I didn't know where else to ask in the forums, but I am trying to find where J.J. Abrams got his material for the reboot films. I know of "Star Trek: Countdown", which is a 4 issue comic book mini-series that acts as a prequel to the 2009 reboot film, but I wanted to know if there were any CANON stories from which he pulled information. Is there a book about Nero and the Hobus supernova? Or did he and the writers just make some stuff up to provide some background info? After checking out the synopsis for "Star Trek: Countdown" in Wikipedia, I thought there was a lot more to be told. Any information is appreciated. Thank you!
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Now if only they can get the size of the ship set in stone that makes sense...
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Where did Abrams get his source material from? Same place Micheal Bay does.
Where the sun don't shine.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Exactly. Mayby restart of serias was needed, but i realy cant imagine worse way how that j.j.a did it.
Beyond that he did a good job in story telling and getting people to revisit the franchise.
I dare you to watch Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness back to back and not cry at the radiation scene.
(Of course since it is an alternate timeline it is easier to handle since everything else is still valid.))
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Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Rest assured that you're not the only one who has such sentiments
Prior to the reboot, many of my friends didn't care for classic Prime Trek, but after watching the new films together, we'd end up having long discussions about Prime Trek episodes and stories. One has even vowed to finish a TNG-DS9-VOY marathon before the end of the year.
F* you JJ, F* you very much.
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
'Star Trek' was a compeltely new direction in order to reboot both the characters and the franchise.
"Into Darkness" was a twist on 'Wrath of Kahn'. Well, 'Space Seed' really, assuming that the Enterprise didn't actually find the Botany Bay after all those years...
The next one will be interesting to see if they go with something somewhat familiar or entirely new again. V'Ger should still be on its way as the events setting that into motion were unchanged... :rubs hands eagerly:
I will never forgive JJ, however NEVER for making Spock puss out and yell KAHN!!!
He should have writhed with quiet fury or even just muttered Kahn before going out to kick butt. Would have made the scene better and far more believable.
Countdown was written by the writer of the Star Trek reboot as a prequel. Intentionally.
The Forge - the abandoned romulan super-station with the borg sphere inside, was where the narada (a simple mining vessel) was refit with borg tech.
As it occurred previous to the reboot, we can have that tech here in STO.
And there was more.
As part of the lead-up to the movies release, easter eggs were hidden in the website. Among the 'tidbits' was that some romulan survived the destruction of the Narada, and ended up being thrown backwards in time - living in dying during the roman expansion on earth.
/nerdgasm
Poorly conceived, one dimensional villain and plot holes...which Star Trek movie are we talking about?
Search for Spock: Kruge was pretty one dimensional, evil for evil's sake. Plot holes...everything having to do with Spock resurrection.
Final Frontier: Nuff said.
Generations: Soran was pretty blah....and ask any Galaxy fan about the plot holes which had a BOP destroy the ENT D.
First Contact: Zeframe Cochrane's history doesn't match up with what we saw in the TOS episode Metamorpoisis...where he is identified as Zeframe Cochrane of Alpha Centari.
Insurrection...Nuff said
Nemesis...Shinzon was pretty one note. Plot holes galore...Shinzon mind ***** Troi for no real reason but to very badly set up a way for the crew to pierce the Scimitar's cloak.
We rake Abrams over the coals for things that we barely blink at in the other movies. How anyone can rank Final Frontier over anything is just beyond illogical.
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old kirk was cowboy style capitan, new kirk was showing off unlikable ******* whhich should never should be accepted to academy in firts place.
Corvette scene ? well it only showed that new kirk learned , if he is not very severly pusnihed by real prison - on equvalent of it - he can do anything stupid and it will be ok, since he is son of legend.
Srs with comparing of wok to id ? lol, in wok khan was misterious person until his true indetinty was revealed and he stayed in his line to the end. in id new khan,..well it was no surpise from negining who it is, only true name was unknown, and he constalsy swithcing from playing good guy to ba guy and vice versa. Until it become realy boring.
I think he pulled it out of his..............................
Don't quote me on that
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JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
yeah, lest run another good old movie of st, mayby it is time to come with comopletly new stories than taking out know stories and turning them to pile of poo.
While not perfectly executed, I do believe that the Abrams films were wonderfully executed. IMHO, those who cherry-pick the Abrams films (and their flaws), but ignore those same flaws in the "prime" films, are unfair. The point of the alternate universe was to throw things out-of-whack, to disperse our known characters to see if they would still come together as we know them. Indeed, Into Darkness was the flip side of Wrath of Khan... while TWOK was the long-gestating payoff of the Kirk-Spock relationship, STID was the galvanizing moment of the Kirk-Spock relationship.
People also bash the selection of Cumberbatch as Khan, but I also humbly point out... Khan was from the South Asia area (India, really), which if memory serves, was controlled by the British for decades. It makes a LOT more sense for Khan to sound British, than Latino. (And the idea that Montellbon was hired because he sounded "exotic" is dumb to me, as it reminds of a Chris Rock joke that people hire Puerto Ricans to play Native Americans in Thanksgiving parades.)
Not to say that I don't agree with everything in those films... that "KHAAAN!!" scream, for example... bad move. :P But I digress. :P
ddesjardins is right, however... Star Trek: Countdown, Star Trek: Nero, Star Trek: Countdown to Darkness, and Star Trek: Khan are all comic tie-ins to the JJ-verse movies, and they were all intentionally written in conjunction with the writing team of those movies.
Your opinion (which you are entitled to, of course).
I have friends who would never give Star Trek the time of day, but LOVE the JJ-verse films. In fact, two girls I know cry at both major death scenes of the JJ-movies (Kirk's dad, and the radiation room).
Longtime fans, IMHO, were never going to have that reaction.
New direction bah.. nonsense.. They have plenty of cannon content to have direction already.. Problem was They didn't listen to the fans. They wanted flashy bling bling for extra quick $$$ fix.
Prelude to Anaxar looks promising.. I'll support that. I've played fasa tabletop startrek game play back in the day. 4 year war with Klingon and the federation looks good.
That's new content using original content.
Axanar does look phenomenal.
That said, those ideas are not canonical. Garth of Izar certainly is, but no Star Trek series or movie ever established a hardened war with the Klingons in the 23rd century... in fact, it was really more like a cold war.
I also question the development of the Constituion-class at Axanar, since the dedication plaque on the 1701 says "San Fransisco Fleet Yards" or whatever.
I can guess there will be no perfect continuation of ST universe since Gene has moved on.. But at least this film is closer to the lore.. minus a few errors... +/-5% XD
I think it may help to consider all of this from a production standpoint.
Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman did most of the writing for the last two movies and Orci is directing the next one.
They are fans and the J.J. films are full of obscure Star Trek references, down to Tyler Perry playing an admiral named after a visual effects artist from DS9.
Abrams is not a huge Star Trek fan. He is a fan of flashy visuals and broad character arcs and approaches the films in terms of the visuals.
In film, the writer often (usually?) works for the guy who sets the visuals and this is often a guy whose interest in story boils down to visual storytelling and visual composition.
No, we got the blown up Romulus. JJTrek still has theirs.
At least until the Iconians blow it up later, though.
Yeah, Iconians suck no matter what universe you live in.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Yes and no. While it's after Nero's gone and all, since it's another universe, Spock, Nero and all are not involved at all. As far as our universe is concerned, Nero and Spock are gone, presumed dead.
As for unification, technically speaking, D'Tan is not trying to push for unification right now, at least not on a state level. Personal level being another thing. The Romulan Republic is allied to the federation, and currently, that's it.
1, they are decent stories that are fun to watch
2, as an alternate timeline they don't interfere with the rest of Trek
For me its similar to watching the mirror universe episodes, they are fun and they mean nothing to the prime Trek universe, more or less
The only reason I cried during the Into Darkness radiation scene was because of how soul-crushingly hard it took a dump on the original.
Your opinion as to whether or not it was a good movie is certainly subjective, but Into Darkness was objectively a garbage re-imagining of WoK.
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and i bet they cried at ending of titanic and twilight series too.
and i never undesrtanded why spock tried to revive kirk ? after all from his view it was ******* jecrk who did onlyest think right when he died (and saved ship).