I hear what those people are saying, but if Cryptic decide to continue the "Iconic" lineup, I don't do see Nova or Prometheus fitting that category. It should be obvious to any fan that not all canon ships are iconic.
That said, T6 Nova and Prometheus: Yes please!
But Defiant first.
Cryptic said all Canon ships are planned to have Tier 6 equivalents, at least from what I heard
As for the Iconic line-up I'd say the only Iconic ships are the Constitution, Galaxy, Defiant, Intrepid and Sovereign class Starship and since a Tier 6 Constitution is never going to happen that leaves only two ships the Defiant and Sovereign, which will likely be followed by the Akira, Prometheus, Nebula, Nova, Galaxy-X,
There already is a T6 Defiant, the Phantom Class. Get used to it.
LOL, I had long accepted the Phantom for what it is. I was one of the early adopters of ALL the Intel ships :cool:
I was one of the guys early on in these boards to say the Phantom was a T6 Defiant in all but name, fixing all the old issues the ship had at T5. The only thing missing was the skin because it took care of everything else.
- Built in cloak? Check
- Bare bones ENG? Taken cared of
- Maintain Defiant-style handling? Still there
- Maintain Defiant-style firepower? Same weapons format, 5 TAC, heavy TAC/Intel combo possible
IMHO, Cryptic missed a big chance by not putting the Defiant skin as an alternative on the Phantom. Putting any canon faction skin on a ship is a money maker.
LOL, I had long accepted the Phantom for what it is. I was one of the early adopters of ALL the Intel ships :cool:
I was one of the guys early on in these boards to say the Phantom was a T6 Defiant in all but name, fixing all the old issues the ship had at T5. The only thing missing was the skin because it took care of everything else.
- Built in cloak? Check
- Bare bones ENG? Taken cared of
- Maintain Defiant-style handling? Still there
- Maintain Defiant-style firepower? Same weapons format, 5 TAC, heavy TAC/Intel combo possible
IMHO, Cryptic missed a big chance by not putting the Defiant skin as an alternative on the Phantom. Putting any canon faction skin on a ship is a money maker.
I don't think any of the Canon revamped ships are meant to be specialized, giving the Tier 6 Defiant a Commander Tactical/Intel Hybrid seat would be unfair to the other revamped ships in my opinion.
I hear what those people are saying, but if Cryptic decide to continue the "Iconic" lineup, I don't do see Nova or Prometheus fitting that category. It should be obvious to any fan that not all canon ships are iconic.
That said, T6 Nova and Prometheus: Yes please!
But Defiant first.
Nova would probably be a Sci ship so no competition for the Defiant. But now that we have the Phantom and the Pilot ships which all fit tin the "similar to the Defiant" role i would love to see a Escort-Carrier or a MVAM Escort T6= Akira/Armitage or Prometheus
I don't think any of the Canon revamped ships are meant to be specialized, giving the Tier 6 Defiant a Commander Tactical/Intel Hybrid seat would be unfair to the other revamped ships in my opinion.
Yeah, I came to believe that as time has gone on and more ships came out Post-Profits Rising. None of the canon ships are Full Specialization Ships and this became the established truth as time passed. But still... if the Phantom had the Defiant skins, even me, a Non-Defiant Fanboy, could see that greatly helping Phantom sales. Like I said, the faction canon ships hold a lot of weight in the playerbase. Those canon ships were half the reason why we watched Star Trek.
What onscreen, faction canon ships are left to convert to T6? Sovereign Akira Prometheus Nebula Galaxy-X Saber (oh yeah, people forget about this ship) Centaur (yes, it's onscreen canon ship and it's tied to Miranda hull in STO) Nova Olympic (yep, canon also) Andorian Escorts D'kyr Constitution (yeah, I said it) Vor'Cha D-7/K'T'Inga
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T'Liss/T'Varo Romulan D-7 (if we're putting the effort into a KDF T6 D-7, may as well give the Roms the D-7 access also. It is canon that they used these things)
Yeah, I came to believe that as time has gone on and more ships came out Post-Profits Rising. None of the canon ships are Full Specialization Ships and this became the established truth as time passed. But still... if the Phantom had the Defiant skins, even me, a Non-Defiant Fanboy, could see that greatly helping Phantom sales. Like I said, the faction canon ships hold a lot of weight in the playerbase. Those canon ships were half the reason why we watched Star Trek.
What onscreen, faction canon ships are left to convert to T6? Sovereign Akira Prometheus Nebula Galaxy-X Saber (oh yeah, people forget about this ship) Centaur (yes, it's onscreen canon ship and it's tied to Miranda hull in STO) Nova Olympic (yep, canon also) Andorian Escorts D'kyr Constitution (yeah, I said it) Vor'Cha D-7/K'T'Inga
B'Rel Mogai
T'Liss/T'Varo Romulan D-7 (if we're putting the effort into a KDF T6 D-7, may as well give the Roms the D-7 access also. It is canon that they used these things)
Those Canon ships are one of the biggest reason people play STO at all. :rolleyes:
You list is pretty accurate but I don't think that the Olympic and Centaur classes will be getting Tier 6 Equivalents they don't seem to be significant enough, the Olympic was meant to be a Hospital ship if I'm not mistaken and the Centaur is just a skin for the light cruiser, but I might be wrong who says the Federation won't become so desperate that they begin outfitting Medical ships like warships.
As for the Constitution, that is a Pandora's box of trouble.
Those Canon ships are one of the biggest reason people play STO at all. :rolleyes:
You list is pretty accurate but I don't think that the Olympic and Centaur classes will be getting Tier 6 Equivalents they don't seem to be significant enough, the Olympic was meant to be a Hospital ship if I'm not mistaken and the Centaur is just a skin for the light cruiser, but I might be wrong who says the Federation won't become so desperate that they begin outfitting Medical ships like warships.
As for the Constitution, that is a Pandora's box of trouble.
The Centaur and Olympic are TNG-era ships, so they have a very valid reason for seeing it through. The Olympic was shown in a "alternate future" type of deal the same way the Galaxy-X was shown, and the X is in the game. So technically, it's almost as new as the modern STO-era ships.
As far as the Light Cruiser goes, which the Centaur is attached, it should have long been included in the game already for endgame use. No navy of respectable power IRL and even in Star Trek is fully composed of the biggest, baddest, most expensive ships. Even Starfleet cannot afford to have such vast numbers of Galaxy, Sovereign-class vessels. Smaller ships play a key role and actually make up the bulk of any fleet.
The other thing is that though the Light Cruiser has the very old Miranda-class skin, it has right now 2 far more modern skins. Centaur is TNG-era. Not that old. The ShiKahr-class skin is an STO-era, modern design.
The Centaur and Olympic are TNG-era ships, so they have a very valid reason for seeing it through. The Olympic was shown in a "alternate future" type of deal the same way the Galaxy-X was shown, and the X is in the game. So technically, it's almost as new as the modern STO-era ships.
As far as the Light Cruiser goes, which the Centaur is attached, it should have long been included in the game already for endgame use. No navy of respectable power IRL and even in Star Trek is fully composed of the biggest, baddest, most expensive ships. Even Starfleet cannot afford to have such vast numbers of Galaxy, Sovereign-class vessels. Smaller ships play a key role and actually make up the bulk of any fleet.
The other thing is that though the Light Cruiser has the very old Miranda-class skin, it has right now 2 far more modern skins. Centaur is TNG-era. Not that old. The ShiKahr-class skin is an STO-era, modern design.
That's very true but the Olympic and the Centaur are already part of the fleet they're just not full Tier 6 playable ships and the Olympic can already be upgraded to Tier 5U, I'm pretty sure that there has already been thread on an Endgame Light cruiser but it was rejected but (I'm not sure it was a while ago).
I just don't see them as being Tier 6 Candidates, but who am I to argue they might do that some time in the future but I think Cryptic needs to weigh up the cost and production of creating Tier 6 ships against the popularity and I don't think that they would find a Tier 6 Olympic and Centaur worthwhile even if they are TNG/PostTNG era ships, but that's just my opinion I'm not looking to argue about it. :P
What onscreen, faction canon ships are left to convert to T6? Sovereign Akira Prometheus Nebula Galaxy-X Saber (oh yeah, people forget about this ship) Centaur (yes, it's onscreen canon ship and it's tied to Miranda hull in STO) Nova Olympic (yep, canon also) Andorian Escorts D'kyr Constitution (yeah, I said it)
Steamrunner and Norway classes haven't gotten any love previously, the former is only available through the Steam pack IIRC and the latter is only sort of available as an alternate skin for the Akira. Which is pretty lame.
Vor'Cha D-7/K'T'Inga
B'Rel
You missed a couple of Enterprise era Klingon ships, like the Somraw and the 22nd century BoP.
Yeah, I came to believe that as time has gone on and more ships came out Post-Profits Rising. None of the canon ships are Full Specialization Ships and this became the established truth as time passed. But still... if the Phantom had the Defiant skins, even me, a Non-Defiant Fanboy, could see that greatly helping Phantom sales. Like I said, the faction canon ships hold a lot of weight in the playerbase. Those canon ships were half the reason why we watched Star Trek.
What onscreen, faction canon ships are left to convert to T6? Sovereign Akira Prometheus Nebula Galaxy-X Saber (oh yeah, people forget about this ship) Centaur (yes, it's onscreen canon ship and it's tied to Miranda hull in STO) Nova Olympic (yep, canon also) Andorian Escorts D'kyr Constitution (yeah, I said it) Vor'Cha D-7/K'T'Inga
B'Rel Mogai
T'Liss/T'Varo Romulan D-7 (if we're putting the effort into a KDF T6 D-7, may as well give the Roms the D-7 access also. It is canon that they used these things)
As much as I love em, the andorian escorts arent canon. Theyre a brand new, 25th century andorian design completely distinct from the 22nd century andorian ship classes seen on screen.
That said, T6 andorian ship would be awesome. The T5U Charal is incredible IMO, but T6 would be even better.
On a random note, whatever happened to the broadsider ship we were promised all those years ago? There was a rumor it was gonna be an andorian battlecruiser.
Also, T6 Gal dreadnought. Heck. Yeah.
Release a D'Dex and Neg dreadnought variant with freaking huge space guns and Id by the free pack in a heartbeat (provided they all had at least a LTC tac)
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while the intel ships offered a very close equivalent and were play wise what most players want out of a t6 defiant, its the look and abilities that many players want. The defiant skin with a multi piece gear set along with a 5th weapon slot up front has been a huge desire of many if not most defiant enthusiasts playing the game. gearing the ship with a set of the cloak, quad cannons and a new console, something like either abalative armor or a rapid fire quantum torpedo launcher, would make a lot of players very happy, and make a lot of us spend some more zen on the ship.
Then just upfrade the Defiant by buying a upgrade token.It is what I may do but it won't have that movement console that the pilot escorts have.
What onscreen, faction canon ships are left to convert to T6?
Sovereign
Akira
Prometheus
Nebula
Galaxy-X
Saber (oh yeah, people forget about this ship)
Centaur (yes, it's onscreen canon ship and it's tied to Miranda hull in STO)
Nova
Olympic (yep, canon also)
Andorian Escorts
D'kyr
Constitution (yeah, I said it)
Vor'Cha
D-7/K'T'Inga
B'Rel
Mogai
T'Liss/T'Varo
Romulan D-7 (if we're putting the effort into a KDF T6 D-7, may as well give the Roms the D-7 access also. It is canon that they used these things)
What about the Miranda class and its variants.
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I included it already. The Centaur is one of the 3 models possible with the Miranda under the Light Cruiser. I'm one of those crazies that would love to fly the Miranda/Centaur/ShiKhar at endgame levels.
I think you're very very wrong. All the experience and evidence is leading me to believe that not only will there be a T6 Defiant, but it's very likely going to be pilot spec and released within the next few weeks. I'll even say i think I know the name it'll go by: Valiant.
The Connie and Miranda are a different story. In those cases, they were seen very little if any in the 'modern' series, and therefore are very likely no longer in service... and in the Connie's case the devs have said they were prohibited from doing so by the studio. No such pronouncement has ever been made regarding ships from the 'modern' era.
Also, warmaker? That list is missing Excelsior. Which was seen in the 'modern' era, so....
I think the pilot ships could well be your T6 Defiant. It would be nice if they just came out and said which ships will be going T6. For example, I have a bunch of zen waiting to see if they do a T6 Ody or Sov. If they just came out and said ships X, Y, and Z are going to be T6, I would know if I should stop waiting and buy the command cruisers. However, if they gave out this information...it would probably kill sales for their "original" ships. I think most people would prefer canon ships that were done right.
Thanks for your input guys. Glad to hear what seems to be T6 Defiant coming our way very soon. I just want to get it to complete my set. The prettiest ship in the Fleet is still the Odyssey, smooth, slick, sleek, and elegant. So seeing a T6 of that would be much appreciated.
But my go to ship for combat (and 2nd best looking ship in the Fleet imo) is the Prometheus. So a T6 version I would choose over the above two first, if given the choice. I have made a thread about viable speculation for the T6 Prometheus: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1455991
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I think the pilot ships could well be your T6 Defiant. It would be nice if they just came out and said which ships will be going T6. For example, I have a bunch of zen waiting to see if they do a T6 Ody or Sov. If they just came out and said ships X, Y, and Z are going to be T6, I would know if I should stop waiting and buy the command cruisers. However, if they gave out this information...it would probably kill sales for their "original" ships. I think most people would prefer canon ships that were done right.
The Pilot ships are as much of a Defiant as the Guardian was the Galaxy ot the Phantom be another Defiant. People always said that, but we have the precedent now that they are releasing T6 ships which are direct upgrades of the lower tier ships, they even use the exact same classification (Long Range Science Vessel, Exploration Cruiser and they will be a Tactical Escort as well).
The T6 upgraded ships, though, will not feature a commander specialization. The Pathfinder got a Lt one and the cruisers got a LTC - they have to upgrade the PAthfinder retroactively in my opinion, but well.
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And I realise that you know this, but nonetheless, speculation and rumor do have a habit of becoming mistaken for fact.
Just look at how this thread started. People saw preview pics of the Pilot Ships, even the leak said Pilot Ships, and loads of players assumed: Defiant.
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Just as a guess I doubt we'll see the Andorian's as a true T6. They're already upgradeable and I like my Sci one personally.
When the intel pack came out to me the Phantom IS a T6 defiant. Skin not withstanding. I actually thought it was cooler than the original like an updated and ugraded version should be.
On the Kling side I'm glad to see some raptor love with the pilot ships finally! CAn't wait to get the pack.
defiant/b'rel/t'varo confirmed by IQ, but i guess they will come after the avenger/mogh/mogai trio hits the market.
Not sold on the Avenger, Mogh. Mogai on the other hand interests me. It's a canon ship, a good performer, and my favorite T5 Warbird. T6 version would rock even more.
I think Defiant & Co. will come out first. Featured episode anyone? They've got Nog coming up, and Defiant/T'varo/B'rel have been out for much longer than Avenger/Mogh.
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Cryptic said all Canon ships are planned to have Tier 6 equivalents, at least from what I heard
As for the Iconic line-up I'd say the only Iconic ships are the Constitution, Galaxy, Defiant, Intrepid and Sovereign class Starship and since a Tier 6 Constitution is never going to happen that leaves only two ships the Defiant and Sovereign, which will likely be followed by the Akira, Prometheus, Nebula, Nova, Galaxy-X,
LOL, I had long accepted the Phantom for what it is. I was one of the early adopters of ALL the Intel ships :cool:
I was one of the guys early on in these boards to say the Phantom was a T6 Defiant in all but name, fixing all the old issues the ship had at T5. The only thing missing was the skin because it took care of everything else.
- Built in cloak? Check
- Bare bones ENG? Taken cared of
- Maintain Defiant-style handling? Still there
- Maintain Defiant-style firepower? Same weapons format, 5 TAC, heavy TAC/Intel combo possible
IMHO, Cryptic missed a big chance by not putting the Defiant skin as an alternative on the Phantom. Putting any canon faction skin on a ship is a money maker.
I don't think any of the Canon revamped ships are meant to be specialized, giving the Tier 6 Defiant a Commander Tactical/Intel Hybrid seat would be unfair to the other revamped ships in my opinion.
Nova would probably be a Sci ship so no competition for the Defiant. But now that we have the Phantom and the Pilot ships which all fit tin the "similar to the Defiant" role i would love to see a Escort-Carrier or a MVAM Escort T6= Akira/Armitage or Prometheus
Yeah, I came to believe that as time has gone on and more ships came out Post-Profits Rising. None of the canon ships are Full Specialization Ships and this became the established truth as time passed. But still... if the Phantom had the Defiant skins, even me, a Non-Defiant Fanboy, could see that greatly helping Phantom sales. Like I said, the faction canon ships hold a lot of weight in the playerbase. Those canon ships were half the reason why we watched Star Trek.
What onscreen, faction canon ships are left to convert to T6?
Sovereign
Akira
Prometheus
Nebula
Galaxy-X
Saber (oh yeah, people forget about this ship)
Centaur (yes, it's onscreen canon ship and it's tied to Miranda hull in STO)
Nova
Olympic (yep, canon also)
Andorian Escorts
D'kyr
Constitution (yeah, I said it)
Vor'Cha
D-7/K'T'Inga
B'Rel
Mogai
T'Liss/T'Varo
Romulan D-7 (if we're putting the effort into a KDF T6 D-7, may as well give the Roms the D-7 access also. It is canon that they used these things)
Those Canon ships are one of the biggest reason people play STO at all. :rolleyes:
You list is pretty accurate but I don't think that the Olympic and Centaur classes will be getting Tier 6 Equivalents they don't seem to be significant enough, the Olympic was meant to be a Hospital ship if I'm not mistaken and the Centaur is just a skin for the light cruiser, but I might be wrong who says the Federation won't become so desperate that they begin outfitting Medical ships like warships.
As for the Constitution, that is a Pandora's box of trouble.
The Centaur and Olympic are TNG-era ships, so they have a very valid reason for seeing it through. The Olympic was shown in a "alternate future" type of deal the same way the Galaxy-X was shown, and the X is in the game. So technically, it's almost as new as the modern STO-era ships.
As far as the Light Cruiser goes, which the Centaur is attached, it should have long been included in the game already for endgame use. No navy of respectable power IRL and even in Star Trek is fully composed of the biggest, baddest, most expensive ships. Even Starfleet cannot afford to have such vast numbers of Galaxy, Sovereign-class vessels. Smaller ships play a key role and actually make up the bulk of any fleet.
The other thing is that though the Light Cruiser has the very old Miranda-class skin, it has right now 2 far more modern skins. Centaur is TNG-era. Not that old. The ShiKahr-class skin is an STO-era, modern design.
That's very true but the Olympic and the Centaur are already part of the fleet they're just not full Tier 6 playable ships and the Olympic can already be upgraded to Tier 5U, I'm pretty sure that there has already been thread on an Endgame Light cruiser but it was rejected but (I'm not sure it was a while ago).
I just don't see them as being Tier 6 Candidates, but who am I to argue they might do that some time in the future but I think Cryptic needs to weigh up the cost and production of creating Tier 6 ships against the popularity and I don't think that they would find a Tier 6 Olympic and Centaur worthwhile even if they are TNG/PostTNG era ships, but that's just my opinion I'm not looking to argue about it. :P
You missed a couple of Enterprise era Klingon ships, like the Somraw and the 22nd century BoP.
Shouldn't the scimitar also count here?
Stop wishing for things that will never happen like T5 Const. or Miranda altho. I wished as well but it won't
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As much as I love em, the andorian escorts arent canon. Theyre a brand new, 25th century andorian design completely distinct from the 22nd century andorian ship classes seen on screen.
That said, T6 andorian ship would be awesome. The T5U Charal is incredible IMO, but T6 would be even better.
On a random note, whatever happened to the broadsider ship we were promised all those years ago? There was a rumor it was gonna be an andorian battlecruiser.
Also, T6 Gal dreadnought. Heck. Yeah.
Release a D'Dex and Neg dreadnought variant with freaking huge space guns and Id by the free pack in a heartbeat (provided they all had at least a LTC tac)
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I included it already. The Centaur is one of the 3 models possible with the Miranda under the Light Cruiser. I'm one of those crazies that would love to fly the Miranda/Centaur/ShiKhar at endgame levels.
I think the pilot ships could well be your T6 Defiant. It would be nice if they just came out and said which ships will be going T6. For example, I have a bunch of zen waiting to see if they do a T6 Ody or Sov. If they just came out and said ships X, Y, and Z are going to be T6, I would know if I should stop waiting and buy the command cruisers. However, if they gave out this information...it would probably kill sales for their "original" ships. I think most people would prefer canon ships that were done right.
But my go to ship for combat (and 2nd best looking ship in the Fleet imo) is the Prometheus. So a T6 version I would choose over the above two first, if given the choice. I have made a thread about viable speculation for the T6 Prometheus: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1455991
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The Pilot ships are as much of a Defiant as the Guardian was the Galaxy ot the Phantom be another Defiant. People always said that, but we have the precedent now that they are releasing T6 ships which are direct upgrades of the lower tier ships, they even use the exact same classification (Long Range Science Vessel, Exploration Cruiser and they will be a Tactical Escort as well).
The T6 upgraded ships, though, will not feature a commander specialization. The Pathfinder got a Lt one and the cruisers got a LTC - they have to upgrade the PAthfinder retroactively in my opinion, but well.
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Just look at how this thread started. People saw preview pics of the Pilot Ships, even the leak said Pilot Ships, and loads of players assumed: Defiant.
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RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
When the intel pack came out to me the Phantom IS a T6 defiant. Skin not withstanding. I actually thought it was cooler than the original like an updated and ugraded version should be.
On the Kling side I'm glad to see some raptor love with the pilot ships finally! CAn't wait to get the pack.
I don't think it's happening just yet, not with the start of the Summer Event.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1470251
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Not sold on the Avenger, Mogh. Mogai on the other hand interests me. It's a canon ship, a good performer, and my favorite T5 Warbird. T6 version would rock even more.