So much facepalm at this ship being called a Battlecruiser.
Plus side, the Xindi ships look great. Nice updates on the show versions.
The Battlecruiser is a purely Cryptic design. No Malon ship seen in the show has the double-stacked 8-tank setup.
In addition, not only are Malon ships very well armed, but they have the shield strength and durability to easily fall into the Cruiser classification. Remember that it took Voyager working in concert with three of the Night Alien ships (powerful little vessels in their own right) to take down Controller Emck's 11G Export Vessel.
And the Eleventh Gradient Export Vessels were the -small- ones. There are larger ships that are more likely than not far stronger in terms of shields, weaponry and armor. That particular ship is classified as a Dreadnought in the Foundry, by the way.
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
It's already usable on any ship. A special exception doesn't need to be made here - anyone can use it, if they have it.
Hey Borticus, can we have a science themed box and ship next time around? It has been a while.
No +Damage, +Resistance, + Heal stuff
No Cruisers or escort ships
No consoles that aren't science themed (Something like the command cruiser shield drain one, the Voth Aceton, or Aceton assimilator would be nice)
Just pure science including doffs like the Voth Diplomat one or the reverse TBR.
Hey Borticus, can we have a science themed box and ship next time around? It has been a while.
No +Damage, +Resistance, + Heal stuff
No Cruisers or escort ships
No consoles that aren't science themed (Something like the command cruiser shield drain one, the Voth Aceton, or Aceton assimilator would be nice)
Just pure science including doffs like the Voth Diplomat one or the reverse TBR.
Feds have enough of t6 sci ships - and traits that give +% exotic dmg
Currently t6 escorts are actually the lowest number of faction (dont count in lockbox as they are cross faction).
And ofc the non existant Romulan and KDF t6 sci ships (feds shouldnt get any ships till roms and kdf get their missing ship classes)
Feds have enough of t6 sci ships - and + % exotic dmg
Currently escorts are actually the lowest number of faction (dont count in lockbox) t6 types ships.
And ofc the non existant Romulan and KDF t6 sci ships (feds shouldnt get any ships till roms and kdf get their missing ship classes)
Did I write Fed anywhere there? No.
Yes, I use a Fed captain, but alien ships and lockbox ships are all cross faction.
The KDF and Romulan sides have been asking for good (5 sci console) T6 ships for a while. I do agree with you, the Fed side did get three T6 sci ships, but the only one I would use is the T6 Fleet Dauntless. I don't like the other two.
With all the fighters coming out lately, can we get some updates to some of the older carriers and fighters.
The Atrox could really use some love and the stalker fighters, pretty much all the fighters from the past need a little help to bring up to par.
^This^
I'd like the swarmers to actually do something other than paltry beam overloads. Most other fighters get some decent abilities at elite rarity, but swarmers just stick with beam overload.
Or how about add another swarmer per wave? Kinda silly we call them swarmers but they don't actually swarm and have the same amount deployed per hanger as everything else...
I'd like the swarmers to actually do something other than paltry beam overloads. Most other fighters get some decent abilities at elite rarity, but swarmers just stick with beam overload.
Or how about add another swarmer per wave? Kinda silly we call them swarmers but they don't actually swarm and have the same amount deployed per hanger as everything else...
Jem'Hadar Fighters could use an upgrade too
I'd be perfectly happy if they were equipped with Quantum Torpedoes like the NPC versions are. I think I also saw them using Ramming Speed as well...
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
The Battlecruiser is a purely Cryptic design. No Malon ship seen in the show has the double-stacked 8-tank setup.
Every Malon ship on the show with takes were freighters.
While the pollution in their back story is at crisis, they have a clear SEPARATE organization for volunteers to join crews of Freighters to haul and dispose of it.
Suggestion: There are gear pieces that receive bonuses while equipped on certain ships. Ie. Dominion set gets a bonus when equipped on Dominion and Cardassian ships. Can't remember if Breen does on Breen ships or not but that would make sense.
It would only ENHANCE the value of all three items if the Theta Radiation Vent and Spatial Charge received bonuses when equipped on the Malon Battlecruiser.
Every Malon ship on the show with takes were freighters.
While the pollution in their back story is at crisis, they have a clear SEPARATE organization for volunteers to join crews of Freighters to haul and dispose of it.
Any "tank" designed military ship is ridiculous.
I never said they were military ships. What I'm saying is that their firepower, shield and hull strength/durability can easily put them on par with actual military ships, hence they could technically be classified as such, depending on the type. Hence why I refer to this one as a Battlecruiser.
The Malon are obviously not warlike, and generally won't start fights, but they will finish them.
It would only ENHANCE the value of all three items if the Theta Radiation Vent and Spatial Charge received bonuses when equipped on the Malon Battlecruiser.
They'd need to find ways of working this into things like the APU Cruiser, Kazon Raider and possibly the Mirror ships as well I'd think, to make things fair. Still, I'd support the idea of the Battlecruiser recieveing a set bonus from having the two existing consoles equipped.
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
Devs IMHO you dropped the ball. I wish these had been cross faction Zen ships instead of Lobi deepest pocket gets them ship. So discouraging that lockbox ships get snapped up by a few then never used except to extort obscene prices on the exchange. There should be a cannot be sold or traded thing on them and a limit of one to an account.
Sheshar is a 5/3 Cruiser, but the Galaxy-X is a 4/4.
Both the Jem'Hadar and Narcine are 4/3.
The Ateleth is 4/4...fits in the scope with the Gal-X.
There's a also the Bulwark. Which goes along with the Galaxy-X in that is's a dread cruiser and 4/4 wep setup. (And is the second most manoeuvrable after the new Xindi one.)
Btw, many people are interested in the Malon ship, Borticus, because like the APU cruiser and the Kazon raider, it's a ship seen in canon, yet available to even a regular player. (Same as previous mirror ships, except these can even be upgraded. - Still wish some of my mirror ships were upgradeable, that'd help KDF a great deal.) Lockbox and Lobi ships are mostly very nice, but way out of the average Joe's price range.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Btw, many people are interested in the Malon ship, Borticus, because like the APU cruiser and the Kazon raider, it's a ship seen in canon, yet available to even a regular player. (Same as previous mirror ships, except these can even be upgraded. - Still wish some of my mirror ships were upgradeable, that'd help KDF a great deal.) Lockbox and Lobi ships are mostly very nice, but way out of the average Joe's price range.
I think this is a big part of it. Given the huge price tag of lockbox ships I've seen a lot of people say "nice ship, shame I'll never fly one".
Is there any chances either/both Xindi fighters can be used on other carriers too?
The blog wording suggests they're locked to Xindi ships only.
I'm not liking the fact that all the effort has been made to produce these things but we then can't go and use them on other ship builds.
I never said they were military ships. What I'm saying is that their firepower, shield and hull strength/durability can easily put them on par with actual military ships, hence they could technically be classified as such, depending on the type. Hence why I refer to this one as a Battlecruiser.
The Malon are obviously not warlike, and generally won't start fights, but they will finish them.
They'd need to find ways of working this into things like the APU Cruiser, Kazon Raider and possibly the Mirror ships as well I'd think, to make things fair. Still, I'd support the idea of the Battlecruiser recieveing a set bonus from having the two existing consoles equipped.
The Mirror ships are obsolete and not upgradeable to T5U. I have a feeling they will be further made obsolete with new Mirror ships at some point.
Kazon and APU I can agree with. I think it'd be a great approach to find ways to use the "cheap" ships to drive buzz around older items by finding two or so older items that can get special boosts by equipping on the "Blue Box" ships.
The Mirror ships are obsolete and not upgradeable to T5U. I have a feeling they will be further made obsolete with new Mirror ships at some point.
Kazon and APU I can agree with. I think it'd be a great approach to find ways to use the "cheap" ships to drive buzz around older items by finding two or so older items that can get special boosts by equipping on the "Blue Box" ships.
At the very least, they should make the Mirror ships upgradable to T5U. Like I said before, I've got -no- idea why they didn't bother to allow the upgrades for them.
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
At the very least, they should make the Mirror ships upgradable to T5U. Like I said before, I've got -no- idea why they didn't bother to allow the upgrades for them.
My guess is they either have an alternate method in mind OR they just didn't have the time, since apparently a T5U ship requires a brand new database entry and can be a bit time consuming to get hooked up.
There is no toxic garbage console on the Malon? I´m disapointed
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I just tested the Olaen on tribble, and the fighters do work on the Narcine, but I couldn't equip a frigate from it on the Olaen.
Frigate pets are generally locked to the specific (2-hangar) carrier they get unlocked with.
B'Rels for Vo'quvs, Fer'Jais for Kar'fis, JHAS for the Jem Dread (requires a JHAS in addition to that), Mesh Weavers for the Recluse...
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Devs IMHO you dropped the ball. I wish these had been cross faction Zen ships instead of Lobi deepest pocket gets them ship. So discouraging that lockbox ships get snapped up by a few then never used except to extort obscene prices on the exchange. There should be a cannot be sold or traded thing on them and a limit of one to an account.
I honestly do not understand this argument at all.
Zen ships: require Zen, which can either be purchased with real-world money or traded for dilithium.
Lobi ships: require Lobi from lockboxes; master keys can either be purchased with real-world money or purchased on the Exchange for EC.
Both can be purchased, albeit indirectly, using in-game currency. Zen ships require dilithium, which is time-gated. Master Keys require EC; 2.5 million each right now, but typically anywhere from 2.2 to 2.4.
Here's the big difference, though: Lobi ships can be traded as long as they are still boxed.
The 300-Lobi small craft go for around 50 MEC, or the equivalent of about 20 master keys--which makes sense, since that's about the average of how many boxes you'd have to open to get Lobi (which is random). The bigger ones depend on demand, but are usually at least twice that.
At current exchange rates, 1 Zen = 230 dil = 20000 EC, which makes a 2000 Zen ship worth around 40 MEC. But for the C-Store ship, there's no real way to take your EC and directly turn it into dil to buy that ship at that price. The closest is really turning in contraband, but that is still time-gated by your refining limit.
Sure, you could just take $20 and buy it straight from the C-Store. But if you had the real-world money to do that, you could also buy keys and sell them on the Exchange for EC, and use the funds to go buy a Lobi ship.
Bottom line: you can get both kinds of ships with dil or real-world money. But you can purchase Lobi ships for EC, which is trivial to farm and not time-gated--either directly from the Exchange, or indirectly by buying master keys on the Exchange and using them to collect Lobi from boxes, which also gives you the chance of getting something rare that you can also sell on the Exchange.
So tell me again how Lobi ships are the ones for the people with deep pockets?
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Is there any chance that the malon will be able to drop toxic stuff some day? Im not interested in doing super heavy dps with it, but hey, I can´t fly a garbage ship without garbage, thats GARBAGE!!! Sorry, this is something that rly needs to be re-considered!
I got a B o n e r while buying 3 of them super cheap on the exchange, but now... without garbage its just a random different looking battlecruiser.
At least make the warp plasma eject look like garbage!
Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES.Much PAIN but still time.BELIEVE.There is GOOD out there.We oPpose DECEPTION.COnduit CLOSING/
Well, look at it this way: The Xindi design is canon (albeit in a different size), the Plesh Brekk frigate is Cryptic original. So... uhh, you got it backwards if anything.
Is there any chance that the malon will be able to drop toxic stuff some day? Im not interested in doing super heavy dps with it, but hey, I can´t fly a garbage ship without garbage, thats GARBAGE!!! Sorry, this is something that rly needs to be re-considered!
I got a B o n e r while buying 3 of them super cheap on the exchange, but now... without garbage its just a random different looking battlecruiser.
At least make the warp plasma eject look like garbage!
The Metreon Gas canisters console is available to all factions and creates a brown (exploding) cloud. Does that qualify as garbage?
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
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The Battlecruiser is a purely Cryptic design. No Malon ship seen in the show has the double-stacked 8-tank setup.
In addition, not only are Malon ships very well armed, but they have the shield strength and durability to easily fall into the Cruiser classification. Remember that it took Voyager working in concert with three of the Night Alien ships (powerful little vessels in their own right) to take down Controller Emck's 11G Export Vessel.
And the Eleventh Gradient Export Vessels were the -small- ones. There are larger ships that are more likely than not far stronger in terms of shields, weaponry and armor. That particular ship is classified as a Dreadnought in the Foundry, by the way.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
The Atrox could really use some love and the stalker fighters, pretty much all the fighters from the past need a little help to bring up to par.
Hey Borticus, can we have a science themed box and ship next time around? It has been a while.
No +Damage, +Resistance, + Heal stuff
No Cruisers or escort ships
No consoles that aren't science themed (Something like the command cruiser shield drain one, the Voth Aceton, or Aceton assimilator would be nice)
Just pure science including doffs like the Voth Diplomat one or the reverse TBR.
Feds have enough of t6 sci ships - and traits that give +% exotic dmg
Currently t6 escorts are actually the lowest number of faction (dont count in lockbox as they are cross faction).
And ofc the non existant Romulan and KDF t6 sci ships (feds shouldnt get any ships till roms and kdf get their missing ship classes)
Did I write Fed anywhere there? No.
Yes, I use a Fed captain, but alien ships and lockbox ships are all cross faction.
The KDF and Romulan sides have been asking for good (5 sci console) T6 ships for a while. I do agree with you, the Fed side did get three T6 sci ships, but the only one I would use is the T6 Fleet Dauntless. I don't like the other two.
I'd like the swarmers to actually do something other than paltry beam overloads. Most other fighters get some decent abilities at elite rarity, but swarmers just stick with beam overload.
Or how about add another swarmer per wave? Kinda silly we call them swarmers but they don't actually swarm and have the same amount deployed per hanger as everything else...
Jem'Hadar Fighters could use an upgrade too
I'd be perfectly happy if they were equipped with Quantum Torpedoes like the NPC versions are. I think I also saw them using Ramming Speed as well...
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
There's Dreadnought Cruiser.
There's Dreadnought Warbird.
There's Dreadnought Carrier.
Setups will vary.
Scimitar et al are 5/3 Warbirds.
Sheshar is a 5/3 Cruiser, but the Galaxy-X is a 4/4.
Both the Jem'Hadar and Narcine are 4/3.
The Ateleth is 4/4...fits in the scope with the Gal-X.
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Every Malon ship on the show with takes were freighters.
While the pollution in their back story is at crisis, they have a clear SEPARATE organization for volunteers to join crews of Freighters to haul and dispose of it.
Any "tank" designed military ship is ridiculous.
Letting your bridge crew fly it, eh?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
It would only ENHANCE the value of all three items if the Theta Radiation Vent and Spatial Charge received bonuses when equipped on the Malon Battlecruiser.
I never said they were military ships. What I'm saying is that their firepower, shield and hull strength/durability can easily put them on par with actual military ships, hence they could technically be classified as such, depending on the type. Hence why I refer to this one as a Battlecruiser.
The Malon are obviously not warlike, and generally won't start fights, but they will finish them.
They'd need to find ways of working this into things like the APU Cruiser, Kazon Raider and possibly the Mirror ships as well I'd think, to make things fair. Still, I'd support the idea of the Battlecruiser recieveing a set bonus from having the two existing consoles equipped.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
There's a also the Bulwark. Which goes along with the Galaxy-X in that is's a dread cruiser and 4/4 wep setup. (And is the second most manoeuvrable after the new Xindi one.)
Btw, many people are interested in the Malon ship, Borticus, because like the APU cruiser and the Kazon raider, it's a ship seen in canon, yet available to even a regular player. (Same as previous mirror ships, except these can even be upgraded. - Still wish some of my mirror ships were upgradeable, that'd help KDF a great deal.) Lockbox and Lobi ships are mostly very nice, but way out of the average Joe's price range.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Damn it man.
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The blog wording suggests they're locked to Xindi ships only.
I'm not liking the fact that all the effort has been made to produce these things but we then can't go and use them on other ship builds.
The Mirror ships are obsolete and not upgradeable to T5U. I have a feeling they will be further made obsolete with new Mirror ships at some point.
Kazon and APU I can agree with. I think it'd be a great approach to find ways to use the "cheap" ships to drive buzz around older items by finding two or so older items that can get special boosts by equipping on the "Blue Box" ships.
At the very least, they should make the Mirror ships upgradable to T5U. Like I said before, I've got -no- idea why they didn't bother to allow the upgrades for them.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
My guess is they either have an alternate method in mind OR they just didn't have the time, since apparently a T5U ship requires a brand new database entry and can be a bit time consuming to get hooked up.
Frigate pets are generally locked to the specific (2-hangar) carrier they get unlocked with.
B'Rels for Vo'quvs, Fer'Jais for Kar'fis, JHAS for the Jem Dread (requires a JHAS in addition to that), Mesh Weavers for the Recluse...
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Zen ships: require Zen, which can either be purchased with real-world money or traded for dilithium.
Lobi ships: require Lobi from lockboxes; master keys can either be purchased with real-world money or purchased on the Exchange for EC.
Both can be purchased, albeit indirectly, using in-game currency. Zen ships require dilithium, which is time-gated. Master Keys require EC; 2.5 million each right now, but typically anywhere from 2.2 to 2.4.
Here's the big difference, though: Lobi ships can be traded as long as they are still boxed.
The 300-Lobi small craft go for around 50 MEC, or the equivalent of about 20 master keys--which makes sense, since that's about the average of how many boxes you'd have to open to get Lobi (which is random). The bigger ones depend on demand, but are usually at least twice that.
At current exchange rates, 1 Zen = 230 dil = 20000 EC, which makes a 2000 Zen ship worth around 40 MEC. But for the C-Store ship, there's no real way to take your EC and directly turn it into dil to buy that ship at that price. The closest is really turning in contraband, but that is still time-gated by your refining limit.
Sure, you could just take $20 and buy it straight from the C-Store. But if you had the real-world money to do that, you could also buy keys and sell them on the Exchange for EC, and use the funds to go buy a Lobi ship.
Bottom line: you can get both kinds of ships with dil or real-world money. But you can purchase Lobi ships for EC, which is trivial to farm and not time-gated--either directly from the Exchange, or indirectly by buying master keys on the Exchange and using them to collect Lobi from boxes, which also gives you the chance of getting something rare that you can also sell on the Exchange.
So tell me again how Lobi ships are the ones for the people with deep pockets?
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I got a B o n e r while buying 3 of them super cheap on the exchange, but now... without garbage its just a random different looking battlecruiser.
At least make the warp plasma eject look like garbage!
The Metreon Gas canisters console is available to all factions and creates a brown (exploding) cloud. Does that qualify as garbage?
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!