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tilarta
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I've been going through the level 55-60 content and as I've been levelling higher, I've noticed something extremely annoying:
My Starfleet cruiser can fight through the enemies reasonably well.
But my KDF cruiser, all it seems it can do is explode. Endlessly.
Since they're using the exact same weapons, sets, consoles, BOFF skills, etc, it's unusual that my Starfleet vessel will shrug off the damage and my KDF ship does not.
It's actually gotten to the point where I've gone to Kobali Prime to earn my daily Delta Quadrant Rep Marks, because the cruiser just can't survive enemy engagements anymore!
What factors are making the difference here? Even before this happened, my KDF cruiser was never on par with my Starfleet cruiser.
Heck, even my Scimitar (engineering) survives better and it's supposedly not even as durable!
My Starfleet cruiser can fight through the enemies reasonably well.
But my KDF cruiser, all it seems it can do is explode. Endlessly.
Since they're using the exact same weapons, sets, consoles, BOFF skills, etc, it's unusual that my Starfleet vessel will shrug off the damage and my KDF ship does not.
It's actually gotten to the point where I've gone to Kobali Prime to earn my daily Delta Quadrant Rep Marks, because the cruiser just can't survive enemy engagements anymore!
What factors are making the difference here? Even before this happened, my KDF cruiser was never on par with my Starfleet cruiser.
Heck, even my Scimitar (engineering) survives better and it's supposedly not even as durable!
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They tend to have weaker hull and shielding, in exchange for increased maneuverability and the ability to slot DC/DHC's.
Crew bug.That mean that if you have big crew you will die faster than the same ship with lesser crew.That is why Fed Avenger has better survivability than kdf Mogh even if they are almost identical otherwise.
Reminds me of Raptors that were squishy always due to poor turn rate and bigger crew than fed escorts.In this way they were an enjoyable practice target to fed players (slower turn , lower shield mod and bigger crew to assure nice big warp core explosions) and that is why few people used raptors in PVP.(Btw didn't bought Matha because of it slow turn rate and I congratulate myself for that.)
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
...which they don't because a vast majority of them don't understand how the crew mechanic works and whine about the "disadvantage" of having a smaller crew on their ships.:rolleyes:
Well, what do you expect with those that are SpoonFED :cool:
But the T5U Fleet Tor'kaht & Mah'ta, no problems at all.
But then I am flying them as an Engineering Captain.
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/
In game? Crew mechanic hurts but can be mitigated using the Jem'Hadar or Honor Guard sets (both good anyway) and my T6 ships have no problems with any PVE.
Dominion War was fought with Movie-era Birds of Prey and K't'ingas, with weight added by TNG era Vor'cha's. The Negh'var, while notationally in service, was only seen once (and then fighting the Feds!).
*deliberately misunderstands the term* whoah! There are Fed-Aligned Cardassians in this game?:P
Agree. I have a Fleet Avenger T5U and a Fleet Mogh T5U. Both Tactical captains, both Omega rep, both Antiproton builds. Exactly the same.
The Avenger is still viable the Mogh is retired (which makes me sad). I switched to the Breen ship for my KDF dude.
Frankly our vessels are weakened before they even exist.
One just has to try harder. Its the KDF way.
R.I.P
Sovereign Class T5 (Starfleet).
Negh'var Class T5 (KDF).
These do not come with the option to upgrade to T5U, so they don't have masteries or ship traits.
And if you're going to say use the Sovereign refit, just don't, it's got the wrong bridge officer station configuration for my purposes.
Also, don't mention getting the Fleet version of the Negh'var either, my fleet isn't up to the required level of tactical for that.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
It's possible that you are the one holding yourself back and not adapting to the strengths the ship(s) you have or finding the ship that best fits what you have the most experience with. You have not provided any real idea of what you have on your ship(s) for anyone to help you improve either. Please use the skill planner at STO academy to create a virtual copy of your ship, captain skills, traits, etc. and the community will most likely be able to help you. It's up to you to want to change instead of complain about something.
Take a chance and provide a link to your setup and you might be surprised at how things could be improved.
As for a Fleet Neggie, some fleets allow you to access their stores to obtain things, a few might be essentially free.
Yep... Right now yeah anytime I think of logging in I saw nope it was nerfed since the last time and not worth logging in then I just go do some other game and it works. Have not seen any news as of late that makes me interested in the game anymore tbh(especially with this new blog where it emphasizes federation players so nothing new or butchered on KDF side for anniversary lol).
If I wanted build advice, I would have said so. I do not, so providing that information is irrevalent.
I tried to buy a Fleet Negh'var from a KDF fleet who had achieved the appropriate tier.
While it works for most things, you can't buy ships from fleet stores.
That was a waste of $20 dollars (4 Fleet Modules) by the way.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
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Ah, so you just want to complain about something in the feedback section. Got it.
I was speaking with Mimey the other day and this sentiment came up for us as well. The game has little hold for purely KDF players.
I too rarely log-in (due to work travel and time) but it does seem that we have grown as far as they are willing to grow us. That is sad, as we are fans too.
All we can do now is organize Ker'rat attack teams and harras farmers, as even regular pvp is not worth playing and the only joy of combat is to kill farmers.
How far they have let the empire fall.....
R.I.P
Thats odd been doing fine in the Delta Quadrant in a T5-U B'rel bop especially since i got the MaHa mastery for it.
Sadly, there was no improvement.
Crew level 2500.
I did check out non-Klingon ships, but I couldn't find a KDF accessible cruiser with the specified station requirements and a crew level of 800.
Hopefully they'll add something in the future.
I considered the Risian cruiser, but I didn't acquire that ship on my KDF last summer event, so I'll have to wait until the next one to see if it's more suitable.
The crew number is still a bit high though, it's 1500.
I'm open to suggestions, if anyone knows of a KDF cruiser with these stations (or can be configured to match them with universal stations) and a crew level no more then 800:
Commander Engineering.
Lt Commander Engineering.
Lt Science.
Ensign Tactical.
Brutal honesty time.
I'm just tired of KDF being a second class faction.
I've put up with a lot in the past and hoped it would just get better.
But this latest problem could very be the one that pushes me away from the faction forever!
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
You refuse build advice when someone was offering it and refuse to say anything else really on how you're playing, so really, you're going to struggle regardless of what anyone says. If you can't survive in a tough Negh'Var, I just don't know.
Based on the requested specs the Klingon Qib Intel Battlecruiser seems to fit the bill.
Well you can try this one
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_K%27t%27Inga_Battle_Cruiser_Retrofit
if you join a fleet to purchase it.
You get the maneuverability of a science ship but also the lowest hull rating of anything with "cruiser" in its name. But then you should have plenty of heals to stay alive.