If Im not mistaken if you go by Cannon Star Trek...the Federation has committed more war crimes than the Klingons...Attempted Genocide of the Founders, anyone remember that?
Sorry, wrong again. Section 31 is not an organization with any legal status whatsoever, in the Federation or otherwise. Their actions have nothing to do with the Federation beyond Section 31 itself paying lip service to it.
And here's the difference between the Federation and the Klingons. When Section 31 tries to exterminate the Founders, it is viewed as something horrible despite the fact the Founders have no such compunctions in return. (Remember, the Dominion was planning to glass Earth preemptively, and Earth likely wasn't the only major homeworld on their hit list.) But when the Klingons do things like murder prisoners of war in deliberately slow and painful manner, they brag about it like it was the bestest thing ever. Does that sound honorable to you? Really?
Also if you watch the series the Federation destroys more cultures than the Klingons and Romulans combined...so no the Feds arent angels by any means...
Name some of them. And considering that the Federation is the faction most of the action is focused on, wouldn't it be more likely that most of the Klingons' and Romulans' dirty deeds are just conveniently offscreen?
As for Klingons being Warmongers...uhmm theyre a Warrior Culture, hence War in all its forms is considered the most important thing...Honor, Skill in Battle, all show a Warriors true abilities...but then if you knew anything about Warrior Culture you would know that...
Blah blah glory blah blah honor blah blah. And a culture that actually values skill in battle would know better than to go haring off on a personal glory trip and compromising the mission. *cough* Kahless *cough*
That's the other difference between the Klingons and Starfleet. Klingons fight for glory. Starfleet fights for victory.
As for Honorless Thugs...doesnt the Andorian Federation Captain in one of the DS9 episodes flatly state that if your planets dont help the federation, well leave you on your own when the Borg attack...that seems very honorable and diplomatic, yes?
You must be playing a different game. Shon said that if the others didn't help the Federation fight the Borg that the Federation would fight without them, and that they'd better hope to God the Federation won without them or otherwise they'd be next on the Collective's hit list. Perhaps not a nice way to put it, but damn if it isn't the truth.
So Serious;ly if ya want to troll, go somewhere else...Ill sit here all day and discuss the nuances of Warrior Socities and how they differ from a Democracy as represented by the federation...but if your gonna spout stuff like genocide, and honorless thugs....at least try to get some info to back it up...
I've got plenty of data, and I've cited it repeatedly in this thread. Where's yours?
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
When I began playing STO, players had to level a Fed char to 25 before a KDF char was available. I met some great people who played only KDF. They were very helpful and generous to a newbie to both the KDF and STO as well. They did this for no other reason than to help someone else enjoy this game more. I have tried over the years to pass along what they said and did for me. This happens on the Fed side as well. But it seems more obvious in the KDF. It may be I have come to expect it so I look for it naturally when I am Red Side.
The first time I ever saw a TOS episode with Klingons in it, they all seemed like pirates and buccaneers right out of the stories I read about Drake and Morgan and Jean LaFitte and all the rest. Made a powerful impression on a six year old, I can tell you.
47 years later, I still think of Klingons as pirates. Or, more precisely, privateers with letters of marque from the High Council. Yes there is honor in plenty. But there is also pragmatism and doing what is right more out of enlightened self interest rather than some code of conduct which has never been formally explained but inferred and hinted at.
Playing as a member of the KDF allows me to swashbuckle up and down the galactic equivalent of the Spanish Main.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
not to hijack the thread but do many of you actually play as a Klingon?
I ask as i have made a Klingon engie but im having a hard time getting into him. (doesn't help that im at the dividian quests).
I have a Ferasan tact and i am considering making a sci kdf but while i do love the Ferasans i hate that they have 0 ships in the game.
But my point is while i do love the Klingons from the series i still am finding it hard to get into actually playing as one.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
not to hijack the thread but do many of you actually play as a Klingon?
5 Klingon characters out of 9 KDF going strong!
I'm actually the opposite of what you described - I found it the easiest KDF species to get into, although my first KDF char was a Nausicaan. The composition of KDF specific missions is strictly intended to work with Klingons and Klingons only due to the nature of their narrative. In addition, some 70% of the KDF ships are Klingon and at Tier 6 100% are Klingon so far. Therefore, playing with a Klingon feels very natural to me. Plus, the Honor Guard uniform with the Shard Sword of Kahless looks badass epic and for my, only Klingons can pull it off. And going forward to the crossfaction/shared missions, I find it easier to stomach (although it sucks pretty bad) cooperating and taking some orders from "allied" Starfleet personel as a Klingon commander in the KDF than one of my other pirate/mercenary themed characters. I have quite a few of them, but the way the game is designed it's quite more complicated to immerse myself into the environment as a Nausicaan pirate that cooperates with Starfleet or such.
not to hijack the thread but do many of you actually play as a Klingon?
5 Klingon characters out of 9 KDF going strong!
I'm actually the opposite of what you described - I found it the easiest KDF species to get into, although my first KDF char was a Nausicaan. The composition of KDF specific missions is strictly intended to work with Klingons and Klingons only due to the nature of their narrative. In addition, some 70% of the KDF ships are Klingon and at Tier 6 100% are Klingon so far. Therefore, playing with a Klingon feels very natural to me. Plus, the Honor Guard uniform with the Shard Sword of Kahless looks badass epic and for my, only Klingons can pull it off. And going forward to the crossfaction/shared missions, I find it easier to stomach (although it sucks pretty bad) cooperating and taking some orders from "allied" Starfleet personel as a Klingon commander in the KDF than one of my other pirate/mercenary themed characters. I have quite a few of them, but the way the game is designed it's quite more complicated to immerse myself into the environment as a Nausicaan pirate that cooperates with Starfleet or such.
Who wears a grey-ish white outfit, and has a fair Orion maiden for a significant other and first officer, and other bridge officers who are white, brown, blue and blue, and a larger than usual armored Gorn.
Flies a 'mountain' and summons space eagles to his bidding.
Proudly doing the job for those Federation petaQ who clearly do not know how to clear out their illegal goods.
Sorry, wrong again. Section 31 is not an organization with any legal status whatsoever, in the Federation or otherwise. Their actions have nothing to do with the Federation beyond Section 31 itself paying lip service to it.
And here's the difference between the Federation and the Klingons. When Section 31 tries to exterminate the Founders, it is viewed as something horrible despite the fact the Founders have no such compunctions in return. (Remember, the Dominion was planning to glass Earth preemptively, and Earth likely wasn't the only major homeworld on their hit list.) But when the Klingons do things like murder prisoners of war in deliberately slow and painful manner, they brag about it like it was the bestest thing ever. Does that sound honorable to you? Really?
Except, as I keep pointing out, the evidence all suggests S31 is an official Federation organisation. The have a Starbase at Jupiter for goodness sake, that's like a vigilante having a nuclear submarine base just outside of Washington DC.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
The have a Starbase at Jupiter for goodness sake, that's like a vigilante having a nuclear submarine base just outside of Washington DC.
Source please? A honest question, not sarcastic, it's been a while and maybe I have missed/forgotten something, but I have no memory of this.
because it's not prime canon, it's AR canon; jupiter is where the Vengeance was constructed
Why on Earth does it matter if it's in the Prime Universe or not? The Neradas attack isn't suddenly going to make Starfleet Command think of giving a random bunch a Starbase.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Why on Earth does it matter if it's in the Prime Universe or not? The Neradas attack isn't suddenly going to make Starfleet Command think of giving a random bunch a Starbase.
it matters because it doesn't exist in the prime universe; the only station orbiting jupiter is jupiter station, and that's a research facility, not a starbase or a shipyard - and even if it does exist, it isn't under S31 control
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Why on Earth does it matter if it's in the Prime Universe or not? The Neradas attack isn't suddenly going to make Starfleet Command think of giving a random bunch a Starbase.
it matters because it doesn't exist in the prime universe; the only station orbiting jupiter is jupiter station, and that's a research facility, not a starbase or a shipyard - and even if it does exist, it isn't under S31 control
It still has no bearing on the legitimacy of S31. Whether the Jupiter Starbase exists in the PU or not, the point still stands that they have permission to build one if they so wish.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Ah well, I know about that from ST:ID, but that bears no relevance to STO. I thought the discussion was about the prime timeline/universe and I thought I was oblivious to something in terms of that.
My answer can be summed up as follows with this snippet about the Heart of Virtue and what it represents;
Duty is the first. It is the beginning and the end of the warrior's path. Without duty a warrior becomes a slave of aimless glory and reckless self-interest. Polish this blade; sharpen it until there is nothing it cannot pierce.
The longest blade is that of Honour. It is the most difficult to master. Honour is my life, that in I will live and that in I will die. Truth, courage and forthrightness; Honour encompasses all, yet is more. The fire that illuminating the difference between an armed savage and the true warrior, and the light that will guild along the warrior's path.
All true warriors travel the same river of blood, as one is disgraced, all are disgraced, and as one finds his death in glory, so do we all find glory. A warrior would not allow another to suffer unjust disgrace or begrudge him the fruits of a well-earned victory. That is why the final blade signifies Loyalty, as we are all bound by the common journey.
-General Chang, Klingon Academy (2000)
My KDF Orion character loves that klingon philosophy stuff
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
The ships, the far more mature and competent players on the red side, i rarely encounter a klingon who has totally no clue how to handle his/her ship (and i bet the latter one is the big main reason why so many feds hate KDF).
Post edited by valenn1 on
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
The ships, the far more mature and competent players on the red side, i rarely encounter a klingon who has no totally no clue how to handle his/her ship (and i bet the latter one is the big main reason why so many feds hate KDF).
That explains a lot of what I've been seeing too much of recently.
I've always liked the Klingons. In TOS, the D7 was the coolest looking ship. Had the early models and the blueprints on my walls as a kid. As Star Trek continued, they fleshed-out the Klingons and made them even better. They're the Federation alternative that worked and built an empire using...other methods. Now that more is known about them as a people and they're not portrayed as being 24/7 bad guys, but also viable allies, it's really opened things up.
The ships, the far more mature and competent players on the red side, i rarely encounter a klingon who has totally no clue how to handle his/her ship (and i bet the latter one is the big main reason why so many feds hate KDF).
Hey I play a hard to handle ship, my danged pilot raptor wont stop doing the manuvers at random times, thus wasting my ability to use it at GOOD times.
Cannon weapons need some dev love badly.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
not to hijack the thread but do many of you actually play as a Klingon?
I ask as i have made a Klingon engie but im having a hard time getting into him. (doesn't help that im at the dividian quests).
I have a Ferasan tact and i am considering making a sci kdf but while i do love the Ferasans i hate that they have 0 ships in the game.
But my point is while i do love the Klingons from the series i still am finding it hard to get into actually playing as one.
I have a klingon character, but I prefer my klingon-at-heart Orion badass, General Xela Z'tira.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
If Im not mistaken if you go by Cannon Star Trek...the Federation has committed more war crimes than the Klingons...Attempted Genocide of the Founders, anyone remember that?
Sorry, wrong again. Section 31 is not an organization with any legal status whatsoever, in the Federation or otherwise. Their actions have nothing to do with the Federation beyond Section 31 itself paying lip service to it.
And here's the difference between the Federation and the Klingons. When Section 31 tries to exterminate the Founders, it is viewed as something horrible despite the fact the Founders have no such compunctions in return. (Remember, the Dominion was planning to glass Earth preemptively, and Earth likely wasn't the only major homeworld on their hit list.) But when the Klingons do things like murder prisoners of war in deliberately slow and painful manner, they brag about it like it was the bestest thing ever. Does that sound honorable to you? Really?
Also if you watch the series the Federation destroys more cultures than the Klingons and Romulans combined...so no the Feds arent angels by any means...
Name some of them. And considering that the Federation is the faction most of the action is focused on, wouldn't it be more likely that most of the Klingons' and Romulans' dirty deeds are just conveniently offscreen?
As for Klingons being Warmongers...uhmm theyre a Warrior Culture, hence War in all its forms is considered the most important thing...Honor, Skill in Battle, all show a Warriors true abilities...but then if you knew anything about Warrior Culture you would know that...
Blah blah glory blah blah honor blah blah. And a culture that actually values skill in battle would know better than to go haring off on a personal glory trip and compromising the mission. *cough* Kahless *cough*
That's the other difference between the Klingons and Starfleet. Klingons fight for glory. Starfleet fights for victory.
As for Honorless Thugs...doesnt the Andorian Federation Captain in one of the DS9 episodes flatly state that if your planets dont help the federation, well leave you on your own when the Borg attack...that seems very honorable and diplomatic, yes?
You must be playing a different game. Shon said that if the others didn't help the Federation fight the Borg that the Federation would fight without them, and that they'd better hope to God the Federation won without them or otherwise they'd be next on the Collective's hit list. Perhaps not a nice way to put it, but damn if it isn't the truth.
So Serious;ly if ya want to troll, go somewhere else...Ill sit here all day and discuss the nuances of Warrior Socities and how they differ from a Democracy as represented by the federation...but if your gonna spout stuff like genocide, and honorless thugs....at least try to get some info to back it up...
I've got plenty of data, and I've cited it repeatedly in this thread. Where's yours?
Can we PLEASE stop the faction hate? you're all pretty now, settle down.
Seriously all 3 factions are worth playing on their own merits and don't deserve hate from anyone.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Can we PLEASE stop the faction hate? you're all pretty now, settle down.
Seriously all 3 factions are worth playing on their own merits and don't deserve hate from anyone.
i was pretty much with you till you posted that .
KDF ONLY PLAYER
Klingons Only Species
Klingon design ships.
HATER OF CROSS FACTION CONTENT AND FEDDY BEARS
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
not to hijack the thread but do many of you actually play as a Klingon?
I ask as i have made a Klingon engie but im having a hard time getting into him. (doesn't help that im at the dividian quests).
I have a Ferasan tact and i am considering making a sci kdf but while i do love the Ferasans i hate that they have 0 ships in the game.
But my point is while i do love the Klingons from the series i still am finding it hard to get into actually playing as one.
after the barge of the dead mission chain you are not going to find allot of Klingon content from the devs you have to look outside their limited frame of money chasing, pandering to the masses ( understood its what keeps the game afloat) for any resemblance of Klingon content. Nothing after that is written for a Klingon even when they said they were trying.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
not to hijack the thread but do many of you actually play as a Klingon?
I ask as i have made a Klingon engie but im having a hard time getting into him. (doesn't help that im at the dividian quests).
I have a Ferasan tact and i am considering making a sci kdf but while i do love the Ferasans i hate that they have 0 ships in the game.
But my point is while i do love the Klingons from the series i still am finding it hard to get into actually playing as one.
I have a klingon character, but I prefer my klingon-at-heart Orion badass, General Xela Z'tira.
Playing a KDF char can be very rewarding and very frustrating sometimes. Takes some patience and forbearance. Yeah, I know. How can any self respecting honored warrior of an ancient House with a seat on the High Council exercise these very non Klingon qualities? Gorkon, Gowron, and Martok all had these qualities. They used them when it was for the good of their House or the Empire.
The Klingon Empire and culture is based (somewhat) on the society of 16th Century Japan. This culture had sadistic butchers who lived only for battle and conquest. It also gave us the Kensai. "Kensai" rather loosely translates as "Sword Saint" A warrior whose battlefield and other accomplishments were so great, he was revered and admired by his most adamant enemies. Who made obvious attempts to follow the path the Kensai forged.
I have a Lethean Science char. Which is about as far as one can get from a 'traditional' Klingon warrior and still be a part of the KDF. I play him as someone who spends every waking moment trying to be more Klingon than Klingons. Think Spock from TOS. Without the ears. He was trying to be more Vulcan than Vulcans.
I don't RP in the accepted definition of the word within STO. I do try very hard to make the choices which reflect Klingon cultural mores. These are limited in the game. This is due to a long line of Executive Producers falling under the dubious influence of a Lead Designer who has stated far more far more often about the parts of Star Trek he does not like rather than attempting to take what is and make it better. The money thing makes up a great deal of this as well. Most people play as Starfleet. Because Starfleet are "The Good Guys". This is where most of the money is spent in development because this is where it is easiest for STO to earn income. And income and profit drive this thing and keep the electricity to the servers going.
Not hatin' on anyone or anything here. Just stating some opinions. Which may be incorrect.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
If Im not mistaken if you go by Cannon Star Trek...the Federation has committed more war crimes than the Klingons...Attempted Genocide of the Founders, anyone remember that?
Sorry, wrong again. Section 31 is not an organization with any legal status whatsoever, in the Federation or otherwise. Their actions have nothing to do with the Federation beyond Section 31 itself paying lip service to it.
And here's the difference between the Federation and the Klingons. When Section 31 tries to exterminate the Founders, it is viewed as something horrible despite the fact the Founders have no such compunctions in return. (Remember, the Dominion was planning to glass Earth preemptively, and Earth likely wasn't the only major homeworld on their hit list.) But when the Klingons do things like murder prisoners of war in deliberately slow and painful manner, they brag about it like it was the bestest thing ever. Does that sound honorable to you? Really?
Also if you watch the series the Federation destroys more cultures than the Klingons and Romulans combined...so no the Feds arent angels by any means...
Name some of them. And considering that the Federation is the faction most of the action is focused on, wouldn't it be more likely that most of the Klingons' and Romulans' dirty deeds are just conveniently offscreen?
As for Klingons being Warmongers...uhmm theyre a Warrior Culture, hence War in all its forms is considered the most important thing...Honor, Skill in Battle, all show a Warriors true abilities...but then if you knew anything about Warrior Culture you would know that...
Blah blah glory blah blah honor blah blah. And a culture that actually values skill in battle would know better than to go haring off on a personal glory trip and compromising the mission. *cough* Kahless *cough*
That's the other difference between the Klingons and Starfleet. Klingons fight for glory. Starfleet fights for victory.
As for Honorless Thugs...doesnt the Andorian Federation Captain in one of the DS9 episodes flatly state that if your planets dont help the federation, well leave you on your own when the Borg attack...that seems very honorable and diplomatic, yes?
You must be playing a different game. Shon said that if the others didn't help the Federation fight the Borg that the Federation would fight without them, and that they'd better hope to God the Federation won without them or otherwise they'd be next on the Collective's hit list. Perhaps not a nice way to put it, but damn if it isn't the truth.
So Serious;ly if ya want to troll, go somewhere else...Ill sit here all day and discuss the nuances of Warrior Socities and how they differ from a Democracy as represented by the federation...but if your gonna spout stuff like genocide, and honorless thugs....at least try to get some info to back it up...
I've got plenty of data, and I've cited it repeatedly in this thread. Where's yours?
Can we PLEASE stop the faction hate? you're all pretty now, settle down.
Seriously all 3 factions are worth playing on their own merits and don't deserve hate from anyone.
It is time to end the nonsense. Nonetheless the haters will continue to conveniently cherry pick certain facts that fit their disdain for Klingons, ignore all facts that don't, and they will continue to hate. Others will of course find their own reasons altogether, but those are in the minority as KDF players are in general. It would be nice if this nonsense ended, but I sure and sadly so that it won't.
Comments
And here's the difference between the Federation and the Klingons. When Section 31 tries to exterminate the Founders, it is viewed as something horrible despite the fact the Founders have no such compunctions in return. (Remember, the Dominion was planning to glass Earth preemptively, and Earth likely wasn't the only major homeworld on their hit list.) But when the Klingons do things like murder prisoners of war in deliberately slow and painful manner, they brag about it like it was the bestest thing ever. Does that sound honorable to you? Really?
Name some of them. And considering that the Federation is the faction most of the action is focused on, wouldn't it be more likely that most of the Klingons' and Romulans' dirty deeds are just conveniently offscreen?
Blah blah glory blah blah honor blah blah. And a culture that actually values skill in battle would know better than to go haring off on a personal glory trip and compromising the mission. *cough* Kahless *cough*
That's the other difference between the Klingons and Starfleet. Klingons fight for glory. Starfleet fights for victory.
You must be playing a different game. Shon said that if the others didn't help the Federation fight the Borg that the Federation would fight without them, and that they'd better hope to God the Federation won without them or otherwise they'd be next on the Collective's hit list. Perhaps not a nice way to put it, but damn if it isn't the truth.
I've got plenty of data, and I've cited it repeatedly in this thread. Where's yours?
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
When I began playing STO, players had to level a Fed char to 25 before a KDF char was available. I met some great people who played only KDF. They were very helpful and generous to a newbie to both the KDF and STO as well. They did this for no other reason than to help someone else enjoy this game more. I have tried over the years to pass along what they said and did for me. This happens on the Fed side as well. But it seems more obvious in the KDF. It may be I have come to expect it so I look for it naturally when I am Red Side.
The first time I ever saw a TOS episode with Klingons in it, they all seemed like pirates and buccaneers right out of the stories I read about Drake and Morgan and Jean LaFitte and all the rest. Made a powerful impression on a six year old, I can tell you.
47 years later, I still think of Klingons as pirates. Or, more precisely, privateers with letters of marque from the High Council. Yes there is honor in plenty. But there is also pragmatism and doing what is right more out of enlightened self interest rather than some code of conduct which has never been formally explained but inferred and hinted at.
Playing as a member of the KDF allows me to swashbuckle up and down the galactic equivalent of the Spanish Main.
I ask as i have made a Klingon engie but im having a hard time getting into him. (doesn't help that im at the dividian quests).
I have a Ferasan tact and i am considering making a sci kdf but while i do love the Ferasans i hate that they have 0 ships in the game.
But my point is while i do love the Klingons from the series i still am finding it hard to get into actually playing as one.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
5 Klingon characters out of 9 KDF going strong!
I'm actually the opposite of what you described - I found it the easiest KDF species to get into, although my first KDF char was a Nausicaan. The composition of KDF specific missions is strictly intended to work with Klingons and Klingons only due to the nature of their narrative. In addition, some 70% of the KDF ships are Klingon and at Tier 6 100% are Klingon so far. Therefore, playing with a Klingon feels very natural to me. Plus, the Honor Guard uniform with the Shard Sword of Kahless looks badass epic and for my, only Klingons can pull it off.
5 Klingon characters out of 9 KDF going strong!
I'm actually the opposite of what you described - I found it the easiest KDF species to get into, although my first KDF char was a Nausicaan. The composition of KDF specific missions is strictly intended to work with Klingons and Klingons only due to the nature of their narrative. In addition, some 70% of the KDF ships are Klingon and at Tier 6 100% are Klingon so far. Therefore, playing with a Klingon feels very natural to me. Plus, the Honor Guard uniform with the Shard Sword of Kahless looks badass epic and for my, only Klingons can pull it off.
Who wears a grey-ish white outfit, and has a fair Orion maiden for a significant other and first officer, and other bridge officers who are white, brown, blue and blue, and a larger than usual armored Gorn.
Flies a 'mountain' and summons space eagles to his bidding.
Proudly doing the job for those Federation petaQ who clearly do not know how to clear out their illegal goods.
Except, as I keep pointing out, the evidence all suggests S31 is an official Federation organisation. The have a Starbase at Jupiter for goodness sake, that's like a vigilante having a nuclear submarine base just outside of Washington DC.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
Source please? A honest question, not sarcastic, it's been a while and maybe I have missed/forgotten something, but I have no memory of this.
because it's not prime canon, it's AR canon; jupiter is where the Vengeance was constructed
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
It's in ID.
Why on Earth does it matter if it's in the Prime Universe or not? The Neradas attack isn't suddenly going to make Starfleet Command think of giving a random bunch a Starbase.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
it matters because it doesn't exist in the prime universe; the only station orbiting jupiter is jupiter station, and that's a research facility, not a starbase or a shipyard - and even if it does exist, it isn't under S31 control
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
It still has no bearing on the legitimacy of S31. Whether the Jupiter Starbase exists in the PU or not, the point still stands that they have permission to build one if they so wish.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
Ah well, I know about that from ST:ID, but that bears no relevance to STO. I thought the discussion was about the prime timeline/universe and I thought I was oblivious to something in terms of that.
My KDF Orion character loves that klingon philosophy stuff
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
What KDF meaning for me ?
I play Klingon side only not because i do not want play federation but because i feel home on Klingon side
I Love Klingon because we have
Amazing ships design
Amazing Klingon design and culture
We are less
We are Hated
We are Passionate
Klingon are more human than humans
and we are beautiful
That explains a lot of what I've been seeing too much of recently.
Hey I play a hard to handle ship, my danged pilot raptor wont stop doing the manuvers at random times, thus wasting my ability to use it at GOOD times.
Cannon weapons need some dev love badly.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I have a klingon character, but I prefer my klingon-at-heart Orion badass, General Xela Z'tira.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Can we PLEASE stop the faction hate? you're all pretty now, settle down.
Seriously all 3 factions are worth playing on their own merits and don't deserve hate from anyone.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
i was pretty much with you till you posted that .
KDF ONLY PLAYER
Klingons Only Species
Klingon design ships.
HATER OF CROSS FACTION CONTENT AND FEDDY BEARS
after the barge of the dead mission chain you are not going to find allot of Klingon content from the devs you have to look outside their limited frame of money chasing, pandering to the masses ( understood its what keeps the game afloat) for any resemblance of Klingon content. Nothing after that is written for a Klingon even when they said they were trying.
Playing a KDF char can be very rewarding and very frustrating sometimes. Takes some patience and forbearance. Yeah, I know. How can any self respecting honored warrior of an ancient House with a seat on the High Council exercise these very non Klingon qualities? Gorkon, Gowron, and Martok all had these qualities. They used them when it was for the good of their House or the Empire.
The Klingon Empire and culture is based (somewhat) on the society of 16th Century Japan. This culture had sadistic butchers who lived only for battle and conquest. It also gave us the Kensai. "Kensai" rather loosely translates as "Sword Saint" A warrior whose battlefield and other accomplishments were so great, he was revered and admired by his most adamant enemies. Who made obvious attempts to follow the path the Kensai forged.
I have a Lethean Science char. Which is about as far as one can get from a 'traditional' Klingon warrior and still be a part of the KDF. I play him as someone who spends every waking moment trying to be more Klingon than Klingons. Think Spock from TOS. Without the ears. He was trying to be more Vulcan than Vulcans.
I don't RP in the accepted definition of the word within STO. I do try very hard to make the choices which reflect Klingon cultural mores. These are limited in the game. This is due to a long line of Executive Producers falling under the dubious influence of a Lead Designer who has stated far more far more often about the parts of Star Trek he does not like rather than attempting to take what is and make it better. The money thing makes up a great deal of this as well. Most people play as Starfleet. Because Starfleet are "The Good Guys". This is where most of the money is spent in development because this is where it is easiest for STO to earn income. And income and profit drive this thing and keep the electricity to the servers going.
Not hatin' on anyone or anything here. Just stating some opinions. Which may be incorrect.
It is time to end the nonsense. Nonetheless the haters will continue to conveniently cherry pick certain facts that fit their disdain for Klingons, ignore all facts that don't, and they will continue to hate. Others will of course find their own reasons altogether, but those are in the minority as KDF players are in general. It would be nice if this nonsense ended, but I sure and sadly so that it won't.