Agreed, there's already the Avenger for those who want a Fed DPS moster like ship (and for those who don't care about the looks, lol)
The Defiant was probably the ugliest Federation ship I ever layed eyes on, I feel the only reason people liked it was because they saw it blowing up stuff, the same can be said for the DS9 series it wouldn't be nearly as popular if it didn't have the whole epic war blow up stuff, guns, explosions ect...
Question: has anyone actually said that the next iconic ship will be a defiant class?
The revamped sovereign-class wallpaper for S10 (and the fact that these T6 pilot ships are all escorts [plus one xindi pilot-seated escort carrier]) would seem to point in another direction.
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Question: has anyone actually said that the next iconic ship will be a defiant class?
The revamped sovereign-class wallpaper for S10 (and the fact that these T6 pilot ships are all escorts [plus one xindi pilot-seated escort carrier]) would seem to point in another direction.
Of course not, not anyone official. And the news blog makes absolutely zero mention of the Defiant nor the STO Defiant's technical name, "Tactical Escort." What models it's going to have are the 3 pilot ship variants.
IMHO, it's not Defiant. They COULD tack on Defiant & Defiant-variant models but on top of the 3 Pilot Ship Models? I highly doubt that. No ship in the game, not even the highly customizable Fed ships, have THAT kind of range of options.
Again, Cryptic could prove me wrong but their history says I'm going to be right.
As far as Iconic packs go, I do wonder if we'll get double Iconic bundles or just one in about a month or two from now.
While the Cruiser X-Faction bundle was straightforward to balance and release due to the fact that they share near-identical layouts, the Defiant and BoP do not, whereas the Defiant and Raptor do, with the T'Varo coming close (it has the flexible Uni instead), while the BoP and Aquarius share near-identical loadouts.
So if following that; we should see two: Iconic "Escort" Bundle - Defiant/Raptor/T'Varo - Similar setups (T'Varo would probably end up gimped like the T6 D'D due to having a slightly different layout).
Iconic "Raider" Bundle - Aquarius/BoP/New Rom "BoP" - Similar setups and easy to fully copy/paste/edit.
Otherwise, we could expect 3 ships not exactly balanced to each other and completely their own thing, but sold together akin to the DR Pack: Iconic Cross-Faction "Escort" Bundle - Defiant/BoP/T'Varo
Personally, I prefer the former; two packs of 3 ships, for more variety.
As to whether or not it could be a straight up different ship, it's unlikely but possible, given that the Devs stated that Pilot will definitely be for Escorts/Destroyers and their equivalents. Maybe Science, but no Cruisers (even if they did have a Pilot-capable Sheshar and Sovereign).
Yeah, but the Avenger is an eyesore and it's nice to have another tac monster to choose from instead of that Legoscort. The Defiant is a halfway decent looking ship, but without a doubt there's a nostalgia factor. It's fun to fly ships that were in the various series. The Defiant was a radical shift in the show and kicked a$$. It's got history. Sign me up.
Yeah, but the Avenger is an eyesore and it's nice to have another tac monster to choose from instead of that Legoscort. The Defiant is a halfway decent looking ship, but without a doubt there's a nostalgia factor. It's fun to fly ships that were in the various series. The Defiant was a radical shift in the show and kicked a$$. It's got history. Sign me up.
It's no accident that so far, of all the ships that have transitioned to T6 have been canon-ships. That's actually a smart move on Cryptic's part.
It's no accident that so far, of all the ships that have transitioned to T6 have been canon-ships. That's actually a smart move on Cryptic's part.
I just wish that consideration was given to the people who invested in the old T5 ships and have been playing for years. It annoys me that I have to buy the ships I want to fly again.
Also it's kind of stupid that a lot of T5 ships are only flyable at VA/lvl 50, which is when you can start flying T6 ships. They should make ALL T5 ships flyable at RA/lvl 40, to take into account the T6 being endgame thing.
I just wish that consideration was given to the people who invested in the old T5 ships and have been playing for years. It annoys me that I have to buy the ships I want to fly again.
Also it's kind of stupid that a lot of T5 ships are only flyable at VA/lvl 50, which is when you can start flying T6 ships. They should make ALL T5 ships flyable at RA/lvl 40, to take into account the T6 being endgame thing.
It's no different than what has been done prior to even Profits Rising. Let's take the Defiant-class as an example with C-Store ship purchases.
Tier 4 - The Defiant first appears for purchase in the C-Store at T4 as "Tactical Escort."
Tier 5 C-Store, 9 console "Tactical Escort Retrofit" is there. Owning the lower tiered T4 Defiant did not grant a discount or an upgrade of any sort to get this version.
Tier 5 Fleet - Usual Fleet ship purchase deal. Own the C-Store version, get the cheaper 1 FSM cost.
And that was the norm. Moving up through the Tiers never granted any sort of discount or easier access to higher tiered versions. Maybe if you bought the bundle with the ships out at the time (Galaxy Pack, for instance) but that's as far as it went. It's repeated with ships like the Intrepid, Galaxy, Excelsior, and practically the entirety of the Romulan lineup that has any progression through the tiers of the same ship type. And nobody batted an eye. It had been this way for years.
Then comes DR and T6 ships, and all the sudden people expected it to be different? I dunno man. I'm just a realist and know what Cryptic's game is
It's no accident that so far, of all the ships that have transitioned to T6 have been canon-ships. That's actually a smart move on Cryptic's part.
Yeah, they know how to make money, but not how to make a decent Star Trek game, lol.
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Moving up through the Tiers never granted any sort of discount or easier access to higher tiered versions.
Yeah, ok you've got a point. But another thing that irritates me is how T5 varies between 2000-2500 zen, but both were only available at VA level 50. It seems to me that if they were consistent in their pricing, all T5 ships should be available at level 40, and cost around 2000 zen, while the T6 ships are available at level 50 and cost around 2500 zen. But they didn't do it this way because T5 used to be endgame for almost five years. The status quo has been shaken up a bit but hasn't equalised the ship line up. This results in some bizarre things like T5U costing more in terms of zen than a T6 ship does.
Most of these T6 ships are completely new design. But yeah, canon ships with several versions already purchased, it would be nice if these new T6 ships were a little cheaper than say the intel ships.
Yeah, ok you've got a point. But another thing that irritates me is how T5 varies between 2000-2500 zen, but both were only available at VA level 50. It seems to me that if they were consistent in their pricing, all T5 ships should be available at level 40, and cost around 2000 zen, while the T6 ships are available at level 50 and cost around 2500 zen. But they didn't do it this way because T5 used to be endgame for almost five years. The status quo has been shaken up a bit but hasn't equalised the ship line up. This results in some bizarre things like T5U costing more in terms of zen than a T6 ship does.
I mentioned in another thread that the costs need to be revamped because it's getting stupid. I'd prefer if they:
- Bring T6 C-Store/Lobi costs to current T5 levels.
- Bring existing T5 C/Store/Lobi costs down.
With Delta Recruit, I noticed that they had revamped ship eligibility ranks. The vast majority of T5 are now usable only at Lv50 onwards. That is also the same level you're eligible for T6.
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That was an inexplicable move. T5 ships should be all made available at Lv40/Rear Adm/BGen. Not at the same damn level at 50 with T6.
With Delta Recruit, I noticed that they had revamped ship eligibility ranks. The vast majority of T5 are now usable only at Lv50 onwards. That is also the same level you're eligible for T6.
Now? For as long as I've been playing the game most of the T5 c-store ships have been "vice admiral" level (ie. 50.)
That's not saying that they shouldn't be 40, just that nothing was changed (which is part of the problem.)
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Now? For as long as I've been playing the game most of the T5 c-store ships have been "vice admiral" level (ie. 50.)
That's not saying that they shouldn't be 40, just that nothing was changed (which is part of the problem.)
I guess my memory is fuzzy on that then. But yeah, they should be put at Lv40. Same eligibility as T6 is kinda... off. The stuff you're eligible for at 40 is still limited anyways, so why not?
Anyone have any of the FED T6 Escorts yet? Can you confirm if it can use the classic Defiant skin
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Anyone have any of the FED T6 Escorts yet? Can you confirm if it can use the classic Defiant skin
They don't. Everyone knew what assuming does, right?
Edit: Best you can do is getting a combo of most of the ship to kind of look like a Defiant-derivative. But the wings. Tom Paris and his stupid wings! If you were looking to buy the ship for an excellent Escort, it is exactly that. If you were looking to fly the Defiant that you saw on canon Star Trek shows, it isn't that at all.
They don't. Everyone knew what assuming does, right?
Edit: Best you can do is getting a combo of most of the ship to kind of look like a Defiant-derivative. But the wings. Tom Paris and his stupid wings! If you were looking to buy the ship for an excellent Escort, it is exactly that. If you were looking to fly the Defiant that you saw on canon Star Trek shows, it isn't that at all.
Well at least I'm saving $60-$120 now. Thanks. Was going to buy it if it could fit the skin. And I was also going to buy the T6 KDF ship too but it was revealed to be a Raptor, not a BoP and thus no possibility for the B'rel classic skin.
I guess my Star Trek Trilogy series theme set will have to wait. Already have TNG: T6 Galaxy + Justice bridge and VOY: T6 Intrepid + Voyager interior. Just waiting for DS9: T6 Defiant + Belfast interior.
And agreed 100% about the designs. Do you notice that the ship designs are getting worse? Looking less like Star Trek and more like Star Conflict (PWE's other game). Why not utilize classic ship designs from Roddenberry-verse not yet put into the game rather than making up ones. Why not bring in like Jupiter and Typhoon classes which look WAY better than these new T6 vessel any day
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Well at least I'm saving $60-$120 now. Thanks. Was going to buy it if it could fit the skin. And I was also going to buy the T6 KDF ship too but it was revealed to be a Raptor, not a BoP and thus no possibility for the B'rel classic skin.
I guess my Star Trek Trilogy series theme set will have to wait. Already have TNG: T6 Galaxy + Justice bridge and VOY: T6 Intrepid + Voyager interior. Just waiting for DS9: T6 Defiant + Belfast interior.
And agreed 100% about the designs. Do you notice that the ship designs are getting worse? Looking less like Star Trek and more like Star Conflict (PWE's other game). Why not utilize classic ship designs from Roddenberry-verse not yet put into the game rather than making up ones. Why not bring in like Jupiter and Typhoon classes which look WAY better than these new T6 vessel any day
The Defiant will get its time in T6. On Fed side, that and the Sovereign-class are too big a deal to leave behind long. I'm not saying it's coming next month or something like that. But it would be stupid for Cryptic to not make T6 versions of those 2 ships.
As for the designs of the Pilot Ships, at least for all 3 factions, the KDF ones look very meh. They look like insects. The Roms look good. The Fed ones? If the wings could just be more subtle, it would be quite good. If the wings were removed and more options on the nacelles for shapes like on the Phantom and Defiant, then we'd be talking.
As far as future, canon ship bundles, and since we're on the boards full of speculation, my guesses on the next T6 Canon Faction Ship Bundle?
- Defiant, B'Rel, Mogai - The Feds have a few untouched "Escort-like" vessels from canon but I do believe the Defiant is in higher demand. Next would be Prometheus. B'Rel? Because there's no other canon KDF "Escort-like" vessel remaining. Mogai? Same deal like the KDF. A stretch would be the T'Varo. I say "stretch" because the T'Varo design is ENT-era while the T1 T'Liss is TOS. That's why a Mogai is more likely, IMO.
- Sovereign, Vor'Cha,... Dear God... Scimitar. Lots of possible choices for Feds but in the lead would be Sovereign and Galaxy-X. Vor'Cha? Last possible canon KDF ship. Except for TOS D-7/movie era K'T'Inga. Scimitar? The Elephant in the room. It's also the last possible Romulan canon warbird, unless Cryptic throws in ENT-era T'Varo/TOS-era T'Liss.
They don't. Everyone knew what assuming does, right?
Edit: Best you can do is getting a combo of most of the ship to kind of look like a Defiant-derivative. But the wings. Tom Paris and his stupid wings! If you were looking to buy the ship for an excellent Escort, it is exactly that. If you were looking to fly the Defiant that you saw on canon Star Trek shows, it isn't that at all.
So is there a costume option in teh ship tailor to not have the split front end on the Tac model or do have to buy the bundle or own all three ships to get that?
Because honestly, that split front end from the "90's SciFi" look is all that's keeping me from getting one,...
However, being a Tac officer, I have no desire nor need for the Engineering or Science versions too. I do like the look of the Engineering version, but would probably never fly it and I'm paying $30 for it so I can have one piece of it's costume.
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So is there a costume option in teh ship tailor to not have the split front end on the Tac model or do have to buy the bundle or own all three ships to get that?
Because honestly, that split front end from the "90's SciFi" look is all that's keeping me from getting one,...
However, being a Tac officer, I have no desire nor need for the Engineering or Science versions too. I do like the look of the Engineering version, but would probably never fly it and I'm paying $30 for it so I can have one piece of it's costume.
I bought the bundle so it was all unlocked for me. Going by the news blog, the deflector that I exemplified on the image I had was from the SCI version.
When intel spec was released... about four weeks later (actually, it may have been closer to six), the Pathfinder (T6 Intel version of the Intrepid) was released, separately from the original Intel ships.
When command spec was released... about four later, the Andromeda (T6 Command version of the Galaxy), the D'Khellra (T6 Command version of the D'Deridex), and Negh'Tev (T6 Command version of the Negh'Var) were released, separately from the original Command ships.
If they follow the same pattern, a Pilot spec upgrade of an existing ship, and possibly more than one, is likely to surface within the next few weeks... and I personally expect it to be the Defiant.
I hope so the only ship I really want is the Defiant in a T6 version with 5 fore weapon slots
I hope so the only ship I really want is the Defiant in a T6 version with 5 fore weapon slots
I don't know about 5 forward weapon slots on a T6 Defiant. If you dig up the stats of the canon ships that have gone from T5 to T6, you will notice that the ship's values weren't greatly altered. They pretty much got the standard deal of moving up to the new tier. There was no great revamp of Weapon Loadouts in any of them, no huge changes except to BOFF stations.
For example the Iconic Ship Pack. Between the Galaxy, Negh'Var, D'Deridex, the Negh'Var *easily* was far more maneuverable and would have really benefitted from changing from 4/4 weapon slots to 5/3. It had the turn rate to do so, unlike the Galaxy & D'D. But it wasn't greatly altered to be like that. The Negh'Var, like every T5 ship that went to T6, got a natural evolution to T6.
In short, it's going to retain the exact Weapons Loadout as T5 Defiant. The BOFF station will remain similar but with some tweaks as well as the +1 skill count for going to T6. Consoles will remain the same. Speed, Turn Rate, Impulse Mods? Same.
Another thing is that existing consoles, if it wasn't done so already, were made as part of a Set with Bonuses. The Galaxy & D'Deridex already had a set with bonuses prior going to T6. The T6 console merely was added onto it. The Negh'Var never got a set bonus because it never had a lower tier C-Store ship, much less a Negh'Var only console. The Pathfinder's Console Set was made and included the Aero Shuttle Console.
Anyways, my point? The Cloaking Device Console is probably going to stay and be a part of a Defiant Set, i.e. Phaser Quads+Cloaking Device Console+Whatever new T6 implement.
For the sake of speculation, I believe a Fleet T6 Tactical Escort will be:
4/3 Weapons Loadout Cmdr TAC LtCdr TAC Lt Universal Lt ENG Lt SCI
Consoles: Same as Fleet T5U Defiant
No lower tiered ship that has been converted to T6 has ever been made a Full Specialization Ship in the same was as, say, Intel Eclipse, Command Flight Deck Cruisers, Pilot Ships. They have all so far had Specialization access, but not full:
Pathfinder
Negh'Var
Galaxy
D'Deridex
Jem'Hadar Strike Ship - Yes, not even the JHSS was a Full Intel or Full Command Spec Ship. It had a bit of both but not the full access to either.
On the same token, Cryptic has exemplified 2 styles of their Specialization access. Styled like the Dauntless with Lt Hybrid only or the Iconic Ships with LtCdr Hybrid only.
For a T6 Defiant, it's wildly open to possibilities: One of the LtCdr TAC, Lt ENG, Lt SCI would be the Hybrid Station for whatever specialization Cryptic assigns to the ship.
There already is a T6 Defiant, the Phantom Class. Get used to it.
If it can't dawn the defiant skin it isn't a T6 Defiant, sorry. Can't get use to something that isn't true. But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
The Defiant will get its time in T6. On Fed side, that and the Sovereign-class are too big a deal to leave behind long. I'm not saying it's coming next month or something like that. But it would be stupid for Cryptic to not make T6 versions of those 2 ships.
As for the designs of the Pilot Ships, at least for all 3 factions, the KDF ones look very meh. They look like insects. The Roms look good. The Fed ones? If the wings could just be more subtle, it would be quite good. If the wings were removed and more options on the nacelles for shapes like on the Phantom and Defiant, then we'd be talking.
As far as future, canon ship bundles, and since we're on the boards full of speculation, my guesses on the next T6 Canon Faction Ship Bundle?
- Defiant, B'Rel, Mogai - The Feds have a few untouched "Escort-like" vessels from canon but I do believe the Defiant is in higher demand. Next would be Prometheus. B'Rel? Because there's no other canon KDF "Escort-like" vessel remaining. Mogai? Same deal like the KDF. A stretch would be the T'Varo. I say "stretch" because the T'Varo design is ENT-era while the T1 T'Liss is TOS. That's why a Mogai is more likely, IMO.
- Sovereign, Vor'Cha,... Dear God... Scimitar. Lots of possible choices for Feds but in the lead would be Sovereign and Galaxy-X. Vor'Cha? Last possible canon KDF ship. Except for TOS D-7/movie era K'T'Inga. Scimitar? The Elephant in the room. It's also the last possible Romulan canon warbird, unless Cryptic throws in ENT-era T'Varo/TOS-era T'Liss.
Its funny how an ENT-era ship can become a T5-U but a TOS-era ship (you know which ship I'm talking about) can't :mad:
But I hope your right that the T6 Defiant and B'rel come out. Oh and I also forgot that I have the TOS: Constitution + TOS interior. See I haven't used that theme in so long cause the character is only Captain level, that I forgot I had it.
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
It is not. Please stop saying so. Yes, it's an escort. Yes, it has a somewhat similar BOFF layout. But it does not fit the pattern that has now been established with not one (Pathfinder), not two (JHSS), but FIVE (Andromeda, D'Khellra, Negh'Tev) other ships which are also available at lower tiers; specifically, of having the same 'class name' in the Shipyard, being able to use the original skins, etcetera.
Going by the established pattern proven by those ships... a Pilot spec upgrade of a lower-tier ship is probably just over the horizon. I find it very likely that it will be the T6 Defiant, although there's a few other slight possibilities (Prometheus?).
We saw the Command Battlecruisers come out shortly before the iconic Galaxy.
I expect we'll see the T6 Defiant announcement shortly, now that we have the T6 Piscort packs out.
Yeah. My only hesitation in saying that is that there's a small possibility it will be a different ship and not the Defiant. Prometheus would be my distant-second candidate, and I've seen some people arguing for the Nova. Both are canon ships, but with far less street cred than the Defiant.
I hear what those people are saying, but if Cryptic decide to continue the "Iconic" lineup, I don't do see Nova or Prometheus fitting that category. It should be obvious to any fan that not all canon ships are iconic.
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The Defiant was probably the ugliest Federation ship I ever layed eyes on, I feel the only reason people liked it was because they saw it blowing up stuff, the same can be said for the DS9 series it wouldn't be nearly as popular if it didn't have the whole epic war blow up stuff, guns, explosions ect...
The revamped sovereign-class wallpaper for S10 (and the fact that these T6 pilot ships are all escorts [plus one xindi pilot-seated escort carrier]) would seem to point in another direction.
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Of course not, not anyone official. And the news blog makes absolutely zero mention of the Defiant nor the STO Defiant's technical name, "Tactical Escort." What models it's going to have are the 3 pilot ship variants.
IMHO, it's not Defiant. They COULD tack on Defiant & Defiant-variant models but on top of the 3 Pilot Ship Models? I highly doubt that. No ship in the game, not even the highly customizable Fed ships, have THAT kind of range of options.
Again, Cryptic could prove me wrong but their history says I'm going to be right.
While the Cruiser X-Faction bundle was straightforward to balance and release due to the fact that they share near-identical layouts, the Defiant and BoP do not, whereas the Defiant and Raptor do, with the T'Varo coming close (it has the flexible Uni instead), while the BoP and Aquarius share near-identical loadouts.
So if following that; we should see two:
Iconic "Escort" Bundle - Defiant/Raptor/T'Varo - Similar setups (T'Varo would probably end up gimped like the T6 D'D due to having a slightly different layout).
Iconic "Raider" Bundle - Aquarius/BoP/New Rom "BoP" - Similar setups and easy to fully copy/paste/edit.
Otherwise, we could expect 3 ships not exactly balanced to each other and completely their own thing, but sold together akin to the DR Pack:
Iconic Cross-Faction "Escort" Bundle - Defiant/BoP/T'Varo
Personally, I prefer the former; two packs of 3 ships, for more variety.
As to whether or not it could be a straight up different ship, it's unlikely but possible, given that the Devs stated that Pilot will definitely be for Escorts/Destroyers and their equivalents. Maybe Science, but no Cruisers (even if they did have a Pilot-capable Sheshar and Sovereign).
It's no accident that so far, of all the ships that have transitioned to T6 have been canon-ships. That's actually a smart move on Cryptic's part.
Also it's kind of stupid that a lot of T5 ships are only flyable at VA/lvl 50, which is when you can start flying T6 ships. They should make ALL T5 ships flyable at RA/lvl 40, to take into account the T6 being endgame thing.
It's no different than what has been done prior to even Profits Rising. Let's take the Defiant-class as an example with C-Store ship purchases.
Tier 4 - The Defiant first appears for purchase in the C-Store at T4 as "Tactical Escort."
Tier 5 C-Store, 9 console "Tactical Escort Retrofit" is there. Owning the lower tiered T4 Defiant did not grant a discount or an upgrade of any sort to get this version.
Tier 5 Fleet - Usual Fleet ship purchase deal. Own the C-Store version, get the cheaper 1 FSM cost.
And that was the norm. Moving up through the Tiers never granted any sort of discount or easier access to higher tiered versions. Maybe if you bought the bundle with the ships out at the time (Galaxy Pack, for instance) but that's as far as it went. It's repeated with ships like the Intrepid, Galaxy, Excelsior, and practically the entirety of the Romulan lineup that has any progression through the tiers of the same ship type. And nobody batted an eye. It had been this way for years.
Then comes DR and T6 ships, and all the sudden people expected it to be different? I dunno man. I'm just a realist and know what Cryptic's game is
Yeah, they know how to make money, but not how to make a decent Star Trek game, lol.
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I mentioned in another thread that the costs need to be revamped because it's getting stupid. I'd prefer if they:
- Bring T6 C-Store/Lobi costs to current T5 levels.
- Bring existing T5 C/Store/Lobi costs down.
With Delta Recruit, I noticed that they had revamped ship eligibility ranks. The vast majority of T5 are now usable only at Lv50 onwards. That is also the same level you're eligible for T6.
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That was an inexplicable move. T5 ships should be all made available at Lv40/Rear Adm/BGen. Not at the same damn level at 50 with T6.
Now? For as long as I've been playing the game most of the T5 c-store ships have been "vice admiral" level (ie. 50.)
That's not saying that they shouldn't be 40, just that nothing was changed (which is part of the problem.)
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I guess my memory is fuzzy on that then. But yeah, they should be put at Lv40. Same eligibility as T6 is kinda... off. The stuff you're eligible for at 40 is still limited anyways, so why not?
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
They don't. Everyone knew what assuming does, right?
Edit: Best you can do is getting a combo of most of the ship to kind of look like a Defiant-derivative. But the wings. Tom Paris and his stupid wings! If you were looking to buy the ship for an excellent Escort, it is exactly that. If you were looking to fly the Defiant that you saw on canon Star Trek shows, it isn't that at all.
Well at least I'm saving $60-$120 now. Thanks. Was going to buy it if it could fit the skin. And I was also going to buy the T6 KDF ship too but it was revealed to be a Raptor, not a BoP and thus no possibility for the B'rel classic skin.
I guess my Star Trek Trilogy series theme set will have to wait. Already have TNG: T6 Galaxy + Justice bridge and VOY: T6 Intrepid + Voyager interior. Just waiting for DS9: T6 Defiant + Belfast interior.
And agreed 100% about the designs. Do you notice that the ship designs are getting worse? Looking less like Star Trek and more like Star Conflict (PWE's other game). Why not utilize classic ship designs from Roddenberry-verse not yet put into the game rather than making up ones. Why not bring in like Jupiter and Typhoon classes which look WAY better than these new T6 vessel any day
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
The Defiant will get its time in T6. On Fed side, that and the Sovereign-class are too big a deal to leave behind long. I'm not saying it's coming next month or something like that. But it would be stupid for Cryptic to not make T6 versions of those 2 ships.
As for the designs of the Pilot Ships, at least for all 3 factions, the KDF ones look very meh. They look like insects. The Roms look good. The Fed ones? If the wings could just be more subtle, it would be quite good. If the wings were removed and more options on the nacelles for shapes like on the Phantom and Defiant, then we'd be talking.
As far as future, canon ship bundles, and since we're on the boards full of speculation, my guesses on the next T6 Canon Faction Ship Bundle?
- Defiant, B'Rel, Mogai - The Feds have a few untouched "Escort-like" vessels from canon but I do believe the Defiant is in higher demand. Next would be Prometheus. B'Rel? Because there's no other canon KDF "Escort-like" vessel remaining. Mogai? Same deal like the KDF. A stretch would be the T'Varo. I say "stretch" because the T'Varo design is ENT-era while the T1 T'Liss is TOS. That's why a Mogai is more likely, IMO.
- Sovereign, Vor'Cha,... Dear God... Scimitar. Lots of possible choices for Feds but in the lead would be Sovereign and Galaxy-X. Vor'Cha? Last possible canon KDF ship. Except for TOS D-7/movie era K'T'Inga. Scimitar? The Elephant in the room. It's also the last possible Romulan canon warbird, unless Cryptic throws in ENT-era T'Varo/TOS-era T'Liss.
So is there a costume option in teh ship tailor to not have the split front end on the Tac model or do have to buy the bundle or own all three ships to get that?
Because honestly, that split front end from the "90's SciFi" look is all that's keeping me from getting one,...
However, being a Tac officer, I have no desire nor need for the Engineering or Science versions too. I do like the look of the Engineering version, but would probably never fly it and I'm paying $30 for it so I can have one piece of it's costume.
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I bought the bundle so it was all unlocked for me. Going by the news blog, the deflector that I exemplified on the image I had was from the SCI version.
I hope so the only ship I really want is the Defiant in a T6 version with 5 fore weapon slots
I don't know about 5 forward weapon slots on a T6 Defiant. If you dig up the stats of the canon ships that have gone from T5 to T6, you will notice that the ship's values weren't greatly altered. They pretty much got the standard deal of moving up to the new tier. There was no great revamp of Weapon Loadouts in any of them, no huge changes except to BOFF stations.
For example the Iconic Ship Pack. Between the Galaxy, Negh'Var, D'Deridex, the Negh'Var *easily* was far more maneuverable and would have really benefitted from changing from 4/4 weapon slots to 5/3. It had the turn rate to do so, unlike the Galaxy & D'D. But it wasn't greatly altered to be like that. The Negh'Var, like every T5 ship that went to T6, got a natural evolution to T6.
In short, it's going to retain the exact Weapons Loadout as T5 Defiant. The BOFF station will remain similar but with some tweaks as well as the +1 skill count for going to T6. Consoles will remain the same. Speed, Turn Rate, Impulse Mods? Same.
Another thing is that existing consoles, if it wasn't done so already, were made as part of a Set with Bonuses. The Galaxy & D'Deridex already had a set with bonuses prior going to T6. The T6 console merely was added onto it. The Negh'Var never got a set bonus because it never had a lower tier C-Store ship, much less a Negh'Var only console. The Pathfinder's Console Set was made and included the Aero Shuttle Console.
Anyways, my point? The Cloaking Device Console is probably going to stay and be a part of a Defiant Set, i.e. Phaser Quads+Cloaking Device Console+Whatever new T6 implement.
For the sake of speculation, I believe a Fleet T6 Tactical Escort will be:
4/3 Weapons Loadout
Cmdr TAC
LtCdr TAC
Lt Universal
Lt ENG
Lt SCI
Consoles: Same as Fleet T5U Defiant
No lower tiered ship that has been converted to T6 has ever been made a Full Specialization Ship in the same was as, say, Intel Eclipse, Command Flight Deck Cruisers, Pilot Ships. They have all so far had Specialization access, but not full:
Pathfinder
Negh'Var
Galaxy
D'Deridex
Jem'Hadar Strike Ship - Yes, not even the JHSS was a Full Intel or Full Command Spec Ship. It had a bit of both but not the full access to either.
On the same token, Cryptic has exemplified 2 styles of their Specialization access. Styled like the Dauntless with Lt Hybrid only or the Iconic Ships with LtCdr Hybrid only.
For a T6 Defiant, it's wildly open to possibilities: One of the LtCdr TAC, Lt ENG, Lt SCI would be the Hybrid Station for whatever specialization Cryptic assigns to the ship.
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If it can't dawn the defiant skin it isn't a T6 Defiant, sorry. Can't get use to something that isn't true. But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Its funny how an ENT-era ship can become a T5-U but a TOS-era ship (you know which ship I'm talking about) can't :mad:
But I hope your right that the T6 Defiant and B'rel come out. Oh and I also forgot that I have the TOS: Constitution + TOS interior. See I haven't used that theme in so long cause the character is only Captain level, that I forgot I had it.
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
We saw the Command Battlecruisers come out shortly before the iconic Galaxy.
I expect we'll see the T6 Defiant announcement shortly, now that we have the T6 Piscort packs out.
I hear what those people are saying, but if Cryptic decide to continue the "Iconic" lineup, I don't do see Nova or Prometheus fitting that category. It should be obvious to any fan that not all canon ships are iconic.
That said, T6 Nova and Prometheus: Yes please!
But Defiant first.