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praxi5
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I loaded up my Wells to the teeth with Defense skills.
... but it was useless, since 80% of the time, I was disabled (gg Viral Torp). Plus all the heals in the world don't matter when you go from full hull and shields to dead in the blink of an eye because of constant BO Crits and Neutronic Spreads.
I get that Neutronic is getting fixed, but there's still way more work to be done. Until that time, I'll be running an occassional STF or two.
Thanks to horrid short sightedness and money grabbing, what was once (and still has the potential to) be the gold standard for Space MMO PvP is... not.
... but it was useless, since 80% of the time, I was disabled (gg Viral Torp). Plus all the heals in the world don't matter when you go from full hull and shields to dead in the blink of an eye because of constant BO Crits and Neutronic Spreads.
I get that Neutronic is getting fixed, but there's still way more work to be done. Until that time, I'll be running an occassional STF or two.
Thanks to horrid short sightedness and money grabbing, what was once (and still has the potential to) be the gold standard for Space MMO PvP is... not.
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You expected to survive in a Wells?
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Rouge Sto Wiki Editor.
Lol, even if I built my Palisade like a tank, it would suffer the same fate. Stupid SS3 is still not getting any sort of balance pass.
sto can never be a gold standard for space PvP since nothing actually takes place in what would be considered a space environment so your hopes are in vain. now, it could be good as a combat sub sim, since that's how stos 'space' works.
Donate Brains, zombies in Washington DC are starving.
Wells is ez pz to fly. Are you blazed m8?
Feedback. Pulse.
I run an ultra-tanky palisade, and it works very well.
Don't know if you've heard, but Surgical Strikes + Rock & Roll completely defeats FBP, and all other damage reflect powers in STO. You can kill the FBPer with SS, and R&R to escape any reflected damage.
If you're in a wells then you have both Rock and Roll AND Temporal Backstep. Which means you can use Rock and Roll twice as often as the Surgical Strikes user...not to mention Backstep...which also makes you immune to all damage for several seconds.
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Real join date: March 2012 / PvP Veteran since May 2012 (Ground and Space)
that but according to Geko you get vaped because you suck.The game is fine is just people are idiots and steam charts lie about players leaving the game.
Reinforces the notion that I was right to leave this pos excuse for an mmo behind when I did. :P
The gameplay was way too fast.
Escorts zooming in and out of combat. T6 cruisers being one or two shotted constantly. No time to call targets or have any kind of coordinated team healing.
Leaderboards and new queues won't make a difference: STO PvP has completely changed for the worse and it's dead to me now.
The positive side of this experience is now I don't waste my time with STO. Uninstalled the game and going to War Thunder.
/+1
actually those zippies are one of my major concerns pre- and post-dr
PvP is a lost cause.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
sad but true! indeed, after popping into 2 c&h's (one on my bop, map filled up with zippies. i left.) and one on my sci (blink-of-an-eye intel slaughtered 2 times), i start to feel the same way. and that's really sad to me, cause i loved to pew in here.
s5 pvp server ftw!
Yes, SS3 is deadly. As are some other builds.
To get one build so specialized, there's a lot of work/ressources going into that. And no build is invincible.
Took me quite a time to get the ship/gear and upgrades I wanted for that toon.
I have been alphed by ships that were flying faster than their cannon could fire. they were past me before the rounds hit (and killed) me. Was I annoyed? Heck, yes. Unbalanced? Maybe a bit. But it takes a good player to make such a powerful build. Also don't forget: this makes them very vulnerable - if they make a mistake, they die.
There are some counters. Feedback pulse, jam sensors, evade target lock,...
I hate it if people don't accept that there are some very good players.
One of my toons has close to 400 flow caps, uses Tyken rift, energy syphon and aceton assimilators. With a bit of luck I can drain an enemy to all power lvls 0 and then kill them off. At least if they are not protected at all against Power drain. I sometimes heard that I was cheating or whatever...
Annoying about PvP atm is tha LAG - SS3 allows you to shoot from cloaked. If I hit FBP the attacker doesn't have shields. However: I hit FBP and wait for 2 seconds before I 1.) die and 2.) respawn with the skill not on CD because it never got activated. This has happened also while I was capping - so no, I wasn't clicking buttons or hitting space. It was just lag.
And another thing that's annoying: There are virtually no rewards for PvP, which makes it less attacktive. I have 14 toons - have to lvl and equip them. And as much as I enjoy PvP, I harldy do that now as I have to grind more
KDF: 2 tacs, 2 engs, 3 scis
KDF Roms: 3 tacs, 1 eng, 1 scis
FED: 2 tacs, 1 eng, 2 scis
TOS: 1 tac
all on T5 rep (up to temporal)
all have mastered Intel tree (and some more specs Points)
highest DPS: 60.982
Escort zooming in and out of combat.
That's what escorts always did in PvP.
it's not that most people in here complaining about loosing to a good player. indeed most of them are good players and could built a zippy-build f.e. themselves (i may be not that good, but i could). in my case it's just that i refuse to to use most things i not want to get used on me!
and that list is a long one post-dr lol. i got most stuff i'd need to make these builds (zippers, intel-vapers, got a nice drain-build, whatnot), but to me it totally differs from what i was seeking in here when pvp was fun to me.
even camera can't hold up with the targets lol....
before all that stuff a good pilot could win a match by skill, it less was about the stuff. now it's about the stuff u bring, u don't need skill. skill just makes it worser for the other person.
not with such speed! cam could hold up and they not have been faster than their volleys. when i saw that conn-hologramm the first time i just had the feeling of overkill. escorts already were fast at that point (way too fast for my taste, and i did fly lots of scorts), but that doff just seemed/seems ridicoulus.
funny sidenote: when the risian corvette first came out i tried it out with cannons and really didn't like it! way too fast, way too much turn for my taste and in comparison to what i was used to by that time.
made it a scary beam-scort, one of the first i saw by that time. fun for in between, but totally no piloting skill needed to fly it lol.
Yeah.. but they one shot your friend and by the time I turn my escort to alpha they are 20k away. By the time I found another target I was killed by another escort. These are not cloakers. They were Phantom escorts rushing in and one shoting anything that moved and moving out again.
I've never had any problems with good players. I was PvP'ing for 4 years. I've lost to much better players than I was and never complained. I admired their skill.
But now the game has changed and it's super fast one-shot kills that dominates. I don't like that kind of game, and I don't admire whatever skill it takes to do it.
+1 on that!
I loved the risian escort, had many great games in it. :cool:
The Evil Queen - Tac - Hobo
John May Lives - Sci - Hobo
jooooll
now i've to think off my dhc-gal-x when everybody was saying it's impossible (turnrate 30+. ngh to keep up with most scorts those days).... good times
Yeah, I agree with this. I don't want to 'adapt' to something I hate.
The person who's willing to grind the most and pay Cryptic for the T6 ship will win. My T5-U Temporal destroyer with all Mk XIV equipment is just fodder because it's slow.
Taking the time to look at your enemy, assess if he's a good target or not and then coordinating your team just gets you, and a good portion of your team, killed.
wast, flying escort means going fast. You just don't seem able nor to pilot them, nor to fight them properly. You should learn something on that regard. Really, your arguments on escorts are invalid lol.
Make a distinction please. One thing are Phantoms (and you're right) skillessly oneshotting with Surgical.
Another thing are normal escorts (note: I don't mean the newest ones) striking you in seconds to 0%. I used to do that on the Tempest with BO3, cannons and Nadeon Saturation Bomb. If the target didn't wake up in time, they were gone before knowing I was arriving.
well, regarding current meta i may not can in the way how i could before. but, as said: before this meta i succesfully fought scorts on a dhc-gal-x. as for my piloting skills: ask others about those (f.e. mrx, mdl, jif, reggie, parkie, whoever), as i'm the wrong to answer that
and it's not that i may not could, it's more that i absolutely don't like it and so refuse to do it. it's not related to fun to me in any way
consistent fights that involve piloting, that's what i liked. not a knights-tourney style that zipping is so much about. u can like it, it's ok.
but don't u personally judge my opinion, experience with scorts nor my skill only because we disagree on zipping, as i don't do on yours! :P
tbh: i hardly ever could respect people who used a2b, if on cruisers or scorts: doesn't matter to me. but do i blame any of those people personally? nope, i don't! i blame cryptic for providing such abilities and for progressing the meta in the direction it took, at least since lor!
I was describing what happened to me during my most recent and last PvP match.
One shots have been here a long time, and I have never minded someone who can do it. Even vapers, because it's hard to time and it takes practice.
hmmm.... really not got the mood to read it all, but some things stroke my eyes:
- best matches have been those without pug-stomping and i've never been a friend of that!
- got a channel running for pug-mades for quite some time. why did i? easy: to have the chance to compete with all those premades in the q's back in the days and many times we did q up splitted to get a challenge (and to get the nice ones onto my friends-list of course
- ran all types of ships in pvp on my main-tac. cruisers, sci-ships, scorts. performed in most of them better than one may would've expected
(to note: non-a2b tac cruisers or whatevers! i drop this cause some do think only that made cruisers viable. that's still bs imho
- many called it scorts online, which mostly got changed by a2b. referring on the note above i always thought that's only half of the truth/bs.
just as with the jhas: it was so much about the pilot! jhas never was an "i-win" button like the stuff we got now! sure, in decent hands it was very dangerous, but not over the top.
- fought an engie in a charal that made it to own me and 2 other and better pilots than me, i think it even was pre-lor (or around that time; fear lourens lol).
engies can do damage, one only seems to have to know how, at least back in the days