Well that does make sense. Like a pink painted, and lit magnesiumflares carrying, stealthbomber in a covered operation ...
Picard would say:"You have adaptive hull armor. Use it!"
eheh, by all means my heal Odyssey is comparable to, in 1945 terms, a SuperFortress bomber :P
+60% resists are a pain to overcome, getting to absolute impossible if we consider 300 shield emitters skill lol
Thats no solution. I want a realistic protection which means, up to 100%, Like it would be in the reality. You dont understand that? Fine, than bugger off! You are not helpfull.
What reality do you live in? No combat vessel in existence is invulnerable.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
My Oddy was at 75 k hull points and over 60 % protection on the most common weapons . before they nerfed it for the absolutely stupid DR Ad on. i dont care if they wont give us 100% . i just want it back to the way it was before. I mean ships dont get weaker just because they "sail in to new, uncharted, teritory". Thats just bull****.
Technically, it makes perfect sense. If you don't know what weapons your enemy has when you "sail into new, uncharted territory" then you can't adequately prepare your defenses against them. Especially if they're using something you've never seen before.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
Of course they arent! Still you cant kill a warship with accid rounds. You dont read the post at all budy. I sayd: "if you where protected against plasma, you still have to dell with the heat damage and the kinetik energy. The only thing you did not worry about is those plasma burns because against those you are protected.
So get lost!
I did read your post. I'll quote it back to you again so you can too.
I want a realistic protection which means, up to 100%, Like it would be in the reality.
Now I'll quote myself so you can see it in proper context.
What reality do you live in? No combat vessel in existence is invulnerable.
There is nothing in this reality that is completely immune to anything.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
You dont get it. A fierfighter is protected to 100% against a housefire, for a relatively long time, do you deny that? And the hull armorplatings are doing the same job. So please get lost or i block you.
"for a relatively long time" is by definition not 100% invulnerability. They will eventually succumb to the fire in one way or another, so they may have very high resistance but they are not immune.
Armor plating is similarly not invulnerable. Or are you saying a tank has never been lost in a war? That a battleship has never been sunk?
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
My Odyssey sits at 50% base, can get higher than 60 in combat. To reach 75% you're going to need external help.
It's possible to get your own ship up to ~70%, and spike it up to 74% kinetic should you really feel like it, but going over 75% requires Ablative Armor, since it's classified as 'bonus resist', and goes in it's own curve. Ablative will take your resist to between 90% and 97.4% for the duration.
~50% seems to be a good way to go, from a CBA perspective.
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The OP seems to not know that "heat" and plasmaburn from borg are one at the same, as the borg fire plasmabeams, which are emitting...plasmaenergy. Just like the plasmaburns.
The people disagreeing with you DO get it. The one who isn't understanding is you.
100% resistance to damage would be pointless and completely unrealistic (even within the IP). Looking for "realism" in a scifi game is kind of silly, especially this one, since Star Trek IP has this habit of choosing "is it cool" over "do the physics of this work?"
I get that you want to be a the hero in a game. It's not heroic, though, if you don't face any sort of danger.
Again, you getting damaged, and even exploding is completely canon.
Yes. My Eng slots are filled completely with Universals (Assimilated, Leech, Valdore on my Rom, Bioneural Infusion Circuits, etc.) If I had a spare slot, I'd use the Zero-Point Conduit. Literally no room for any sort of armor console.
I also only ever take Rank 3 in the two armor skills.
Thats no solution. I want a realistic protection which means, up to 100%, Like it would be in the reality. You dont understand that? Fine, than bugger off! You are not helpfull.
You do understand that, in reality, physics would take hold of your armored ship and shake it apart, right? Any ship that was 100% invulnerable to attack would have no open points, which means no weapons ports, no engine ports, etc... It would basically have to be a small planet, with the crew trapped inside, unable to do anything. Even then, there are "Planet Killers" in game, so...
You dont get it. A fierfighter is protected to 100% against a housefire, for a relatively long time, do you deny that? And the hull armorplatings are doing the same job. So please get lost or i block you.
A Firefighter is not 100% protected against a house fire. There are stories in the news all the time about firefighters loosing their lives trying to save someone else in a fire. The only way a FF is 100% safe is when he's at rest in the firehouse.
You dont get it. A fierfighter is protected to 100% against a housefire, for a relatively long time, do you deny that? And the hull armorplatings are doing the same job. So please get lost or i block you.
Guess you popped again because of a borg probe returning fire, eh?
Resistencies are fine the way they are, depending on the BO-Abilities, its rather easy to get 55-60% hull resistencies (on a cruiser, on escorts and co around 40%) with a single neutronium and 70%+ shieldres, thus negating a huge amount of enemy fire.
Ok you trolls.
Start reading betwen the letters! Wil ya?
No ****ing 21st Century Destroyer, is a "easy to destroy", target for another one.
It swimms, and swimms, and fires on you back till no one is still alive on it. And if his computersystem's are still running it may be even able, to fire after all sailors, are dead till all ammo is gone.
Hah, no. One or two Harpoons puts everything smaller than a carrier at the bottom of the sea. Only variable there is how many you'd need to actually fire at the target in order to overwhelm the CIWS.
Heavily-armored battleships were obsolete before WW2 was over. Naval combat and tank-versus-tank combat share some similarities inasmuch as the guy who finds the enemy first and shoots the enemy first is usually the guy who wins.
Particularly with tanks, it's all about optics/sensors, mobility, and first-shot-kill probability, because they're all pretty much capable of one-shotting each other.
"If you can be seen, you can be hit. If you can be hit, you can be penetrated. If you can be penetrated, you can be killed."
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Ok you trolls.
Start reading betwen the letters! Wil ya?
No ****ing 21st Century Destroyer, is a "easy to destroy", target for another one.
It swimms, and swimms, and fires on you back till no one is still alive on it. And if his computersystem's are still running it may be even able, to fire after all sailors, are dead till all ammo is gone.
And i want nothing less, from a so called "Futre Spaceship" thatis build not only, for "science" but also for full fletched war.
And of course firefighters die.
But mostly not because of "some fire". But because they Air suport is gone, or something heavy felt on them or they just lost conciousness. And plasma beams stil hurt your ship, even without to "set it on fire" (Which is by the way impossible, because we are in space) So you can FU!
You nothing knowing, coutchpotato Google trolls.
Need "google"?
Here! https://vimeo.com/15612301 And that ship wasnt even armed.
Dude... you became the Troll the minute you started ATTACKING people with logical counter-arguments.
In game mechanics, 100% Resistance = TOTAL negation of Damage which means INVULNERABILITY. Essentially you would be flying a Godship. That would throw what little balance we have out the window, nuke PvP even more than it is, and basically render this game pointless to play.
There is absolutely nothing in reality that has that kind of resistance. Castles crumble, armor fails, protective gear can be damaged...
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Hah, no. One or two Harpoons puts everything smaller than a carrier at the bottom of the sea. Only variable there is how many you'd need to actually fire at the target in order to overwhelm the CIWS.
Heavily-armored battleships were obsolete before WW2 was over. Naval combat and tank-versus-tank combat share some similarities inasmuch as the guy who finds the enemy first and shoots the enemy first is usually the guy who wins.
Particularly with tanks, it's all about optics/sensors, mobility, and first-shot-kill probability, because they're all pretty much capable of one-shotting each other.
"If you can be seen, you can be hit. If you can be hit, you can be penetrated. If you can be penetrated, you can be killed."
Being Ex Military I'll tell you That is very very true Armor gets added weapons get advanced for more Pen armor negated Heck the most survivable tank is only that because they put the engine in the front so the round has more to go through to kill the crew and with that I suggest you do what I do Forget Damage Res. Just go for more Hull I got an advanced obelisk with 108k hull I take lots of damage but I don't Die same thing with a modern carrier it will take lots of damage but it keeps on fighting not because of Armor but just because there is so much that can be damaged or destroyed before it sinks. Just my two bits. Trolls Go at it
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eheh, by all means my heal Odyssey is comparable to, in 1945 terms, a SuperFortress bomber :P
+60% resists are a pain to overcome, getting to absolute impossible if we consider 300 shield emitters skill lol
What reality do you live in? No combat vessel in existence is invulnerable.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
I felt the same way you did when I first saw it
Technically, it makes perfect sense. If you don't know what weapons your enemy has when you "sail into new, uncharted territory" then you can't adequately prepare your defenses against them. Especially if they're using something you've never seen before.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
I did read your post. I'll quote it back to you again so you can too.
Now I'll quote myself so you can see it in proper context.
There is nothing in this reality that is completely immune to anything.
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
"for a relatively long time" is by definition not 100% invulnerability. They will eventually succumb to the fire in one way or another, so they may have very high resistance but they are not immune.
Armor plating is similarly not invulnerable. Or are you saying a tank has never been lost in a war? That a battleship has never been sunk?
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
It's possible to get your own ship up to ~70%, and spike it up to 74% kinetic should you really feel like it, but going over 75% requires Ablative Armor, since it's classified as 'bonus resist', and goes in it's own curve. Ablative will take your resist to between 90% and 97.4% for the duration.
~50% seems to be a good way to go, from a CBA perspective.
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well, kind of
but they do it for a reason, to keep any one stat from taking over the game
like I said, I felt similarly when I understood this, but it's just part of these games
everyone does it, (I mean, just about every game)
so once I understood that, I got over it
The people disagreeing with you DO get it. The one who isn't understanding is you.
100% resistance to damage would be pointless and completely unrealistic (even within the IP). Looking for "realism" in a scifi game is kind of silly, especially this one, since Star Trek IP has this habit of choosing "is it cool" over "do the physics of this work?"
I get that you want to be a the hero in a game. It's not heroic, though, if you don't face any sort of danger.
Again, you getting damaged, and even exploding is completely canon.
Yes. My Eng slots are filled completely with Universals (Assimilated, Leech, Valdore on my Rom, Bioneural Infusion Circuits, etc.) If I had a spare slot, I'd use the Zero-Point Conduit. Literally no room for any sort of armor console.
I also only ever take Rank 3 in the two armor skills.
They do. You just suck, sorry.
It seems you are taking Adam Savage's catchphrase a little too much to heart.
Hmmm.
*Google*
Firefighter killed, five injured in Macon house fire.
No, I don't think firefighters are 100% protected against a housefire.
Resistencies are fine the way they are, depending on the BO-Abilities, its rather easy to get 55-60% hull resistencies (on a cruiser, on escorts and co around 40%) with a single neutronium and 70%+ shieldres, thus negating a huge amount of enemy fire.
What you want is just a bad players remedy.
Hah, no. One or two Harpoons puts everything smaller than a carrier at the bottom of the sea. Only variable there is how many you'd need to actually fire at the target in order to overwhelm the CIWS.
Heavily-armored battleships were obsolete before WW2 was over. Naval combat and tank-versus-tank combat share some similarities inasmuch as the guy who finds the enemy first and shoots the enemy first is usually the guy who wins.
Particularly with tanks, it's all about optics/sensors, mobility, and first-shot-kill probability, because they're all pretty much capable of one-shotting each other.
"If you can be seen, you can be hit. If you can be hit, you can be penetrated. If you can be penetrated, you can be killed."
Dude... you became the Troll the minute you started ATTACKING people with logical counter-arguments.
In game mechanics, 100% Resistance = TOTAL negation of Damage which means INVULNERABILITY. Essentially you would be flying a Godship. That would throw what little balance we have out the window, nuke PvP even more than it is, and basically render this game pointless to play.
There is absolutely nothing in reality that has that kind of resistance. Castles crumble, armor fails, protective gear can be damaged...
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Being Ex Military I'll tell you That is very very true Armor gets added weapons get advanced for more Pen armor negated Heck the most survivable tank is only that because they put the engine in the front so the round has more to go through to kill the crew and with that I suggest you do what I do Forget Damage Res. Just go for more Hull I got an advanced obelisk with 108k hull I take lots of damage but I don't Die same thing with a modern carrier it will take lots of damage but it keeps on fighting not because of Armor but just because there is so much that can be damaged or destroyed before it sinks. Just my two bits. Trolls Go at it
When what they should be flying, is an STO vessel!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
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