'I want to disrupt your gameplay doing something that I find fun, even if you dislike me doing it to you... and if you do dislike being constantly annoyed/knocked down, then you have a problem and are anti-social' ...
Really?
Please explain how social items can disrupt gameplay if you're not an unreasonable person and know how to switch instances.
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
Not wanting to be pelted by snowballs doesn't make someone anti-social. There are times when some folks are doing other things, such as banks/exchange/tailor/RP etc. and they just don't want to have a snowball fight with you. Sometimes they will. Sometimes they prefer to be left alone.
Already addressed this, if the snowballs really are interrupting interactions with the exchange or other services then Cryptic needs to look into it.
So what should they do, stay in an instance they don't like and scream and stamp their feet and demand everyone else in it conform to their way of playing? I think I'll go to Quark's and demand everyone start dancing. No sitting at the bar allowed and if they don't start dancing then they're obviously trolls and ruining my game. :rolleyes: Again, if you don't like the way the game is going in a particular instance, either find another one or go outside for once in your life. I can do that, most other people can do that, why can't the people who make these ridiculous demands do that?
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
See, the thing is a reasonable person would go do something else if they don't find something in here fun. I don't feel like doing an stf? I don't do it. I don't feel like getting into a dance party on Droz? I leave when it starts. People screaming about how they were assaulted by a videogame snowball instead of taking responsibility and doing something they find fun are the unreasonable ones.
You are arguing apples and oranges. STFs are queued instanced content, Drozana is not an active social zone in the sense ESD is. There in lies the problem and that is why I think a compromise is the best thing we can try to come to so both sides get what they want.
I don't want them to make it so snowballs only work in WW even though it is not my thing others do enjoy it and so I think it would not be fair that I should force that on them however the opposite is also true.
I'm not going overboard though, I'm just using examples from their posts. I shudder to think who would willingly stay around someone who wants to administer an "TRIBBLE kicking" to someone who throws a snowball at them. Not to mention the whole "I should be able to tear out your fingernails" power fantasy.
Really? Not going overboard? I point you to the bolded part at the end of your own post callinng someone that is going overboard:
When the people who don't like these start posting their torture and beating fantasies about the people who do like them, alongside demands to have them removed, you'll know they're mentally imbalanced control freaks.
Just because someone starts acting like a drama queen, and both sides have done that and I can quote the supporters OTT posts, does not mean they are mentally imbalanced control freaks. When they do, regardles of what side they are on they do themselves and their side no favours. However I do think some, again on both sides, do it intentionally to wind people up which is just silly.
Unfortunately both sides seem to be geting entrenched to the point they are blind reasonable arguments drom the other. I can see this ending badly for one side and gioven Cryptics past I think that will be on the side of making snowballs only usable in WW which is something I wouldn't want to see being done. I would argue againts that myself as it is unfair to punish those that do genuinely enjoy them because of a minority of trolls who use them to cause problems.
That's a good idea and Cryptic should look into that, being taken out of the exchange or bank or whatever shouldn't happen.
Exactly, and I think it is the interupt that is causing most of the problems and people are over reacting to it. To me Bluegeeks option is the most sensible and fair compromise that we have for both sides. Even though I made one myself I would still prefer Blues to be the one implimented.
I gotta say that the knockdowns and interrupts are the biggest problem. Though I wouldn't mind a snowball nullifier, which should simply be called a Heat Shield, a shield mod that sublimates snowballs on contact.
The question is will it work on snowmen too? That would make you invincible in the Winter Wonderland. Maybe it should only work on other players snowballs...of course it should.
I'm picturing most of the people in this thread as children, and I'm picturing them running, possibly crying, to the teacher or nearest adult to tell on anyone that might have thrown a snowball at them instead of simply throwing one back. I imagine the reaction is quite similar when getting hit by an e-snowball; the trauma must still be lodged in the subconscious.
I didn't realize the devs had to be psychologists as well as programmers.
Personally I enjoy a good snowball fight. Doesn't mean I want to be dragged into an impromptu one all the time, regardless of the season.
Actually I think the Snowball PVP is a great idea. Neverwinter has a water fight during the Summer event which is pvp and its actually pretty fun. Maybe next year they will have a big pvp fight out on the lake or in a new area of the map.
On that note, we need waterguns, water balloons, and a waterfight next year on Risa. That said the waterfight should be in a specific area. And at some point we're gonna need extra bank space for all the new weapons.
Q would be so upset that his wonderful gift of snowballs are not being fully appreciated.
This is true, but it should also be noted that Q should never be a morality guide as he's a self centered omnipotent jerk who cares very little for others feelings, roughly considering us as his pet ants.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
Simply put, any type of griefing of other players is harassment.
I report it as such regardless if it happens to me or others I observe. The proof that those doing know that it's wrong is in how they run away, hide, change instances, etc. The place for snowballs is QWW. Want Disco? C47 is open now. Use your captain's abilities in missions, not in ESD.
Dilithium won't grind itself, and I got ***** to do.
And if it's you doing it, and you wind up under the ban hammer, tough. You knew better, and you did it anyway.
Some people just want have some silly fun with snow balls!
I do not want to be included in your "fun".
Do I not have rights? Why do you think that only your rights count?
This is a clear-cut case of the inherent conflict between negative and positive rights.
Some people, like me, demand the negative right to not have their gameplay disrupted by insolent little children throwing snowballs.
Other people, who wish to throw said snowballs, demand the positive right to require everyone to make themselves available as targets for their snowballs.
This is why positive rights are inherently invalid and the only legitimate rights that anyone possesses are negative rights.
The Devs are NOT going to remove the snowballs. They are extremely unlikely to restrict their use to the Winter Wonderland. They MAY be willing to entertain some compensating controls, that some seem to feel spoil their fun.
Keep it up and this will end up on the FCT, but not before a few trolls get their comeuppance on the forums.
Granting temporary resistance after being hit with a snowball is reasonable.
Preventing the knockdown effect when players are engaged in certain activities is also reasonable, but likely requires some work from systems and programming and isn't going to happen this year.
Removing the snowballs or altering them away from what they were intended to be is not reasonable. Failing to take advantage of any in-game means to mitigate the effects of the snowballs is not reasonable. If there is no mitigation of any kind, that's grounds for a complaint and you should file a ticket as well as mention it as a possible bug in the appropriate forum.
Insisting that people suck it up when they don't like it is also not terribly reasonable. Character assassination of the people who disagree with you is definitely not reasonable, if you fall into that category.
Due to what I can only believe is trolling on both sides of the issue, I am closing the thread. For those who believe they are being subjected to ToS violations in-game, you are welcome to file a ticket on the subject.
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Please explain how social items can disrupt gameplay if you're not an unreasonable person and know how to switch instances.
Me: start with the M&Ms!
seriously this has turned into such a ****fest going all the way to idiots labeling each other with mental disabilities.
Already addressed this, if the snowballs really are interrupting interactions with the exchange or other services then Cryptic needs to look into it.
So what should they do, stay in an instance they don't like and scream and stamp their feet and demand everyone else in it conform to their way of playing? I think I'll go to Quark's and demand everyone start dancing. No sitting at the bar allowed and if they don't start dancing then they're obviously trolls and ruining my game. :rolleyes: Again, if you don't like the way the game is going in a particular instance, either find another one or go outside for once in your life. I can do that, most other people can do that, why can't the people who make these ridiculous demands do that?
You are arguing apples and oranges. STFs are queued instanced content, Drozana is not an active social zone in the sense ESD is. There in lies the problem and that is why I think a compromise is the best thing we can try to come to so both sides get what they want.
I don't want them to make it so snowballs only work in WW even though it is not my thing others do enjoy it and so I think it would not be fair that I should force that on them however the opposite is also true.
Really? Not going overboard? I point you to the bolded part at the end of your own post callinng someone that is going overboard:
Just because someone starts acting like a drama queen, and both sides have done that and I can quote the supporters OTT posts, does not mean they are mentally imbalanced control freaks. When they do, regardles of what side they are on they do themselves and their side no favours. However I do think some, again on both sides, do it intentionally to wind people up which is just silly.
Unfortunately both sides seem to be geting entrenched to the point they are blind reasonable arguments drom the other. I can see this ending badly for one side and gioven Cryptics past I think that will be on the side of making snowballs only usable in WW which is something I wouldn't want to see being done. I would argue againts that myself as it is unfair to punish those that do genuinely enjoy them because of a minority of trolls who use them to cause problems.
Exactly, and I think it is the interupt that is causing most of the problems and people are over reacting to it. To me Bluegeeks option is the most sensible and fair compromise that we have for both sides. Even though I made one myself I would still prefer Blues to be the one implimented.
The question is will it work on snowmen too? That would make you invincible in the Winter Wonderland. Maybe it should only work on other players snowballs...of course it should.
Personally I enjoy a good snowball fight. Doesn't mean I want to be dragged into an impromptu one all the time, regardless of the season. On that note, we need waterguns, water balloons, and a waterfight next year on Risa. That said the waterfight should be in a specific area. And at some point we're gonna need extra bank space for all the new weapons.
This is true, but it should also be noted that Q should never be a morality guide as he's a self centered omnipotent jerk who cares very little for others feelings, roughly considering us as his pet ants.
I report it as such regardless if it happens to me or others I observe. The proof that those doing know that it's wrong is in how they run away, hide, change instances, etc. The place for snowballs is QWW. Want Disco? C47 is open now. Use your captain's abilities in missions, not in ESD.
Dilithium won't grind itself, and I got ***** to do.
And if it's you doing it, and you wind up under the ban hammer, tough. You knew better, and you did it anyway.
I do not want to be included in your "fun".
Do I not have rights? Why do you think that only your rights count?
This is a clear-cut case of the inherent conflict between negative and positive rights.
Some people, like me, demand the negative right to not have their gameplay disrupted by insolent little children throwing snowballs.
Other people, who wish to throw said snowballs, demand the positive right to require everyone to make themselves available as targets for their snowballs.
This is why positive rights are inherently invalid and the only legitimate rights that anyone possesses are negative rights.
Negative rights mean freedom.
Positive rights mean a distinct lack of freedom.
from Nabreeki post : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBAA_ryzOmE
so funny
The Devs are NOT going to remove the snowballs. They are extremely unlikely to restrict their use to the Winter Wonderland. They MAY be willing to entertain some compensating controls, that some seem to feel spoil their fun.
Keep it up and this will end up on the FCT, but not before a few trolls get their comeuppance on the forums.
Granting temporary resistance after being hit with a snowball is reasonable.
Preventing the knockdown effect when players are engaged in certain activities is also reasonable, but likely requires some work from systems and programming and isn't going to happen this year.
Removing the snowballs or altering them away from what they were intended to be is not reasonable. Failing to take advantage of any in-game means to mitigate the effects of the snowballs is not reasonable. If there is no mitigation of any kind, that's grounds for a complaint and you should file a ticket as well as mention it as a possible bug in the appropriate forum.
Insisting that people suck it up when they don't like it is also not terribly reasonable. Character assassination of the people who disagree with you is definitely not reasonable, if you fall into that category.
Due to what I can only believe is trolling on both sides of the issue, I am closing the thread. For those who believe they are being subjected to ToS violations in-game, you are welcome to file a ticket on the subject.
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek