be.

I ma working on a Rom Sci off and allI get is the DDRex Warbird unlike my Fed Sci Off which has good selection.I ma using a Gorn on my Kdf Sci off no cloak tho.

To those who buy zen ships or even free ones should be able to level them up.This is possible in PWI with areomounts.

Then there is the fact that Fed Criusers can't use DHC cannons which all Rom and Kdf ships can.

I would really stop coming out with new ships and fix the old ones up.

This game would give me and possibly old Trek fans more fun if we could use a the classics in any mission even STFs.

I would like to see more native type of weaponary avaible eg phaser for Feds not just APs. and that goes for others.

When it comes to space combat starfleet Command has this game beat.I would say that foe other Star Trek games

I know everyone one of them and they have great mods.

I would tell those at CBS untill somene comes out with similar games starting in 2240 that you be allowed to release T 5 Miranda,Const and Rom Bop.

As CBS owns the rights to the ships and the license PWE cant dictate to them. They have stated that there will not be tier 6 mirandas, connies or NXs....get over it

virusdancer

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1162461

jarvisandalfred

orion0029 wrote: »

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However, if you are referring to the Reputation, Event, Featured Episode, and Lockbox weapons being... heavily populated with AP weapons, I agree I would like to see some of the other weapon types see some love. The Developers actually listed (somewhere, please don't ask me where I read it, I forget) the number of each type of weapons in the game and it did show that AP weapons were trailing behind, which would likely explain the semi-recent lean toward Anti-proton variants.

Here, let me make a list for you then.

Antiproton: (3 variants)

Fluidic Antiproton
Voth Antiproton
Radiant Antiproton

Disruptors: (8 variants)

Plasma-Disruptor
Romulan Plasma (yes, these two are different)
Corrosive Plasma
Polarized Disruptor
Bio-Molecular Disruptor
Nanite Disruptor
Elachi Disruptor
Spiral Wave Disruptor


Phasers: (7 variants)

Andorian Phasers
Phased Polaron
Phased Tetryon
Spiral Wave
Bio-Molecular Phasers
Phased Biomatter
Retrofit Phasers

Plasma: (5 variants)

Romulan Plasma (Romplas)
Corrosive Plasma (Corrplas)
Caustic Plasma
Plasma Disruptor
Plasmatic Biomatter

Polaron (6 variants):

Phased Polaron
Protonic Polaron
Polarized Disruptor
Dominion Polaron
Thoron-Infused Polaron
Vaadwaur Polaron


Tetryon (5 variants):

Dominion Polaron
Refracting Tetryon
Phased Tetryon
Destabilizing Tetryon
Polarized Tetryon
Dominion Polaron

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Or, if you want to talk special things given to each weapon:

AP: (4)

Obelisk 2-set
AP Spirit Bomb (CCA Reward)
Chroniton Beam Bank
Radiant Armamaents 3-set

Disruptor: (7)

Counter-Command 2-set
Disruptor Autocannon
Heavy Disruptor Nose Cannon
Disruptor Quad Cannons
Javelin
Heavy Disruptor Lance
Disruptor Lotus

Phasers: (10)

Counter-Command 2-set
Temptest Tail Gun
Nadian Saturation Bomb
Kumari Phaser Wing Cannons
Andorian Console set
Phaser Spinal Lance
Quantum Field Focus Controller (Vesta Lance)
Heavy Phaser Lance
Phaser Quad Cannons
Phaser Lotus

Plasma: (6)

Romulan Singularity Harness 2- and 3-set.
Heavy Plasma Lance
Focused Singularity Modulator
Plasma Quad Cannons
Plasma Lotus
Also buffs damage of plasma dot on the, what, 6? 7? special plasma torps (and the normal ones as well)

Polaron: (1)

Jem'Hadar 2-set

Tetryon: (4)

Nukara Strikeforce 2-set
Apex Predator 2-set
Tetryon Cascade
Unstable Tetryon Lattice (Nukara Strikeforce Technologies 3-set active)


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So... to total everything up...

AP: 7

Disruptor: 15

Phaser: 17

Plasma: 11

Polaron: 7

Tetryon: 9

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Meaning that beforehand, AP was completely at the bottom of things given special bonuses. It has now moved it's way up to tied with Polaron for last, and has only barely over 1/3 of the special toys that Phaser has.