Not like these two totally have PvP advantages built into ships and/or traits and the Klankers went on about their superiority to the 'Feddiebears' for years. Then came Rommies, with Green death dominating alongside Red. :rolleyes:
You see 'Fed Favoritism' yet those of us without the rose-tinted glasses just see that Craptic/PWE perceives most Blue players as cattle to be milked for all their worth. I.E. Avenger before Mogh so Feddies were suckered into buying a 'good ship' before KDF got a better version of the same ship. Or this whole T-6 LRSV coming out after milking T-5U LRSV tokens from people shenanigans. Note the 2-3-5 consoles, it's already staged for a Fleet 6.5 3-3-5 version to con people out of even more of their money.
when I first started I made 3 fed toons eng/Tac/Sci
Like most ST Fans I like Fed ships
Then I was told about all the Klingon perks I investigated and found them to be true
I made 4 Klingon toons to ( Exploit ) these perks and I still ( Exploit ) them today
Then came along the Romulans with the space DPS domination
Now a veteran of cryptic business pratices I made 3 fed an 3 kdf Rommies to ( Exploit ) these unfair advantages over my Fed toons
KDF Romulans have the silver spoon plated in gold..............
They got so many advantages over my Feds its shameful really..............No I refuse to post them on the Forums these ( Exploits ) might be nerfed
I will say this
If your a new player or a dissatisfied player concearning dilithium and dps and wealth make a KDF romulan and join a good fleet and you will get the maxium from the game for the least effort and more room to play with builds without hurting your dps much
Feds get more ships and costumes
the least dilithium earned per day the least DPS the least wealth
If you just got to have a good science ship get a wells ...what you want battlecloak too ? lol
Anything a player does for himself that's good in the game cryptic call's it a ( Exploit )
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Not like these two totally have PvP advantages built into ships and/or traits and the Klankers went on about their superiority to the 'Feddiebears' for years. Then came Rommies, with Green death dominating alongside Red. :rolleyes:
You see 'Fed Favoritism' yet those of us without the rose-tinted glasses just see that Craptic/PWE perceives most Blue players as cattle to be milked for all their worth. I.E. Avenger before Mogh so Feddies were suckered into buying a 'good ship' before KDF got a better version of the same ship. Or this whole T-6 LRSV coming out after milking T-5U LRSV tokens from people shenanigans. Note the 2-3-5 consoles, it's already staged for a Fleet 6.5 3-3-5 version to con people out of even more of their money.
Please, do go on about the PVP advantages. I really want to see what you have to say, esp. as someone that used to do PVP. Show us on the doll where the bad Bird of Prey touched you. This should be good.
Realize that the Roms are both found Fed or KDF aligned, so I don't need to hear your TRIBBLE about the Roms when you have tons and tons of Fed-Roms flying with you. The Roms are a wash advantage.
LOL, talk about "Rose Tinted Glasses" yourself. You think that comedy with putting out a new ship after you upgraded your old one is a Fed only thing? :eek: And you really think that's going to end with you guys? Because I promise you, it's going to happen elsewhere :rolleyes:
when I first started I made 3 fed toons eng/Tac/Sci
Like most ST Fans I like Fed ships
Then I was told about all the Klingon perks I investigated and found them to be true
I made 4 Klingon toons to ( Exploit ) these perks and I still ( Exploit ) them today
Then came along the Romulans with the space DPS domination
Now a veteran of cryptic business pratices I made 3 fed an 3 kdf Rommies to ( Exploit ) these unfair advantages over my Fed toons
KDF Romulans have the silver spoon plated in gold..............
They got so many advantages over my Feds its shameful really..............No I refuse to post them on the Forums these ( Exploits ) might be nerfed
I will say this
If your a new player or a dissatisfied player concearning dilithium and dps and wealth make a KDF romulan and join a good fleet and you will get the maxium from the game for the least effort and more room to play with builds without hurting your dps much
Feds get more ships and costumes
the least dilithium earned per day the least DPS the least wealth
If you just got to have a good science ship get a wells ...what you want battlecloak too ? lol
Anything a player does for himself that's good in the game cryptic call's it a ( Exploit )
The farming advantage is not a faction advantage when you can shuffle that wealth to the rest of your characters on the account.
You see, we do know that there are the real KDF players, then there are the Fed Farmers.
As expected, refusal to see anything but your own perception of things. Such is why I long ago ceased to give a damn about this community, especially when KDF fanboys are involved. :rolleyes:
Keep pontificating. Craptic won't care. Neither will 90% of the player base. The status-qua will be maintained to this game's death.
It truly is a shame, because when Cryptic puts their mind to it, they can if they choose to, create some of the best Romulan and KDF stuff going. They have a genuine talent for it when they want to, see the missions that are some of the best non-canon Klink stuff around, starships that look like they left KDF shipyards (Is there a higher complement?) gameplay that suits the KDF almost exactly.
Despite a completely obvious Fed bias in development!
And yet Fed stuff? They don't have a clue about Fed stuff. The Fed content here is a stranger wearing a familiar face, it isn't Starfleet. Certainly not the series we all know.
STO could have been the greatest Klingon game, Ever. I do not need to justify that statement, just look at STO, see how Klingon it can be in spite of anti-KDF actions, and imagine what it could be like if KDF were treated like Feds are. For one moment, imagine that.
The Empire would be proud of what STO could have been, but, instead we have the Terran Empire pretending to be Starfleet with two side add ons. And that is the most disappointing part.
We can live with the Fed favouring, it was sort of expectable.
We can live with having second best scraps, because we are the best and we take Fed scraps and find a way to make it work.
The sheer untapped and un-nurtured potential? That hurts. It really does.
I think Cryptic always thought the amount of people interested in other faction was lower than it's truly is.
Amongst the fan, you have a lot of people wanting to play Klingon/Rom. And then, for non star trek fan, either from people knowing star trek for having seen an episode or a movie, or just a guy who know star trek from name, Klingons and Rom are just like elves and dwarf in another game.
When I first played this game, I had just seen a few ST movie, not even a single series episode. I was still very interested to playing Romulan. The argument "we see only SF on screen" was pretty much non existent to me, because I was not a SF fan or whatever. Playing KDF was like playing dwarf in Rift. I don't know much of the lore, but dwarves are cool.
And I suppose a lot of people think that way. Klingons looks cool, I'll play one.
Not like these two totally have PvP advantages built into ships and/or traits and the Klankers went on about their superiority to the 'Feddiebears' for years. Then came Rommies, with Green death dominating alongside Red. :rolleyes:
In a game where PvP has been dead for at least solid 2 years. LMAO!!!
As a predominantly KDF I'm not too broken hearted about the Federation favoritism, it's just more resources that I can direct at my Klingon characters. The T6 KDF and Rom ships are to me much more visually appealing than the Federation ships of the same tier.
Quality > Quantity.
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New Content Wishlist
T6 updates for the Kamarag & Vor'Cha
Heavy Cruiser & a Movie Era Style AoY Utility Cruiser
He'll I'm happy there is a decent raptor in the game now. Far as favortism, no kidding.
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As expected, refusal to see anything but your own perception of things. Such is why I long ago ceased to give a damn about this community, especially when KDF fanboys are involved. :rolleyes:
Keep pontificating. Craptic won't care. Neither will 90% of the player base. The status-qua will be maintained to this game's death.
So you never really had any points? You couldn't list those PVP advantages you were going on about? Because I was ready to counter those points.
So who's refusing to see anything? You say you don't give a damn, but hey, here you are posting in the forums about an issue with STO.
Oh my...
Welcome to Star Trek Online. Or should I say, "Good bye" to you?
To put it simple this is not a Star Ship game unlike other Star Trek games.It has no proper balancing such as weapon types etc etc.
This is not favoured on the side of the Federation as I got 4 Klingon char. 5 Fed. 2 Roms.
Just like the guy I was "discussing" with earlier, what are these things that favor the KDF over the Feds in the ships? I really hope you got your stuff together, because the Feds have an entire arsenal of outstanding ships I'll use to refute your points. Handily.
And how can you say STO is not about the Starships when that's the only thing that people really give a damn about? Space Combat is easily more popular than Ground, and I'm not talking about a PVP vs PVE thing, either. Space has always been more popular in STO. And what do you need to fight in space? An EV Suit? No.
You need a Starship.
And past ST games weren't exactly quite balanced, either.
The funny part about this community is how they anti-KDF movement seems to have died off during the years. Those that still do it are making it more and more justified for them to make non-federation content.
Heck if the old forum threads weren't archived you would see that including myself there might have been like 5 of us vocal in the forums about the KDF. Thanks to LoR though the KDF is growing as well as the Romulan Republic either it be a fed or kdf aligned they are still the romulan republic and a faction worthy of content just as much as any other faction.
Then you go look at someone calling the community a bunch of KDF fanboys lol. I am ever so proud that a minority us 18% are being referred to as the community lol. Plus anyone who knows star trek would know even though 90% of it was of the federation in mmorpgs they are pretty much 90% combat and 10% F key. So it would make more sense for the game to be more klingon or romulan than federation being that the federation as an organization is only really going on the offensive when the time is right and not something like oh there is a guy who is not of the federation... KILL HIM. Then again too there are a lot of players who don't know squat about Star Trek but guess what they love this game. So that is another aspect of this game is especially if you have players who are into Klingons or Romulans more than the federation and you tell them well the tv show/movies this is based on wasn't really about your faction so your screwed.
This does bring me to one of my ideas of making the game more cannon because it seems like the developers of this game they are trying to follow a cookie cutter of mmorpgs but they try to make it their own at the same time. The only problem in doing so is that there are missing elements that could be turned around into making the game appear/be more canon and favor each faction to what they are supposed to be. Like the federation making diplomatic, science, medical, exploration, etc puzzles mini games that may only involve a marginal amount of combat but mostly non combat would be intellectually challenging to that faction and make it what it should be.
So all they need to do is show favoritism to lets say everyone then everyone can be happy eh? heh
Just like the guy I was "discussing" with earlier, what are these things that favor the KDF over the Feds in the ships? I really hope you got your stuff together, because the Feds have an entire arsenal of outstanding ships I'll use to refute your points. Handily.
And how can you say STO is not about the Starships when that's the only thing that people really give a damn about? Space Combat is easily more popular than Ground, and I'm not talking about a PVP vs PVE thing, either. Space has always been more popular in STO. And what do you need to fight in space? An EV Suit? No.
You need a Starship.
And past ST games weren't exactly quite balanced, either.
No.It isn't if you played any other Star Trek game me StarFleet Command 1,2 and 3 as well as Legacey.Those all feel like a Star Trek and are far better balanced and what a starship game without pvp.Star Fleet Command is far better balanced.
Klingons have got some great ship that can all take cannons as well as Roms.it is only Escorts that can take DHC or DC.
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Part of the issue here, is that PWE/Cryptic are misunderstanding some of their numbers. One reason that there are so many Fed toons on the books, is because when the game launched, until LoR, you HAD TO create a Fed toon to unlock a Klingon. So for most people that have a Klingon, there is at least one Fed toon.
I'm getting kinda sick of how you are treating another portion of your player base, if you don't know what that is let me tell you...
....KDF and ROMULANS.
It's not just me that is noticing this, right after the update zone chat for kdf was going nuts about this how everything is for federation. Did you know there still isnt a science ship for romulans UNLESS you get a ship with lobi. Almost laughable if you think you are showing fairness with the small items you have given kdf/roms. I could list all the items related what fed has vs kdf/roms do have, which the list is god awful big while the just a few items for kdf/roms.
Please treat your other "factions/races" like you do with federation, stop this favoritism.
What's crazy is that despite this legit grievance, players are still calling for more factions like Cardassian and Dominion. They just want to add more people on the "Pile of No Content". In fact, I think nearly all of them play Fed anyway, so it may just be that they want free Jem'Hadar and Cardassian ships without having to play Lockbox roulette just to say they have them and ditch the character the second they get the vessel.
More content for KDF/Rom! No new factions until the C-Store has an equal selection for everyone!
:mad:
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You see 'Fed Favoritism' yet those of us without the rose-tinted glasses just see that Craptic/PWE perceives most Blue players as cattle to be milked for all their worth. I.E. Avenger before Mogh so Feddies were suckered into buying a 'good ship' before KDF got a better version of the same ship. Or this whole T-6 LRSV coming out after milking T-5U LRSV tokens from people shenanigans. Note the 2-3-5 consoles, it's already staged for a Fleet 6.5 3-3-5 version to con people out of even more of their money.
Like most ST Fans I like Fed ships
Then I was told about all the Klingon perks I investigated and found them to be true
I made 4 Klingon toons to ( Exploit ) these perks and I still ( Exploit ) them today
Then came along the Romulans with the space DPS domination
Now a veteran of cryptic business pratices I made 3 fed an 3 kdf Rommies to ( Exploit ) these unfair advantages over my Fed toons
KDF Romulans have the silver spoon plated in gold..............
They got so many advantages over my Feds its shameful really..............No I refuse to post them on the Forums these ( Exploits ) might be nerfed
I will say this
If your a new player or a dissatisfied player concearning dilithium and dps and wealth make a KDF romulan and join a good fleet and you will get the maxium from the game for the least effort and more room to play with builds without hurting your dps much
Feds get more ships and costumes
the least dilithium earned per day the least DPS the least wealth
If you just got to have a good science ship get a wells
Anything a player does for himself that's good in the game cryptic call's it a ( Exploit )
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Please, do go on about the PVP advantages. I really want to see what you have to say, esp. as someone that used to do PVP. Show us on the doll where the bad Bird of Prey touched you. This should be good.
Realize that the Roms are both found Fed or KDF aligned, so I don't need to hear your TRIBBLE about the Roms when you have tons and tons of Fed-Roms flying with you. The Roms are a wash advantage.
LOL, talk about "Rose Tinted Glasses" yourself. You think that comedy with putting out a new ship after you upgraded your old one is a Fed only thing? :eek: And you really think that's going to end with you guys? Because I promise you, it's going to happen elsewhere :rolleyes:
The farming advantage is not a faction advantage when you can shuffle that wealth to the rest of your characters on the account.
You see, we do know that there are the real KDF players, then there are the Fed Farmers.
Keep trying though.
As expected, refusal to see anything but your own perception of things. Such is why I long ago ceased to give a damn about this community, especially when KDF fanboys are involved. :rolleyes:
Keep pontificating. Craptic won't care. Neither will 90% of the player base. The status-qua will be maintained to this game's death.
Despite a completely obvious Fed bias in development!
And yet Fed stuff? They don't have a clue about Fed stuff. The Fed content here is a stranger wearing a familiar face, it isn't Starfleet. Certainly not the series we all know.
STO could have been the greatest Klingon game, Ever. I do not need to justify that statement, just look at STO, see how Klingon it can be in spite of anti-KDF actions, and imagine what it could be like if KDF were treated like Feds are. For one moment, imagine that.
The Empire would be proud of what STO could have been, but, instead we have the Terran Empire pretending to be Starfleet with two side add ons. And that is the most disappointing part.
We can live with the Fed favouring, it was sort of expectable.
We can live with having second best scraps, because we are the best and we take Fed scraps and find a way to make it work.
The sheer untapped and un-nurtured potential? That hurts. It really does.
Amongst the fan, you have a lot of people wanting to play Klingon/Rom. And then, for non star trek fan, either from people knowing star trek for having seen an episode or a movie, or just a guy who know star trek from name, Klingons and Rom are just like elves and dwarf in another game.
When I first played this game, I had just seen a few ST movie, not even a single series episode. I was still very interested to playing Romulan. The argument "we see only SF on screen" was pretty much non existent to me, because I was not a SF fan or whatever. Playing KDF was like playing dwarf in Rift. I don't know much of the lore, but dwarves are cool.
And I suppose a lot of people think that way. Klingons looks cool, I'll play one.
In a game where PvP has been dead for at least solid 2 years.
This is not favoured on the side of the Federation as I got 4 Klingon char. 5 Fed. 2 Roms.
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So you never really had any points? You couldn't list those PVP advantages you were going on about? Because I was ready to counter those points.
So who's refusing to see anything?
Oh my...
Welcome to Star Trek Online. Or should I say, "Good bye" to you?
Just like the guy I was "discussing" with earlier, what are these things that favor the KDF over the Feds in the ships? I really hope you got your stuff together, because the Feds have an entire arsenal of outstanding ships I'll use to refute your points. Handily.
And how can you say STO is not about the Starships when that's the only thing that people really give a damn about? Space Combat is easily more popular than Ground, and I'm not talking about a PVP vs PVE thing, either. Space has always been more popular in STO. And what do you need to fight in space? An EV Suit? No.
You need a Starship.
And past ST games weren't exactly quite balanced, either.
Heck if the old forum threads weren't archived you would see that including myself there might have been like 5 of us vocal in the forums about the KDF. Thanks to LoR though the KDF is growing as well as the Romulan Republic either it be a fed or kdf aligned they are still the romulan republic and a faction worthy of content just as much as any other faction.
Then you go look at someone calling the community a bunch of KDF fanboys lol. I am ever so proud that a minority us 18% are being referred to as the community lol. Plus anyone who knows star trek would know even though 90% of it was of the federation in mmorpgs they are pretty much 90% combat and 10% F key. So it would make more sense for the game to be more klingon or romulan than federation being that the federation as an organization is only really going on the offensive when the time is right and not something like oh there is a guy who is not of the federation... KILL HIM. Then again too there are a lot of players who don't know squat about Star Trek but guess what they love this game. So that is another aspect of this game is especially if you have players who are into Klingons or Romulans more than the federation and you tell them well the tv show/movies this is based on wasn't really about your faction so your screwed.
This does bring me to one of my ideas of making the game more cannon because it seems like the developers of this game they are trying to follow a cookie cutter of mmorpgs but they try to make it their own at the same time. The only problem in doing so is that there are missing elements that could be turned around into making the game appear/be more canon and favor each faction to what they are supposed to be. Like the federation making diplomatic, science, medical, exploration, etc puzzles mini games that may only involve a marginal amount of combat but mostly non combat would be intellectually challenging to that faction and make it what it should be.
So all they need to do is show favoritism to lets say everyone then everyone can be happy eh?
Klingons have got some great ship that can all take cannons as well as Roms.it is only Escorts that can take DHC or DC.
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What's crazy is that despite this legit grievance, players are still calling for more factions like Cardassian and Dominion. They just want to add more people on the "Pile of No Content". In fact, I think nearly all of them play Fed anyway, so it may just be that they want free Jem'Hadar and Cardassian ships without having to play Lockbox roulette just to say they have them and ditch the character the second they get the vessel.
More content for KDF/Rom! No new factions until the C-Store has an equal selection for everyone!
:mad:
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