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We are survivors of a doomed expedition. Delta Recruitment is a failure.
emacsheadroom
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Considering the gap in reputation and R&D once you hit 50, I don't see veterans' alts being used after they finish the Breen arc and I certainly don't see many new players wanting to keep playing when they'll still be lightyears behind veteran players. Delta Recruitment shouldn't be a month only event, it should be a permanent fixture for the game. Why? Because this game is not retaining new players:
The queues are still dead, so where are all the new players grinding for marks after hitting 50? They're nowhere to be found.
The sheer cost of getting decent gear at endgame is more than a non-paying or non-veteran player can handle. Whether new players need decent gear to be competitive is irrelevant because the only draw of endgame play is the promise of better gear.
As others have pointed out, the global goals are already not being met fast enough. This tells me that the majority of Delta recruits are done with the event and not enough new recruits are replacing them. That high and beautiful wave which we all rode the crest of has already broken and fallen back.
The only purpose of Delta Recruitment has been to pad out player numbers in the vain hope that enough of them will be retained until the end of the month to prevent season 10 from becoming "Delta Rising 2: Electric Boogaloo". The look of the Heralds and the new Iconian reputation armor does little to dissuade me from this conclusion.
The queues are still dead, so where are all the new players grinding for marks after hitting 50? They're nowhere to be found.
The sheer cost of getting decent gear at endgame is more than a non-paying or non-veteran player can handle. Whether new players need decent gear to be competitive is irrelevant because the only draw of endgame play is the promise of better gear.
As others have pointed out, the global goals are already not being met fast enough. This tells me that the majority of Delta recruits are done with the event and not enough new recruits are replacing them. That high and beautiful wave which we all rode the crest of has already broken and fallen back.
The only purpose of Delta Recruitment has been to pad out player numbers in the vain hope that enough of them will be retained until the end of the month to prevent season 10 from becoming "Delta Rising 2: Electric Boogaloo". The look of the Heralds and the new Iconian reputation armor does little to dissuade me from this conclusion.
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To be honest it seems like some you will complain about anything.
I always welcome the voice of the minority.
I'm certainly not complaining. I'm just the man with the sign on the street yelling out the truth to everyone.
Your not talking for everyone though. You say he is the voice of the minority but maybe just maybe you are.
And that saying your the guy on the street yelling the truth isn't quite the example to set cause most of the time they are the ones shouting doom the end is nigh when yes one day maybe but not today my friend.
but yea im not even playing my delta recruit anymore, focused on spec points for my maaaaain!
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Wait what? How can you be sure He/she is a minority?
Is it because YOU feel that the DR event is a failure, or do you have some kind of facts to support your statement apart from your personal opinion?
The problem is the practice. They've essentially allowed recruits the ability to get to level 50 really quickly with the room to still level up to 60. I won't put an exact figure on it but I'd argue less than 50% of the game progression by far. Why so low? Because the multiple reputations, spec trees (which unlike reputations came out with DR so it's new for all of us) make up one gigantic wall at endgame.
Okay so we've got a max limit of reputation powers we can use at once and spec trees which keeps vets in check and yes after 5 years I don't think I'd be overly thrilled someone joining fresh and within a week being level with me reputation and spec points too.
Really Cryptic have given players a leg up in the easiest/shortest part of progression to help them catch up with the vet players but it was only in DR we got slapped with spec trees which are being milked and reputations which are at least being added gradually but to a delta recruit they are going to hit level 50 and be met with so much endgame grinding with so little content.
If I was a fresh recruit I'd look at the endgame grind and give up feeling there's no genuine progression other than to get from 50 to 60, get access to T6 ships and elite difficulty which I probably wouldn't be able to manage without getting past the grind wall. I'd have enjoyed the episodes and the story, do a bit of the PVE missions but other than that go back to whatever I was doing before trying out STO. Thinking about it if Cryptic wanted us to try each faction I'd definitely not bother, it's bad enough grinding for 1 character but 3?
Alt unfriendly and the grind wall at endgame are what would put me off.
You mean like one of those wackos with a "repent your sins - the end is near" sign?
So you speak for everyone and your a damn prophet. Pretty high opinion you have of yourself eh?
The fact you believe a troll about not meeting goals fast enough shows this.
I deleted my recruits after unlocking the account rewards. 6 of my 7 existing toons were already inactive due to forced obsolesence--their stables of Fleet T5 ships are at a technological dead-end, and more than one toon is unneeded for PVE, so I am only using one toon for whatever content comes along. Another toon for replaying the same PVE over and over is redundant, and any money I spent on the character would be wasted.
Some folks are not happy.
They don't like each other.
The end.
If you look at the 3 month chart you will see that the hump is larger than both the anniversary and crystalline events.
Gearing up a new character is determined by the limiting factor: spec points, fleet credits, or marks/dil
For me it's fleet credits. Yet I expect to have him up to speed in about 1 month.
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I see your point, but "this event/season/release sucks/fails" has been a thing on the STO forums for awhile. Every Season is a failure. Every ship released sucks. Every reputation is a pointless grind. I thought the "no doom threads" in the FCT were referring specifically to the state of the game, not bits of it.
The STO forums are for complaining and hate. It's a convenient place to collect it. That and ESD, though I have noticed more idiocy dribbling into Qo'nos. Just to be expected though. With all the new Delta Recruits, the chances of more trolls joining the KDF goes up.
Read my first post.
Certainly not high enough.
Yours is the majority perspective.
If the long term goal was attracting a new wave of players and retaining them, it's already doomed to failure. Endgame is a pointless waste of time; this has not been addressed and still won't be with season 10.
Please provide this information so we can discuss whether your theory holds water.
Oh dear, you're one of those guys who doesn't notice or acknowledge a trend without being handed an in-depth report of empirical data painstakingly defined, delineated, gathered, compiled, analysed, signed, stamped, sanctioned, numbered, and approved by peer review. You must be German.
Please get back to me in June or July and tell me if he still plays the game.
Speaking of minority. We are the minority on the forums. As many players don't even visit the forums and some don't even the website. Only a few of us actually care to chat about it. At times I rather not come on forums due to "forum attitude." Which I don't blame people for not wanting to be on the forums due to the horrible, deplorable attitudes. And go back to what I used to do on wow. Just read the news page for any new stuff coming out and move on. This is part of the reason why I don't do group missions anymore or PVP.
As you saying its a failure, its just your opinion.
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Of course, this doesn't mean your conclusions can't be borne out. It is unfortunately a very real possibility given the state of the grind past 50. But actually seeing data is what confirms or denies it. "Being German" has nothing to do with that.
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You like star trek AND you make generalizations based on nationality?! Lawl lawl so rich
Hahah gtfo loser
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But in the next demand....
Empirical data?
Question: why do you assume that a "new player" would have super-blasted through all the leveling content already, to be grinding marks in the queues?
I'm also curious as to what you consider "decent gear". Not to refute anything in your post, I'm just honestly curious. (I wonder if my main that I've played on-and-off for 3+ years has decent gear...... likely not, since I'm not a big "endgame" guy.)
Do you mean that one dude who's going on and on about how we didn't get T3 XP bonus? The first week fell short of Tier 3 by 6%, apparently. How is this "goals aren't being met fast enough?"
Seriously, what does that even mean? "Fast enough." Would there have been some extra prize if T1 had been hit in 3 hours, T2 in one day, T3 in three days? Would T1 have to have been hit in half the time it was, in order for the event to be "a success"?
(As I mentioned in the other thread, I honestly think the three-tier system was designed to not be maxed out at T3, unless people went totally uber-grind nuts. I have no problem having a multi-stage contest with an unreachable final goal - gotta have something out there in front to ever strive for, right?)
Well based on the forums, I expected this. All the super-grinders going on about how many DR's they slammed to 50 in the first few days..... that's insane, and if ipeople expected it to keep that pace up for four weeks, they're deluded.
(And based on the new week's contest - do Doff missions - I think Cryptic wasn't expecting people to keep leveling new DR's either. But they are trying to encourage people to keep playing them. Not make new ones.)
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Personally, my DR is partway into the Romulan arc, in the mid-high-30's (pesky XP bonus week, TRIBBLE up my leveling curve.....
If you want to get all MKIV,then yes you have a lot more investment, but you don't need MKIV. Or if you want fleet gear, but then all you need is fleet credits and dil. Or if you want a particular piece of rep gear.
But getting decent gear is not that hard.
Dude he's not a loser....he speaks for the majority of sto players that like standing on street corners telling every person that passes by how they are going to hell.
Nah, I'm happy to take your word for the data you present without having the option to double check or review your methodology. If you had provided ANY data that is.
Now don't get me wrong, I appreciate a good dose of hyperbole as much as the next guy, but don't pretend like I'm being the stuffy, unreasonable German shutting down discussion with my demands when all you're doing is engaging in rank, ignorant speculation.
I'm now a couple of story arcs into my Ferasan engineer
Next week I'll start some sort of liberated borg romulan/reman
What I think is awesome, is that this week's goal is to do with doffing. Which means we can play our mains again and just log into our DR's every once in a while to start new assignments.
While I don't have any hard numbers (impossible for any player to come up with), it still feels, like it didn't bring in too many new players. From observation, it seems like players have shifted from normal endgame to Delta recruitment, and levelling zone are crowded again, but there aren't too many genuinely new players around.
When they switched from P2P to F2P or when LoR launched, you could feel that there were new players around. Tons of basic "newb" questions about the game in the forum and chats, new handles all over the place in various channels, bad builds, people using the most pointless skills, people looking for groups etc...
Currently it just feels like "business as usual".
If the goal was to create an influx of new players, it seems like it failed. If it was the goal to encourage existing players to create an alt and give them something to do with minimal developmental effort, it might have been a success.