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cromarty1
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so I get banned because pwe cryptics only response is we are not going to fix your account after we break it during an update. then to make matters worse thay go as far as accuse me of doing something that thay are not responsible for. here in amarica thare are two corts I may not sue but no user agreement has power in criminal cort. so trendy im not crazy you are for thinking the end user agreement can protect you so you can be involved in internet scam witch here in amarica internet means across state lines automaticly making it a capital crime.
for those that have been robbed after investing in this game the place to go is ic3.com to make crime report then bbb.com to report bad practice that violates customer sales responsibility that in amarica is a crime.
for those that have been robbed after investing in this game the place to go is ic3.com to make crime report then bbb.com to report bad practice that violates customer sales responsibility that in amarica is a crime.
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What the hell happened anyway ?
No really, what happened ?
Did you get jacked in an alley by a ferengi ?
well its like this it does not seem pwe/cryptic can handle monetization im at a point that I have more than a handful of broken items from putting them in upgrade window not even putting anything to actually upgrading this bug was back in 8/2014 now. only response was we are not responsible for what you do in game. basicly saying we deny we broke your items with a broken update then a few weeks later thay fix the bug but TRIBBLE me over again because I had already replaced the broken items and those items disappeared completely. and I ask for some refund or fix to what I lost with the fact that I had invested in dilithium and other in game things. thare only answer was we are not responsible for what you do in game. and I get outraged as I did not have a clue what im to do.
then I get suckered again with a lifetime subscription sale. I thought ok a subscription should work its a statement that im not some freeloader and maby my my bug reports and lost/broken items tickets will actually get looked at instead of just getting what looks like a auto response message from a game support system that don't seem to give a dam about issues players have. but I was wrong in two ways delta rising scaled up the game currency costs more than 10 fold making the lifetime subscription completely nonsense and getting still treated like durt by the developers that don't seem to care about the buggy state of the game or the players paying customer or not im at this point expecting a ship I deposited cash just to buy it to be removed from my account with a response as dumb as the first anytime
all I can say at this point is if pwe/cryptic cant handle selling stuff then maby thay should stop before thay get stoped because what thay are doing and what thay have dune is a crime in the good united states of **** you if you are not going to conduct bissiness properly and provide no sales customer service and let some machine give the same answer to every ticket requesting some kind of help that never happens effectively crimanally robbing me after investing in the game
And based on the OP's posts I can only say that maybe Amarica needs less corts and more skools.
I wish you luck, though.
you should read the ToS before you go any further, you have the right to have the issue looked at again; "26.7 If you feel you have been unfairly warned or disciplined, please contact us with a full detailed explanation."
However though this is their service, you cant claim to own anything from it, the account is rented out for your use, but everything in it is property of PWE; "14.1 Subject to these Terms and any applicable EULA, we grant to you, for your non-commercial and personal use only, a limited, non-exclusive, revocable, non-transferable and non-sublicensable license to access and use the Service and the Proprietary Materials."
further the point you are a guest here like anyone else, and you should pay attention to this; "4.12 Please note that regardless of any notice, we reserve the right to discontinue the Service or to terminate or suspend your Account at any time in our sole discretion, for any reason, or for no reason."
please dont post your issues here on this forum, because we cant help you and it solves nothing having it here either. you can chose to ask them to look at it again as is your right, however i am not unmindful to whatever the actions are that lead upto your punishment, i mean for all i know, you were doing something very questionable that got you hit. whatever the case or whatever you do, its not my concern or is it anyone elses on this forum.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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Trying to decipher this:
1. You ran into the "upgrading glitch". Instead of waiting for them to repair / replace, you went out and re-acquired potentially unique gear, and when the originals disintegrated (uniqueness issues), you're requesting a "refund / recompense" of the time spent either initially or re-acquiring said item(s)? Either that or a pile of items?
Since "in game activities" don't produce receipts, how do you intend to "prove" to Cryptic that you had these items in the first place? Burden of proof is on complainer, not defendant. Otherwise, they can (almost have to) assume that you committed an in-game act that led to the deletion of these items and there is a long standing policy of "no replacement of accidentally deleted items" / you never had the items in the first place / etc. etc.
2. Am I reading this right? You then proceeded to spend $299 (cause it was on sale) on an LTS "mainly so your complaints carry the weight of "subscriber" instead of "player""? And when that didn't happen (burden of proof thing again) and the game's cost structure was rebalanced (affecting everyone, so this would "technically" be a class action suit of all STO players vs. Cryptic, not just you vs them) making the "benefits" of the LTS somehow "heavily diminished". Ahem, that 500 zen stipend you get monthly? It's still worth $5 US. It's not the LTS's fault that ships now cost $30+ instead of $25+. It's not the LTS's fault that the Exchanges (EC and Dil) have experience inflation due to greed of the sellers, overabundance of supply (primary EC and Dil sink, aka the Fleet system, is more or less maxxed out by many) causing all the earnings that used to disappear there to flood the market. Your inventory slots, bank slots, extra characters, unique costume parts, etc. etc. still carry the exact same weight / abilities that they did since their release.
3. You then proceed to call these "unrelated" sequences crimes. Again, a crime requires a burden of proof. Though in this case, instead of just attempting to prove you had certain items then lost them through no action of your own and require recompense, you have to prove that there was actual malicious intent to defraud the player through the sequence of events.
On point #2, you do realize that there is no difference in the concept of "subscriber" whether your subscription is of the LTS variety or the standard monthly variety, right? Therefore, the choice to become a subscriber at the LTS level was yours, not mandated by anyone or "advertised" as somehow being of a level even higher than a monthly payer. Also, as far as Customer Service is concerned, all being a subscriber does is places your ticket above the majority of the F2P tickets, it does not suddenly mean that Cryptic's policies evaporate and they will correct issues without the burden of proof being met.
IF a court were to find that there is sufficient advertisement or internal practice that the CS policies are stratified on different levels, unless they find a significant difference between "monthly gold" and "LTS gold", the most you would probably receive in recompense for this is $15. Only if the "LTS gold" is treated differently than a monthly gold (some spiel about since we got the money out of the LTSer we don't have to support them as well as some guy lining our pockets monthly) could you envision receiving the whole $299.
Back to point #1, to be a "crime", you not only have to prove all the stuff to get your items back in the first place, you'd have to prove that the bug was introduced "with malicious intent to defraud players via paying for the same item twice".
And your other crime? That of the "massive devaluation of the benefits of the LTS due to Delta Rising's cost structure"? What part of the LTS are you aiming for? All the cosmetic stuff is equally cosmetic and restricted to those who made the appropriate investments prior to DR. The "services" such as inventory slots, etc? Same thing. The ships? Power creep is not illegal - so the fact that they're not "endgame" anymore is not going to win you points in court. The stipend? 500 zen is still $5 US. It's not the LTS's fault that ships now cost $30+ instead of $25+.
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
its statements like that which show you have no idea off the difference between whats legal and whats lawful..
kiddie.
On 1, I got 810 Marks.
I was robbed!
I'm glad this thread was created!
edit: Er, not that I read it. But I was robbed! And I don't accept it! Grrrrrrrr.
...complaining about the exact same stuff?
for what reason have you been banned ?
these user agreements do not aply to criminal acts and meaningless in a criminal cort the eula is tp to wipe thare dirty bum with as the jail takes its good old time because crimanals have no rights and at that point the eula can also be chalanged as part of a scam and if the eula is part of a crime it cant be legal effectively voided and I did check with my local criminal cort a legal eula has no power over criminal cort. nothing can make robbery legal crimanally
and I am informing others that get robbed investing in this game whare to report internet crimes and whare to report bad practices and abuse of the eula
so again for internet crime reporting go to ic3.gov fill out the form for bad practice and abuse of things like eula go to bbb.com
My character Tsin'xing
only bad choice I made was hoping to play star trek and not deal with the worst crooked practices today seen in video game software companies. its sad my favorite theme ruined by crooks or maby the higher ups need to pop in an fire the whole development team before thay get lugged off to prison
I cant sue them but that cort has nothing to do with criminal cort I checked with my criminal cort and its true what im saying is the eula does not and cannot make commiting sales fraud crime legal the criminal cort judge said wrong cort nothing in criminal law can be bypassed restricted or stop the criminal judge before he gets started
so if you don't know thare is a internet crime department in amarica and you can make a criminal report at ic3.com and you are not violating the eula contract and no legally binding contract can say you cant go to the police actually that's a crime it self you cant I cant and pwe or cryptic cant tell anyone thay cant go to the police that can be considered a criminal threat a chargable crime
I'm calling it in to Askray.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
If bugs in games were a criminal offence, every video game developer everywhere would be in jail until the sun goes cold.
You pay your subscription, you get access to the game, under the terms of the EULA that you read and agree to of your own free will. Cryptic have taken your money and given you what they said it would pay for. They have not committed any sort of crime here. You can accuse them - and many do - of buggy code and lamentable customer service, but these things are not crimes. (Certainly not, as you so cheerfully put it, "capital" crimes. A capital crime is one for which capital punishment - the death penalty - is a possible punishment. Seriously, the dev team at Cryptic do not deserve execution.)
You can go to the police if you like - it's the right of any free citizen in a democracy. Since the police have, y'know, actual crimes to deal with, it would be better if you didn't waste your time and theirs.
.... I realise, of course, that I'm wasting my time here, and that I might as well be talking to a brick wall. But I nurture this faint, forlorn hope that someday, if I keep saying things like this, somebody might listen. I'm an optimist at heart.
I seriously have no fraking clue what this is supposed to mean. English please?
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Dibs on the T Shirt concession!
As for his claims of "fraud", this merely shows that he knows criminal law about as well as he knows grammar and spelling - that is to say, not to any significant degree.
You're right. EULA does not harbor against Criminal Activities.
However, in criminal court, the plaintiff (aka complainer) needs to be able to prove that a criminal act occurred.
Therefore, I ask again as I did in my earlier dissertation that might have been TL-DRed cause I forgot to put one...
Advise us on what evidence you may have that will prove, beyond a reasonable doubt (the standard for criminal activity) that Cryptic introduced the bug that started this whole process with malicious intent to perpetrate the aforementioned criminal activity.
And then prove, via receipts or other tangible trails, that you owned the item(s) in question to begin with, did not dispose of them intentionally or inadvertently, and further receipts to prove the cost of replacement for those items in the first place.
Thank you for your information...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
actually these terms state clearly to you as you accepted them, meaning you acknowledge that cryptic and pwe can change what they like when they like and you are allowed a limited account for the software they have provided to you to use. the terms state clearly if you bothered to read any of it that cryptic and pwe may make mistakes but they cant be held accountible to that effect because you agreed to those terms as a customer, meaning your criminal case is as dead as your attempts to twist the intent of what i wrote into your own agenda.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
And that's why I play STO rather than EVE.
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