test content
  • Games
  • Social
  • Arc News
  • Support
  • Zen
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
Forums > Home› Star Trek Online General Discussion

Why No Playable Dog Race?

repetitiveepicrepetitiveepic Member Posts: 6,549 Arc User
edited February 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
There are playable cats in STO, why not playable dogs?

Cats are nice and all, but I think bipedal humanoid dogs would be more interesting.

After all, there are many different breeds of dogs such as:

http://cdn-www.dailypuppy.com/media/dogs/anonymous/Griffin_ShihTzu_01.jpg_w450.jpg
http://www.librarydogs.com/opt_images/Oregon-Fredi_smile.jpg
http://petcollectionworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/puppy-pekingese.jpg
http://www.primebeautyblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/chinese-shar-pei-0087-300x244.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Pug_portrait.jpg/1280px-Pug_portrait.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/03_Bokeh_the_Chow.jpg/1024px-03_Bokeh_the_Chow.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AttentiveChin.JPG/640px-AttentiveChin.JPG



And we could use the character creator to make our own dog breeds.

It doesn't seem fair to dog lovers that there are no playable dog race in the game, and it would drive c-store sales to have them.
Post edited by Unknown User on
«1

Comments

  • ussdelphin2ussdelphin2 Member Posts: 525 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I have often thought that myself, I personally would not make one but this game this game only caters to those with cat a obsessions/fetish.
    How I picture a lot of the forumites :P
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    It's primarily because the cat people are actually present in Star Trek (The animated series and two movies sport them, albeit very briefly). There is no dog race in canon, only the Anticans come close but they just resemble dogs as much as Tellarites resemble pigs (meaning only "kinda". I would like anthropomorphed pigs :D).


    I personally would support more races that sport animalistic features. I still want space cows :cool: But at least some parts like tails, fur, whiskers, paws, claws and hooves would be appreciated for the alien creator.
    lFC4bt2.gif
    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
    #TASforSTO
    Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
    leviathan99#2867
         Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    It's primarily because the cat people are actually present in Star Trek (The animated series and two movies sport them, albeit very briefly). There is no dog race in canon, only the Anticans come close but they just resemble dogs as much as Tellarites resemble pigs (meaning only "kinda". I would like anthropomorphed pigs :D).


    I personally would support more races that sport animalistic features. I still want space cows :cool: But at least some parts like tails, fur, whiskers, paws, claws and hooves would be appreciated for the alien creator.

    I think Grazerites would come close to space cows even if they're more goat.

    The trick, I think, would be convincing CBS that the Grazerites we have seen are VERY OLD (and leaving that as an option) while introducing you, wrinkle-free, furrier Grazerites that are more in the vein of WoW's Taurens.

    CBS has signed off on RPG materials before that indicated that only the aged Grazerites are furless and that suggested cow fur patterns for younger ones.

    Similarly, you might be able to pull similar tricks with Anticans/Selay for dog and snake people if you suggest that much like real dogs and snakes very grealy by breed and much like Xindi had vast diversity, perhaps Anticans INCLUDE the ones we've seen but also a variety of dog people based on different breeds, with varying levels of dog-iness. Just keeping that ridge and a general concept of a dog style head as the defining characteristics.
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited February 2015
    This content has been removed.
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited February 2015
    This content has been removed.
  • dragnridrdragnridr Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I agree with the original poster. One race of the Breen is a Dog-like race. I would love to see one of them as playable.
    latest?cb=20141230104800&path-prefix=en
  • richardcranium63richardcranium63 Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Although the Breen are not a playable race, it has been speculated that they are a dog-like or wolf-like species, perhaps owing to the snouts on their helmets.
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Breen - Appendices Background section reference to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion
    RichardCranium63
    Fed/Vulcan: T'jar Voltek Fleet: Section 31
    Fed/Andorian: Lissan Ek'Noor sh'Aqabaa Fleet: Section 31
    KDF/Cardi: K'Im Qah da Sian Fleet: Klingon Intelligence
    KDF/Reman: R'Chras Jonzor Fleet: Klingon Intelligence
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I don't think we need a species of Dog, no. What we could do with though, is a species of Lycanthrope. IIRC the Tzenkethi are suppose to be such a species, though Cryptic aren't allowed to use them for whatever reason. :(
    richardcranium63 wrote: »
    Although the Breen are not a playable race, it has been speculated that they are a dog-like or wolf-like species, perhaps owing to the snouts on their helmets.
    Considering the Breen don't have blood, I find it unlikely that they're a dog-like species.
    attachment.php?attachmentid=42556&d=1518094222
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Cryptic... make a mission where Q turns us into a beagle.
    zx2t8tuj4i10.png
    Thank you for the Typhoon!
  • garaks31garaks31 Member Posts: 2,845 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    yea i'm not some sad cat lady :P
    i want melmakians! :rolleyes:
    tmprl.jpg?width=998&height=499

    https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1249570/axanar-locks-in-start-date-for-filming
  • hojain2020hojain2020 Member Posts: 417 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I think this would be perfect.. a full playable DOG race for all of us to enjoy!! It would be the perfect anniversar "surprise" gift... oh please add sro and other dps boosting traits as well sci stuff traits to this race.. i think we would find a large no of peeps getting it.
    STO NPC AI LEVEL--->
    bollywood15_zpskyztknwo.gif
  • alexvio1alexvio1 Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Maybe because I hate dogs? And stop creating dogs threads...
  • UnknownUnknown
    edited February 2015
    This content has been removed.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    stoleviathan99 wrote: »
    I think Grazerites would come close to space cows even if they're more goat.

    The trick, I think, would be convincing CBS that the Grazerites we have seen are VERY OLD (and leaving that as an option) while introducing you, wrinkle-free, furrier Grazerites that are more in the vein of WoW's Taurens.

    CBS has signed off on RPG materials before that indicated that only the aged Grazerites are furless and that suggested cow fur patterns for younger ones.

    Similarly, you might be able to pull similar tricks with Anticans/Selay for dog and snake people if you suggest that much like real dogs and snakes very grealy by breed and much like Xindi had vast diversity, perhaps Anticans INCLUDE the ones we've seen but also a variety of dog people based on different breeds, with varying levels of dog-iness. Just keeping that ridge and a general concept of a dog style head as the defining characteristics.

    I actually did forget about Grazerites completely. Considering this, I really like your approach and would support it.

    Star Trek was always about the alien of the week. And while few aliens were completely different (budget and lore reasons like they all share the progenitor genes) we should expect to see all kinds of aliens in Star Trek. Especially if we can explore a lesser known portion of the galaxy. The borders of Tholian space for example are rather close to the UFPs territory.
    lFC4bt2.gif
    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
    #TASforSTO
    Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
  • tanthotantho Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    repetitiveepic wrote: »
    There are playable cats in STO, why not playable dogs?

    Cats are nice and all, but I think bipedal humanoid dogs would be more interesting.

    After all, there are many different breeds of dogs such as:

    http://cdn-www.dailypuppy.com/media/dogs/anonymous/Griffin_ShihTzu_01.jpg_w450.jpg
    http://www.librarydogs.com/opt_images/Oregon-Fredi_smile.jpg
    http://petcollectionworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/puppy-pekingese.jpg
    http://www.primebeautyblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/chinese-shar-pei-0087-300x244.jpg
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Pug_portrait.jpg/1280px-Pug_portrait.jpg
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/03_Bokeh_the_Chow.jpg/1024px-03_Bokeh_the_Chow.jpg
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AttentiveChin.JPG/640px-AttentiveChin.JPG



    And we could use the character creator to make our own dog breeds.

    It doesn't seem fair to dog lovers that there are no playable dog race in the game, and it would drive c-store sales to have them.



    Simple solution. Grab a cat, RIP the fur off of it!! There... now you have a hairless chiwawa. There's your dog... problem solved.
    This is STO not Spaceballs
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Lets get one thing straight: Theres no such thing as a "Dog" that is lower than your knees...

    If it's lower than your knees, its called a "rat".

    Apart from that, +1 from me... Dog species please.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,473 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    sopwithsnipe wrote: »
    Because Cryptic/PWE/CBS doesn't want a character race prone to sniffing each others butts and/or dry humping each others legs.
    Yeah, the players do enough of that already. ;)

    Personally, I want aliens that are, well, alien. Playable Horta. Something as unlike humans as are, say, Moties or Pierson's puppeteers. Even something like Diane Duane's Sulamid would be nice.
    Lorna-Wing-sig.png
  • alex284alex284 Member Posts: 366 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    What about dogs as pets? Porthos appeared in far more episodes than Spot ever did.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    anazonda wrote: »
    Lets get one thing straight: Theres no such thing as a "Dog" that is lower than your knees...

    If it's lower than your knees, its called a "rat".

    Apart from that, +1 from me... Dog species please.

    Except Beagles right?

    *Sharpens over sized Bat'leth*
    zx2t8tuj4i10.png
    Thank you for the Typhoon!
  • wombat140wombat140 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I'm all in favour of more non-humanoid species, it would be more interesting. Dogs maybe a little obvious, though - I'd prefer something that wasn't obviously a straight copy of any Earth species. (I've a soft spot for Worffan's little lizard thing S'lin Ta'kat).
    flash525 wrote: »
    I don't think we need a species of Dog, no. What we could do with though, is a species of Lycanthrope. IIRC the Tzenkethi are suppose to be such a species, though Cryptic aren't allowed to use them for whatever reason. :(

    Just looked up the Tzenkethi, and no - they're armoured reptiles. The exception is the Typhon Pact novels, which always have to do everything differently, and in which they're very weird creatures, humanoid but practically boneless (they're built around sacs of liquid instead, like an earthworm), and found in all the colours of the rainbow. Reading between the lines, I think they're supposed to look a bit like large Roswell aliens.

    I thought "lycanthrope" meant a werewolf, so surely a lycanthrope race would look the same as a dog race (or wolf race, to be exact), when it wasn't in human form?
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    repetitiveepic wrote: »
    There are playable cats in STO, why not playable dogs?

    Cats are nice and all, but I think bipedal humanoid dogs would be more interesting.

    After all, there are many different breeds of dogs such as:

    http://cdn-www.dailypuppy.com/media/dogs/anonymous/Griffin_ShihTzu_01.jpg_w450.jpg
    http://www.librarydogs.com/opt_images/Oregon-Fredi_smile.jpg
    http://petcollectionworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/puppy-pekingese.jpg
    http://www.primebeautyblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/chinese-shar-pei-0087-300x244.jpg
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Pug_portrait.jpg/1280px-Pug_portrait.jpg
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/03_Bokeh_the_Chow.jpg/1024px-03_Bokeh_the_Chow.jpg
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/AttentiveChin.JPG/640px-AttentiveChin.JPG

    And we could use the character creator to make our own dog breeds.

    It doesn't seem fair to dog lovers that there are no playable dog race in the game, and it would drive c-store sales to have them.
    1: rat, Manchurian barking
    2: looks too dumb to fly a ship
    3: rat, Cantonese barking
    4: probably couldn't operate any equipment
    5: rat, Centaurian short faced
    6: enh passable, but the shed fur would clog the ventilation system
    7: rat, Beijing barking

    THIS is s real dog. or this
    flash525 wrote: »
    I don't think we need a species of Dog, no. What we could do with though, is a species of Lycanthrope. IIRC the Tzenkethi are suppose to be such a species, though Cryptic aren't allowed to use them for whatever reason. :(

    Considering the Breen don't have blood, I find it unlikely that they're a dog-like species.
    The original creator of the Tzenkethi said they were meant to be reptilian. One set of books had them as bioluminescent humanoids. I don't think that Cryptic is unable to use them, but they have little reason to do so as they'd have to, essentially, make them from scratch.
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    My character Tsin'xing
    Costume_marhawkman_Tsin%27xing_CC_Comic_Page_Blue_488916968.jpg
  • ceekayzeroceekayzero Member Posts: 411 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    repetitiveepic wrote: »
    Don't be hateful.

    The game really needs a dog race.

    Well, lots of people in this game play as Pugs. Just not the fluffy kind.
  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    alex284 wrote: »
    What about dogs as pets? Porthos appeared in far more episodes than Spot ever did.

    In the most recent tribbles in extasy podcast borticus discusses this very topic. The sort version is that dog breeds are too different from eachother to just be recolorations of a base model, and the way pet animations work it would be problematic. So they have no current plans for adding dogs since the developer/animator time would be too high.
  • crusader2007crusader2007 Member Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    alexvio1 wrote: »
    Maybe because I hate dogs? And stop creating dogs threads...

    Some do hate CATs... you think you are unique and STOP creating CATs threads :D
    DUwNP.gif

  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Except Beagles right?

    *Sharpens over sized Bat'leth*

    Beagles are rats too, yes.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    wombat140 wrote: »
    I'm all in favour of more non-humanoid species, it would be more interesting.
    If they ever go down this road (which I honestly think is unlikely) then their first order of business would be to get the Caitian (and Ferasan) right. They're currently humanoid (legs and arms/hands) they should be Feline.
    wombat140 wrote: »
    Just looked up the Tzenkethi, and no - they're armoured reptiles.
    I had the Tzenkethi confused with the Kzinti, but then they're a Feline species, and not Lycanthrope, so it's a mute point I guess. :/
    wombat140 wrote: »
    I thought "lycanthrope" meant a werewolf, so surely a lycanthrope race would look the same as a dog race (or wolf race, to be exact), when it wasn't in human form?
    Lycanthrope essentially is a Werewolf, but that's what I mean. If STO ever gets such a species, I'd want them to be a mean looking vicious species, not some cute looking thing you can take for a walk in the park.
    markhawkman wrote: »
    The original creator of the Tzenkethi said they were meant to be reptilian. One set of books had them as bioluminescent humanoids. I don't think that Cryptic is unable to use them, but they have little reason to do so as they'd have to, essentially, make them from scratch.
    In other words, they're lazy? :P

    As stated above though, I was thinking about the Kzinti, and I remember reading that Cryptic weren't allowed to use them.
    attachment.php?attachmentid=42556&d=1518094222
  • wombat140wombat140 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    anazonda wrote: »
    Beagles are rats too, yes.

    That's right.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    wombat140 wrote: »
    That's right.

    Life is evil... thats why we all die... To get rid of evil.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,473 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    I had the Tzenkethi confused with the Kzinti, but then they're a Feline species, and not Lycanthrope, so it's a mute point I guess. :/
    Kzinti aren't exactly feline - Larry Niven isn't quite that lazy. They resemble felines more than anything else from Earth, but then you add in the hairless, whiplike tail, the membranous ears that can fold up like a parasol, and the lattice-structure ribcage, and the resemblance begins to fade. (Add in the fact that kzinti can't climb - Louis discomfited Speaker-To-Animals quite a lot by climbing up a deflated airbag on his disabled flycycle in order to get to safety. Speaker, you see, was raised in the church founded by Kdapt-Preacher, which taught that God had made Man in his image, neatly explaining the outcomes of the various Man-Kzin Wars.)

    Yet another nonhumanoid species that could inspire a good template for STO...
    Lorna-Wing-sig.png
  • blakes7tvseriesblakes7tvseries Member Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Dogs pee

    My little cat goes to her litter box all on her own.
    download.jpg
Sign In or Register to comment.