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jaguarskx
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In the Priority One Podcast 219 - Gorn & Things from April 27th, 2015 there is a Q&A section where Captain Geko answers some questions from the community about STO. The link to the podcast is provided below:
http://priorityonepodcast.com/po219/
The discussion about KDF (and Romulan) science vessels starts at about 1:18:50 into the podcast were a question by Michael Legor (sorry if spelled wrong), a.k.a. First Dragon, was read to Captain Geko by one of the three hosts of the show which basically asked if there was going to be a T6 KDF science vessel.
Captain Geko basically started to answer the question by stating that there are a lot of new ship which are currently being worked on. A T6 Bird of Prey is currently a priority for the KDF so that is good news for any KDF players who are looking for a T6 BoP like myself.
Geko goes further to state that he believes there is a T6 science vessel being worked on for the Romulans which he referred to as the "Harkonis" (spelled phonetically), but there are no immediate plans to offer the KDF a science vessel because:
*** Please note, my "transcribing-fu" is below kindergarten level ***
http://priorityonepodcast.com/po219/
The discussion about KDF (and Romulan) science vessels starts at about 1:18:50 into the podcast were a question by Michael Legor (sorry if spelled wrong), a.k.a. First Dragon, was read to Captain Geko by one of the three hosts of the show which basically asked if there was going to be a T6 KDF science vessel.
Captain Geko basically started to answer the question by stating that there are a lot of new ship which are currently being worked on. A T6 Bird of Prey is currently a priority for the KDF so that is good news for any KDF players who are looking for a T6 BoP like myself.
Geko goes further to state that he believes there is a T6 science vessel being worked on for the Romulans which he referred to as the "Harkonis" (spelled phonetically), but there are no immediate plans to offer the KDF a science vessel because:
*** Please note, my "transcribing-fu" is below kindergarten level ***
... nobody buys them. They just don't sell. I mean, yes somebody buys them, so it's hyperbole to say nobody buys them. But the demand is so low that we even talked about doing a Kick Starter for it. So because it's... or you know it may actually not be on Kick Starter. It would be... we make our own kind of Kick Start thing on our website or something.
But for ships... for, for oddball ships it... by oddball ships I mean low demand ships to see if you really want this... ummm... we need to reach a certain threshold because I mean, I am not kidding, whenever we release science type vessels on the Klingon side we sell them in the dozens. So it's, it's really bad. It's just the amount of time and effort and money it takes to make them it's just... it's a loss for us. They are just not popular.
And so when we can do them on the cheap... you know, we will try and do them. But you know like, like I could see us just taking the Varanus and not changing the model and giving it an existing... uhhh... and then, and if we did a science console on the Fed side and science trait to just get the same thing so basically it be free to do. Then we basically can do it, but I just don't see us putting a lot of effort into it because... umm... I mean it's, it's really in the dozens that we sell and it's... wow, this is just not worth it.
I mean there is still a demand for battle cruisers and, and escorts on the Klingon side... not nearly as much as on the Federation side which is why you always see more... we always make more Federation ships. But the science demand is... There is more of a demand for science on the Romulan side and I think it's purely [interview sounds edited at this point]... a role playing type of thing, right. It's just, it makes sense for I think players will... are happy to be Romulan scientists. But when they are a Klingon they a warrior, they just are. Umm... it's just what most people tend to play.
If you get one it's probably going to be a like I said a re-skinned, if it even get the skin, Varanus with existing traits and consoles. I won't sugar coat it and lie say, "yeah, we'll think about working on it". It's not, it's not, it's not likely. So umm... and I understand there are people who are going to want them. There are people out there who want different things, but yeah... it's just not, it's just not practical for us.
But we do have lots of new ships planned for all three factions 'cuz like I said, we want to refill our coffers of Tier 6 ships and choices for everybody. So probably the last Tier 6 ship we make to, to achieve that goal of refilling our coffers will probably be a Klingon science vessel of some sort. But all the other stuff has to come first.
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Very, very true. But in his eyes, he'd be making a ship for potentially only 3.36%-10% (Depends on how many non-sci KDF captains would use it) of the players which is why they're just ignoring the pleas for KDF science ships.
He does have a point though.
If it takes a cryptic kickstarter type event where those interested can state their intention to buy such a ship (based on concept art and slot layout - known in advance up front)... then why not? Afterall, it is not like the PWE web team are otherwise busy making sure the ARC websites are compatible with Chrome now is it?
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
Well let's face it: Geko likes to hear himself say 'no' to stuff he does not like.
We had the same thing with the T5 Ambassador which he "could not give" us but that ended up in the game anyway.:rolleyes:
*EDIT: thanks for the transcript, jaguarskx
But for RP purposes, as an Orion I don't want to fly what is essentially a Gorn ship. And my personal aesthetics forbid me from buying any of those Orion ships because I don't like the way they look... and they aren't Sci vessels.
This is why I like the qib. It's not a Sci ship, but it does have Intel powers and the battle cloak and it handles decently.
I will most likely buy a T6 BoP, though, and fully expect that's what she'll be flying eventually. The only thing that I would buy sooner... is a KDF Klingon "science" vessel.
Which we're apparently not getting, so... Hoping for an Intel/Pilot T6 BoP with EBC. Or, that whenever they do create a T6 Gorn SV it has a Starship Trait that's Sci-focused and usable on another ship.
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That seems unlikely. The ship looks a lot more like it's a Raptor.
Female Orion in a BoP. Now THAT'S something I'd like to see.
Female Ferasans in BoPs have more Mmmmmbop than Female Orions. :P
Though wait, I'm not sure that's a good thing.
edit: The way he talked about the reskin then not reskin and then only if there was the Fed first to do the copypasta with it finally turning into a probably when all the other T6 boats were done...yeah, it turned into a /facepalm_from_beyond_the_grave....
Yeah... I wish they would get the notion that it's not that people won't buy KDF science vessels. It's that the ones they design aren't for most people. Like most people don't want a Gorn vessel or school bus in outer space.
i disagree. the idea of stats upgraded and and slapped into a ship is fine but i do NOT want another one of those Gorn ships. its the Klingon Empire we need the Klingon ships before any of the lesser species are even given a second look.
I used to buy all the ships to show KDF support. but i have stopped because all they keep pushing is ship i will never fly. I have my Battle Cruiser and its going to take one hell of a ship to get me out of it. that QIB and mothra which i did buy just didnt do it for me. the Mogh which i did buy did NOT do it for me. those command battle cruisers i did not buy because from looking skins, stats and seating i knew they were NOT going to do it for me.Even the Supposedly Iconic negvar i didn't and wont buy simply for the stats and seating.
what thye need is a BoP ( Brel-Norgh-Kvort) 3 pack true universal seating on all 3 with slightly different layouts as to the quantity of seating stations and console slots and all of them with sensor scan. Only one with Enhanced battle cloak the other 2 just battle cloak. and then they kill most of the Birds flying around out there with a single shotgun blast.
and if they showed me the skin planned and the stats prior to actually doing more work on it id pay them right now even if i had to wait 6 freaking months for it.
i have spent enough, hoping for better treatment. I am willing to spend more, ONLY if I am offered a Product that i want. No more of this show support BS that has gotten us nothing except more damn battle cruisers and copy paste fed ships that are then Gimped.
They don't even want to go do that copy & paste effort. A friendly reminder about the Fleet Guramba that they never implemented despite the ship model, animations for it already ingame. Despite it already existing at T5. Yet they never implemented the Fleet Guramba.
This thread? This is old news. We've danced this very same, exact dance about KDF ships and how Cryptic doesn't like to develop them. Change the date of the OP's post and you would be hard pressed to differentiate this thread from all the Cryptic/KDF ships related threads that have come up since STO launched in 2010. Geko's always had hate of the KDF. Is this news to the veterans in the playerbase? Because it isn't to me. His **** has been the same for years now.
I will throw a fact out there though. In the timeframe after the release of the Delta Rising Pack, Cryptic has been releasing faction ship on a 1-for-1 basis for each of the factions. Compared to how they were before, especially with the DR Pack, this is way better and what should have been done since the game launched.
Anyways, if we're not getting a T6 Science, we better be getting something damn good in compensation. Unlike the Feds, the KDF & Roms have gaping wide T6 ship genre holes. It would be nice if the KDF & Roms got some extra ship releases soon to close the gap and even things out in ship options.
If I was a hardcore Rom player, I would be damn worried right about now.
Maybe, but a Vesta-port using the Nausicaan Siphon Frigate sounds simple enough. It's already an NPC ship, with a hangar, that uses Energy Siphon Drones... it would be a perfect fit as an offensive Science Ship or drain boat, especially if they added a set bonus with the Plasmonic Leech and Theta Radiantion Vents. Plus, they could justify production with the potential increase in sales of Master Keys to Feds and Roms trying to get both consoles from their respective lock boxes for said set bonus (rather than just the Plasmonic Leech, as is the case currently). It'd have to be Tier 6 to sell well these days, though... give it a Piloting-flavored version of Reciprocity and sales would be damn near guaranteed.
It's not just the Gorn thing, though... it's what is being offered. The Varanus is a copy of a DSSV with diminished capabilities, the Dyson Science Destroyers didn't have a "Klingon" skin for around a year (and I will never purchase them anyway due to key set components being locked behind a Lobi wall), and none of the KDF or Romulan Science ships got a buff when the Federation C-Store Science lineup was brought more in line with current gameplay demands back on October 14, 2014 (the same time the Federation gained access to a Raider). If players were given competitive designs, they might be more inclined to purchase those designs.
I'm with drunk on this one. If there was an endgame version of the Phalanx I'd have bought it ages ago just 'cos it looks cool. Dacoit too for that matter.
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Thinking about it, since they'd both be small and nimble compared to other T6 ships of their type, they might make good non-escorty pilot ships.
We still have tons of ships from lower tiers that cannot be played at endgame.
- Tier 2 Qaw'Dun BOP has no endgame version. It is also the basis of the Elite BOPs for the Vo'Quv carrier
- Tier 3 Qorgh/SuQub Raptor
- Tier 2 K'Tanco Battlecruiser
- Tier 3 Vandal Destroyer
- Tier 3 Phalanx Science Vessel
- Tier 4 Draguas Support Vessel
- Tier 3 Dacoit FDC
- Tier 4 Pach/Puyjaq Raptor
That is a very large chunk of the total KDF ship lineup across every tier that isn't playable at endgame. The KDF has fewer ships total than the Feds when you put all the tiers together. This is especially pronounced in endgame and has been a sore point on these boards since the game launched.
In contrast, these are the ships that the Feds cannot play at all but NPCs use: Typhoon and Jupiter.
In addition, these are the lower tiered Fed ships that cannot be played at endgame:
- Tier 1 Light Cruiser (Miranda, Centaur, etc)
- Tier 1 & 2 Cruiser (TOS Connie, Connie Refit, Exeter, etc)
- Tier 1 NX-class
- Tier 1 Oberth
And that's it. With the larger selection the Feds have at all tiers, only those few aren't playable at endgame. Then when you look at the fewer total KDF ships and how many of those aren't playable at endgame, in addition to the NPC ships that can't be used, it gets laughable.
The best part? It's always been like this.
I have to admit, I have always wanted one of those little Gorn Frigates (Vishap?). :cool:
Still, Cryptic's art guys have told us that those old NPC ship models fall well short of the quality required for player ships; so including those would be work.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
I say they need to get their head out of their arses and actually come to the player base here and ask what we'd like a science vessel to be. There are already a few solid suggestions floating around, so a lot of the work stats wise is already done for them, they wouldn't need to do much planning, just implementation and art and coding/rigging work.
Apart from the currently available T6 Raptor that I have yet to get all I want is a science ship for the KDF. I think I will refuse to buy any more Battlecruisers if they think that is all we want. :rolleyes:
And that's why he needs to be fired. He is as bad as Dan Dthal was, putting their personal preferences before the game and business.
:mad:
I buy KDF, not that Federation garbage.
I listened to that podcast, and was ....not happy with his "lol Klingons R Warriors" thing. I play Gorn, Orions, Ferasans, and aliens. Only a few of them are tactical. The bulk of them are science, with the remainder being engineer. I like carriers and science ships. But I will not play Federation. I can't stand playing federation, and hate being shoehorned into to be able to fly the type of ship I want. As a result I am forced to use the 'alien' ships to get what I need.
There is a demand for battlecruisers? Uh....we have them, in spades. Escorts, we have escorts? Since when? We have Raptors, BoPs, Battlecruisers, Cruisers, flight deck cruisers, two carriers, and oh...a whole science ship (the DSD doesn't count here).
People buy the KDF battlecruisers because they
1) have good performance
2) look pretty nice
3) lack of other ships (We got a ship??!! Oh joy!) :rolleyes:
It's not like we have a wide array of science ships, or anything that is not a battlecruiser for that matter.
The Feds are the ones pining over battlecruisers and fedscorts.
Now give me a T6 Nausican Destroyer please. My Ferasans like their space fish.
I understand that historically Klingons were not big into Sci but they do have some technology. If the homeworld can have farmers, surely the KDF can fly a single pure Sci ship!:eek:
takeone of the 3 gorn ships, give it a dauntless, vesta,or scryer like station setup, reciprocity trait, and put it in the fleet store. that would actually be worth buying. hell, you could probably even sell that in the c store, it would actually be worth buying, even if its just a copy paste job with no new assets.
they give the kdf stat clones at best, garbage at worse and then it doesn't sell. so the KDF doesn't buy any ships, so we just cant make anymore! LMFAO geko.
I know it took a very long time but he did focus us on finally getting our negh'var and listening to show T6 bop is the priority. I am just hoping the cloak ambush returns between capabilities from bird of prey to warbird are considered since you can almost have an entire minute of cloak ambush going but yet the Klingon bird of preys do not have anything similar to benefit.
So in the end I think based off what Geko is saying its battle cruisers and raiders is what the KDF wants so they just need to give a heavier science side to those to those that will sell and still retain what the KDF players buy. I am very interested though with what they have done with T6 ships so far what they would do with a bird of prey
They could do a pack of ships for the Gorn, Orion, Nausicaan ships that emphasize certain styles. Like for example:
T6 Gorn Ship Pack
- The "Science" ships of the KDF
Balaur Dreadnought (ENG-SCI Cruiser)
Varanus Science (SCI heavy vessel)
Phalanx Science (SCI-ENG)
Draguas Science (SCI-TAC)
Tuatara Cruiser (Guardian style layout)
Vishap Frigate (TAC-SCI Escort)
Naga Fighter (C-Store Shuttle)
- Gorn Bridge & Interior with the Pack
T6 Orion Ship Pack
- Considering a large chunk of KDF hangar units are Orion in origin, they bring the Flight Decks of the KDF force.
Warbarge Dreadnought (2 hangar, 7 weapon slot Carrier; All around layout similar to Vo'Quv)
Slavemaster Dreadnought (1 hangar FDC; ENG-TAC layout)
Marauder FDC (improved version of T5 C-Store Marauder FDC)
Brigand Cruiser (Non-FDC; TAC Cruiser; NPC version didn't spew hangar units)
Corsair FDC (improved version of T5 Fleet variant)
Dacoit FDC (1 hangar "Vesta" style of ship)
Orion Corvette (1 hangar "Akira" style of Escort)
Orion Interceptor (C-Store, fighter style player shuttle; FAST)
Orion Slaver (C-Store Shuttle)
Marauder Shuttle (C-Store; the shuttle from Marauder FDC as a player shuttle; Think "Yellowstone" type)
- Orion Bridge & Interior with the Pack
T6 Nausicaan Ship Pack
- Previously released Nausicaan ships in KDF were TAC oriented. This pack continues that alignment. They are all basically "Escorts" of some variety.
Ravager Dreadnought (very slow, 8 weapon slot Escort like Scimitar)
Talon Battleship (TAC/Escort with LtCdr ENG & SCI, 1 hangar with unique "Stinger Fighter." Sluggish ship)
Guramba Siege Destroyer (TAC-ENG Destroyer with trademark Javelin)
Scourge (TAC-SCI Escort)
Vandal (TAC-ENG Destroyer; No gimmicks but handling superior to the other Nausicaan Escorts)
Syphon Frigate (TAC-SCI Escort with 1 hangar; Worse handling than the Scourge for balance)
Stinger Fighter (C-Store; fighter from Talon Battleship)
- Nausicaan Bridge & Interior
And yes, I know, wishful thinking.
But some people have rubbished the DSD. I'm curious at why. I mean on paper it should be a decent science vessel. So what's wrong with it? Aesthetics blow at least IMO, the ship doesn't look that good but that's a problem with all the DSDs. So why don't people like it? (some have said in this thread that it 'shouldn't count', which is what I'm responding to)
The real "reason" KDF Science ships "don't sell" is because you and the Dev Team -
The Gorn ships do not even come close to the various capabilities offered by the weakest of the Z Store ships available to the Federation. Which is why people have been asking for a proper KDF Science ship for years now.
One of the things which really needs to change around this game is you being the public face of the Dev Team.
It has gone to your head. You sound more and more like a spoiled rock star every time I listen to one of these.
I really doubt you can hear any of us over the sound of how magnificent you are, so I am wondering why I even bothered.
Some of the things which have always griped my TRIBBLE about this "industry's" press coverage is how the "interviewers" shy away from asking the tough questions and treat people like Geko as if they are some sort of god. Most of the various gaming news outlets are little more than cheerleaders and sycophants.
I swear the man has forgotten that they shoehorned like 4 other civilizations into the KDF factions each with their own ship styles.
So no, its not just Klingons wanting to be warriors.