Why am I not so popular to get insulted by someone?
YOU SUK!!!!
Feel better now?
You're welkies..
:cool:
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It seems to me that you're able to quote mine with the best of them. :rolleyes:
Dammit, worffie, drop the egotistical bullsh*t for a just a minute, quit looking for an insult, and read what I'm trying too tell you.
If you don't want to be treated like a child, then stop acting like one.
Honestly, I'm with worffan on this one. I'll grant he probably repeats himself too much (yes, I've been guilty of that, too), but this is the specific subject matter he has chosen to devote his career to, and he's done the work to gain the requisite expertise, regardless of how old he is or whether he's gotten a job in the field.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
It's not science fiction, or fantasy or horror for that matter. At best it's a soap opera BUT WITH BIG SWEATY GUYS!
In any event, it has no business at all being on a channel that is supposed to showcase speculative fiction.
Any channel that calls itself SIFFY, deserves BIG SWEATY GUYS ...
And all the 'fear of dropping a bar of soap in the shower', that entails.
:cool:
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Correct me if I am wrong, Sander, but it seems like what you are getting at is that the problem here is not at all a problem of facts. I mean, I happen to LIKE feathered dinosaurs, and even I can see that there is a problem here. The problem is one of *attitude.*
And Sander may be more forgiving in *this* aspect than I tend to be, but I will outright dismiss even a likely fact, if it is presented with attitudes and behaviors that I do not respect, and will only accept said fact once I find it from a source that can present it without thinly-veiled contempt for others. Because quite frankly if I cannot trust the attitude, that the facts are presented in humility and without bullying and coercion, then I do not trust the source to make responsible use of what he or she knows, and not to harm or manipulate others. And speaking from my own experience, when I am the most heated is when my command of the facts is probably not where it would be if I were calm and thinking through it methodically, so why should I trust it when someone else is acting that way?
I can tell you from long experience that when I break this rule in my own conduct, I destroy my relationships, my credibility, and generally sabotage whatever my goal may have been in speaking. It doesn't convince anyone that I am right--only that I am not to be taken seriously as a mature individual. It is hard to face up to that but I am willing to admit here to the damage that I do at such times because you are leading yourself down a path where it risks becoming a standard modus operandi. And once that happens it doesn't matter how right I might have been over something that is NOT a life-and-death moral matter.
Now if something IS that serious--if you are in a position where someone could really be hurt--then it is not as much of a time to worry about the collateral damage. But if you waste all of your ammo where it is NOT needed, you'll find you get pushed out of any and all places where you could be in a position to help or support others because others will not consider it to be worth the risk to their own sanity and well being. This is not an objective I think you are seeking after or would want to see happen.
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Guys, uh, why are you all replying to a thread about a "hacking" tool instead of having reported the thread instead? It's something that can not only lead to a warning/ban for the OP of the thread...but for all those that "bumped" it to make it more noticeable, regardless of what they said, eh? Cause the reply from the mods would likely be you should have known better and just reported it instead of replying...cause replying is technically a violation as well.
Honestly, I'm with worffan on this one. I'll grant he probably repeats himself too much (yes, I've been guilty of that, too), but this is the specific subject matter he has chosen to devote his career to, and he's done the work to gain the requisite expertise, regardless of how old he is or whether he's gotten a job in the field.
I personally agree that knowledge does not always have a relationship to age and that is why I chose not to address that in what I just wrote. So I do not see a need for anyone to deride him on that ground. To me that DOES seem unnecessary.
My issue is with *behavior* that puts credibility at risk.
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As an outsider, just wobbling along on my way here and there while waiting for DOFFing assignments to complete - I couldn't help but notice the following.
Person A is telling Person B that X does not matter while at the same time stating that X is the reason that Person B should listen to Person A.
So when Person B mentions EGO, it's difficult not to see that in Person A - where apparently only their X matters and all other X can be ignored as meaningless.
It's highly entertaining on a certain level...carry on.
If it's what I said about "long experience," virusdancer, that you are pointing out, that shouldn't be read as "Gulberat's so great." More like "Gulberat has repeated the same mistakes long enough for it to hurt." A bit of a corollary to the definition of insanity... :-/ Basically I have learned the hard way.
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As an outsider, just wobbling along on my way here and there while waiting for DOFFing assignments to complete - I couldn't help but notice the following.
Person A is telling Person B that X does not matter while at the same time stating that X is the reason that Person B should listen to Person A.
So when Person B mentions EGO, it's difficult not to see that in Person A - where apparently only their X matters and all other X can be ignored as meaningless.
It's highly entertaining on a certain level...carry on.
<hands Virus a box of popcorn>
:cool:
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If it's what I said about "long experience," virusdancer, that you are pointing out, that shouldn't be read as "Gulberat's so great." More like "Gulberat has repeated the same mistakes long enough for it to hurt." A bit of a corollary to the definition of insanity... :-/ Basically I have learned the hard way.
In the matter of paleontology, however, it would appear Worffan can speak with authority. And requiring that one be employed in a given field before one can speak on it seems a tad overbearing to me - by those standards, I would be unable to be consulted as even a minor authority on anything, because currently no one is paying me to do anything.
Yet I have a fair education in astrophysics, due to my eclectic reading habits; I can also discuss matters relating to nuclear weapons and their use (and misuse) due to my Air Force service (wrote and maintained software used in creating and updating the Single Integrated Operating Plan, NATO's nuclear-war blueprint), and scream uselessly at the television whenever matters pertaining to nuclear power plants or video games are discussed in popular TV programs. (I was exposed to only the last ten minutes or so of a Scorpion episode in which the Big Bad was trying to destroy a nuke plant, and the heroes were crawling through pipes and whatnot to stop him, and I thought I was going to have an aneurysm for a moment.)
Lots of folks don't like the idea that therapods almost certainly had feathers. I'm not sure why; I think it's fascinating. The fact remains, however, that available evidence supports the contention that they did. And given Worffan's level of interest in and research on the topic, rejecting his expertise out of hand simply because he's not a professional paleontologist seems a tad high-handed.
I wasn't rejecting his expertise -- as in criticising his knowledge -- out of hand. What I was saying, is that IMHO until someone is employed in a particular field, they should not identify themself as Something (because that is a professionally confered identifier) For example, medical students don't introduce themselves as 'Doctor', or insist that people consider them doctors. That is a privelige which comes with the qualification and professional employment. Secondary example. Harry Hill holds a doctorate, yet his prime career is as an entertainer, and would likely (a presumption, I admit) not insist upon being addressed as 'Doctor', or say "I'm a doctor..." (although he would be in his right to do so.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone saying "I'm an amateur _____..." or "I'm a _____ enthusiast..." because the knowledge is the knowledge, I'm not denying that, but without the support of a professional position, it is simply pretentious to claim 'authority' in such a manner, and does not come across well.
Hypothesis: Threads and discussions on official forums are just outlets for emotion to convey how powerless (or passive) players are in the development and decision-making for a game.
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Honestly, I'm with worffan on this one. I'll grant he probably repeats himself too much (yes, I've been guilty of that, too), but this is the specific subject matter he has chosen to devote his career to, and he's done the work to gain the requisite expertise, regardless of how old he is or whether he's gotten a job in the field.
It's not about his relative expertise in a given field. This is about how he presents himself to his peers on the forum.
I will readily admit, (though I will disagree with many of his and the experts' opinions on the subject) that Worffan knows more about modern paleontology than I do, relative 'life experience' notwithstanding. Though he has only pursued the field for 14 years compared to the 26 that I've been interested in the subject, he has been engaged in active research with an aim to make a full-time career of it, whereas my interest peaked when I was 12. He has more relative expertise than I do on the subject of paleontology.
That does not, as MDK notes, give him license to call himself an 'expert' or an 'authority' on paleontology. Once he's got a degree in his hands, then he can call himself a paleontologist. For now, he is a paleontology student. (Just like I was an engineering student until I got the piece of paper that gave me the right to claim to be an engineer.) He's devoted to his field of study, and as I said, he's got more relative expertise than me and probably the rest of us put together. That does not make him an 'expert,' but he is more than qualified to share his opinion and the opinions of real experts in the field.
But the real issue I have with Worffan is how he presents himself on the forums. Besides claiming authority on subjects over which he has none (which speaks of arrogance and childish boastfulness) he has shown a consistent tendency to regard his opinion as (his words) "objective fact" (which besides sounding arrogant, speaks of immaturity, and lack of wisdom and discernment.) And then as we've both noticed, his tendency to repeat himself in his arguments, as if repetition somehow makes them more valid. (Also childish.)
My point is, Worffan doesn't want to be treated as a child. And he shouldn't be. He's an intelligent young man with well-reasoned opinions and a massive repertoire of book knowledge on a variety of subjects. The problem is the way he presents himself when he argues simply looks childish. And as gulberat notes, his contemptuous and egotistical attitudes lead others to dismiss what he has to say out of hand.
I'm trying to help Worffan to step back, take a cold, objective look at himself and his arguments, and remove those elements that make him look immature and egotistical and maybe bring in some wisdom that comes with the knowledge of the fact that you don't actually know everything.
I think if he approaches his discussions - even on subjects where he can legitimately claim a degree of expertise - from a position of humility, he will find himself and his arguments more likely to be accepted by the rest of us adults.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
Why didnt you reply in the other... oh for God's sake, I don't understand your threads. I can reply there but not here, I should reply only after midnight but not here only there...
"The truth". You say that so often. I do not think it means what you think it means. </Inigo Montoya>
What you tweeted was opinion. Terms like "legitimate criticism" are not objective. I'm sure it felt true to you - but "truth" and emotion are seldom even found in the same room, much less the same concept.
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot - calling for objective reality is "fanboi".
Why didnt you reply in the other... oh for God's sake, I don't understand your threads. I can reply there but not here, I should reply only after midnight but not here only there...
Only at 12:06 at this thread but cancel your post and then find thread 42 and post there but you must wait 5 seconds between each character and then get approval from the overlords office before you put on a pink janitors toilet cleaning glove to click to post.
I think it is possible to have a disagreement--a *strong* one--and still be civil.
I think I get what happens with Geko sometimes. I could be very wrong about it but I feel like I have seen this type before. I don't think he realizes he's about to upset people when he does, or at least severely underestimates the impact of certain sarcastic remarks or things he probably finds funny. I suspect he would not be too fazed by them and thus doesn't realize others would take it differently. I think he realizes it after the fact but doesn't always know how to get out of it and gets defensive and upset himself when things get really heated.
I do NOT like the decisions he makes. I think he is a part of driving this game in a wrong direction. But I do NOT see why that should entail making an ogre out of a person. I have actually had a *civil,* calm exchange with him about one of those remarks I'm referring to above and whatever I think of the *business* decisions he makes, I take him at face value when he says it was an incident of humor that backfired and did not read in print the way it probably sounded in his head and looked on his face IRL.
I know it sounds stupid but sometimes I get annoyed because yes he HAS made some major screwups but I know it is possible for things to go another way where we can be *civil* in disagreement.
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There were a few things that I wasn't reporting for various reasons, I wasn't the one that came upon the issue, and things like that. Sure, I was mentioning them all over the place, so it's not quite a case that I was hiding them or trying to keep them secret knowledge, but I wasn't reporting them. However with this particular reply you made, I almost found myself needing to buy a new keyboard because of how hard I laughed. So uh, yeah, thanks to your reply there...I decided to go ahead and ask Cryptic about a few things that are "off"...
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You know you're a big Cardassian fan when every time you see people making snarky references to the "CDF" you think "Cardassian Defense Force" is a compliment.
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Meanwhile, I'm trying to think of a polite way to ask four people if they'd like to help me make a fleet and then not be part of it. I'd like to make my own fleet so I can group all my toons on all three accounts under it to ease the sharing of EC and things, much like my CO supergroup; and I also want to name it the Cryptic Defense Fleet, since at least one or two posters in the General Discussion area have claimed that I'm its leader. (Of course, then I'd have to rename my supergroup from "Union of Concerned Superheroes" to "Cryptic Defense Force" - which is even funnier if you've read my posts about the "streamlined" Character Creator in CO...)
Ya know my brain actually refused to acknowledge that comment about 9/11 because it was so clueless at best or insensitive at worst.
On Sept. 9, 2001, I started a job at a firm in Issaquah, WA, which sent out analog cell phones to those parts of the country that didn't have digital cellular service yet.
I spent my first two weeks on the phones explaining to people why their phones weren't there, and why we couldn't say when they'd arrive. The TV in the break room was locked on CNN, so we could follow any developments in the investigation. I can't tell you how many times I saw the towers fall.
When I think about some of the things you and people like you said on the forums a black ball of pure hate for the human race grows in my heart. It rarely stays there but the fact that someone would have the pure foolhardiness to bring up the deaths of innocent people when talking about a game is...I can't find a word for it.
Simply put I understand why the forums have the rep it has and far too many posters have and still work to proof everything that people say about the forums is right.
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YOU SUK!!!!
Feel better now?
You're welkies..
:cool:
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Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
It's not science fiction, or fantasy or horror for that matter. At best it's a soap opera BUT WITH BIG SWEATY GUYS!
In any event, it has no business at all being on a channel that is supposed to showcase speculative fiction.
Honestly, I'm with worffan on this one. I'll grant he probably repeats himself too much (yes, I've been guilty of that, too), but this is the specific subject matter he has chosen to devote his career to, and he's done the work to gain the requisite expertise, regardless of how old he is or whether he's gotten a job in the field.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Any channel that calls itself SIFFY, deserves BIG SWEATY GUYS ...
And all the 'fear of dropping a bar of soap in the shower', that entails.
:cool:
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And Sander may be more forgiving in *this* aspect than I tend to be, but I will outright dismiss even a likely fact, if it is presented with attitudes and behaviors that I do not respect, and will only accept said fact once I find it from a source that can present it without thinly-veiled contempt for others. Because quite frankly if I cannot trust the attitude, that the facts are presented in humility and without bullying and coercion, then I do not trust the source to make responsible use of what he or she knows, and not to harm or manipulate others. And speaking from my own experience, when I am the most heated is when my command of the facts is probably not where it would be if I were calm and thinking through it methodically, so why should I trust it when someone else is acting that way?
I can tell you from long experience that when I break this rule in my own conduct, I destroy my relationships, my credibility, and generally sabotage whatever my goal may have been in speaking. It doesn't convince anyone that I am right--only that I am not to be taken seriously as a mature individual. It is hard to face up to that but I am willing to admit here to the damage that I do at such times because you are leading yourself down a path where it risks becoming a standard modus operandi. And once that happens it doesn't matter how right I might have been over something that is NOT a life-and-death moral matter.
Now if something IS that serious--if you are in a position where someone could really be hurt--then it is not as much of a time to worry about the collateral damage. But if you waste all of your ammo where it is NOT needed, you'll find you get pushed out of any and all places where you could be in a position to help or support others because others will not consider it to be worth the risk to their own sanity and well being. This is not an objective I think you are seeking after or would want to see happen.
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I personally agree that knowledge does not always have a relationship to age and that is why I chose not to address that in what I just wrote. So I do not see a need for anyone to deride him on that ground. To me that DOES seem unnecessary.
My issue is with *behavior* that puts credibility at risk.
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Person A is telling Person B that X does not matter while at the same time stating that X is the reason that Person B should listen to Person A.
So when Person B mentions EGO, it's difficult not to see that in Person A - where apparently only their X matters and all other X can be ignored as meaningless.
It's highly entertaining on a certain level...carry on.
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<hands Virus a box of popcorn>
:cool:
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Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Wasn't you.
Always hate how popcorn works to get stuck in the most difficult to reach places...I consider that an assault! :P
How about a nice granola bar, no nuts - not processed on machinery used to process nuts...?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone saying "I'm an amateur _____..." or "I'm a _____ enthusiast..." because the knowledge is the knowledge, I'm not denying that, but without the support of a professional position, it is simply pretentious to claim 'authority' in such a manner, and does not come across well.
Just my .2c...
(UFP) Ragnar
I will readily admit, (though I will disagree with many of his and the experts' opinions on the subject) that Worffan knows more about modern paleontology than I do, relative 'life experience' notwithstanding. Though he has only pursued the field for 14 years compared to the 26 that I've been interested in the subject, he has been engaged in active research with an aim to make a full-time career of it, whereas my interest peaked when I was 12. He has more relative expertise than I do on the subject of paleontology.
That does not, as MDK notes, give him license to call himself an 'expert' or an 'authority' on paleontology. Once he's got a degree in his hands, then he can call himself a paleontologist. For now, he is a paleontology student. (Just like I was an engineering student until I got the piece of paper that gave me the right to claim to be an engineer.) He's devoted to his field of study, and as I said, he's got more relative expertise than me and probably the rest of us put together. That does not make him an 'expert,' but he is more than qualified to share his opinion and the opinions of real experts in the field.
But the real issue I have with Worffan is how he presents himself on the forums. Besides claiming authority on subjects over which he has none (which speaks of arrogance and childish boastfulness) he has shown a consistent tendency to regard his opinion as (his words) "objective fact" (which besides sounding arrogant, speaks of immaturity, and lack of wisdom and discernment.) And then as we've both noticed, his tendency to repeat himself in his arguments, as if repetition somehow makes them more valid. (Also childish.)
My point is, Worffan doesn't want to be treated as a child. And he shouldn't be. He's an intelligent young man with well-reasoned opinions and a massive repertoire of book knowledge on a variety of subjects. The problem is the way he presents himself when he argues simply looks childish. And as gulberat notes, his contemptuous and egotistical attitudes lead others to dismiss what he has to say out of hand.
I'm trying to help Worffan to step back, take a cold, objective look at himself and his arguments, and remove those elements that make him look immature and egotistical and maybe bring in some wisdom that comes with the knowledge of the fact that you don't actually know everything.
I think if he approaches his discussions - even on subjects where he can legitimately claim a degree of expertise - from a position of humility, he will find himself and his arguments more likely to be accepted by the rest of us adults.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
That... that was completely unecessary now
Why didnt you reply in the other... oh for God's sake, I don't understand your threads. I can reply there but not here, I should reply only after midnight but not here only there...
What you tweeted was opinion. Terms like "legitimate criticism" are not objective. I'm sure it felt true to you - but "truth" and emotion are seldom even found in the same room, much less the same concept.
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot - calling for objective reality is "fanboi".
Only at 12:06 at this thread but cancel your post and then find thread 42 and post there but you must wait 5 seconds between each character and then get approval from the overlords office before you put on a pink janitors toilet cleaning glove to click to post.
I think I get what happens with Geko sometimes. I could be very wrong about it but I feel like I have seen this type before. I don't think he realizes he's about to upset people when he does, or at least severely underestimates the impact of certain sarcastic remarks or things he probably finds funny. I suspect he would not be too fazed by them and thus doesn't realize others would take it differently. I think he realizes it after the fact but doesn't always know how to get out of it and gets defensive and upset himself when things get really heated.
I do NOT like the decisions he makes. I think he is a part of driving this game in a wrong direction. But I do NOT see why that should entail making an ogre out of a person. I have actually had a *civil,* calm exchange with him about one of those remarks I'm referring to above and whatever I think of the *business* decisions he makes, I take him at face value when he says it was an incident of humor that backfired and did not read in print the way it probably sounded in his head and looked on his face IRL.
I know it sounds stupid but sometimes I get annoyed because yes he HAS made some major screwups but I know it is possible for things to go another way where we can be *civil* in disagreement.
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I spent my first two weeks on the phones explaining to people why their phones weren't there, and why we couldn't say when they'd arrive. The TV in the break room was locked on CNN, so we could follow any developments in the investigation. I can't tell you how many times I saw the towers fall.
I couldn't process that statement either.
Simply put I understand why the forums have the rep it has and far too many posters have and still work to proof everything that people say about the forums is right.
It's 2015. Why am I still explaining to people how the Internet works?
Tubes.
It's tubes right?