Blowing up a lot in my fleet Norgh on elite difficulty since hitting level 60 lol cos no matter how infuriating that is, not to mention how difficult it is to handle the thing, I just love the ship and can't fly anything else...
To me, KDF is freedom. I like creating the character and giving them some reason to have joined the empire, alliances notwithsanding. KDF is like the pirates of yore- We fly the empire's symbol, but we fight for our freedoms of the galaxy- just as they flew the black flag and fought for their freedoms and glory.
That fight for our glory, that fight for freedoms, that... feeling of being your own commander, not some servant. The feel of our honor being at stake in everything we do is why i fly for the KDF
I've always been a Trek fan, and I love all three factions for their own reasons. I've got three mains and three Delta recruits, one for each. If I had to pick one to fit more me as a person I'd pick Federation, they're just more my style with all the exploration and diplomacy and science.
I don't even like playing the de facto "bad guy" group in most games, which honestly is kind of what the devs seemed to be going for with the Klingons for the most part, or at least more "anti-hero". But I only really get "into" the game most times when I'm playing a KDF character. I never really feel like a Starfleet captain unless I'm in a pitched battle with the Borg or playing a side-mission of mercy, and the Romulans are cool, but I just don't know enough about them beyond "intrigue and backstabbing" to get a feel for them.
On the other hand, when I'm leveling a Klingon? Pass the bloodwine and arm disruptors, we're going Fed-hunting in Ker'rat!
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I've always been fascinated by barbarians and warrior races ever since i was a boy. IRL I am largely against violence and militarism, but i admit the fantasy has always interested me. Klingons in ST, Mandalorians in SW, you name it. The idea of honor and glory and seeking a good death fires my imagination.
KDF missions are just straight up better, more fun then the horribly dull Fed missions.
You get to knock the **** out a panic stricken Ferengi and shut him the hell up.
You go to Rura Penthe, seeing the frozen misery of the prisoners there, a clear difference with the pansified Federation with their super clean, gorgeous, luxurious prison facilities. Then when trouble starts, just shoot the living hell out of every prisoner you can find.
Going around blowing everything up is keeping in line with Star Trek canon.
The Federation-Klingon War had some goodness even though the devs never fully explored it. We have some memorable missions killing Feds. The best of which was crippling a Starfleet cruiser, boarding it, wiping out survivors as we work to the bridge. The last few brave defenders hold the line while their captain cowers in his chambers, but we dealt with them. Then it comes down to interrogating the Starfleet captain for the codes, as you and your away team beat the TRIBBLE out of him. He's stubborn for a while but you get to keep beating him until he finally gives up the codes. You then get the option to just leave him there or execute him on the spot (I typically kill him right then and there). Then, when you leave the ship with everything you wanted, you blow up the wrecked Starfleet vessel. You then prepare for a daring raid at the heart of Federation space and round up other KDF forces or anyone else that wants a shot at glory, then press on and raise hell in the the heart of the Federation.
You join the KDF to just blow stuff up and in Klingon society, that's perfectly fine. You join and get to beat the living TRIBBLE out of your enemies. We have crazy guys like B'Vat in the Empire, but I'd rather have him than the Starfleet that put a dumbass like Kurland in charge of one of the quadrant's most critical pieces of real estate... DS9.
I've always been fascinated by barbarians and warrior races ever since i was a boy. IRL I am largely against violence and militarism, but i admit the fantasy has always interested me. Klingons in ST, Mandalorians in SW, you name it. The idea of honor and glory and seeking a good death fires my imagination.
I'm just a nerd that way.
I know what you mean. As far as klingons go I think I like them because they are distinct from the Federation in a lot of ways and have their own culture and mythology. A lot of people don't like the klingons we see from TNG onwards but for me they're far more fleshed out and distinguished from their TOS representation at having their own character and identity. The TOS klingons feel like a barely-disguised allegory or stand-in for the Soviets in Space. Of course some people prefer that, and hey more power to them but sometimes I feel that they're either not imaginative enough or that they only look at the TNG klingons from the surface and dismiss them as caricatures, yet accept the TOS klingons despite them being caricatures of a different sort.
- Playing KDF means I never have to worry about which Science ship to acquire or purchase. Having access to all those ships must be very confusing at times to the Blue Side.
- Playing KDF means I never have to worry about picking out the perfect outfit for my chars and BOffs. Because the Dev Team does not care what I wear.
- Playing KDF means I know in advance what new toys the Dev Team will give the Blue Side in the next Update. Mine, of course.
And, on a brighter note,
- Playing KDF means I get to enjoy visiting Ker'rat.
- Playing KDF means I get to fly BoPs!
- Playing KDF means I am one of the whole Factions, sort of.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
Now whats wrong with saving the planet you live on and free healthcare (thats something many people would start a Civil War over if they could get it) that bothers you so much? If you are a Klingon just remember Praxis
whats wrong is that some people think this free healthcare is free. they do not realize we already fought a war over high taxes.
As for starting a Civil war just to take something from somebody else is not a civil war its call a riot. thieves do it all the time.
and whos idea of saving the planet are you to use? the one where people put spikes into trees so loggers get hurt when their equipment hits the spike? or the logging company that replants the forest after logging timber?
now back to the trek verse. yeah i remember praxis and as a species that has been out in spaces long before the Humans the Klingons had allot longer to do the damage , and they were enslaved for an unknown amount of time , the irreparable damage to praxis could have been done long long ago. but i also look at Rura Pentha a mining facility long before the federation was around and still around today. so basically i have to accept Praxis happened because its canon but in fact its just writers trying to draw parallels to more real world events for the sake of story telling, and like it or not that really was what i believe made the best episodes /movies.
Now for my Klingons All species other than the Klingon are inferior Period. If they do not wish to Bow to us, I will allow them the right to die.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
...the Romulans are cool, but I just don't know enough about them beyond "intrigue and backstabbing" to get a feel for them.
I'd recommend reading Diane Duane's Rihannsu trilogy, if you can get hold of them. It might or might not help - especially as not much of that material seems to have explicitly found its way into STO - but they're great reads, and funny, too.
Back on-topic; I'm actually not that into playing the bad guy (I agree, it's often hard to see the KDF as shown in STO as anything else), or the glorious-warrior-race stuff either. But all the same, the KDF lends itself much more to the space-cowboy stuff. I mean, in a society that no longer uses money, how can you hunt for treasure or lose your shirt at poker? In a society where everyone is equal, who's going to join your crew because they had nowhere else to go? In those ways, KDF life is just actually much more relatable than the Federation. Also the KDF side of my fleet (Reavers) are pirates and playing pirates is always fun. Also Birds of Prey are great fun to fly. Winning depends as much on skill as on high-end equipment, but it's a skill simple enough - sneak in close, do maximum damage in the first few seconds, duck away before you start to take serious damage - that even I know what I ought to be doing.
I know what you mean. As far as klingons go I think I like them because they are distinct from the Federation in a lot of ways and have their own culture and mythology. A lot of people don't like the klingons we see from TNG onwards but for me they're far more fleshed out and distinguished from their TOS representation at having their own character and identity. The TOS klingons feel like a barely-disguised allegory or stand-in for the Soviets in Space. Of course some people prefer that, and hey more power to them but sometimes I feel that they're either not imaginative enough or that they only look at the TNG klingons from the surface and dismiss them as caricatures, yet accept the TOS klingons despite them being caricatures of a different sort.
I totally agree. In TOS they didn't even look alien, which i understand was just the limitation of the time, and totally were meant as a stand in for the Soviets and Communist China in the old days of "everything is anti soviet propaganda" of the Cold War. They later gained an iconic look, culture, and even language, and we got to watch Worf struggle to reconcile the two parts of his identity that seemed most irreconcilable.
Are the Klingons a perfect example of nuance and writing? of course not, but there is more there than people give them credit for.
KDF missions are just straight up better, more fun then the horribly dull Fed missions.
You get to knock the **** out a panic stricken Ferengi and shut him the hell up.
You go to Rura Penthe, seeing the frozen misery of the prisoners there, a clear difference with the pansified Federation with their super clean, gorgeous, luxurious prison facilities. Then when trouble starts, just shoot the living hell out of every prisoner you can find.
Going around blowing everything up is keeping in line with Star Trek canon.
The Federation-Klingon War had some goodness even though the devs never fully explored it. We have some memorable missions killing Feds. The best of which was crippling a Starfleet cruiser, boarding it, wiping out survivors as we work to the bridge. The last few brave defenders hold the line while their captain cowers in his chambers, but we dealt with them. Then it comes down to interrogating the Starfleet captain for the codes, as you and your away team beat the TRIBBLE out of him. He's stubborn for a while but you get to keep beating him until he finally gives up the codes. You then get the option to just leave him there or execute him on the spot (I typically kill him right then and there). Then, when you leave the ship with everything you wanted, you blow up the wrecked Starfleet vessel. You then prepare for a daring raid at the heart of Federation space and round up other KDF forces or anyone else that wants a shot at glory, then press on and raise hell in the the heart of the Federation.
You join the KDF to just blow stuff up and in Klingon society, that's perfectly fine. You join and get to beat the living TRIBBLE out of your enemies. We have crazy guys like B'Vat in the Empire, but I'd rather have him than the Starfleet that put a dumbass like Kurland in charge of one of the quadrant's most critical pieces of real estate... DS9.
^^:D I couldn't have said it better. If I was forced to only play one faction I would choose KDF. I like playing through the KDF missions multiple times and even find the doffing missions much more entertaining then the FED's. Not only can you assassinate warriors from other houses but you can execute underperforming duty officers and raid freighters. If that is not the most fun you can have pushing a button I don't know what is.:cool:
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I have 12 Toons now, 9 are KDF or Allied, 2 Fed, and one Fed allied Reman.
Playing KDF means Freedom, less guilt at the violence inherent in this game.
The KDF experience better reflects the cannon, while the Fed experience only Matches the Type of Federation that existed in Parallel history when we see the Enterprise-C.
I cannot see Feds reasonably using the alien Lock Box Ships, but my KDF main is a Privateer in service of the Empire, and She has several spoils of war ships.
The game just makes more sense from the Red side point of view, unless you theme you Fed as Section 31, which I did with my Fed Tact (More Franklin Drake for everyone please).
The smaller selection of ships, the need to use 4 Fleet modules to upgrade most of them, the that is all secondary, as despite that I find the KDF ships generally more enjoyable.
In 19 days I get the Peghqu' can't wait to that through the Delta Quadrant.
Vor'cha & Mat'ha FOREVER!
Thanks for the Advanced Light Cruiser, Allied Escort Bundles, Jem-Hadar Light Battlecruiser, and Mek'leth
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T6 updates for the Kamarag & Vor'Cha
Heavy Cruiser & a Movie Era Style AoY Utility Cruiser
The KDF is the cookie-cutting faction for tacticals. Reliable, strong and simplified. In all meaning. Ranged, melee, resistance-based, damage-effective and cost-effective, with the multitude of great dps ships to play with, from BoP Alpha Strikers to the best maneuvrable and beam-based cruisers.
They're definitely suited for war. Simple, not shiny, but laconically efficient when it comes to getting the job done.
I still have my original klingon warrior back from when it was PvP only (normally 2-3 klingons vs 12 feds). I didn't care I was outnumbered, it was fun fighting and not giving in to the namby pamby smack talking feds. I have always enjoyed the fighting as a Klingon more than the others because Klingons know how to fight more than anyone, DS9 showed that in its epic battles ( ok way of the warrior was technically a loss but they would have won , sacrifice of angels they saved the Fed fleet and actually beat the dominion huge fleet by the end of the episode. Their fleet held off the dominion when the feds and romulans couldn't fight) Klingon ships are awesome fighting wise and better than all others.
What I like about the KDF is that it isn't a one size fits all factions.
We have a decent selection of ships. Mainly focused twoard Klingons in general, But I'm fine with that. Even though a couple more science ships would be nice.
My main right now is a Kligon Tac officer. I enjoy playing it because of the stright forwardness of how they are. There's not beat around the bush nor dilly dally around.
I also enjoy my Orion Science officer. Gives you a different perspetive on the empire itself.
For me it about how robust the Empire actually is. With the Gorn, Letheans, Naussicans, Orions, and Klingons, some how doing their own thing while maintaining the Empire itself. How each race has its own culture, but isn't restricted by rule nor regulations like the Federation is, and makes itself a valuable part of the Empire as a whole.
Apart from the nifty ingame things (which others have mentioned already) , I see the KDF as an allegory to STO itself .
Player resilience , dev arrogance & ego driven stupidity .
And the opposite .
Player lack or appreciation for what we do have , dev triumphs (big and small) that we don't see , nor are we aware of stuff that wasn't "on the docket" but was done anyway by a dev who put in 110% effort .
Apart from the nifty ingame things (which others have mentioned already) , I see the KDF as an allegory to STO itself .
Player resilience , dev arrogance & ego driven stupidity .
And the opposite .
Player lack or appreciation for what we do have , dev triumphs (big and small) that we don't see , nor are we aware of stuff that wasn't "on the docket" but was done anyway by a dev who put in 110% effort .
Ok now that was funny and I remember a great deal of that from 2012-2013. had to take a break at the ROmulan release due to the Army sucking up my time, just got back. Tried playing my old federation characters. The ones I used to get to know the game.
Switched to KDF the same day I got back... haven't been back except to doff since.
Got a new one. It means I'm aiding and abetting the faction that has done more to further the cause of the Iconians through its own stupidity and warmongering than Hakeev managed intentionally.
GG, honorable warriors.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Got a new one. It means I'm aiding and abetting the faction that has done more to further the cause of the Iconians through its own stupidity and warmongering than Hakeev managed intentionally.
GG, honorable warriors.
Lets not forget that war between the Federation and Empire started because how arrogant and stupid Starfleet was to not even acknowledge that the Undine had infiltrated their ranks. The Empire took action, cleansing their own empire and the Gorn, who instead of totally wiping out which would had served the Iconian interests absorbed them into their ranks making the Empire stronger to deal with the Iconian threat better.
Even the Andorian that Captains the Enterprise admits the Empire was correct in the episode where the Undine attack Earth and Qo'Nos.
Path to 2409, a good read.
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I play KDF solely (even rom is allied with KDF) because it is my way of flipping off cryptic for all the years of catering to feddie bears. That is what my KDF means to me.
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Lets not forget that war between the Federation and Empire started because how arrogant and stupid Starfleet was to not even acknowledge that the Undine had infiltrated their ranks. The Empire took action, cleansing their own empire and the Gorn, who instead of totally wiping out which would had served the Iconian interests absorbed them into their ranks making the Empire stronger to deal with the Iconian threat better.
Even the Andorian that Captains the Enterprise admits the Empire was correct in the episode where the Undine attack Earth and Qo'Nos.
Path to 2409, a good read.
Indeed it is. You should go back and reread it. See below, for both that and "Surface Tension".
Starsword, yes, we know that's why you Joined the Federation-to protect the Undine infiltration and assist the Iconians-but this thread's about the Klingon Defense Force-the only people who were doing anything to resist them.
Then why is it that the Federation is the only side making an actual, effective, on-screen effort to track and kill Undine infiltrators?
Case in point: "Diplomatic Orders". Klingons think a Federation dignitary is an Undine. Instead of doing the smart thing and submitting their data under a flag of truce (BTW, people Fedside already suspected he was going senile, minimum), they're all "hur hur hur HONOR" and choose to fly a squadron of warships deep into enemy territory during a declared war and then demand that the Starfleet officer charged with escorting said dignitary just hand him over solely on their say-so. How the f*ck would you respond in Starfleet's shoes? Frankly, the Starfleet PC even asking them for their evidence instead of just blasting them on sight strains credulity.
And how does this "honorable warrior" respond? Does he take a step back, realize what a complete moronic TRIBBLE he looks like, and tell them where he's getting his information? No! He takes umbrage that this Starfleet officer would dare politely request that he back up his claim with evidence, and opens fire.
And then, yes, they turn out to be right, after they'd gotten themselves killed pointlessly when a little forethought and a thicker skin would've saved everyone a hell of a lot of hassle. Classical thoughtlessly violent Klingon stupidity. And guess who makes the kill? That's right: Starfleet.
Just like your beloved chancellor got a whole hell of a lot of people killed for no good purpose when he broke off the Khitomer Accords and then started ethnic cleansing operations against Federation civilians after the Federation told him to submit evidence or get his ships the f*ck back on his side of the border. Which, by the way, is exactly what the Klingons did to the Cardassians, and they played directly into the hands of the Dominion by doing so. This time it's the Iconians they're helping. Seems the Klingons have poor memories, or maybe they're too busy going "hur hur hur HONOR" to actually use what memory they have. Oh, and by the way, they were wrong about the Cardassians, which the Federation did remember. Remember that old tale about the boy who cried "wolf"?
Also, note that maybe two missions after "Diplomatic Orders", the Fed PC discovers and kills an Undine infiltrating the Klingons' ranks. :rolleyes:
Sorry, you don't win this one, ever. The Undine, and through them the Iconians, were never anything more than a convenient excuse for what J'mpok wanted to do all along. Which makes him dishonest in addition to a coward and war criminal who deliberately targets civilians and aids and abets the Orion slave trade. Not to mention his best bud B'Vat's plan to sic a planet killer on civilian targets to deliberately provoke a neverending war. Oh, and add to that the Klingons' habitual treatment of prisoners of war going back to well before the Dominion War. I recall a tale of how a Klingon officer deliberately ripped a Benzite captain's breathing tubes off so that she'd die slowly of suffocation.
So why don't you guys reread the Path to 2409, and your doff assignments while you're at it. Because for the second time in half a century, the Klingons started a stupid, pointless war for no other reason than because they wanted to conquer territory away from people, first the Gorn, then the Federation, whom they'd been feuding with for decades. They played directly into the Iconians' hands and have zero claim to any moral high ground, and quite frankly the way "Surface Tension" just glosses over the Klingons' contributions to the last several decades of idiocy on the part of the Alpha Quadrant powers is the worst part of the entire mission.
That's why my KDF toon is a Lethean. Because at least they and the Nausicaans are honest about what they're fighting for: money.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Then why is it that the Federation is the only side making an actual, effective, on-screen effort to track and kill Undine infiltrators?
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As the OP of this thread im asking you to please stop trolling us here. The discussion is directed solely to the KDF players not fed players. and it so noted in the opening post.
so there is my attempt to handle you in a way the federation would approve of. if you respond any further it will be clear you are only trolling KDF players.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
As the OP of this thread im asking you to please stop trolling us here. The discussion is directed solely to the KDF players not fed players. and it so noted in the opening post.
so there is my attempt to handle you in a way the federation would approve of. if you respond any further it will be clear you are only trolling KDF players.
Just your luck: I am a KDF player. I have a non-farming, fully geared KDF toon that I play fairly regularly (or did before the Delta Recruit event dropped). So nice try with the trolling accusations but I am perfectly happy to sit here and call the faction out on its bullsh*t self-justifications. Just like I'm perfectly happy to call the Federation and the Romulans on it when they do stupid things, like not calling the Klingons on their TRIBBLE.
The Klingons made their bed, now they've got to lie in it. And if Cryptic doesn't have the balls to follow through to conclusion on the full implications of the story they wrote, then I will. You don't like it when I call your beloved chancellor the dishonest coward he is? Tough titties.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Case in point: "Diplomatic Orders". Klingons think a Federation dignitary is an Undine. Instead of doing the smart thing and submitting their data under a flag of truce (BTW, people Fedside already suspected he was going senile, minimum), they're all "hur hur hur HONOR" and choose to fly a squadron of warships deep into enemy territory during a declared war and then demand that the Starfleet officer charged with escorting said dignitary just hand him over solely on their say-so. How the f*ck would you respond in Starfleet's shoes? Frankly, the Starfleet PC even asking them for their evidence instead of just blasting them on sight strains credulity.
Rebuttal: Said Federation starship captain was basically a low-ranking officer on a baby-sitting assignment in a Miranda-class, a ship that's been outdated since the 2360s. The Klingons thought they could kill two birds with one stone by killing the Undine AND wiping out a Federation ship, thus leaving one less ship to worry about in the war. The thing they didn't count on was your character having plot armor/being a total badass despite being a Lieutenant in charge of the equivalent of a PT boat.
Admiral Katrina Tokareva - U.S.S. Cosmos, Yorktown-class Star Cruiser Admiral Dananra Lekall - R.R.W. Teverresh, Deihu-class Warbird General J'Kar son of K'tsulan - I.K.S. Dlahath, Vo'devwl-class Carrier
Just your luck: I am a KDF player. I have a non-farming, fully geared KDF toon that I play fairly regularly (or did before the Delta Recruit event dropped). So nice try with the trolling accusations but I am perfectly happy to sit here and call the faction out on its bullsh*t self-justifications. Just like I'm perfectly happy to call the Federation and the Romulans on it when they do stupid things, like not calling the Klingons on their TRIBBLE.
The Klingons made their bed, now they've got to lie in it. And if Cryptic doesn't have the balls to follow through to conclusion on the full implications of the story they wrote, then I will. You don't like it when I call your beloved chancellor the dishonest coward he is? Tough titties.
you already posted once on page 3 i think basically stating how much you dislike the kdf and its game play and being forced to commit so called war crimes. even though you play as a hired Lethean Merc. ok fine you made your statement of what it means to you. the trolling comes in when you start ranting yet again about how dumb the kdf is and quoting the in game lore info. which was not the question from the original post.
Got a new one. It means I'm aiding and abetting the faction that has done more to further the cause of the Iconians through its own stupidity and warmongering than Hakeev managed intentionally.
Just like your beloved chancellor got a whole hell of a lot of people killed for no good purpose when he broke off the Khitomer Accords and then started ethnic cleansing operations against Federation civilians after the Federation told him to submit evidence or get his ships the f*ck back on his side of the border.
Sorry, you don't win this one, ever. The Undine, and through them the Iconians, were never anything more than a convenient excuse for what J'mpok wanted to do all along. Which makes him dishonest in addition to a coward and war criminal who deliberately targets civilians
So why don't you guys reread the Path to 2409, and your doff assignments while you're at it. Because for the second time in half a century, the Klingons started a stupid, pointless war for no other reason than because they wanted to conquer territory away from people, first the Gorn, then the Federation, whom they'd been feuding with for decades. They played directly into the Iconians' hands and have zero claim to any moral high ground, and quite frankly the way "Surface Tension" just glosses over the Klingons' contributions to the last several decades of idiocy on the part of the Alpha Quadrant powers is the worst part of the entire mission.
That's why my KDF toon is a Lethean. Because at least they and the Nausicaans are honest about what they're fighting for: money.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
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That fight for our glory, that fight for freedoms, that... feeling of being your own commander, not some servant. The feel of our honor being at stake in everything we do is why i fly for the KDF
I don't even like playing the de facto "bad guy" group in most games, which honestly is kind of what the devs seemed to be going for with the Klingons for the most part, or at least more "anti-hero". But I only really get "into" the game most times when I'm playing a KDF character. I never really feel like a Starfleet captain unless I'm in a pitched battle with the Borg or playing a side-mission of mercy, and the Romulans are cool, but I just don't know enough about them beyond "intrigue and backstabbing" to get a feel for them.
On the other hand, when I'm leveling a Klingon? Pass the bloodwine and arm disruptors, we're going Fed-hunting in Ker'rat!
Admiral Dananra Lekall - R.R.W. Teverresh, Deihu-class Warbird
General J'Kar son of K'tsulan - I.K.S. Dlahath, Vo'devwl-class Carrier
I'm just a nerd that way.
You get to knock the **** out a panic stricken Ferengi and shut him the hell up.
You go to Rura Penthe, seeing the frozen misery of the prisoners there, a clear difference with the pansified Federation with their super clean, gorgeous, luxurious prison facilities. Then when trouble starts, just shoot the living hell out of every prisoner you can find.
Going around blowing everything up is keeping in line with Star Trek canon.
The Federation-Klingon War had some goodness even though the devs never fully explored it. We have some memorable missions killing Feds. The best of which was crippling a Starfleet cruiser, boarding it, wiping out survivors as we work to the bridge. The last few brave defenders hold the line while their captain cowers in his chambers, but we dealt with them. Then it comes down to interrogating the Starfleet captain for the codes, as you and your away team beat the TRIBBLE out of him. He's stubborn for a while but you get to keep beating him until he finally gives up the codes. You then get the option to just leave him there or execute him on the spot (I typically kill him right then and there). Then, when you leave the ship with everything you wanted, you blow up the wrecked Starfleet vessel. You then prepare for a daring raid at the heart of Federation space and round up other KDF forces or anyone else that wants a shot at glory, then press on and raise hell in the the heart of the Federation.
You join the KDF to just blow stuff up and in Klingon society, that's perfectly fine. You join and get to beat the living TRIBBLE out of your enemies. We have crazy guys like B'Vat in the Empire, but I'd rather have him than the Starfleet that put a dumbass like Kurland in charge of one of the quadrant's most critical pieces of real estate... DS9.
- Playing KDF means I never have to worry about which Science ship to acquire or purchase. Having access to all those ships must be very confusing at times to the Blue Side.
- Playing KDF means I never have to worry about picking out the perfect outfit for my chars and BOffs. Because the Dev Team does not care what I wear.
- Playing KDF means I know in advance what new toys the Dev Team will give the Blue Side in the next Update. Mine, of course.
And, on a brighter note,
- Playing KDF means I get to enjoy visiting Ker'rat.
- Playing KDF means I get to fly BoPs!
- Playing KDF means I am one of the whole Factions, sort of.
whats wrong is that some people think this free healthcare is free. they do not realize we already fought a war over high taxes.
As for starting a Civil war just to take something from somebody else is not a civil war its call a riot. thieves do it all the time.
and whos idea of saving the planet are you to use? the one where people put spikes into trees so loggers get hurt when their equipment hits the spike? or the logging company that replants the forest after logging timber?
now back to the trek verse. yeah i remember praxis and as a species that has been out in spaces long before the Humans the Klingons had allot longer to do the damage , and they were enslaved for an unknown amount of time , the irreparable damage to praxis could have been done long long ago. but i also look at Rura Pentha a mining facility long before the federation was around and still around today. so basically i have to accept Praxis happened because its canon but in fact its just writers trying to draw parallels to more real world events for the sake of story telling, and like it or not that really was what i believe made the best episodes /movies.
Now for my Klingons All species other than the Klingon are inferior Period. If they do not wish to Bow to us, I will allow them the right to die.
I'd recommend reading Diane Duane's Rihannsu trilogy, if you can get hold of them. It might or might not help - especially as not much of that material seems to have explicitly found its way into STO - but they're great reads, and funny, too.
Back on-topic; I'm actually not that into playing the bad guy (I agree, it's often hard to see the KDF as shown in STO as anything else), or the glorious-warrior-race stuff either. But all the same, the KDF lends itself much more to the space-cowboy stuff. I mean, in a society that no longer uses money, how can you hunt for treasure or lose your shirt at poker? In a society where everyone is equal, who's going to join your crew because they had nowhere else to go? In those ways, KDF life is just actually much more relatable than the Federation. Also the KDF side of my fleet (Reavers) are pirates and playing pirates is always fun. Also Birds of Prey are great fun to fly. Winning depends as much on skill as on high-end equipment, but it's a skill simple enough - sneak in close, do maximum damage in the first few seconds, duck away before you start to take serious damage - that even I know what I ought to be doing.
I totally agree. In TOS they didn't even look alien, which i understand was just the limitation of the time, and totally were meant as a stand in for the Soviets and Communist China in the old days of "everything is anti soviet propaganda" of the Cold War. They later gained an iconic look, culture, and even language, and we got to watch Worf struggle to reconcile the two parts of his identity that seemed most irreconcilable.
Are the Klingons a perfect example of nuance and writing? of course not, but there is more there than people give them credit for.
^^:D I couldn't have said it better. If I was forced to only play one faction I would choose KDF. I like playing through the KDF missions multiple times and even find the doffing missions much more entertaining then the FED's. Not only can you assassinate warriors from other houses but you can execute underperforming duty officers and raid freighters. If that is not the most fun you can have pushing a button I don't know what is.:cool:
Dr Henry Morgan Delta Recruit (Fed Science Officer)
K'nah of the House of Tucker I.K.S Vagari (KDF Tactical)
Lord Ba'al Delta Recruit (KDF Tactical)
Playing KDF means Freedom, less guilt at the violence inherent in this game.
The KDF experience better reflects the cannon, while the Fed experience only Matches the Type of Federation that existed in Parallel history when we see the Enterprise-C.
I cannot see Feds reasonably using the alien Lock Box Ships, but my KDF main is a Privateer in service of the Empire, and She has several spoils of war ships.
The game just makes more sense from the Red side point of view, unless you theme you Fed as Section 31, which I did with my Fed Tact (More Franklin Drake for everyone please).
The smaller selection of ships, the need to use 4 Fleet modules to upgrade most of them, the that is all secondary, as despite that I find the KDF ships generally more enjoyable.
In 19 days I get the Peghqu' can't wait to that through the Delta Quadrant.
Vor'cha & Mat'ha FOREVER!
The KDF can do more with less.
They're definitely suited for war. Simple, not shiny, but laconically efficient when it comes to getting the job done.
We have a decent selection of ships. Mainly focused twoard Klingons in general, But I'm fine with that. Even though a couple more science ships would be nice.
My main right now is a Kligon Tac officer. I enjoy playing it because of the stright forwardness of how they are. There's not beat around the bush nor dilly dally around.
I also enjoy my Orion Science officer. Gives you a different perspetive on the empire itself.
For me it about how robust the Empire actually is. With the Gorn, Letheans, Naussicans, Orions, and Klingons, some how doing their own thing while maintaining the Empire itself. How each race has its own culture, but isn't restricted by rule nor regulations like the Federation is, and makes itself a valuable part of the Empire as a whole.
Player resilience , dev arrogance & ego driven stupidity .
And the opposite .
Player lack or appreciation for what we do have , dev triumphs (big and small) that we don't see , nor are we aware of stuff that wasn't "on the docket" but was done anyway by a dev who put in 110% effort .
... trip down memory lane is always educational , and sometimes amusing ...
Ok now that was funny and I remember a great deal of that from 2012-2013. had to take a break at the ROmulan release due to the Army sucking up my time, just got back. Tried playing my old federation characters. The ones I used to get to know the game.
Switched to KDF the same day I got back... haven't been back except to doff since.
GG, honorable warriors.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Lets not forget that war between the Federation and Empire started because how arrogant and stupid Starfleet was to not even acknowledge that the Undine had infiltrated their ranks. The Empire took action, cleansing their own empire and the Gorn, who instead of totally wiping out which would had served the Iconian interests absorbed them into their ranks making the Empire stronger to deal with the Iconian threat better.
Even the Andorian that Captains the Enterprise admits the Empire was correct in the episode where the Undine attack Earth and Qo'Nos.
Path to 2409, a good read.
It also means cloak sucks without the *battle* up front;)
Sadly no k'vort
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Then why is it that the Federation is the only side making an actual, effective, on-screen effort to track and kill Undine infiltrators?
Case in point: "Diplomatic Orders". Klingons think a Federation dignitary is an Undine. Instead of doing the smart thing and submitting their data under a flag of truce (BTW, people Fedside already suspected he was going senile, minimum), they're all "hur hur hur HONOR" and choose to fly a squadron of warships deep into enemy territory during a declared war and then demand that the Starfleet officer charged with escorting said dignitary just hand him over solely on their say-so. How the f*ck would you respond in Starfleet's shoes? Frankly, the Starfleet PC even asking them for their evidence instead of just blasting them on sight strains credulity.
And how does this "honorable warrior" respond? Does he take a step back, realize what a complete moronic TRIBBLE he looks like, and tell them where he's getting his information? No! He takes umbrage that this Starfleet officer would dare politely request that he back up his claim with evidence, and opens fire.
And then, yes, they turn out to be right, after they'd gotten themselves killed pointlessly when a little forethought and a thicker skin would've saved everyone a hell of a lot of hassle. Classical thoughtlessly violent Klingon stupidity. And guess who makes the kill? That's right: Starfleet.
Just like your beloved chancellor got a whole hell of a lot of people killed for no good purpose when he broke off the Khitomer Accords and then started ethnic cleansing operations against Federation civilians after the Federation told him to submit evidence or get his ships the f*ck back on his side of the border. Which, by the way, is exactly what the Klingons did to the Cardassians, and they played directly into the hands of the Dominion by doing so. This time it's the Iconians they're helping. Seems the Klingons have poor memories, or maybe they're too busy going "hur hur hur HONOR" to actually use what memory they have. Oh, and by the way, they were wrong about the Cardassians, which the Federation did remember. Remember that old tale about the boy who cried "wolf"?
Also, note that maybe two missions after "Diplomatic Orders", the Fed PC discovers and kills an Undine infiltrating the Klingons' ranks. :rolleyes:
Sorry, you don't win this one, ever. The Undine, and through them the Iconians, were never anything more than a convenient excuse for what J'mpok wanted to do all along. Which makes him dishonest in addition to a coward and war criminal who deliberately targets civilians and aids and abets the Orion slave trade. Not to mention his best bud B'Vat's plan to sic a planet killer on civilian targets to deliberately provoke a neverending war. Oh, and add to that the Klingons' habitual treatment of prisoners of war going back to well before the Dominion War. I recall a tale of how a Klingon officer deliberately ripped a Benzite captain's breathing tubes off so that she'd die slowly of suffocation.
So why don't you guys reread the Path to 2409, and your doff assignments while you're at it. Because for the second time in half a century, the Klingons started a stupid, pointless war for no other reason than because they wanted to conquer territory away from people, first the Gorn, then the Federation, whom they'd been feuding with for decades. They played directly into the Iconians' hands and have zero claim to any moral high ground, and quite frankly the way "Surface Tension" just glosses over the Klingons' contributions to the last several decades of idiocy on the part of the Alpha Quadrant powers is the worst part of the entire mission.
That's why my KDF toon is a Lethean. Because at least they and the Nausicaans are honest about what they're fighting for: money.
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As the OP of this thread im asking you to please stop trolling us here. The discussion is directed solely to the KDF players not fed players. and it so noted in the opening post.
so there is my attempt to handle you in a way the federation would approve of. if you respond any further it will be clear you are only trolling KDF players.
Just your luck: I am a KDF player. I have a non-farming, fully geared KDF toon that I play fairly regularly (or did before the Delta Recruit event dropped). So nice try with the trolling accusations but I am perfectly happy to sit here and call the faction out on its bullsh*t self-justifications. Just like I'm perfectly happy to call the Federation and the Romulans on it when they do stupid things, like not calling the Klingons on their TRIBBLE.
The Klingons made their bed, now they've got to lie in it. And if Cryptic doesn't have the balls to follow through to conclusion on the full implications of the story they wrote, then I will. You don't like it when I call your beloved chancellor the dishonest coward he is? Tough titties.
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Rebuttal: Said Federation starship captain was basically a low-ranking officer on a baby-sitting assignment in a Miranda-class, a ship that's been outdated since the 2360s. The Klingons thought they could kill two birds with one stone by killing the Undine AND wiping out a Federation ship, thus leaving one less ship to worry about in the war. The thing they didn't count on was your character having plot armor/being a total badass despite being a Lieutenant in charge of the equivalent of a PT boat.
Admiral Dananra Lekall - R.R.W. Teverresh, Deihu-class Warbird
General J'Kar son of K'tsulan - I.K.S. Dlahath, Vo'devwl-class Carrier
you already posted once on page 3 i think basically stating how much you dislike the kdf and its game play and being forced to commit so called war crimes. even though you play as a hired Lethean Merc. ok fine you made your statement of what it means to you. the trolling comes in when you start ranting yet again about how dumb the kdf is and quoting the in game lore info. which was not the question from the original post.