Cryptic isn't in the business of creating the best possible Star Trek gaming experience. They are in the business of creating what is called a minimum viable product (MVP). In short, the least amount of effort required to create a product that will generate feedback from customers.
The problem with most people in this thread is that they believe their opinion is the feedback, but it isn't. The feedback Cryptic is interested in is revenue. The only real purpose these forums serve is bug reporting, because dedicated players will do it for free, much cheaper than Cryptic's already virtually nonexistent QA department. With your free QA they are able to fix the most egregious bugs and leave the merely inconvenient ones in, allowing them to focus on the next iteration of the mvp.
The only problem I see with this is that STO is a very niche game and they're quickly running through all their viable customers. There is no current incarnation of original canon Star Trek bringing fans to this game and STO has nothing to do with JJTrek, so fans of that have no reason to come here. Its basically just all a countdown to when they've burned through all the fans of 90s Star Trek that also happen to play video games.
It doesn't matter the content was faction specific...
What we are talking about here is the amount of developer work.
Adding 8 free ships, the number of missions, animations, outfits and so on with LoR represents - work -
DR's copy-pasting text for t5u, upgrading and crafting represent LACK of work.
Not adding modifers as promised is a lack of content and represent lack of work. It's something that when you hold it up to LoR is missing, makes DR less, objectively and certified.
Gecko himself, and I laughed typing that because it means zero to me what they say, said DR was "content light".
That especially in comparison to LoR, DR had a lot of text changes but few models, animations etc. what I call "work" or little adding to the game.
So there is an "emperical", metrical basis for saying that DR is less or weaker than LoR
Perhaps watching Voyager adversely affected your view of Delta Rising...lol, Voyager has been known to adversely affect folks in all sorts of ways. It's painful that folks apparently wanted STO to go VOY. Then again, STO had been DS9...so it wasn't really any worse.
I hate to bust up your ego on that last part but the Klingons *were* in the Delta Quadrant before any other Federation vessel, according to Voyager episode "Prophecy". That ship of Klingons was a generational ship that had apparently been looking for their saviour for 200 years or something.
As for the question at hand, the content is irrelevent. It was all the nerfing done that's agitated so many people. The content is fine, minus all the massive sinks, both time and dilithium, as well as all the greater costs involved.
As for the OP, the answer is nothing. Cryptic is not going to do anything except what they have been doing. There will be more sinks, more timegates, more bugs, less players and they'll keep throwing shinies for whatever players remain to gobble up until there's none left. Geko made the path clear to everyone and they're not going to budge until they've tapped everyone out or have no one left to sell to. Then the game will shut down, eventually.
But as for changing course or listening to the players...not gonna happen. They only choose to listen to things they can monotize and seem to ignore how many people are dissatisfied or why. Fixing things costs money. Selling them makes it for them.
A week before STO went live I had written to what I thought was simply the marketing dept about some issue that a lot of people were pretty mad about (I forget exactly what it was; I still have the email buried in my email archives, I think). Anyway, I ended up getting a response from their head of marketing. His response could be summed up as "We think everyone who wants to play in the Star Trek universe will put up with almost anything so we're doing whatever we want with the game. I have a feeling they never lost that attitude.
1. Shut down any and all DOOM threads.
2. Shut down any thread that calls attention to how bad Cryptic is doing.
3, Make obtraining dilithium extremely painful for players.
4. Drive up the cost of everything that costs dilithium in the game.
5. Reduce the amount of dilithium rewards to nothing.
6. Nerf Doff missions and mining as to ensure more failiures thus costing players dilithium rewwards
7. Change the game economy and force players to spend real world money on Zen in order to buy processed Dilithium.
8. Ignore All plyer bug reports and focus on finding new ways to make players buy ZEN.
9. Establish the BUY ZEN TO FUND BUG FIXING exchange.
10. Nerf every other aspect of the game that still remains fun in order to make players buy more zen in order to have fun.
What happened to those unique forum ranks I paid for?
if you think your updates are bad. Please go read the updates on Champions Online.
we got our first new mission set in 2 years. Mechanon
previous one was Nighthawk and that was to introduce vehicles and a paid archetype(class).
the rest- mini events- usually 2 small missions(5mins total) plus 1 larger mission,costumes, auras, vehicles, lockboxes.
if you think your updates are bad. Please go read the updates on Champions Online.
we got our first new mission set in 2 years. Mechanon
previous one was Nighthawk and that was to introduce vehicles and a paid archetype(class).
the rest- mini events- usually 2 small missions(5mins total) plus 1 larger mission,costumes, auras, vehicles, lockboxes.
Point 2: what are your updates?
So, basically since another game is even worst, ours is fine ? Well, next time you have a broken limb, just remember, some people have lost it, so it's fine, no need to see a doctor, just stop whining and get back to work !
Feel free to complain about the lack of work on Champions Online on the appropriate forum. This is STO forum, you took a wrong turn.
So, basically since another game is even worst, ours is fine ? Well, next time you have a broken limb, just remember, some people have lost it, so it's fine, no need to see a doctor, just stop whining and get back to work !
Bad analogy is bad.
A better analogy is the JJverse in comparison to the Prime Universe TV/movies. It's undeniable that the JJ movies are successful. Tons of moviegoers love them. But most old fans apparently do not. It's not that the JJ movies are somehow "objectively" bad, it's that most people that were fans before JJ Trek don't like what they experienced in it, while non-fans who may be Trek-curious or just wanna go see a scifi action flick do.
DR was made for that top 1% of us who can finish Infected Space in thirty seconds. DR was made for those of us who finish content too quickly then complain that there's nothing to do. DR was made for the player who enjoys a good Korean megagrind(though STO is still pretty light on the grind in comparison). It wasn't made for those of us who aren't comfortable without being at the very top. And it certainly wasn't made for a "developer apologist" like me who has 45 characters.
It is what it is. Delta Rising shifted the target demographic. Do I think that's justified? No. But I can recognize that it's not "objectively" bad.
Likewise, DS9 had the best character driven stories, I think Enterprise was approaching this or maybe even surpassing DS9 for well written stories in S3 and definitely in S4, had it been allowed the full 7 seasons it could well have become the most popular series of the franchise.
Silik and Shran were awesome characters and made the series way better than it would have been without them.
So, basically since another game is even worst, ours is fine ? Well, next time you have a broken limb, just remember, some people have lost it, so it's fine, no need to see a doctor, just stop whining and get back to work !
Feel free to complain about the lack of work on Champions Online on the appropriate forum. This is STO forum, you took a wrong turn.
Chaelk spends a lot more time there than here.
Actually the people on the Champs forums are usually a lot more polite about their requests...
Sure, if I had zero patience and felt entitled to everything now - I'd likely have to dig the wallet out. But uh, I don't...so I don't. It happens when it happens...
Don't get me wrong, mind you - if it were not for all those impatient folks the game wouldn't be around like it is for me to have enjoyed it in the way I do.
Your post is true....for 2012, 2013, and the first half of 2014. Its completely false now with the upgrade system.
A better analogy is the JJverse in comparison to the Prime Universe TV/movies. It's undeniable that the JJ movies are successful. Tons of moviegoers love them. But most old fans apparently do not.
No, not really it just a loud mouthed minority of Star Trek fans repeating the same debunked stuff to make them look larger then they really are.
And considering some of them are becoming increasingly insane sounding over the films (not here but there is a facebook group thats completely nuts) I don't blame Paramount for ignoring them.
DR was made for that top 1% of us who can finish Infected Space in thirty seconds. DR was made for those of us who finish content too quickly then complain that there's nothing to do. DR was made for the player who enjoys a good Korean megagrind(though STO is still pretty light on the grind in comparison). It wasn't made for those of us who aren't comfortable without being at the very top. And it certainly wasn't made for a "developer apologist" like me who has 45 characters.
It is what it is. Delta Rising shifted the target demographic. Do I think that's justified? No. But I can recognize that it's not "objectively" bad.
Actually if it shifts the majority of people playing to focus on a minority of players it is an "objectively" bad idea. You can't really milk the small hardcore groups forever, hence why Star Trek eventually crashed and burned and needed a reboot to get going again.
DR was made for the 1% of us, dumb enough to spend 5 million dil on a text upgrade.
And just to put those 5 million dil, the cost of upgrading 1 ship, into perspective...
If you upgrade just 1 ship, it's the equivalent of buying 10 c-store t6 ships with models, animations, consoles and everything.
Now if you upgrade 2 ships, it's the equivalent of buying 20 c-store t6 ships which for all intents and purposes will be just about what you'd ever spend on ships from here on out and till the servers go dark.
FOR TEXT UPGRADES, letters moved around in notepad in 15 minutes but by all means keep promoting yourself as top gangster
DR was made for the 1% of us, dumb enough to spend 5 million dil on a text upgrade.
And just to put those 5 million dil, the cost of upgrading 1 ship, into perspective...
If you upgrade just 1 ship, it's the equivalent of buying 10 c-store t6 ships with models, animations, consoles and everything.
Now if you upgrade 2 ships, it's the equivalent of buying 20 c-store t6 ships which for all intents and purposes will be just about what you'd ever spend on ships from here on out and till the servers go dark.
FOR TEXT UPGRADES, letters moved around in notepad in 15 minutes but by all means keep promoting yourself as top gangster
Your price estimate is right on. This is the amount of dilithium I have = about $300. However, I guess you'd have to go all epic - all skip - and bad luck to spend 5 million on upgrades. I've vastly increased my dilithium reserves while upgrading one ship to deep purple 14 and 4 ships to 13/14
All of those 5 ships have cost well under a million. Maybe you also have to use blue upgrades?
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Actually if it shifts the majority of people playing to focus on a minority of players it is an "objectively" bad idea. You can't really milk the small hardcore groups forever, hence why Star Trek eventually crashed and burned and needed a reboot to get going again.
That still doesn't make it objectively bad, as preferring more players over less players is by definition subjective.
Agreed on your JJ Trek point though. *shrug* But that seems to be what's happening on this forum about STO as well.
Actually, on that I have to disagree. The mods here are surprisingly tolerant of what we can say on these forums... you find yourself banned long before what we can get away with here.
Check posting 77 and see how tolerant it is here :cool:
They can appease me with mountains of free lobi. Oh yeah... they took everything from the store I wanted. So maybe just de-nerf XP outside Argala so I can play where I want to at the same rate per hour.
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The problem with most people in this thread is that they believe their opinion is the feedback, but it isn't. The feedback Cryptic is interested in is revenue. The only real purpose these forums serve is bug reporting, because dedicated players will do it for free, much cheaper than Cryptic's already virtually nonexistent QA department. With your free QA they are able to fix the most egregious bugs and leave the merely inconvenient ones in, allowing them to focus on the next iteration of the mvp.
The only problem I see with this is that STO is a very niche game and they're quickly running through all their viable customers. There is no current incarnation of original canon Star Trek bringing fans to this game and STO has nothing to do with JJTrek, so fans of that have no reason to come here. Its basically just all a countdown to when they've burned through all the fans of 90s Star Trek that also happen to play video games.
What we are talking about here is the amount of developer work.
Adding 8 free ships, the number of missions, animations, outfits and so on with LoR represents - work -
DR's copy-pasting text for t5u, upgrading and crafting represent LACK of work.
Not adding modifers as promised is a lack of content and represent lack of work. It's something that when you hold it up to LoR is missing, makes DR less, objectively and certified.
Gecko himself, and I laughed typing that because it means zero to me what they say, said DR was "content light".
That especially in comparison to LoR, DR had a lot of text changes but few models, animations etc. what I call "work" or little adding to the game.
So there is an "emperical", metrical basis for saying that DR is less or weaker than LoR
I hate to bust up your ego on that last part but the Klingons *were* in the Delta Quadrant before any other Federation vessel, according to Voyager episode "Prophecy". That ship of Klingons was a generational ship that had apparently been looking for their saviour for 200 years or something.
As for the question at hand, the content is irrelevent. It was all the nerfing done that's agitated so many people. The content is fine, minus all the massive sinks, both time and dilithium, as well as all the greater costs involved.
As for the OP, the answer is nothing. Cryptic is not going to do anything except what they have been doing. There will be more sinks, more timegates, more bugs, less players and they'll keep throwing shinies for whatever players remain to gobble up until there's none left. Geko made the path clear to everyone and they're not going to budge until they've tapped everyone out or have no one left to sell to. Then the game will shut down, eventually.
But as for changing course or listening to the players...not gonna happen. They only choose to listen to things they can monotize and seem to ignore how many people are dissatisfied or why. Fixing things costs money. Selling them makes it for them.
1. Shut down any and all DOOM threads.
2. Shut down any thread that calls attention to how bad Cryptic is doing.
3, Make obtraining dilithium extremely painful for players.
4. Drive up the cost of everything that costs dilithium in the game.
5. Reduce the amount of dilithium rewards to nothing.
6. Nerf Doff missions and mining as to ensure more failiures thus costing players dilithium rewwards
7. Change the game economy and force players to spend real world money on Zen in order to buy processed Dilithium.
8. Ignore All plyer bug reports and focus on finding new ways to make players buy ZEN.
9. Establish the BUY ZEN TO FUND BUG FIXING exchange.
10. Nerf every other aspect of the game that still remains fun in order to make players buy more zen in order to have fun.
if you think your updates are bad. Please go read the updates on Champions Online.
we got our first new mission set in 2 years. Mechanon
previous one was Nighthawk and that was to introduce vehicles and a paid archetype(class).
the rest- mini events- usually 2 small missions(5mins total) plus 1 larger mission,costumes, auras, vehicles, lockboxes.
Point 2: what are your updates?
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Feel free to complain about the lack of work on Champions Online on the appropriate forum. This is STO forum, you took a wrong turn.
A better analogy is the JJverse in comparison to the Prime Universe TV/movies. It's undeniable that the JJ movies are successful. Tons of moviegoers love them. But most old fans apparently do not. It's not that the JJ movies are somehow "objectively" bad, it's that most people that were fans before JJ Trek don't like what they experienced in it, while non-fans who may be Trek-curious or just wanna go see a scifi action flick do.
DR was made for that top 1% of us who can finish Infected Space in thirty seconds. DR was made for those of us who finish content too quickly then complain that there's nothing to do. DR was made for the player who enjoys a good Korean megagrind(though STO is still pretty light on the grind in comparison). It wasn't made for those of us who aren't comfortable without being at the very top. And it certainly wasn't made for a "developer apologist" like me who has 45 characters.
It is what it is. Delta Rising shifted the target demographic. Do I think that's justified? No. But I can recognize that it's not "objectively" bad.
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Actually the people on the Champs forums are usually a lot more polite about their requests...
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Your post is true....for 2012, 2013, and the first half of 2014. Its completely false now with the upgrade system.
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No, not really it just a loud mouthed minority of Star Trek fans repeating the same debunked stuff to make them look larger then they really are.
And considering some of them are becoming increasingly insane sounding over the films (not here but there is a facebook group thats completely nuts) I don't blame Paramount for ignoring them.
Actually if it shifts the majority of people playing to focus on a minority of players it is an "objectively" bad idea. You can't really milk the small hardcore groups forever, hence why Star Trek eventually crashed and burned and needed a reboot to get going again.
And just to put those 5 million dil, the cost of upgrading 1 ship, into perspective...
If you upgrade just 1 ship, it's the equivalent of buying 10 c-store t6 ships with models, animations, consoles and everything.
Now if you upgrade 2 ships, it's the equivalent of buying 20 c-store t6 ships which for all intents and purposes will be just about what you'd ever spend on ships from here on out and till the servers go dark.
FOR TEXT UPGRADES, letters moved around in notepad in 15 minutes but by all means keep promoting yourself as top gangster
Your price estimate is right on. This is the amount of dilithium I have = about $300. However, I guess you'd have to go all epic - all skip - and bad luck to spend 5 million on upgrades. I've vastly increased my dilithium reserves while upgrading one ship to deep purple 14 and 4 ships to 13/14
All of those 5 ships have cost well under a million. Maybe you also have to use blue upgrades?
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Agreed on your JJ Trek point though. *shrug* But that seems to be what's happening on this forum about STO as well.
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Check posting 77 and see how tolerant it is here :cool: