This gives me a reason to dust off the Narcine again to test these new fighters since it seems she can store em love the compatibility thanks for the new fighter support Cryptic and that insectoid escort looks interesting bit squishy but interesting
I really don't know why Cryptic didn't include it. Kinda puts the few people who wanted the ship off.
It comes down to setting precedents, or improper expectations.
This is the "Blue Box" ship for this Lock Box. That tier of prize does not come with innate abilities, consoles, or traits. Violating that precedent could put us in a bad position for whatever the next Lock Box might be, or might raise requests to have the previous Blue Box ships upgraded to match.
Furthermore, both Theta Radiation and Spatial Charges already exist as Lock Box prizes from the Ferengi and Voth Lock Boxes, respectively. Adding either/both to a new prize, bundled with a ship, would massively devalue those older prizes, as well as potentially altering expectations of how existing prizes could be re-bundled in the future.... What a can of worms!
Ultimately, it's not a matter of being "lazy" as one previous poster put it, or of not having the time. We could have easily put the existing Theta Radiation console on this ship, with minimal time involved. But the potential consequences of that decision weren't worth the risk.
Jeremy Randall
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Who out here wants to see alternate skins for the new ships?
I personally want the 12-tank Export Vessel (seen in the Foundry as the "Malon Dreadnought") as an alternate skin for the Malon Battlecruiser. It's a canon design too!
It comes down to setting precedents, or improper expectations.
This is the "Blue Box" ship for this Lock Box. That tier of prize does not come with innate abilities, consoles, or traits. Violating that precedent could put us in a bad position for whatever the next Lock Box might be, or might raise requests to have the previous Blue Box ships upgraded to match.
Furthermore, both Theta Radiation and Spatial Charges already exist as Lock Box prizes from the Ferengi and Voth Lock Boxes, respectively. Adding either/both to a new prize, bundled with a ship, would massively devalue those older prizes, as well as potentially altering expectations of how existing prizes could be re-bundled in the future.... What a can of worms!
Ultimately, it's not a matter of being "lazy" as one previous poster put it, or of not having the time. We could have easily put the existing Theta Radiation console on this ship, with minimal time involved. But the potential consequences of that decision weren't worth the risk.
Fair enough.
Though, seeing as you're posting, can I ask a few things?
A. Does the Malon ship actually have a unique bridge of its own?
B. Does the Malon ship come with a distinct prefix?
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
It comes down to setting precedents, or improper expectations.
This is the "Blue Box" ship for this Lock Box. That tier of prize does not come with innate abilities, consoles, or traits. Violating that precedent could put us in a bad position for whatever the next Lock Box might be, or might raise requests to have the previous Blue Box ships upgraded to match.
Furthermore, both Theta Radiation and Spatial Charges already exist as Lock Box prizes from the Ferengi and Voth Lock Boxes, respectively. Adding either/both to a new prize, bundled with a ship, would massively devalue those older prizes, as well as potentially altering expectations of how existing prizes could be re-bundled in the future.... What a can of worms!
Ultimately, it's not a matter of being "lazy" as one previous poster put it, or of not having the time. We could have easily put the existing Theta Radiation console on this ship, with minimal time involved. But the potential consequences of that decision weren't worth the risk.
First off, thank you for responding. I honestly didn't expect to elicit a response from anyone at Cryptic.
I understand the possibility of devaluing other ships by including pre-existing consoles. That makes perfect sense, and seeing as how STO is still at the end of the day a business, it's understandable doing such would be counter-intuitive.
The reason I and a few others were perseverating on it is because the ship and it's capabilities are well established in both the game and in Star Trek canon. When we saw the ship was to be released we'd figured that some of that would translate over to the playable version, because it would be odd not to.
Essentially, it was like releasing a BoP without the ability to cloak. We all know they can cloak, they cloak in-game and in all iterations of Star Trek canon, but because it is a "blue box ship" as you called it, they were stripped of the ability to cloak. Now everyone who was looking forward to this particular BoP is a tad bit confused and disappointed. That is essentially the Malon Ship and the few of us who wanted it right now.
I was the one who said Cryptic was lazy, I was bitterly disappointed and a tad bit upset that a ship I was looking forward to wasn't going to have any of the abilities we'd come to expect it to have. It was childish of me and I apologize, I'll edit my post accordingly.
I might have missed it, but what "scratch the paint" for the fighters does ?
It's a pilot passive ability that gives the ship in question a short-radius shield damage aura, with the strength of it dependent on how fast you're going.
It's a pilot passive ability that gives the ship in question a short-radius shield damage aura, with the strength of it dependent on how fast you're going.
Thanks !
I might take the dreadnought, but that's mostly because it's a beautiful ship. I might wait for a lobi discount however.
It's a pilot passive ability that gives the ship in question a short-radius shield damage aura, with the strength of it dependent on how fast you're going.
That's incorrect. You're thinking of Shield Scraping (also from the Pilot spec).
Scratch the Paint grants immunity to one Warp Core Breach every 60sec.
Jeremy Randall
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
It comes down to setting precedents, or improper expectations.
This is the "Blue Box" ship for this Lock Box. That tier of prize does not come with innate abilities, consoles, or traits. Violating that precedent could put us in a bad position for whatever the next Lock Box might be, or might raise requests to have the previous Blue Box ships upgraded to match.
Furthermore, both Theta Radiation and Spatial Charges already exist as Lock Box prizes from the Ferengi and Voth Lock Boxes, respectively. Adding either/both to a new prize, bundled with a ship, would massively devalue those older prizes, as well as potentially altering expectations of how existing prizes could be re-bundled in the future.... What a can of worms!
Ultimately, it's not a matter of being "lazy" as one previous poster put it, or of not having the time. We could have easily put the existing Theta Radiation console on this ship, with minimal time involved. But the potential consequences of that decision weren't worth the risk.
Technically, the Vent Theta Radiation console is already available to KDF players who own the Scourge Destroyer. Are there any restrictions that would prevent that console from being used on the Malon ship, if the player already has it?
We have precedent for consoles obtained on one ship (Defiant Retrofit) to be used on another (Avenger Battlecruiser).
Seems to me that if a player is able to obtain the console from another ship or lockbox, that it should be usable on the Malon ship.
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The whole point of commanding a Malon Battlecruiser is to dump radioactive waste on your enemies. Eject Warp Plasma helps a little, but it is not the same. Having it neutered removes most of the fun of commanding a Malon Battlecruiser.
Umm, why is a Malon ship included in a Xindi species lockbox in the first place?
Just sayin'
That's incorrect. You're thinking of Shield Scraping (also from the Pilot spec).
Scratch the Paint grants immunity to one Warp Core Breach every 60sec.
Ah, confused the two. But that sounds more useful on fighters. I know on my ships, warp core breaches are like bug zappers for fighters.
Technically, the Vent Theta Radiation console is already available to KDF players who own the Scourge Destroyer. Are there any restrictions that would prevent that console from being used on the Malon ship, if the player already has it?
If I remember right, Vent Theta Radiation is also available from one of the earlier lockboxes, as is Vent Metreon Gas. So you could hammer together using Metreon Gas and Theta Radiation consoles with Vent Warp Plasma and maybe Plasma Emission Torpedo a ship built around gaseous damage clouds.
Umm, why is a Malon ship included in a Xindi species lockbox in the first place?
Just sayin'
Why were there Mirror Universe ships in any lockbox?
It's just a "bonus" ship that they can make more available than the main lockbox ship because it isn't as valuable.
It's arguably better than those MU ships because this one at least can be upgraded and AFAIK those still can't.
I don't want it. But that doesn't mean somebody out there doesn't want to fly one.
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It's already usable on any ship. A special exception doesn't need to be made here - anyone can use it, if they have it.
Well there you go. I don't have it, so I couldn't tell if there were any restrictions on it.
Good news for folks who want to fly a 'dirty' ship!
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It comes down to setting precedents, or improper expectations.
This is the "Blue Box" ship for this Lock Box. That tier of prize does not come with innate abilities, consoles, or traits. Violating that precedent could put us in a bad position for whatever the next Lock Box might be, or might raise requests to have the previous Blue Box ships upgraded to match.
Furthermore, both Theta Radiation and Spatial Charges already exist as Lock Box prizes from the Ferengi and Voth Lock Boxes, respectively. Adding either/both to a new prize, bundled with a ship, would massively devalue those older prizes, as well as potentially altering expectations of how existing prizes could be re-bundled in the future.... What a can of worms!
Ultimately, it's not a matter of being "lazy" as one previous poster put it, or of not having the time. We could have easily put the existing Theta Radiation console on this ship, with minimal time involved. But the potential consequences of that decision weren't worth the risk.
So, in keeping with that setting of expectations, can we please get our Mirror Universe ships Upgradeable to T5-U as all post-DR "Blue Box" ships have been?
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Well there you go. I don't have it, so I couldn't tell if there were any restrictions on it.
Good news for folks who want to fly a 'dirty' ship!
I expected the ship to come with a DoT radiation for the first 5min of an away team beaming down. So I can deal with the balance of not having inherent positives, if it doesn't come with any negatives :P
So, in keeping with that setting of expectations, can we please get our Mirror Universe ships Upgradeable to T5-U as all post-DR "Blue Box" ships have been?
Now THAT would be nice.
Always found it odd that they couldn't be upgraded in the first place.
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
Okay, there's no valid excuse whatsoever now. Give the KDF the K'vort Cryptic. You've demonstrated that you're willing to take canon ships, blow them up in size, and re-purpose them.
Bort you should know that the Melon ship is way more "canon" then the xindi ships if i may put it so.
As its from the Voyager - one of the series that holds closesly to the canon trek, where the xindi are from not popular semi wierd and kinda to far out advanced technologicaly Archer series.
Thats the reason why ppl first watch on the Malon ship and not xindi.
Other then that, is the idea with the BO1 trait rly that smart considering you guy make only antipron weapons viable and they already can go OSS3 (on OP ability) Bo3/Ts2 or OSS2 BO3/TS3 combo with crystaline torp and you want to add more burst ?
Maybe you guys should look at making it more Trek canon and make the torps the burster hits and not a non canon ability like BO.
Also looking at the xindi escort stats its similary tanky to a mogai and as low on turn rate, but the impulse mod is lower then on any other escort, and the wierd part its the boff seating.
The thing that made the t5 bug lose the 1st place on escort power was that he didnt had good a2b setup, and this ship has exacly as poor a2b usage possiblity as the old t5 bug (no eptX3 ability what with his low speed will make him very slow - or do you guy want to make every ship use the overbuffed FBP !).
So either you guys make the fighters strong as hell or the ship will go out subpar to even an old 2,5 year old mogai (who to be fair is still one of the best dogfighters) since it will have similar tankyness and turn rate but no battle cloak and will be slower with little worse boff seating for the fighter.
On the other side where will romulans get some bridges to their ZEN ships? we payed the same amounts of ZEN for ships and have standard 1 bridge from t'liss where feds for their zen get shiny new bridges every time - and their ship cost the same amount of ZEN care to explain why romulans get treated so unfair Bort?
Bort you should know that the Melon ship is way more "canon" then the xindi ships if i may put it so.
As its from the Voyager - one of the series that holds closesly to the canon trek, where the xindi are from not popular semi wierd and kinda to far out advanced technologicaly Archer series.
Thats the reason why ppl first watch on the Malon ship and not xindi.
Not really that for me.
I think Enterprise fits nicely into Trek canon, despite a few inconsistencies, and the Xindi are my personal favorite species/enemy introduced in said show.
Main reason I don't speak more of the Xindi ships is that I just don't really have any interest in them at the moment, due to both the fact that I can't really play a Xindi (save for a Xindi Primate, easily made in the Alien Creator, and a character I have), and that I don't have the money to invest in trying to get one of the ships :rolleyes: Won't deny that they're nice ships though! Especially love the Insectoid ship.
The Malon ship though is another story. I personally liked the concept of their race in Voyager, and I love the heavy industrial look of their ships. The fact that it's the "runner up" prize means that it'll be cheap to get, and I'm pretty sure I can have plenty of fun using it.
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
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https://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/azeti-prime-episode-70/
Also:
https://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/a-red-lobster-dinner-and-xindi-insectizoids/
From the website of John Eaves.
It comes down to setting precedents, or improper expectations.
This is the "Blue Box" ship for this Lock Box. That tier of prize does not come with innate abilities, consoles, or traits. Violating that precedent could put us in a bad position for whatever the next Lock Box might be, or might raise requests to have the previous Blue Box ships upgraded to match.
Furthermore, both Theta Radiation and Spatial Charges already exist as Lock Box prizes from the Ferengi and Voth Lock Boxes, respectively. Adding either/both to a new prize, bundled with a ship, would massively devalue those older prizes, as well as potentially altering expectations of how existing prizes could be re-bundled in the future.... What a can of worms!
Ultimately, it's not a matter of being "lazy" as one previous poster put it, or of not having the time. We could have easily put the existing Theta Radiation console on this ship, with minimal time involved. But the potential consequences of that decision weren't worth the risk.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
1) Can we have those Xindi fighters - especially the Insectoid ship - as personal shuttles? I'd be willing to fork over 500 Zen for one.
2) Will these be added to Foundry at some point?
Anyway, the Ateleth dreadnought is very beautiful. The mastery trait seems very underwhelming. Free BO 1 once in a while ? Meh.
I personally want the 12-tank Export Vessel (seen in the Foundry as the "Malon Dreadnought") as an alternate skin for the Malon Battlecruiser. It's a canon design too!
Fair enough.
Though, seeing as you're posting, can I ask a few things?
A. Does the Malon ship actually have a unique bridge of its own?
B. Does the Malon ship come with a distinct prefix?
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
First off, thank you for responding. I honestly didn't expect to elicit a response from anyone at Cryptic.
I understand the possibility of devaluing other ships by including pre-existing consoles. That makes perfect sense, and seeing as how STO is still at the end of the day a business, it's understandable doing such would be counter-intuitive.
The reason I and a few others were perseverating on it is because the ship and it's capabilities are well established in both the game and in Star Trek canon. When we saw the ship was to be released we'd figured that some of that would translate over to the playable version, because it would be odd not to.
Essentially, it was like releasing a BoP without the ability to cloak. We all know they can cloak, they cloak in-game and in all iterations of Star Trek canon, but because it is a "blue box ship" as you called it, they were stripped of the ability to cloak. Now everyone who was looking forward to this particular BoP is a tad bit confused and disappointed. That is essentially the Malon Ship and the few of us who wanted it right now.
I was the one who said Cryptic was lazy, I was bitterly disappointed and a tad bit upset that a ship I was looking forward to wasn't going to have any of the abilities we'd come to expect it to have. It was childish of me and I apologize, I'll edit my post accordingly.
-Quiiliitiila
It's a pilot passive ability that gives the ship in question a short-radius shield damage aura, with the strength of it dependent on how fast you're going.
(not that dual cannons would help it in any way with such stats, but still...)
I might take the dreadnought, but that's mostly because it's a beautiful ship. I might wait for a lobi discount however.
That's incorrect. You're thinking of Shield Scraping (also from the Pilot spec).
Scratch the Paint grants immunity to one Warp Core Breach every 60sec.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
... sad really , they could have done so many interesting or crazy things with it ...
Technically, the Vent Theta Radiation console is already available to KDF players who own the Scourge Destroyer. Are there any restrictions that would prevent that console from being used on the Malon ship, if the player already has it?
We have precedent for consoles obtained on one ship (Defiant Retrofit) to be used on another (Avenger Battlecruiser).
Seems to me that if a player is able to obtain the console from another ship or lockbox, that it should be usable on the Malon ship.
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Umm, why is a Malon ship included in a Xindi species lockbox in the first place?
Just sayin'
Fed/Vulcan: T'jar Voltek Fleet: Section 31
Fed/Andorian: Lissan Ek'Noor sh'Aqabaa Fleet: Section 31
KDF/Cardi: K'Im Qah da Sian Fleet: Klingon Intelligence
KDF/Reman: R'Chras Jonzor Fleet: Klingon Intelligence
It's already usable on any ship. A special exception doesn't need to be made here - anyone can use it, if they have it.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Ah, confused the two. But that sounds more useful on fighters. I know on my ships, warp core breaches are like bug zappers for fighters.
If I remember right, Vent Theta Radiation is also available from one of the earlier lockboxes, as is Vent Metreon Gas. So you could hammer together using Metreon Gas and Theta Radiation consoles with Vent Warp Plasma and maybe Plasma Emission Torpedo a ship built around gaseous damage clouds.
I'm still surprised we got a Xindi box in the first place.
I'm kinda hoping that we get a Hierarchy ship in the next one, whatever that is... Probably the Herald Box.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
Why were there Mirror Universe ships in any lockbox?
It's just a "bonus" ship that they can make more available than the main lockbox ship because it isn't as valuable.
It's arguably better than those MU ships because this one at least can be upgraded and AFAIK those still can't.
I don't want it. But that doesn't mean somebody out there doesn't want to fly one.
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
Well there you go. I don't have it, so I couldn't tell if there were any restrictions on it.
Good news for folks who want to fly a 'dirty' ship!
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
Would still be nice if it created a decently large Theta Radiation Cloud on defeat (Like the NPC ships can)
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
So, in keeping with that setting of expectations, can we please get our Mirror Universe ships Upgradeable to T5-U as all post-DR "Blue Box" ships have been?
I expected the ship to come with a DoT radiation for the first 5min of an away team beaming down. So I can deal with the balance of not having inherent positives, if it doesn't come with any negatives :P
Now THAT would be nice.
Always found it odd that they couldn't be upgraded in the first place.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
https://mobile.twitter.com/BorticusCryptic/status/590245935461978112
Okay, there's no valid excuse whatsoever now. Give the KDF the K'vort Cryptic. You've demonstrated that you're willing to take canon ships, blow them up in size, and re-purpose them.
Give us a giant Bird of Prey. :P
As its from the Voyager - one of the series that holds closesly to the canon trek, where the xindi are from not popular semi wierd and kinda to far out advanced technologicaly Archer series.
Thats the reason why ppl first watch on the Malon ship and not xindi.
Other then that, is the idea with the BO1 trait rly that smart considering you guy make only antipron weapons viable and they already can go OSS3 (on OP ability) Bo3/Ts2 or OSS2 BO3/TS3 combo with crystaline torp and you want to add more burst ?
Maybe you guys should look at making it more Trek canon and make the torps the burster hits and not a non canon ability like BO.
Also looking at the xindi escort stats its similary tanky to a mogai and as low on turn rate, but the impulse mod is lower then on any other escort, and the wierd part its the boff seating.
The thing that made the t5 bug lose the 1st place on escort power was that he didnt had good a2b setup, and this ship has exacly as poor a2b usage possiblity as the old t5 bug (no eptX3 ability what with his low speed will make him very slow - or do you guy want to make every ship use the overbuffed FBP !).
So either you guys make the fighters strong as hell or the ship will go out subpar to even an old 2,5 year old mogai (who to be fair is still one of the best dogfighters) since it will have similar tankyness and turn rate but no battle cloak and will be slower with little worse boff seating for the fighter.
On the other side where will romulans get some bridges to their ZEN ships? we payed the same amounts of ZEN for ships and have standard 1 bridge from t'liss where feds for their zen get shiny new bridges every time - and their ship cost the same amount of ZEN care to explain why romulans get treated so unfair Bort?
Not really that for me.
I think Enterprise fits nicely into Trek canon, despite a few inconsistencies, and the Xindi are my personal favorite species/enemy introduced in said show.
Main reason I don't speak more of the Xindi ships is that I just don't really have any interest in them at the moment, due to both the fact that I can't really play a Xindi (save for a Xindi Primate, easily made in the Alien Creator, and a character I have), and that I don't have the money to invest in trying to get one of the ships :rolleyes: Won't deny that they're nice ships though! Especially love the Insectoid ship.
The Malon ship though is another story. I personally liked the concept of their race in Voyager, and I love the heavy industrial look of their ships. The fact that it's the "runner up" prize means that it'll be cheap to get, and I'm pretty sure I can have plenty of fun using it.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
Those are Freighter storage tanks underneath. Yes their freighters were well armed but that is not a Battlecruiser.
Even in the Episode: Extreme Risk, that was a Freighter. Malon export vessel, eleventh gradient.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Extreme_Risk_%28episode%29
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Malon_export_vessel,_eleventh_gradient
So much facepalm at this ship being called a Battlecruiser.
Plus side, the Xindi ships look great. Nice updates on the show versions.