The new cruiser stats look good, especially for an anniversary ship. I have no problem with cross-faction ships. In fact, I tend to think they're better than most faction ships these days. That said, my main issue is that the new cruiser would look great, be great, and would be one I WANT if -- and only if -- it had NOTHING to do with the Kobali.
I love the Chel Grett. I can really appreciate the Sarr Theln. I like the Risian Cruiser. I'm not averse to new designs and ideas.
However, the entire Kobali storyline is DEPLORABLY bad. It's poorly written. It's BADLY executed. It's really annoying as frick. It's at the point where the entire Kobali storyline pisses me off with the level of shenanigans (read: bad production qualities) associated with it in this game.
They were a TRIBBLE poor blip on the radar of 1-a-day villains. They were badly written on the worst Trek show EVER -- which itself was the worst written Trek show of all time -- and on top of that the entire way the storyline is written makes me want to have nothing to do with DR ever again.
If the ship were anything BUT Kobali I'd love it. As it stands I want nothing to do with it. It's a **** storyline with a **** list of characters and traits. Let's leave it in the crapper and move on, shall we? No need for Kobali ships or lockboxes. Focus on the vaadwaur or voth or iconians or anybody else. Here's hoping the Kobali get patched out of the game a while from now for not meeting the "high quality standards" that this game pretends to promote.
(assuming, of course, the game lasts long enough for that...)
Why would you snub your nose at a very nice FREE ship that barely has a grind (especially when 400 qmendations are earned by completing story content).
If you have to grind 15 days straight for it, if you are forced to run the same mission some 4-5 odd times to get 1 each deflector, console, shields, engines, and core,
IT ISN'T FREE
That's a grind. It's a bad grind, too.
When they used to give away the ships for FREE, you ran a mission once and the reward was... guess what? THE SHIP! That was free!
If you have to grind 15 days straight for it, if you are forced to run the same mission some 4-5 odd times to get 1 each deflector, console, shields, engines, and core,
IT ISN'T FREE
That's a grind. It's a bad grind, too.
When they used to give away the ships for FREE, you ran a mission once and the reward was... guess what? THE SHIP! That was free!
This is nothing "free" at all.
the grind is way better than last year. Because they're giving the discount if unlocked, it wont take me my whole STO play time to get one for my characters. Last year was awful...
Saying somebody is "Better than Stalin" is a low bar. Much like saying "better than last year's grind" doesn't negate the fact that it's still an over-the-top grind.
Before the grinds. Before the currency you scraped up to BUY the ship with (if you have to PURCHASE it, by the way, it's not FREE), you simply got the reward. Oddy. Borty. Ambassador. Karamag. Obelisk. Etc...
If you have to grind 15 days straight for it, if you are forced to run the same mission some 4-5 odd times to get 1 each deflector, console, shields, engines, and core,
IT ISN'T FREE
That's a grind. It's a bad grind, too.
When they used to give away the ships for FREE, you ran a mission once and the reward was... guess what? THE SHIP! That was free!
This is nothing "free" at all.
This is a GAME. They give you the option of getting the ship by PLAYING the game. This is no different than leveling up your character and getting a new ship every 10 ranks.
What you are saying is nothing more than an entitled hissy fit.
If you don't want to play the game for the ship, then don't. It really is that simple.
Frankly, OP, I find it hard to believe that you would take it upon yourself to represent "most" of the playerbase. That takes a lot of audacity, especially when the responses in this thread have more or less resolutely taken the opposite standpoint.
by "most" he is referring to that small circle of people on the forum that constantly complain about STO, don't even play it anymore yet lurk the forum with their negative adittude towards literlay EVERYTHING.
Whenever a "doom thread" or "fu** cryptic thread" appears, you can already predict pretty accurately who will chime in on the bashing...
If you were getting this ship "free" for just playing the game, it would say "play 15 of ANY mission in the anniversary time period" or it would say " accumulate 15 hours of logged gametime".
Instead, it says "grind this same boring mission 5x and then repeat this other one 15x, oh, and you can't do it all at once but you have to timegate it as well."
That's not free. You insulting my by calling me an entitled hissy means you have no argument to stand upon and you fail, instantly and totally.
If Cryptic would kindly allow for cross-faction teaming, the amalgamation will be another step closer to becoming a reality. There is no more FED/KDF war, no reason to keep this -- quite frankly -- outdated and arbitrary sense of "otherness" to continue.
Some PvPers need a sense of realism to blow the same people up over and over and enjoy it.
As for the ship itself, it's a free* full T6 ship that looks good* and comes with a trait. Last year's Fed Dyson was a bit ...out there for a Fed ship, totally wrong for the KDF, and, Roms are odd anyways but it was odd even for them. Had it just been a Solanae ship, faction theme wouldn't have mattered as much.
*standard internet disclaimers apply
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Ok, haven't read anything in this thread other then the posts on this page. but you can't comapre this ship to a ship like the Obelisk or DSD that they gave away for free. They were not "Fleet" Quality. Lacking a console slot, etc.
This one is T6 Fleet quality. And it's Free if you wanna put in the time. There is no version with +1 console slot in the Cstore. But, even if there was and this was a 10 Console ship. So, don't like it, don't "Play" their time gate game, Don't get the ship. Pretty simple.
Some PvPers need a sense of realism to blow the same people up over and over and enjoy it.
Dude, it's the PvPers that want cross faction teaming. But hell even if we get that...it doesn't matter. This game is dead. There's no way you can still play it. I consider STO being a giant chat client the way it is now...
If you were getting this ship "free" for just playing the game, it would say "play 15 of ANY mission in the anniversary time period" or it would say " accumulate 15 hours of logged gametime".
Instead, it says "grind this same boring mission 5x and then repeat this other one 15x, oh, and you can't do it all at once but you have to timegate it as well."
"You can have this ship for free, if you do the missions needed to level you up to the next rank. oh, and you can't do it all at once, the boring missions actually have to be played completely in order to get the XP, so you are timegated as well."
Looks the same to me. Certainly I can see your perspective, but I can also see a perspective where I am getting a cool item for performing tasks I likely would have completed anyway. If I have to choose between a world where I can enjoy the cool thing and a world where I allow myself to get angry and negate my enjoyment of the cool thing, well, that choice seems obvious. You are choosing to perceive it in a way that deliberately emphasizes your negative feelings. Make a better choice.
That's not free. You insulting my by calling me an entitled hissy means you have no argument to stand upon and you fail, instantly and totally.
No, it just means that from the perspective of many here, the argument that it's not free ENOUGH fails on first principles, as it sounds essentially like saying "Why do I have to take the wrapping paper off all these presents? Why can't you just hand them to me with out all this hard work of pulling the paper off? And why can't I get all my presents right now? Why do I have to wait to open some of them?"
Falling back on the "you hurt my feelings, so you lose because you are a bully with no argument" is just as transparent a rhetorical trick in any case. You haven't actually denied the charge that you are behaving that way, simply attempted to sweep it away as irrelevant. The issue is that people are trying to prove opinions without dealing with the underlying perception differences. In a real sense, you are, in my estimation, completely unable to be reasoned with, because it's clear we don't even operate from the same consensus reality.
And always remember: Do never ever waste your money on anything related to sto/cryptic!
Telling other people what to do with their own money is always a smart thing to do. Note: the bolded part is sarcasm. Good thing I don't need to listen to other players on how to play this game or what to do with the money I give this game.
If you were getting this ship "free" for just playing the game, it would say "play 15 of ANY mission in the anniversary time period" or it would say " accumulate 15 hours of logged gametime".
Instead, it says "grind this same boring mission 5x and then repeat this other one 15x, oh, and you can't do it all at once but you have to timegate it as well."
That's not free. You insulting my by calling me an entitled hissy means you have no argument to stand upon and you fail, instantly and totally.
I never called you an entitled hissy. I said you were having an entitled hissy fit.
As I said, if you don't want to play the game, don't. Everything in this game is time gated now, this mission is no different. If you don't like it, go play something else, otherwise suck it up and get over it instead of throwing tantrums on the forum.
Telling other people what to do with their own money is always a smart thing to do. Note: the bolded part is sarcasm. Good thing I don't need to listen to other players on how to play this game or what to do with the money I give this game.
As long as you spend money on this poor quality game nothing will change. The grind, the poor "balance", the p2w, the cash grabs...everything will even get worse if we keep on supporting this bullsh*t!
Ok, the game is more or less dead anyway, but I just don't like to see people supporting cryptic without knowing what they are doing!
If you have to grind 15 days straight for it, if you are forced to run the same mission some 4-5 odd times to get 1 each deflector, console, shields, engines, and core,
IT ISN'T FREE
That's a grind. It's a bad grind, too.
When they used to give away the ships for FREE, you ran a mission once and the reward was... guess what? THE SHIP! That was free!
This is nothing "free" at all.
You can call it a bad grind all you want, but there will always be people who know the truth, and that truth is that what you say has no bearing to what they'll do. Also, you're wrong on one very important part: if you have 1000 Q-mendations on one character, you only need 40 on all other characters for the ship. Also, you're not being forced to do anything. I am not being forced to get the ship, I want to get the ship. Being forced isn't even in the equation for me.
As long as you spend money on this poor quality game nothing will change. The grind, the poor "balance", the p2w, the cash grabs...everything will even get worse if we keep on supporting this bullsh*t!
This is only your opinion, and you're more than welcome to it.
I too would prefer a faction-specific ship, but then I didn't like the Dyson ones anyway, so it's somewhat of no consequence to me.
I doubt these anniversary events are anything to do with the reason people are leaving.
Doubt it too...however, this thread is full of BS...lots of people who are HAPPY grinding till blood comes out from eyes and urethra . It Cryptic would be a cult it would have so many blind followers defending it.
Even though I dont like the ship still its "free" and like in other previous annyversaries...free is free and welcomed. However, just amazing how much people bashing the OP while defending Cryptic. Cryptic has no feelings and wont thank you for empty your wallets..Im sure MR EP and some DEVs will be laughing from seeing these responses and the blind love
I might not agree with the OP but I respect his right to his opinion without shutting him down. The issue is with management and not players' liking IMO.
Personally I'm looking forward to this ship. Its not bad, a great boff layout for support or tanking, or if you are creative it can be a pretty nasty DPS zombie. The trait though is what I'm really looking forward to since I fly mostly Romulan these days and that trait is going to help quite a bit on my bombing runs ^^
Also the uni console can be installed on *any* ship. I for one intend to hook that bad boy up to my Guardian and take her out for a spin on Korfez again.
Edit: Though having a stockpile of Q-mendations from last year will make this infinitly easier I admit.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
You fail yet again, after devolving to insults as your first resort.
Nor this.
Again, the central problem is that we simply perceive reality differently, so fundamentally we are going to see each other as unreasonable. The difference is that I am asserting that it is possible to change how we choose to perceive things, and instead of choosing to perceive them in a way that makes us angry, we should perceive them in a way that makes us happy.
If you disagree with the idea that we have the ability to choose how we perceive things, then further discussion is moot because it's impossible for you to change someone's opinion if the perceptions those opinions are based on are immutable.
If you disagree that perception is at least partially subjective (and thus potentially a matter of choice), then again, further discussion is moot because at least one of us must be insane (in the sense of denying the obvious objective reality), and as a rule it's bad practice to argue with insane people.
If you disagree that it's good to choose to perceive things in a way that makes you happy instead of angry, then you need to explain why you are making a better choice. To be clear, you absolutely have the right to make the choice to perceive things they way you are - I'm just asking what the utility of that is - what have you gained by being angry about something that you could choose to be happy about?
many of us, if not the majority, would prefer a FACTION starship, thanks..
and you wonder why so few people from Beta are still around....
Then again some of us play non fed characters and need new ship traits, we also know its better to get a standardized design than expect 3 good faction ships.
New home of the Romulan Republic.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
by "most" he is referring to that small circle of people on the forum that constantly complain about STO, don't even play it anymore yet lurk the forum with their negative adittude towards literlay EVERYTHING.
Whenever a "doom thread" or "fu** cryptic thread" appears, you can already predict pretty accurately who will chime in on the bashing...
pretty much. Also they tend to overshadow legitimate concerns and complaints.
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The new cruiser stats look good, especially for an anniversary ship. I have no problem with cross-faction ships. In fact, I tend to think they're better than most faction ships these days. That said, my main issue is that the new cruiser would look great, be great, and would be one I WANT if -- and only if -- it had NOTHING to do with the Kobali.
I love the Chel Grett. I can really appreciate the Sarr Theln. I like the Risian Cruiser. I'm not averse to new designs and ideas.
However, the entire Kobali storyline is DEPLORABLY bad. It's poorly written. It's BADLY executed. It's really annoying as frick. It's at the point where the entire Kobali storyline pisses me off with the level of shenanigans (read: bad production qualities) associated with it in this game.
They were a TRIBBLE poor blip on the radar of 1-a-day villains. They were badly written on the worst Trek show EVER -- which itself was the worst written Trek show of all time -- and on top of that the entire way the storyline is written makes me want to have nothing to do with DR ever again.
If the ship were anything BUT Kobali I'd love it. As it stands I want nothing to do with it. It's a **** storyline with a **** list of characters and traits. Let's leave it in the crapper and move on, shall we? No need for Kobali ships or lockboxes. Focus on the vaadwaur or voth or iconians or anybody else. Here's hoping the Kobali get patched out of the game a while from now for not meeting the "high quality standards" that this game pretends to promote.
(assuming, of course, the game lasts long enough for that...)
Why would you snub your nose at a very nice FREE ship that barely has a grind (especially when 400 qmendations are earned by completing story content).
Some peoples kids.
IT ISN'T FREE
That's a grind. It's a bad grind, too.
When they used to give away the ships for FREE, you ran a mission once and the reward was... guess what? THE SHIP! That was free!
This is nothing "free" at all.
well, there's the ship trait too. I'll be grabbing it on all my characters just for the trait.
the grind is way better than last year. Because they're giving the discount if unlocked, it wont take me my whole STO play time to get one for my characters. Last year was awful...
Before the grinds. Before the currency you scraped up to BUY the ship with (if you have to PURCHASE it, by the way, it's not FREE), you simply got the reward. Oddy. Borty. Ambassador. Karamag. Obelisk. Etc...
And always remember: Do never ever waste your money on anything related to sto/cryptic!
There is the door if you feel that way. I will get it for free.
CRUISERS NEED A 206% HULL BUFF
This is a GAME. They give you the option of getting the ship by PLAYING the game. This is no different than leveling up your character and getting a new ship every 10 ranks.
What you are saying is nothing more than an entitled hissy fit.
If you don't want to play the game for the ship, then don't. It really is that simple.
by "most" he is referring to that small circle of people on the forum that constantly complain about STO, don't even play it anymore yet lurk the forum with their negative adittude towards literlay EVERYTHING.
Whenever a "doom thread" or "fu** cryptic thread" appears, you can already predict pretty accurately who will chime in on the bashing...
If you were getting this ship "free" for just playing the game, it would say "play 15 of ANY mission in the anniversary time period" or it would say " accumulate 15 hours of logged gametime".
Instead, it says "grind this same boring mission 5x and then repeat this other one 15x, oh, and you can't do it all at once but you have to timegate it as well."
That's not free. You insulting my by calling me an entitled hissy means you have no argument to stand upon and you fail, instantly and totally.
Some PvPers need a sense of realism to blow the same people up over and over and enjoy it.
As for the ship itself, it's a free* full T6 ship that looks good* and comes with a trait. Last year's Fed Dyson was a bit ...out there for a Fed ship, totally wrong for the KDF, and, Roms are odd anyways but it was odd even for them. Had it just been a Solanae ship, faction theme wouldn't have mattered as much.
*standard internet disclaimers apply
This one is T6 Fleet quality. And it's Free if you wanna put in the time. There is no version with +1 console slot in the Cstore. But, even if there was and this was a 10 Console ship. So, don't like it, don't "Play" their time gate game, Don't get the ship. Pretty simple.
"You can have this ship for free, if you do the missions needed to level you up to the next rank. oh, and you can't do it all at once, the boring missions actually have to be played completely in order to get the XP, so you are timegated as well."
Looks the same to me. Certainly I can see your perspective, but I can also see a perspective where I am getting a cool item for performing tasks I likely would have completed anyway. If I have to choose between a world where I can enjoy the cool thing and a world where I allow myself to get angry and negate my enjoyment of the cool thing, well, that choice seems obvious. You are choosing to perceive it in a way that deliberately emphasizes your negative feelings. Make a better choice.
No, it just means that from the perspective of many here, the argument that it's not free ENOUGH fails on first principles, as it sounds essentially like saying "Why do I have to take the wrapping paper off all these presents? Why can't you just hand them to me with out all this hard work of pulling the paper off? And why can't I get all my presents right now? Why do I have to wait to open some of them?"
Falling back on the "you hurt my feelings, so you lose because you are a bully with no argument" is just as transparent a rhetorical trick in any case. You haven't actually denied the charge that you are behaving that way, simply attempted to sweep it away as irrelevant. The issue is that people are trying to prove opinions without dealing with the underlying perception differences. In a real sense, you are, in my estimation, completely unable to be reasoned with, because it's clear we don't even operate from the same consensus reality.
You fail yet again, after devolving to insults as your first resort.
I doubt these anniversary events are anything to do with the reason people are leaving.
I never called you an entitled hissy. I said you were having an entitled hissy fit.
As I said, if you don't want to play the game, don't. Everything in this game is time gated now, this mission is no different. If you don't like it, go play something else, otherwise suck it up and get over it instead of throwing tantrums on the forum.
As long as you spend money on this poor quality game nothing will change. The grind, the poor "balance", the p2w, the cash grabs...everything will even get worse if we keep on supporting this bullsh*t!
Ok, the game is more or less dead anyway, but I just don't like to see people supporting cryptic without knowing what they are doing!
This is only your opinion, and you're more than welcome to it.
Again, your opinion which has no basis in fact at all.
Doubt it too...however, this thread is full of BS...lots of people who are HAPPY grinding till blood comes out from eyes and urethra
Even though I dont like the ship still its "free" and like in other previous annyversaries...free is free and welcomed. However, just amazing how much people bashing the OP while defending Cryptic. Cryptic has no feelings and wont thank you for empty your wallets..Im sure MR EP and some DEVs will be laughing from seeing these responses and the blind love
I might not agree with the OP but I respect his right to his opinion without shutting him down. The issue is with management and not players' liking IMO.
Also the uni console can be installed on *any* ship. I for one intend to hook that bad boy up to my Guardian and take her out for a spin on Korfez again.
Edit: Though having a stockpile of Q-mendations from last year will make this infinitly easier I admit.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Neither did this.
Nor this.
Again, the central problem is that we simply perceive reality differently, so fundamentally we are going to see each other as unreasonable. The difference is that I am asserting that it is possible to change how we choose to perceive things, and instead of choosing to perceive them in a way that makes us angry, we should perceive them in a way that makes us happy.
If you disagree with the idea that we have the ability to choose how we perceive things, then further discussion is moot because it's impossible for you to change someone's opinion if the perceptions those opinions are based on are immutable.
If you disagree that perception is at least partially subjective (and thus potentially a matter of choice), then again, further discussion is moot because at least one of us must be insane (in the sense of denying the obvious objective reality), and as a rule it's bad practice to argue with insane people.
If you disagree that it's good to choose to perceive things in a way that makes you happy instead of angry, then you need to explain why you are making a better choice. To be clear, you absolutely have the right to make the choice to perceive things they way you are - I'm just asking what the utility of that is - what have you gained by being angry about something that you could choose to be happy about?
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
pretty much. Also they tend to overshadow legitimate concerns and complaints.