Just a thought. But how hard would it be to copy a B'rel and be able to use BoP parts on it and slot it with Vesta stats and one Vesta console? And call that ship a T6?
Think "Fleet Guramba" or maybe even "Fleet Marauder FDC" and you'll find your answers there.
Your chances of one day getting a T6 kdf sci ship are about as good as us rommies getting a t6 carrier. I'll believe it when it is made, much like when the KDF used to be a half faction back in the day.
Whereas the metrics for Cryptic have to be if it is worth the effort for a possible reward for any addition for STO they do gimp their own efforts & gimp us as players when such purposeful things are done for example:
The Cross Faction T6 Cruiser Bundle. Awesome as a concept, but lousy execution. Brilliant marketing idea to have a product to sell that would serve most of the customer base & would be useful for most of the customers. But then, for KDFs, to gimp their version of it statistically for no reason affects the packages appeal by one third. Well, well, we lowered the stats compared to Feds because you know KDFs have cloak. Really? Roms have better cloak & didn't get the gimping in the stats so please explain the reasoning.
Roms have the Command Hybrid on their Tac seat due to having a different layout; which completely renders the ship useless if it was to use any Command ability. In addition, the Singularity penalty to power levels is generally considered by Cryptic a sufficient nerf.
Just a thought. But how hard would it be to copy a B'rel and be able to use BoP parts on it and slot it with Vesta stats and one Vesta console? And call that ship a T6?
You get into FX issues...weapon hardpoints...etc, etc, etc. You'd be taking a 4/2 model and trying to do 3/3 with it...which is likely more work than Cryptic is willing to do.
Gets into looking at ships with 3/3 weapons, since they'll have the firing ports for a Sci Vessel.
You get into FX issues...weapon hardpoints...etc, etc, etc. You'd be taking a 4/2 model and trying to do 3/3 with it...which is likely more work than Cryptic is willing to do.
More work than Cryptic is willing to do? Well I don't know the format Cryptic uses for it's models, nor how their coding system works either. However as per hardpoints on a model, a simple re-rig of a model is all it would take.
I have made and rigged models for a few games for the past decade and I am doing a diploma in game design to become a game developer myself. I can tell you re-rigging a model isn't nearly as hard as some believe.
So if Cryptic is unwilling to spend the time to re-rig a model that already exists in-game to give players more variety, then they must really have their priorities arsed about. Put a couple of guys on the job for a single week maybe two (to add in the coding and balance) and we would see a massive influx of new (old models) ships.
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most of this entire thread overlooked the kick starter idea geko considered..
a kick starter is where people fund the project to basically show there is interest people want it and will pay you to make it these can range from small things added to games to entire games full movies ect its used by alot of games good and bad to fantastic user generated and paid for content it also allows some room for example in sto for this ship, which ships to take looks from to base it off its boff seating console layout it would be a more of a majority wins you wouldnt get to choose everything perfectly but be able to choose where to point the designers towards they could do this or not everyone has different ideas but you arent exactly going to pay toward something thats utterly junk like those silly dyson ships
cost wise it would require real zen donations/cash on the sto site more likely arc as it could probably support kick starters and may add them in general for the future to allow other games to use arc
if you guys really show enough interest and willing to take the bill you could get a new kdf not a clone of fed science vessel
If Geko comes on and puts up a kick starter for a decent, and it has to be decent and not TRIBBLE and woefully dysfunctional, ship for KDF Science, I will buy a pre-purchase $30 T6 ship. I would hope there would also be a Fleet variant also. If no ship comes out of it, he can even keep the $30 because there's nothing in the store on that side left to spend $30 on.
Yeah...not in this lifetime or another (if you believe in that) - I wouldn't trust them to run a kickstarter for one, and the fact its even a bloody suggestion is despicable beyond belief that they need a kickstarter to do more with the plans they already drew up but certain devs hatred, sorry, 'metrics' have stymmied any further development
Not to mention the potential thereafter that the kickstarter idea could be then used to justify mass overproduction of items for one faction (ripping them off too as they'll have to cough up before getting their new shiney) and once more holding kdf players to ransom like the mogh was ("Oh, we don't know if there will be more kdf ships if the mogh does not sell well...")
What the hell do you mean they only sell dozens of each KDF science ship...? What KDF science ships? The Varanus. And the Kar'fi, which you can't even bull**** me and tell me wasn't popular in it's hayday. That's about it. They haven't ****ing made any in three years. The dyson bull**** does not count.
that's what bugs me about the games direction and has for a while. to paraphrase 'we won't make stuff just to flesh out the game and give more choices, we'll make stuff that sells'
not always true but it is true more often than not especially with ships. the most irritating part is one something is made it's always there and you've just added more options to the game, so what if it sells slow? so what if you don't even charge for it and just add it too the choices for ships?
you've improved the game, gave more choices for as long as the game lasts...so short sighted to just do everything based on $$$ when any successful mmo is about more things to do and more ways to do them. cash is required and there are clever ways to do that besides brute force BUY THIS TO ADVANCE. too much of the easy way. not enough of a longer view.
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What the hell do you mean they only sell dozens of each KDF science ship...? What KDF science ships? The Varanus. And the Kar'fi, which you can't even bull**** me and tell me wasn't popular in it's hayday. That's about it. They haven't ****ing made any in three years. The dyson bull**** does not count.
My thoughts exactly. I can tell like the rest of us you're frustrated and a little angry. Hell after reading a thread about a fan proposed Orion science ship I went to look at jumping back into my Fleet Corsair, went to see if I could edit it before buying an upgrade token and they still haven't fixed it. I still have to buy the c-store Captain version to change a pattern on the hull. Well you lost a sale there Cryptic due to your laziness.
that's what bugs me about the games direction and has for a while. to paraphrase 'we won't make stuff just to flesh out the game and give more choices, we'll make stuff that sells'
not always true but it is true more often than not especially with ships. the most irritating part is one something is made it's always there and you've just added more options to the game, so what if it sells slow? so what if you don't even charge for it and just add it too the choices for ships?
you've improved the game, gave more choices for as long as the game lasts...so short sighted to just do everything based on $$$ when any successful mmo is about more things to do and more ways to do them. cash is required and there are clever ways to do that besides brute force BUY THIS TO ADVANCE. too much of the easy way. not enough of a longer view.
Totally agree, Cryptic really has no passion for this game, or for Trek, it's 100% solely about the cold hard cash. Sure they have to make money, no issues there, but when absolutely everything is about cash and nothing else it goes to show how many on the dev team/management have lost their way.
To be honest the only thing I am excited about in this game is the new uniform revamp for our faction, the last thing I was excited about was the new Klingon unique missions that were released with LOR. I couldn't care less about another rep, nor revamp crafting or any of that other bull. It's the story that Trek has always been about, and this game fails alot in that regard.
Look at DR, 10 missions that are cross faction. That is all they could give us for an expansion? Sure they had to design a new sector (ie the Delta Quadrant) but seriously that's all they could do? ANd it's not like it was 10 missions per faction that were unique and true to the faction it was 10 Federation missions that the Romulans and Klingons are forced to play to get to some of the skill required to get to lvl 60
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If you don't want to invest in a brand new KDF Science Ship then at the very least release a Fleet T5 of the existing ships, like the Draguas or Phalanx. Heck, you could make a Fleet Dacoit a sci-ish ship with a hangar, like the Vesta.
But noooooo, we won't even get those, because Geko doesn't care about T5. He doesn't care about anything that won't make him money. It's all about T6 now. FED and lockbox T6, that is.
Pitty I can't express my feelings towards Geko on this board... Let's just say I'm unsatisfied with his remarks and decissions...
If you don't want to invest in a brand new KDF Science Ship then at the very least release a Fleet T5 of the existing ships, like the Draguas or Phalanx. Heck, you could make a Fleet Dacoit a sci-ish ship with a hangar, like the Vesta.
But noooooo, we won't even get those, because Geko doesn't care about T5. He doesn't care about anything that won't make him money. It's all about T6 now. FED and lockbox T6, that is.
Pitty I can't express my feelings towards Geko on this board... Let's just say I'm unsatisfied with his remarks and decissions...
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You love DR and it is the best expansion ever!
At the least they should just push out T5's of those race specific ones like orion and nausicaan and gorn and whatever else. That along with xp grindfests pretty much is killing the immersion of what the KDF is offering a player. That being said this post will most likely be viewed as flaming hot and be burnt to a crisp by those forum heralds.
"We want a ship that isn't yet another battlecruiser!"
"It's clear that KDF players want more battlecruisers."
I swear, Geko must have Dukat-level revisionism going on in his head, or just outright delusion. By no means have we been trying to 'trick' anyone, last I checked, what ships Klingon players want are pretty cut and dry:
T6 BoP
T6 Raptor
T6 Sci ship
T6 non-Klingon ships
Not exactly hard to figure out without either revising it in your head, or flat-out ignore it.
I think the issue here is that you are seeing things from a different perspective than Geko and you apparently lack the ability to recognize the holes in your own understanding and access to data, because of this you assume your perspective is the only valid perspective and those who disagree with you are wrong, lying, delusional, or all of the above. Don't worry, you're not alone.
You're confusing something-it's not about money. He uses budget as an excuse, but the real problem is 'vision'-a viable KDF does not fit Al Rivera's 'vision' of what STO should be.
that's what bugs me about the games direction and has for a while. to paraphrase 'we won't make stuff just to flesh out the game and give more choices, we'll make stuff that sells'(...)
That's however Free to Play. This is the essence of what a Free to Play game is. A Pay to Play game (that is sustainable) can allow itself to flesh stuff out and not TRIBBLE out shinies all the time.
Reading this is really discouraging. Discouraging, because Klingons will never be anything else than Orcs for STO and we will probbly not see the "minor" people expanded, ever. And that includes the KDF as well as Federation species - at least the Tellarites, Andorians and Vulcans would deserve some depth and own social zones.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
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Haven't found that thread until today and I have to say,
that I expected such an answer from Gekko but am still disappointed.
Currently I have my fem Orion Sci Captain in a Brel BoP because of the universal boff slots, and I am really looking forward to a T6 version, but I do wish to see a true T6 Sci Vessel in klingon style for the klingons, and if it looks good enough, I'd probably buy it on a discount.
You can not get everything you want. T6 BoP ( I hope it will be possible to use older ship skins ) and the Romulan science ship are the two best options.
BoP with universal (and probably pilot) seatings is a good choice for someone, who enjoy science abilities.
I don't know overall metrics, but in my fleet (House of Duras) with 350 toons are circa 10 scientists.
Yes , there are some scientist in KDF, like Korath(VOY), Kurak (TNG) and Antaak (ENT), but we can not expect any exploration ship in their fleet. Anyway, Korath - KDF science nr.1- has B'rel.
* The latest batch of T6 KDF ships included a Klinzhai Command Cruiser SCI variant. But without a Commander Sci BOff slot which is ridiculous for a "science" ship, imho. (See: Varanus.)
* Previously, there's the Dyson Science Destroyers (with 3 variants), the Varanus... and the lockbox Korath Temporal Science Vessel which is seemingly impossible to get from the Temporal Lockboxes or via the Exchange.
Cryptic seems rooted in "Klingons are NOT science-oriented! They're warriors! Canon emphasized that!"
Baloney. ENT showed KDF scientists. In fact, in TOS's "Day of the Dove", Kang's wife, Mara, was his Science Officer.
Y'know what, Cryptic? Go ahead: Launch a Kickstarter-like campaign. Be realistic about the number of active KDF players in STO. Challenge 10% of them to pre-purchase a T6 KDF Intel, Hybrid or Command seat SCI ship. Make it the most wickedly cool design since the Mat'Ha and Mogh.
Create an additional incentive to hit certain funding goals to release the Fleet T6 version at the same time as the regular release.
Give it the T6 FED Dauntless ship tier V ship traits (nano healing).
Tempt fate and re-release the Korath as a limited time T5-U (or upgraded T6) add-on ship for this crowdfunded effort. Same with the Rozenhko temporal shuttle.
What say you?
You want new sources of revenue, then offer what your players AKA customersreally want.
Meh, just gimme a T6 SCI stats package for the existing Kamarag, or a z-store Korath. No real work on the devs part needed.
No wonder that after such "ingenious" Ship like the BortasQ (the *only* c-store purchase i still regret, even after 3? years) and other inept designs the desire for KDF ships ebbed away.
Lets sum up:
2 outdated escorts in the store (B'rel, and Garumba [no Fleet version!!!])
2 underperforming cruisers (Orion Marauder and the BortasQ in all if it's gimped versions!)
plus 1 Carrier (KarFi)
and a (cool looking, but half useless) Recon Ship that went on backup power supply
are hardly the Stuff that screams "Shut up and take my money!".
It started to get interesting with the mentioned Garumba (sadly that Ship looked soo cool, but was totally underwhelming [statwise] so i ignored it completely) and then with the Mogh.
The Mogh was the first design after a loooong time that wasn't insta-obsolescent!
And then we had nothing for a good while
(well, except for the ridiculous lobi-zen highway robbery-like dyson combination)
Give us real Ships, "competitive" (to fed c-store releases) and we will buy!
No Science TopTier Ship (or whatever it is called, recon, scout... doesn't matter) for one (or at the moment:two!) faction is a shame, since it basicially excludes one of the 3 Basic Professions for that Faction from higher-level-gameplay for the players who want to fly a Sci Ship.
They could use T5-U, but the don't have access to a single science starship trait.
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
If metrics are what counts, then here is some personal context:
I rolled a fed sci and have spent $0 on Fleet Pathfinder for a Delta ALT toon and I am slowly working toward spending a further $0 by using EC to buy 5 fleet mods for a Fleet Scryer.
In contrast, I would already have both, having spent real money on ships like those for my Rom MAIN....... She flies a R'Mor and a Adpated Cruiser and those are great. But that is just not the point.
I didn't like the Dyson Destroyer, but that is only an opinion and I will admit I was glad it got made. But I would add that if that and others don't/didn't sell well enough, maybe just maybe, it was because people didn't like that ship, rather than Sci Ships in general being unpopular with non-feds. Perhaps a questionnaire, or reading posts, or whatever to find out what non-feds want from a sci ship might help.
I don't know. Like I said. I give up.
"So my fun is wrong?"
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
The clear answer where I've seen posts like a cloned vesta is the answer but like not the answer too.
So my 2 cents are that a new class of bop created that uses powers like the vesta but in a Klingon fashion where we could have a bop that covers the area of science and vesta's aux cannons. So to some point I can agree science ships for the KDF are not in high demand but if say they made bybrids that are true battle cruiser science ships like say maybe some gorn ones and then some science bops and raiders of orion and nausicaan design I am pretty sure those hybrids would sell and also cover raiders, battle cruisers, and science in a way if they are hybrids you could potentially play them the way you want and cover the gap where we do not have these kinds of ships.
If metrics are what counts, then here is some personal context:
I rolled a fed sci and have spent $0 on Fleet Pathfinder for a Delta ALT toon and I am slowly working toward spending a further $0 by using EC to buy 5 fleet mods for a Fleet Scryer.
In contrast, I would already have both, having spent real money on ships like those for my Rom MAIN....... She flies a R'Mor and a Adpated Cruiser and those are great. But that is just not the point.
I didn't like the Dyson Destroyer, but that is only an opinion and I will admit I was glad it got made. But I would add that if that and others don't/didn't sell well enough, maybe just maybe, it was because people didn't like that ship, rather than Sci Ships in general being unpopular with non-feds. Perhaps a questionnaire, or reading posts, or whatever to find out what non-feds want from a sci ship might help.
I don't know. Like I said. I give up.
I never really needed a SCI ship till the rep system rework and all the ship traits started flowing into the game. I just can't believe Geko is holding on to historic metrics when the game has changed so much. TBH I looked seriously at the DSD's when I cashed out my dilith holdings last December but couldn't bring myself to buy the DSD's with the freebie 4th ships console being the set completion piece, and another 600 lobi for the set completion piece. It's just not very good even with the complete set, and even less so with an incomplete console set.
Extremely inane. This kind of attitude "They don't sell so we aren't going to make any more" is still the same old Circular Reasoning they've been using forever. Even Tacofangs admitted it is Circular Reasoning. Circular Reasoning is a FALLACY. In this case, it's also self-fulfilling prophecy. If you don't make it, nobody is going to buy it. If you do make it, and make it well, you might actually be suprised by the results.
You can not get everything you want. T6 BoP ( I hope it will be possible to use older ship skins ) and the Romulan science ship are the two best options.
BoP with universal (and probably pilot) seatings is a good choice for someone, who enjoy science abilities.
I don't know overall metrics, but in my fleet (House of Duras) with 350 toons are circa 10 scientists.
Yes , there are some scientist in KDF, like Korath(VOY), Kurak (TNG) and Antaak (ENT), but we can not expect any exploration ship in their fleet. Anyway, Korath - KDF science nr.1- has B'rel.
Actually there should be a few...it's just that Klingons wouldn't do the same kind of exploration Starfleet does. The Klingons would "explore" their borders to find out whether there'y a worthy target out there, what kind of resources they have that can be exploited and how dangereous they are. They'd also use these ships to keep an eye on the movements of potential enemy fleets (especially useful when your enemy has cloaking tech). And these ships would help in combat by covering the electronic warfare aspect of things.
Real militaries have these kinds of ships and aircraft, and they're not meant for peaceful exploration of animals and trees either yet they're essential to a nation's security. Why would the Klingon Defense Force not have something like this?
Nevermind that roddenbery modelled them on the Mongolian empire as ruled by Genghis Khan, which in its time was one of the most advanced civilisations on the planet. Prime sponsors of the Silk Road, so much so that when the empire fell the trade started drying up also, they had an efficient and fast mailing system that America modelled the pony express off. They regularly adapted tactics and even units of their enemies and at their peak the empire was one of the largest in Europe/Asia.
Honestly introducing the whole samurai element with next gen most of the focus was on the warrior aspect of the Klingons rather than the empire as a whole. That is a very unfortunate thing.
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Think "Fleet Guramba" or maybe even "Fleet Marauder FDC" and you'll find your answers there.
You get into FX issues...weapon hardpoints...etc, etc, etc. You'd be taking a 4/2 model and trying to do 3/3 with it...which is likely more work than Cryptic is willing to do.
Gets into looking at ships with 3/3 weapons, since they'll have the firing ports for a Sci Vessel.
Dacoit
Draguas
Varanus
Vo'Quv
More work than Cryptic is willing to do? Well I don't know the format Cryptic uses for it's models, nor how their coding system works either. However as per hardpoints on a model, a simple re-rig of a model is all it would take.
I have made and rigged models for a few games for the past decade and I am doing a diploma in game design to become a game developer myself. I can tell you re-rigging a model isn't nearly as hard as some believe.
So if Cryptic is unwilling to spend the time to re-rig a model that already exists in-game to give players more variety, then they must really have their priorities arsed about. Put a couple of guys on the job for a single week maybe two (to add in the coding and balance) and we would see a massive influx of new (old models) ships.
If Geko comes on and puts up a kick starter for a decent, and it has to be decent and not TRIBBLE and woefully dysfunctional, ship for KDF Science, I will buy a pre-purchase $30 T6 ship. I would hope there would also be a Fleet variant also. If no ship comes out of it, he can even keep the $30 because there's nothing in the store on that side left to spend $30 on.
Yeah...not in this lifetime or another (if you believe in that) - I wouldn't trust them to run a kickstarter for one, and the fact its even a bloody suggestion is despicable beyond belief that they need a kickstarter to do more with the plans they already drew up but certain devs hatred, sorry, 'metrics' have stymmied any further development
Not to mention the potential thereafter that the kickstarter idea could be then used to justify mass overproduction of items for one faction (ripping them off too as they'll have to cough up before getting their new shiney) and once more holding kdf players to ransom like the mogh was ("Oh, we don't know if there will be more kdf ships if the mogh does not sell well...")
Nuts to Gekos kickstarter idea
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not always true but it is true more often than not especially with ships. the most irritating part is one something is made it's always there and you've just added more options to the game, so what if it sells slow? so what if you don't even charge for it and just add it too the choices for ships?
you've improved the game, gave more choices for as long as the game lasts...so short sighted to just do everything based on $$$ when any successful mmo is about more things to do and more ways to do them. cash is required and there are clever ways to do that besides brute force BUY THIS TO ADVANCE. too much of the easy way. not enough of a longer view.
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My thoughts exactly. I can tell like the rest of us you're frustrated and a little angry. Hell after reading a thread about a fan proposed Orion science ship I went to look at jumping back into my Fleet Corsair, went to see if I could edit it before buying an upgrade token and they still haven't fixed it. I still have to buy the c-store Captain version to change a pattern on the hull. Well you lost a sale there Cryptic due to your laziness.
Totally agree, Cryptic really has no passion for this game, or for Trek, it's 100% solely about the cold hard cash. Sure they have to make money, no issues there, but when absolutely everything is about cash and nothing else it goes to show how many on the dev team/management have lost their way.
To be honest the only thing I am excited about in this game is the new uniform revamp for our faction, the last thing I was excited about was the new Klingon unique missions that were released with LOR. I couldn't care less about another rep, nor revamp crafting or any of that other bull. It's the story that Trek has always been about, and this game fails alot in that regard.
Look at DR, 10 missions that are cross faction. That is all they could give us for an expansion? Sure they had to design a new sector (ie the Delta Quadrant) but seriously that's all they could do? ANd it's not like it was 10 missions per faction that were unique and true to the faction it was 10 Federation missions that the Romulans and Klingons are forced to play to get to some of the skill required to get to lvl 60
If you don't want to invest in a brand new KDF Science Ship then at the very least release a Fleet T5 of the existing ships, like the Draguas or Phalanx. Heck, you could make a Fleet Dacoit a sci-ish ship with a hangar, like the Vesta.
But noooooo, we won't even get those, because Geko doesn't care about T5. He doesn't care about anything that won't make him money. It's all about T6 now. FED and lockbox T6, that is.
Pitty I can't express my feelings towards Geko on this board... Let's just say I'm unsatisfied with his remarks and decissions...
*waves hand like a jedi*
You love DR and it is the best expansion ever!
At the least they should just push out T5's of those race specific ones like orion and nausicaan and gorn and whatever else. That along with xp grindfests pretty much is killing the immersion of what the KDF is offering a player. That being said this post will most likely be viewed as flaming hot and be burnt to a crisp by those forum heralds.
I think the issue here is that you are seeing things from a different perspective than Geko and you apparently lack the ability to recognize the holes in your own understanding and access to data, because of this you assume your perspective is the only valid perspective and those who disagree with you are wrong, lying, delusional, or all of the above. Don't worry, you're not alone.
That's however Free to Play. This is the essence of what a Free to Play game is. A Pay to Play game (that is sustainable) can allow itself to flesh stuff out and not TRIBBLE out shinies all the time.
Reading this is really discouraging. Discouraging, because Klingons will never be anything else than Orcs for STO and we will probbly not see the "minor" people expanded, ever. And that includes the KDF as well as Federation species - at least the Tellarites, Andorians and Vulcans would deserve some depth and own social zones.
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that I expected such an answer from Gekko but am still disappointed.
Currently I have my fem Orion Sci Captain in a Brel BoP because of the universal boff slots, and I am really looking forward to a T6 version, but I do wish to see a true T6 Sci Vessel in klingon style for the klingons, and if it looks good enough, I'd probably buy it on a discount.
BoP with universal (and probably pilot) seatings is a good choice for someone, who enjoy science abilities.
I don't know overall metrics, but in my fleet (House of Duras) with 350 toons are circa 10 scientists.
Yes , there are some scientist in KDF, like Korath(VOY), Kurak (TNG) and Antaak (ENT), but we can not expect any exploration ship in their fleet. Anyway, Korath - KDF science nr.1- has B'rel.
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Meh, just gimme a T6 SCI stats package for the existing Kamarag, or a z-store Korath. No real work on the devs part needed.
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Lets sum up:
2 outdated escorts in the store (B'rel, and Garumba [no Fleet version!!!])
2 underperforming cruisers (Orion Marauder and the BortasQ in all if it's gimped versions!)
plus 1 Carrier (KarFi)
and a (cool looking, but half useless) Recon Ship that went on backup power supply
are hardly the Stuff that screams "Shut up and take my money!".
It started to get interesting with the mentioned Garumba (sadly that Ship looked soo cool, but was totally underwhelming [statwise] so i ignored it completely) and then with the Mogh.
The Mogh was the first design after a loooong time that wasn't insta-obsolescent!
And then we had nothing for a good while
(well, except for the ridiculous lobi-zen highway robbery-like dyson combination)
Give us real Ships, "competitive" (to fed c-store releases) and we will buy!
No Science TopTier Ship (or whatever it is called, recon, scout... doesn't matter) for one (or at the moment:two!) faction is a shame, since it basicially excludes one of the 3 Basic Professions for that Faction from higher-level-gameplay for the players who want to fly a Sci Ship.
They could use T5-U, but the don't have access to a single science starship trait.
But....
If metrics are what counts, then here is some personal context:
I rolled a fed sci and have spent $0 on Fleet Pathfinder for a Delta ALT toon and I am slowly working toward spending a further $0 by using EC to buy 5 fleet mods for a Fleet Scryer.
In contrast, I would already have both, having spent real money on ships like those for my Rom MAIN....... She flies a R'Mor and a Adpated Cruiser and those are great. But that is just not the point.
I didn't like the Dyson Destroyer, but that is only an opinion and I will admit I was glad it got made. But I would add that if that and others don't/didn't sell well enough, maybe just maybe, it was because people didn't like that ship, rather than Sci Ships in general being unpopular with non-feds. Perhaps a questionnaire, or reading posts, or whatever to find out what non-feds want from a sci ship might help.
I don't know. Like I said. I give up.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
So my 2 cents are that a new class of bop created that uses powers like the vesta but in a Klingon fashion where we could have a bop that covers the area of science and vesta's aux cannons. So to some point I can agree science ships for the KDF are not in high demand but if say they made bybrids that are true battle cruiser science ships like say maybe some gorn ones and then some science bops and raiders of orion and nausicaan design I am pretty sure those hybrids would sell and also cover raiders, battle cruisers, and science in a way if they are hybrids you could potentially play them the way you want and cover the gap where we do not have these kinds of ships.
I never really needed a SCI ship till the rep system rework and all the ship traits started flowing into the game. I just can't believe Geko is holding on to historic metrics when the game has changed so much. TBH I looked seriously at the DSD's when I cashed out my dilith holdings last December but couldn't bring myself to buy the DSD's with the freebie 4th ships console being the set completion piece, and another 600 lobi for the set completion piece. It's just not very good even with the complete set, and even less so with an incomplete console set.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Actually there should be a few...it's just that Klingons wouldn't do the same kind of exploration Starfleet does. The Klingons would "explore" their borders to find out whether there'y a worthy target out there, what kind of resources they have that can be exploited and how dangereous they are. They'd also use these ships to keep an eye on the movements of potential enemy fleets (especially useful when your enemy has cloaking tech). And these ships would help in combat by covering the electronic warfare aspect of things.
Real militaries have these kinds of ships and aircraft, and they're not meant for peaceful exploration of animals and trees either yet they're essential to a nation's security. Why would the Klingon Defense Force not have something like this?
Nevermind that roddenbery modelled them on the Mongolian empire as ruled by Genghis Khan, which in its time was one of the most advanced civilisations on the planet. Prime sponsors of the Silk Road, so much so that when the empire fell the trade started drying up also, they had an efficient and fast mailing system that America modelled the pony express off. They regularly adapted tactics and even units of their enemies and at their peak the empire was one of the largest in Europe/Asia.
Honestly introducing the whole samurai element with next gen most of the focus was on the warrior aspect of the Klingons rather than the empire as a whole. That is a very unfortunate thing.