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deokkent
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They say ships are absolete... I still fly fleet b'rel just fine, the jem dreadnaught just fine, the fleet ambassador just fine and they SLAUGTERS everything bakayaro!
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I never understood that panic created by some players.
I am still using T5/U/FT5U ships for my stuff.
STO Player Definition of "Obsolete Ship": Any ship they own and love that just happens to not be the perfect super-hyper-ultimate-endgame ship that's continuously and actively updated when something new comes out for other ships.
Often used alongside dramatic statements over why their ships do deserve sudden super-special treatment; often with reasons that are ridiculously flimsy most of the time. Such as "Why can't X-ship have Commander Intel seating!? I don't wanna fly Y-ship because it's ugly!".
See also: Entitlement
Obsolete simply means that something is out of date, and not up to new standards, and that there is something better.
The Long range Science Vessel Retrofit is a prime example of a ship thats truly "Obsolete" in STO.
The Tier 6 Pathfinder being its replacement and superior to it in every aspect.
I've been using the term in the way that the ship is no longer the creme de la creme. However, you don't need to replace your ships.
In PvE, any ship will carry you through, as long as you know how to build one.
In PvP..... well thats a dead horse anyway, no point getting a ship built for a dead or dying aspect of the game.
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My lvl 60 Lethean just got done acquiring the Ship Trait from the Samsar, And I promptly put him back in another cruiser which is much more suited to his abilities as soon as he did so.
Some people see a 1969 Mustang Mach 1 as obsolete, no matter how you try to convince them otherwise. They hear you, they're just not paying attention. Right up to the point when you leave their brand new 2015 Camaro SS watching your tail lights pull away from them effortlessly at the intersection.
I like to think of my T5U FA as a '57 Chevy. 396 with a Holley 750 dropped in. Hurst shift kit for the Muncie 4 speed. Mickey Thompsons all around.
Can almost hear the Thrush glasspacks as I rumble up and down the Sirius Sector Strip.
T5 is obsolete, just as T4 is obsolete
Bingo on these 2 for what is considered obsolete.
Before DR, before even the mention of T6 or T5U. T5 ships were "it." They were the endgame ships. They had the perks over T4:
More hull
+1 console slot
+1 BOFF slot
On top of that, they had the T5 Lobi/Lockbox/Fleet ships.
Before DR, the vast majority of Endgame/Lv50 LtGen/VAdm in the game would not be caught flying in T4 ships. There was even the train of thought that it was beneath a Lv50 character to be caught flying a T5 Lv40 ship like the Fed Assault Cruiser, KDF Vor'Cha Retrofit.
Before DR, you could still fly T4 ships and maul the living **** out of this game. Hell, people had been doing that with shuttles and even T1 ships.
Post-DR, you can still fly T5 ships and maul the living **** out of this game.
But it all can be done with the bells & whistles of T6. And more people will do that eventually and leave behind their T5 for the very same reasons you left behind your T4 ship and went into T5. You left those T5 Lv40 ships for the very same reasons you went onto T5 C-Store, Fleet, Lockbox, Lobi ships.
I feel which one preformed the worst without a parser .
... should I call my Vulcan ship obsolete ... ? I mean I kind of think that way about my KTinga , which I have not updated since it came out ... but I still love it ...
Tier Five ships are still viable, just not as desirable as before Delta Rising went live.
If they were truly obsolete, as some claim, they would be ineffectual at endgame. Which, of course, is not the case by any stretch.
Viable and Obsolete are not complete opposites. There are plenty of things that might make something obsolete but still remains viable. The US Military often utilizes equipment and vehicles that are otherwise obsolete. The equipment and vehicles can still get the job done they just arent the newest version or model.
The best example of this in my opinion is the U.S. Air Forces A-10 Thunderbolt II "Warthog" Attack Jet. The U.S. Air Force would love to replace this jet with the F35A Stealth Jet as they consider the A-10 obsolete. But because of its design it remains one of the most viable Air-Ground Attack craft.
So does Starfleet for that matter. The Miranda- and Excelsior-class ships served right alongside Galaxy- and Defiant-class ships in canon.
U.S.S. Tempest
The A-10 isn't obsolete. It continues to do exactly what it was designed to do. It never had all of the bells and whistles of more advanced aircraft over it's service life. That was the idea behind it from drawing board to production.
On the other hand, the M4E8 Sherman is an example of what is obsolete. It's no longer viable as a combat vehicle in the early 21st Century.
That's a far cry from what people like to say about Tier Five ships in this game.
I would expect that Starfleet has always approached their Starships with refits and retrofits in mind. So while a Starship may become obsolete it would remain viable for decades.
Players arent wrong in that eventually their starships become obsolete. They may not be as obsolete as they make them out to be. But Id like to see someone take a T4 Starship into an Elite run on the Queues. Because in my opinion there are very few people in this game that would know the game and ship good enough to make it happen and succeed.
I dont see T5 and T5U becoming as obsolete as a T4 for atleast another two or so Seasons. But its coming as Cryptic has pretty much confirmed FT6s are on their long range sensors.
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This pretty much...the next new ship could perform 0.0001% more dps than the last ship...and the last ship would be *obsolete*.
well OP initially i freaked when T6s were released as i saw some of the iconic ships from the series and movies being made obsolete by the t6s.
But after buying a T6 i relised they are way overrated your really only buying the mastery trait the ship itself which i got the presidio class is pretty average both my fleet excelsior retrofit and my monbosh out perfom it in every aspect.
Now that i got the trait i see no use for that ship except to take up space in my drydocks
So true. I recently took my T5-U APU inside a PUG instance of CSA (for lolz), never died, and still took first place, thank you! :P
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APU is, all lolz aside, actually a pretty decent ship. I ran it with dual EPtS1, dual A2D1, dual EPtW3, making it nimble, resilient, and dishing out a lot of weps power.
a direct example of an obselete ship is a t2 connie refit trying to do t5u/t6 content and failing to get anywhere because the ship is haplessly outmatched in all areas and just a waste of good people on the ship itself. it has fallen so far behind in the technology race that its a massive liability rather then an asset.
so naturally the thing you want to do is find a ship in the t4.5(RA)/t5(VA)/t5.5(Fleet)/t5u(Upgrade)/t6 ranges at the very least to keep up, but a ship by itself in that range is no good without good weapons, shields, engines...
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
i am aware of these people running t1 ships in places they dont belong, but your using an example of a minority of players who can run it without issue which is part of the reason, not every person can do these things. unless you can show to me that over 3/4 of the players in this game can and have already done it..
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Any ship other than the Scimitar that isn't Tier 6 is basically obsolete. The Scimitar gets a pass because it was already overpowered for Tier 5, due to a multitude of factors.
Tier 6 ships have one extra boff slot and one extra console slot compared to a similar Tier 5 ship model. (E.g. if you compare non-fleet Tier 5 with non-fleet Tier 6, or fleet Tier 5 with fleet Tier 6). They also have access to specialization abilities, that will actually allow them to pick powers without running into shared cooldown issues that the Tier 5 ships had (and would only get worse with an additional BO slot).
Tier 5 and Tier 5 Upgrade ships still perform just as before, but the Tier 6 ships will perform better, and thus Tier 5 is obsolete.
Of course, you are free to use another definition for "obsolete", but ... Would that not work just as well for using Tier 4 ships before Delta Rising? You could absolutely send them into Infected Elite or what-you-have and get good results. Would you really not consider them obsolete for that? What about Tier 3?
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