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    architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I wish I only would have bought one scim instead of the three pack. I don't by Zen ships anymore, just lobi and lockbox on the exchange . . . JHDC, JHEC, JHAS, monbosh, hazari, manasa, cell ship . . . Haven't tried out the boxed up Nicor, benthan cruiser or the whale carrier yet.
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    dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    They may be suitable for the end-game you participate in, doesn't mean they are suitable for the end-game I built them for.

    Before you go off on me and start flipping out about how T5 / FT5 / the various T5Us / whatnot does and doesn't stack up in combat against the various T6s, I'm going to play this card:

    You built your (F)T5s to combat other (F)T5s. While at the time that was "the" Endgame, now it's just "endgame for that ship rank".

    Therefore, you (and your PvP comrades) can just go ahead and ignore that entire "T6" entry in the shipyard(s), and PvP away to your hearts content in your (F)T5s. Kinda like people are PvPing away in "vanilla" builds or whatever-the-heck-the-group's-rules-du-jour are.

    Kerrat? I'd think that the "die hard PvP types" would be itching at the bit to see if they can build (F)T5s that can curb-stomp T6s. Istvaan has such a build for a Nicor that he's advertised on this very forum. Nevermind the usual Scimitar(d) commentary...

    PvP (besides the very alive and well Forum PvP) is as dead or alive as the PvPers want it to be. Hopefully, continued attempts by the "old school PvPers" to PvP in this game might eventually convince a Dev or even our (new) EP that putting even a modicum of focus on PvP might be worth their while. Constant "I ran away because I hate T6 / the latest lockbox hyper console / whatnot" is just telling people that there's no market to cater to.
    Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...

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    zathri83zathri83 Member Posts: 514 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    lolpvp

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    thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Wouldn't call it "Remorse" but given recent developments I certainly have "Starship Buyer's Awareness" ... I don't really see the point in buying Ships anymore i.E. Command Ships, if Pilot Ships are just around the corner, soon followed by the next Thing & the next Promo etc etc ...

    It's getting kind of ridiculous, like someone changing Smartphones every 2 months ...

    ... it might be "Nice" to have the new stuff, but I don't really care anymore ... same with Upgrading from Mk XII to Mk XIV ... what's the point (coming from someone who has ~5 Million Dilithium piled up) ...
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    sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    d'deridex and faeht
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    thatcursedwolfthatcursedwolf Member Posts: 1,617 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Wouldn't call it "Remorse" but given recent developments I certainly have "Starship Buyer's Awareness" ... I don't really see the point in buying Ships anymore i.E. Command Ships, if Pilot Ships are just around the corner, soon followed by the next Thing & the next Promo etc etc ...

    It's getting kind of ridiculous, like someone changing Smartphones every 2 months ...

    At least they aren't rolling out T7 ships.

    This mostly horizontal obsolescence is a lot more tolerable than the vertical one of new tiers.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Wouldn't call it "Remorse" but given recent developments I certainly have "Starship Buyer's Awareness" ... I don't really see the point in buying Ships anymore i.E. Command Ships, if Pilot Ships are just around the corner, soon followed by the next Thing & the next Promo etc etc ...

    It's getting kind of ridiculous, like someone changing Smartphones every 2 months ...

    Buy what you like the appearance of, they are all capable of good decent builds, even the somewhat underpowered ones.

    If you already have a ship you like the aesthetics of, don't buy anything else. I look at specs,consoles, and traits as simple bonuses.
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    ussprometheus79ussprometheus79 Member Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Apart from the DR ships which came in the pack, I haven't bought new ships in over a year. There is just nothing that I need or want.

    I just don't have the inclination to buy new ships just for certain abilities such as command or intel for example. Just not interested.

    Now a T6 Defiant....
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    royalsovereignroyalsovereign Member Posts: 1,344 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    nadiezja wrote: »
    You PvP in your car?
    Perhaps he lives in Dallas. Driving there at rush hour certainly feels like PvP. Which probably explains why I have no desire to move there.
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    gurluasgurluas Member Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Probably the D'kyr, my main is a unificationist Fed Romulan with most of the crew composed of Vulcans. And I really wanted a Vulcan ship, but the D'kyr is Federation only.

    Every patch I hope for a bug so I can claim it, but it's been to no avail so far.
    At least I got a Tal'kyr shuttle though.
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    bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    My biggest remorse is that I don't have enough characters or time to fly them all.

    I have a bunch of ships in boxes -- like Mirror ships, T5 Ambassador Anniversary, Obelisk carrier -- that I'm going to end up throwing away because I have lots of other ships available to fly. I have remorse for that.

    I think I'm going to find that buying a lot of T6 ships will not serve me well. I don't have time to hit T5 Mastery on all of the ships I already have. Continuing to collect them just because or to get another gimmick console/set I don't have room to equip makes less and less sense.

    From now on, I'm going to be looking hard at themed ship builds. If they don't fit an existing character or inspire a new one, I've got to think twice and thrice so that I DON'T get buyer's remorse. I hate that.
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    orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Galaxy-X - Perhaps the first ship I ever bought. Back in the old old days it wasn't so bad for PvE thanks to DHCs (beam build wasn't as effective back then), but useless for PvP. But man the turnrate drove me nuts.

    Fed Heavy Escort Carrier - I remember thinking "Akira class! Woohoo" when it was released and got it right away. A few weeks later we got Starbases, with the Fleet Akira requiring a T5 shipyard. I was really annoyed. By the time we reached T5 the Akira was well and truly obsolete and I was flying a Mobius.
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    drakethewhitedrakethewhite Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    orondis wrote: »
    Galaxy-X - Perhaps the first ship I ever bought. Back in the old old days it wasn't so bad for PvE thanks to DHCs (beam build wasn't as effective back then), but useless for PvP. But man the turnrate drove me nuts.

    Fed Heavy Escort Carrier - I remember thinking "Akira class! Woohoo" when it was released and got it right away. A few weeks later we got Starbases, with the Fleet Akira requiring a T5 shipyard. I was really annoyed. By the time we reached T5 the Akira was well and truly obsolete and I was flying a Mobius.

    I have the Akira and rather like it. Never did understand why it took a T5 shipyard however, that was really too much for the role it likely played in Star Fleet.

    I still have a mind to swap back to it someday if they every make Fighters worth something.
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    nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    orondis wrote: »
    Fed Heavy Escort Carrier - I remember thinking "Akira class! Woohoo" when it was released and got it right away. A few weeks later we got Starbases, with the Fleet Akira requiring a T5 shipyard. I was really annoyed. By the time we reached T5 the Akira was well and truly obsolete and I was flying a Mobius.
    i haven't even upgraded it and i still find it a useful ship.
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    spock1190spock1190 Member Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I have the Akira and rather like it. Never did understand why it took a T5 shipyard however, that was really too much for the role it likely played in Star Fleet.

    I still have a mind to swap back to it someday if they every make Fighters worth something.

    I use the T-5U version and it's far from obsolete. It's by far the best fleet escort available currently. Save perhaps the defiant. It's basically the Fleet patrol escort with a bonus hangar bay. A good jump off point for me until fleet T6 arrives. It's too late for me to fork over cash for the T6 C-store ships as they will have superior replacements soon.
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    alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,413 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Ops Odyssey, but only because of the pet saucer that's simply for all practical purposes broken.

    If Devs bothered to give it carrier commands, some good AI, ability to actually fly it yourself, a boost to its weapons, and a UI that tells you whether it's even still alive (without having to pin-lock target every single time), it would have been great.

    I have watched as during the last mirror invasion the Saucer would cruise in and out of range of both the ship and enemy NPCs, doing nothing at all, or occasionally firing a phaser or two, before resuming its pointless patrol.

    Instead, it just sits there in the C-store for 2500zen plus upgrade costs, or the 4000 zen bundle that I'm so glad I did not get, while the T6 intels just run circles around it.

    Despite looking great, it also fails to set the stage for what follows it, the Guardian, which looks like it abandoned the streamline elegant look altogether, as if to provide those to whom the exotic look of intel ships was not appealing a filler to make sure they're satisfied too.

    The Odyssey is the fed flagship. 2500+ Zen is a good deal of cash or in-game credits. It is much too late for a fix, I'll stick to role-playing in the ship.

    This is the very reason I won't touch the Prometheus as I've heard the AI is equally vacant.
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    nadiezjanadiezja Member Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Ops Odyssey, but only because of the pet saucer that's simply for all practical purposes broken.

    If Devs bothered to give it carrier commands, some good AI, ability to actually fly it yourself, a boost to its weapons, and a UI that tells you whether it's even still alive (without having to pin-lock target every single time), it would have been great.

    I have watched as during the last mirror invasion the Saucer would cruise in and out of range of both the ship and enemy NPCs, doing nothing at all, or occasionally firing a phaser or two, before resuming its pointless patrol.

    Instead, it just sits there in the C-store for 2500zen plus upgrade costs, or the 4000 zen bundle that I'm so glad I did not get, while the T6 intels just run circles around it.

    Despite looking great, it also fails to set the stage for what follows it, the Guardian, which looks like it abandoned the streamline elegant look altogether, as if to provide those to whom the exotic look of intel ships was not appealing a filler to make sure they're satisfied too.

    The Odyssey is the fed flagship. 2500+ Zen is a good deal of cash or in-game credits. It is much too late for a fix, I'll stick to role-playing in the ship.

    This is the very reason I won't touch the Prometheus as I've heard the AI is equally vacant.

    I do wish component pets had a UI that told you their health and let you issue commands. Been having that issue with Aeroshuttle.
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    drakethewhitedrakethewhite Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Interesting that the Odyssey turns up on so many people's list. It was quite the failure, mostly as a result of when it was introduced into the game IMO.

    They really should have waited and made the flagships the first of the T6 vessels, the disappointment of having them (well the Fed and KDF ones anyway) overshadowed by other older ships let alone newer ones that came out later was too much.

    Myself, I'm rather happy it went that way. As I said, I grew to hate the looks of the Odyssey so where it ended up is fine with me. And the KDF flagship is just as bad in that department.
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    razar2380razar2380 Member Posts: 1,186 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Personally, I don't regret the time I got to enjoy my C-Store ships before DR. I do regret getting the Fleet Defiant though. I have flown other fleet ships that friends had, and am glad that I never wasted the resources on anymore.

    They are not ships, but after DR, I do regret all the characters I created, and the character slots I bought. Some with Dil exchanged, and some with Zen that others got for me as a gift.

    But, I am 100% F2P now, so I see it as a lesson learned. The only game that I would spend any money on (if I had any income) now would be Elite Dangerous. And that would only be the $60 (US) needed to but it.
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    bunansabunansa Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Oddysey was my hate, Suppose to be the biggest, best ship the feds could roll out with, and since we have so overpassed it in powers (creeps) that it isn't even worthy of being an Enterprise
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    reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I have like half the T5 Cstore but 3 in particular have always bugged me

    Regent: The Odyssey I already had just worked better for me, and while the wide-angle torp was conceptually cool, straight kinetic weapons like that don't really DO much in this game. Ended up trying it only briefly and going back to the Odyssey I was flying before.

    B'rel: The iconic Klingon ship, had to have it. Except using the EBC well is actually pretty difficult and very specialized in where one DOES use it, and if you aren't using the EBC then you may as well use the freebie Hegh'ta. Bums me out but I've just never been able to really put this thing to proper use.

    KDF C-Store Dyson: Only a middling sci ship to begin with (particularly since I was used to a Vesta for my Fed-Sci, but this was the best my KDF-Sci could get), then the 5U thing came out which gave a free upgrade to the freebie Dyson and made it superior to the paid counterpart. Sure I could have dropped a 5U token onto the paid version, but since I wasn't that attached to the thing to begin with why throw good money after bad? In the end its something I never liked, and the KDF-Sci in question went back to her BoPs. Just a waste.
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    seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    khan5000 wrote: »
    My only issue with the ship is it looks like the Galaxy's younger brother and I am not to fond of that ship's look. I was hoping cruises would keep the looks of the Sovereign and Oddy.

    That was my issue as well. I was going from a FACR to a Tier 6 and the Guardian didn't feel like the natural successor to my FACR. My Fed always flies the same ship, I just augment the Registry to A,B, C, etc. So where the FACR was the C the Guardian was the D and it didn't feel right.

    The Presidio served as a much more fitting successor to my Assault Cruiser. The Guardian is a good ship, but if I could get that 3k Zen back I would do it in a heartbeat.
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    drakethewhitedrakethewhite Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The Presidio served as a much more fitting successor to my Assault Cruiser. The Guardian is a good ship, but if I could get that 3k Zen back I would do it in a heartbeat.

    I see a lot of those flying around these days, and it's now my favorite ship.

    When they were first announced, the reaction was quite negative. But a bit after they arrived they look to be very successful to me, they clearly did something right when they designed her.
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    oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The Odyssey Bundle- What a whale. At first I thought it looked... well OK. Not outstanding, but OK. But it was such a slug. And the consoles looked exciting, but in the end were so underwhelming. And the more I used it, the more ugly it became.



    It's a big cruiser in the "old school" vein. Of course it's not going handle like an Excelsior.



    I've been running an Operations variant for a long time now, on one character. It's solid, if uninspired, when it comes to performance. I've been happy with it. Enough so that I did the T5U upgrade on it.




    Galaxy X- It was what? The first special ship offered wasn't it? For getting another player to join? Then it went to the C-Store. I have no idea why I got it (or even how I got it, memory fades). Perhaps it was because the game was young and everything seemed worth trying out (there wasn't that much yet). I think I flew it twice or something like that.



    I wasn't impressed with the Galaxy-X when I tried it out on the aforementioned character. But since the tweaking, it's been good enough for me for "generalist" play on one of my later characters. It's gotten the T5U treatment and I'm seriously considering going for the Fleet variant, something I wouldn't do if I thought it was completely sucktastic. But I will concede that it's probably not a good choice for the min-maxxer or hardcore PvPer.



    Nebula- Again early in the game. Brought it for my science alt. Never really used it. Ugly, and not very effective unless you completely focused on abilities that I didn't find to be very Star Fleet like.



    The Nebula/Magellan isn't the best "all rounder" science vessel out there in my humble opinion. That honor belongs to the Vesta line (once again, in my opinion). But it works, as far as I'm concerned. I run a T5U C-Store version on the last character I rolled up (Science Officer), and I've been pleased with it. I would really love to go the Fleet route with it.




    Disclaimer: The above was subjective and reflects only my views. I don't expect everyone or anyone to agree. If I slammed your favorite ship, it's not personal just how I reacted to them.




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    marinesrule1983marinesrule1983 Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Well had I known, being a tactical character in all three: Fed, Klingon and Romulan, that none of the (all nine) T6 ships did not have a tactical command slot, I would not have spent the money for them. That is a massive rip off if you ask me.

    Oh well live and learn.

    Why in hell didn't they at least make the ships have at least 1 four slot for each type of BOFF, they're T6 for god sake.
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    bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I have been most disappointed with the dyson mega bundle ships mostly because upgrading them all to T5u requires 9 upgrade tokens, one for each of the 9 ships.
    I would have been a lot more happier if this only required 3 upgrade tokens 1 for each factions set within the bundle.

    as it stands I have only been able to upgrade 1 of the dyson bundle ships from each faction, I just cant see it being worth upgrading them all as I can only use 1 dyson ship from the set at at any time from each faction.
    I just think its so unfair to be required to pay 4500zen to completely upgrade a ship set that cost 10,000zen, that works out at a 45% increase on the original price to upgrade all 9 ships, how they think they can justify this I just don't know.

    if I had know this was going to be the case I would have never bothered to buy this set and I would have kept the free event dyson ships I had before I bought the set and could have upgraded them for free.

    as it stands I will probably only ever use the dyson ships I have upgraded, its just not worth swapping them round to use the T5 ships I will not upgrade.

    it only makes it worse that this T5 upgrading came in only a few months after I bought the set in the first place.

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    lingeringsoul888lingeringsoul888 Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I have no regrets. I bought an Oddysey at a time when I didn't know any better and only for looks. IT served its purpose well enough at the time. As I learned more about sto, I bought the avenger, which perfectly suited to what I'm doing now which is building up dps. I also bought the guardian, my god I love that ship. even though it's not a huge dps monster, its got enough abilities to make it fun.

    The only ship I didn't feel the fun factor was the Samsar cruiser, even though it's free. The ship had no potential to do any decent damage. All it was good for taking a beating and doing mass heals to get 1st in CE.

    Best experience so far was buying the APU cruiser, for ****s and giggles and giggles I had....lots of it. Mounted single cannons and turrets and all day long, pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew
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    bcwhguderian1941bcwhguderian1941 Member Posts: 804 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Only "regret" (more of a foolish purchase) was getting the T-3 Excelsior. Not that it was bad
    at the time, but I got it in the "noob" rush for one of my favorite ships, before realizing with
    the Leveling system I would also be buying the T-5 as well. :o

    So for my main ship, it has been T-3, T-5, T-5U, and finally fT-5U. :eek:

    Oh well, at least I still get use out of the T-3's console. I mount it on every build except my
    Freighter. :D

    I tend to buy ships for their "looks" first, and abilities second. If this fomula adds up... Sold.


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    vhiranikosvhiranikos Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    the dyson 3 pack.

    great ship, but t-6 came out almost immediately after.
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    eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    As a ship lover, I do not have any regret in buying them, but rather regret buying them at that moment.

    The Oberth, the Rhode Island, the Regent, and the Kumari were in that category. Especially, the Kumari with the console that only works on the Kumari and its variants.
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