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If I am reading the news right, Geko and Salami have decided that there are too many free ships available, so they will be making it impossible to get the Risian Corvette and Cruiser at the next summer event.
Do you think that there are too many free ships if players are able to get the Risian Corvette and Cruiser?
I don't think so, the Risian ships are cool but can they really be depressing c-store sales and stuff?
It seems like for all their focus on getting people to log in, ship sales have trumped it for the summer event.
If it was still possible for new folks to earn all 3 risa ships, they'd have to do 3x as much stuff to get them, which would drive logons and time in game.
Do you think that there are too many free ships if players are able to get the Risian Corvette and Cruiser?
I don't think so, the Risian ships are cool but can they really be depressing c-store sales and stuff?
It seems like for all their focus on getting people to log in, ship sales have trumped it for the summer event.
If it was still possible for new folks to earn all 3 risa ships, they'd have to do 3x as much stuff to get them, which would drive logons and time in game.
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All they are saying, is that Pearls wont be the currency any longer.
Not sure where this misinformation is coming from, but it's not from the blog.
From the blog...
...the number of folks having a cow would be much smaller if it was just the Pearls going away.
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People have varying opinions on them...but I still believe that if they sported Fed skins, one would see a Hell of a lot more of them around.
Though to be honest, the only one I haven't seen much of is the Plesh Brek...either in game or on the forums talking about how awesome it is. Chel Grett, Sarr Theln, Corvette, and Luxury Cruiser all have folks out there that picture them as their ship of choice.
The Samsar is probably the most common ship I see flying around as well.
So I'd say there's a shortage of ships at higher levels unless you want to fork out 3000Z's per ship.
The reward ships from these events i've always looked upon as a taster of what else is out there. They are a good fun and free way to try out some alternative playstyles and see if you might find something new to try.
Heck I got the Dyson freebie ship and was so impressed with a combo of sci + tac that I went and bought a Vesta to take advantage of it. And the Samsar has made me enjoy a cruiser for the first time in years. And the Sar Theln carrier is one of the best multi-faction ship's I've seen for a while considering it's free.
The freebie ships are not going to be top of the line but they can be pretty close if you know how to use them. Still plenty of Samsars kicking about despite the CBC's being superior. Still plenty of Sar Thelns around too.
The real reason they have made this change is because they want their metrics to show people logging on during the whole event and the only way to get that is to have a new currency each time and make the ships super-unique to that event.
Clearly they feel people "hoarding" currency from previous events is a no-no despite the fact you had to earn it somewhere in the first place.
They want you to play the game how they think it should be played...all other ways will be nerfed or removed.
What?
This is not about Cryptic wanting us to have fewer ships. This is about Cryptic forcing us to grind all future events to pad their metrics instead of allowing us to stockpile rewards so we won't have to grind as hard in future.
The people at Cryptic don't see it this way. They think that this will lead to new players never being able to catch up, so they want to start fresh and create a system where all players will be on equal footing. And the fun thing with "equal footing" in an MMO is that it inherently f*cks over newer players more than it f*cks over older players.
I have literally seen it all now.
You guys are seriously talented in your ability to find literally anything to cry and moan about.
Being so ridiculously angry at anything and everything is just as dumb and as blinded as accepting anything the developers do...
Very simple reason for that: free starship trait. At least I used the ship for that reason ONLY on all my characters.
And returned to my beloved chel grett (or whatever other ships) after that.
If the trait on the next free T6 ship is any good, I'll be leveling that ship too and switch back to my previous ship.
But seriously, that there are too many free ships around and that devs want to reduce that number to boost sales is simply an interpretation of a single sentence in a Q&A that referred to something completely different. In other words: BS.
I think it's a little bit simpler.
I do not think that the "retired" event ships stand to hurt their actual ship sales. Their current ship sales are Tier 6 ships, most of the event ships are still TIer 5. Upgradeable perhaps, but mechanically definitely no longer top-of-the-line.
If event ships get retired, it means people have to acquire them during the time they are on. If they want them all, it means coming back once, twice or three times a year (dependent on how many such events exist) for several days.
Allowing people to get old ships means they could afford to lapse a year. Allowing people to "pre-grind" in one year does so, too.
A lot with Delta Rising (even before, actually, like he Crafting system) is about to add incentives to come back to the game. Every day, every year, every event.
Yeah, it sucks if you want to have a particular event ship on an alt you started later. But people with altits is not Cryptic's main concern here, and they'll probably live through it - they already spend so much time, effort and money in the game that they are likely also emotionally invested and are not so easy to scare away.
Maybe it doesn't work for everyone, but there is very little that they could do (and be financially useful to them) that will work for everyone.
I don't think they are likely to cut into ship sales. You don't see people flying the event ships that much. Not even the latest T6 ones.
Letting people slot all the ship projects absolutely would increase participation. Though, not as much as it could because old players have that pesky discount. If I was in charge, I would've axed the discount instead...all those Recruits in need of ships would've guaranteed Risa to be full all summer.
But, what if they're "retiring" the Corvette & Cruiser so they can release "new" ones at T6, thus saving all the work creating a reward ship? Maybe they spent all their ship design budget on the flood of C-Store packs and are looking to cut corners by re-hashing the old ships with minor stat tweaks?
Heck if you have 10 alts and spent one year running them all through the event dailies for 25 days each you'd amass so many pearls or whatever you've barely need to play the following event for several years, other than the odd run to "top-up" your stockpiles.
I reckon they underestimated how much the discount would effect the amount of use their events get so they are trying to level things off...but as usual they mess it up.
FT5U Breen Chel Grett Warship (Destroyer)
4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci
X, X, X, X
X, X
X, X
X, X, X
U
4/4 Weapons, 1.0 Shield Mod, 13 Turn
FT5U Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider
5 Tac - 3 Eng - 3 Sci
X, X, X, X
U, U, U
U, U
U, U
U
4/2 Weapons, 0.88 Shield Mod, 19 Turn
FT6 Breen Sarr Theln Carrier
4 Tac - 3 Eng - 4 Sci
X, X, X
I, I
X, X, X, X
X, X
U, U
3/3 Weapons, 1.2 Shield Mod, 7 Turn, 2 Hangars
FT5U Risian Corvette
4 Tac - 4 Eng - 3 Sci
X, X, X, X
X, X
X, X, X
X, X
U
4/3 Weapons, 0.9 Shield Mod, 21 Turn
FT5U Risian Luxury Cruiser
4 Tac - 5 Eng - 2 Sci
X, X, X
X, X, X, X
X
X, X
U, U
4/4 Weapons, 1.1 Shield Mod, 10 Turn
Like I said, the Plesh Brek was the only one I didn't really see folks going "oooh" over. But they were all Fleet T5 boats and the Sarr Theln was Fleet T6...
...unlike what we saw with:
Bortas/Odyssey which were 9 console T5s as a preview for the FT5 10 console Bortasqu'/Odyssey C-Store ships.
Kamarag/Ambassador which were 9 console T5s which became available as FT5 10 console Fleet variants (no discount, single toon unlock) with the K'Maj/Yamaguchi.
Obelisk Carrier which was a 9 console T5 as a preview for the FT5 10 console Advanced Obelisk Carrier from the Lobi Store.
Dyson Science Destroyers which were 9 console T5s as a preview for the FT5 10 console Advanced Science Destroyer C-Store ships.
Where they changed things up for the 5th Anniversary with Samsar.
FT6 Kobali Samsar Cruiser
3 Tac - 5 Eng - 3 Sci
X, X
X, X, X, X
C, C, C
X, X, X
U
4/4 Weapons, 1.15 Shield Mod, 7 Turn
Though unlike the DSDs which became available in the Lobi Store quickly (folks wanting to "complete" the ADSDs) for 600 Lobi so folks could grab the Core/Deflector, the Samsar hasn't appeared with a way for folks to get the Regenerative Integrity Field console (part of the 4pc Command Platforms set with the Command Battlecruisers) nor the Emergency Response Starship Trait.
Well, the Breen ships are a special case since they are canon(esque) ships from the shows. When people like to play Breen, which they can't otherwise, they at least go for the ships. The Risian ships, the Samsar, the Dyson ships - that's all random spaceframes that don't really have any appeal aside from if you happen to somehow dig how they look.
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I think cryptic have been pretty generous cutting down on what you need to do to get event ships for the characters you have and removing the ability to get these ships for future characters or new players is understandable to me, in fact I was pretty surprised when they offered the feature in the first place.
players will just have to get used to the fact that you must get these event ships when they are available or miss out.
you only need to do the maximum number of 25 runs with one character and then once for each other character that you want the ship for so there is no reason you should not be able to get these for all the characters you have.
the only thing I would say is I hope they keep the ability to trade in any future extra tokens like they are with the pearls, I enjoy doing the tasks and it would be cool to be able to trade unneeded tokens for different prizes.
top of my list would be something like they do with the mirror and CC events and give us the chance to trade any unneeded tokens for dilithium, that would be sweet.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I always wonder at those posts what people mean with competetive. Most free ships you get have no problem topping 20k dps with decent gear, far more you need for pretty much any queue in this game. Sure, they wont do records, but on the other hand 99% of the playersbase wont to records, and I guess 70% are still trying to figure out why missions fail and how to do 10k...
But to call the free ships vanity items... boy, thats just way off target.
But we all know that they will come back with small changes in the skin and as T6, just to have the grind going. Not to mention, the risa escort was pretty much the first pilot ship ingame (well, technically the JHAS was as turny, but the Risa corvet just goes weeeeeeeeeeeh), and I fathom its T6-variant will get that spezialisation.
And let us not get too hung-up on the Dilithium Exchange rate. The difference between 250 and 200 is 8 cents a day for the average player. I really do not believe too many people are crying themselves to sleep over losing 8 cents today.
I would disagree with that, I reported a bug that the devs were unaware of, got a reply and the bug was fixed very quickly.
I will agree there are bugs that need fixing but there will always be bugs in any game.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
that's true, I have enough Q pics to last about 4 years so I can see this is correct but the only alternative to changing the tokens is reducing the discount and that would cause outrage from a greater number of players then this has.
the ideal solution for me would be to offer alternative rewards once the main prize has been gained, this just leads me back to the comment on my previous posting to give us the ability to trade extra tokens for dilithium, this would stop players hording and would give players a reason to play the event ship mission as much as possible right up to the end of the event.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Removing past event ships though people might wanna grind for them? : The dumbest idea ive ever seen in all my years of gaming both on home console and online gaming.
Adding ship Emojis : ....
Ladies and gentlemen the jumping of the shark has now commenced on STO
that's a change of tune to what you said before >
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
besides which how do you know I did not report the bug "on a off month" or for that matter before I was LTS in my FTP days.
you make a lot of assumptions don't you.
I have never had any difficulty reporting bugs before LTS or after, they don't always get fixed quickly and some not at all but that's life.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Guess that was a bug that benefited players. They are rather fast fixing that, if too many players use it. Guess the 3pc hazari was just underused and thus could be taken lightly.
to the best of my knowledge it was likely a bug that had only affected me and wasn't a bug you would likely see very often, that's why like I said the devs were unaware of it.
I accidentally lost an item that I should have been able to claim back for free but as a rom character I could not claim it though my fed and kdf could have but of course it was bound to character.
the item was not paid for but an item I received for free during an event.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
What I *do* have a problem with, however, is having run out of ships slots -- from being a loyal customer, you know -- and now no longer having a way to add new ships, ever, or be forced to discharge an old one.
Tl;dr: there's not too many free ships in this game, but too few ships slots to purchase.
Now on the PR and good business sense on the retirement of ships if they are not coming back as T6. How about go with this is the last year of being able to get the Cruiser, and Corvette along with the changing of the currency. That would be the fairest way to do it. This would get people to log in for one last chance to get the ship, Cryptic get people running the daily for the new currency and keeping with the f***ing metrics and players can get the ship.
Of course they aren'tT6 ships, they were never mean to be! Some of them are though very good T5/U ships.
I really wanted the RLC for my Rom Delta Recruit, because frankly, it's the only decent "assault cruiser" available to Roms. It's actually a darn good ship to fly. The closet alternative is the Mirror Mogai, but that doesn't get a -U option.
Retiring the the event currency each year? Fine, i can live with that.
Retiring the old event ships? NO WAY!
If not in the Zen/Lobi store, how about the GPL store? Few people bother playing Dabo to get GPL because there really isn't that much that's worth buying, but what if there were retired event ships for sale there? The Dabo table at Drozana would be packed to the rafters!
T6 and T5U are.
I used to buy the three pack (back when the set consoles sucked and weren't worth the slot) when I wanted just one of the ships because eventually I'd probably have a captain for the other two.
Now that ships expire, purchases for the possible future make much less sense.
The upgrade only works on one variant not the entire class.
That's why I don't buy ships any more.
I don't have confidence in them being around long enough to be worth it.
Plus now I have to make sure I like not only the look of the ship but the spec of the ship, usually site unseen.