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deffjurkedeffjurke Member Posts: 43 Arc User
I didn't know where else to ask in the forums, but I am trying to find where J.J. Abrams got his material for the reboot films. I know of "Star Trek: Countdown", which is a 4 issue comic book mini-series that acts as a prequel to the 2009 reboot film, but I wanted to know if there were any CANON stories from which he pulled information. Is there a book about Nero and the Hobus supernova? Or did he and the writers just make some stuff up to provide some background info? After checking out the synopsis for "Star Trek: Countdown" in Wikipedia, I thought there was a lot more to be told. Any information is appreciated. Thank you! :D:cool:
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,696 Community Moderator
    edited November 2014
    Nope. Just like there was no stories that were pulled from for Insurrection. The reboot is a clean slate, which is probably somehting that was badly needed. Luckilly it was done in a way that doesn't harm everything we know. Countdown was meant as the leadup explaining what lead to Nero's time travel trip. The only real canon material he pulled from was characters to create the AR Enterprise crew and uniforms.

    Now if only they can get the size of the ship set in stone that makes sense...
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    deffjurke wrote: »
    I didn't know where else to ask in the forums, but I am trying to find where J.J. Abrams got his material for the reboot films. I know of "Star Trek: Countdown", which is a 4 issue comic book mini-series that acts as a prequel to the 2009 reboot film, but I wanted to know if there were any CANON stories from which he pulled information. Is there a book about Nero and the Hobus supernova? Or did he and the writers just make some stuff up to provide some background info? After checking out the synopsis for "Star Trek: Countdown" in Wikipedia, I thought there was a lot more to be told. Any information is appreciated. Thank you! :D:cool:

    Where did Abrams get his source material from? Same place Micheal Bay does.

    Where the sun don't shine.

    :D
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  • czertik123czertik123 Member Posts: 1,122 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Where did Abrams get his source material from? Same place Micheal Bay does.

    Where the sun don't shine.

    :D

    Exactly. Mayby restart of serias was needed, but i realy cant imagine worse way how that j.j.a did it.
  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I am probably going to come out as a minority on this. But. The only issue I have with the reboot is cutting the scene prior to Kirk stealing the Corvette. It showed why he really became as he did and made him more sympathetic and showed how he would grow to be the cowboy captain.

    Beyond that he did a good job in story telling and getting people to revisit the franchise.
    I dare you to watch Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness back to back and not cry at the radiation scene.


    (Of course since it is an alternate timeline it is easier to handle since everything else is still valid.))

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  • sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    feiqa wrote: »
    I am probably going to come out as a minority on this. But. The only issue I have with the reboot is cutting the scene prior to Kirk stealing the Corvette. It showed why he really became as he did and made him more sympathetic and showed how he would grow to be the cowboy captain.

    Beyond that he did a good job in story telling and getting people to revisit the franchise.
    I dare you to watch Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness back to back and not cry at the radiation scene.


    (Of course since it is an alternate timeline it is easier to handle since everything else is still valid.))

    Rest assured that you're not the only one who has such sentiments :)

    Prior to the reboot, many of my friends didn't care for classic Prime Trek, but after watching the new films together, we'd end up having long discussions about Prime Trek episodes and stories. One has even vowed to finish a TNG-DS9-VOY marathon before the end of the year.
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  • tilarium1979tilarium1979 Member Posts: 567 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Not every crappy thing JJ did was in the AR.... he still blew up Romulus for poops and giggles and single handedly destroyed one of the great empires and nemesis' (no pun intended) in the ST universe.

    F* you JJ, F* you very much.
  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Not every crappy thing JJ did was in the AR.... he still blew up Romulus for poops and giggles and single handedly destroyed one of the great empires and nemesis' (no pun intended) in the ST universe.

    F* you JJ, F* you very much.

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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Yeah JJ how dare you blow up Romulus , it's not like the Romulans were originally planed to wipe out the by the Borg in TNG, and the only thing that saved them was a writers strike....Oh wait :D
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Well considering the state of the empire after the events of Nemesis...maybe it was a mercy to kill them off.
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  • prierinprierin Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Well that really depends on your point of view.

    'Star Trek' was a compeltely new direction in order to reboot both the characters and the franchise.

    "Into Darkness" was a twist on 'Wrath of Kahn'. Well, 'Space Seed' really, assuming that the Enterprise didn't actually find the Botany Bay after all those years...

    The next one will be interesting to see if they go with something somewhat familiar or entirely new again. V'Ger should still be on its way as the events setting that into motion were unchanged... :rubs hands eagerly:

    I will never forgive JJ, however… NEVER – for making Spock puss out and yell KAHN!!!

    He should have writhed with quiet fury or even just muttered ‘Kahn’ before going out to kick butt. Would have made the scene better and far more believable.
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  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited November 2014
    Whoah.

    Countdown was written by the writer of the Star Trek reboot as a prequel. Intentionally.

    The Forge - the abandoned romulan super-station with the borg sphere inside, was where the narada (a simple mining vessel) was refit with borg tech.

    As it occurred previous to the reboot, we can have that tech here in STO.

    And there was more.

    As part of the lead-up to the movies release, easter eggs were hidden in the website. Among the 'tidbits' was that some romulan survived the destruction of the Narada, and ended up being thrown backwards in time - living in dying during the roman expansion on earth.

    /nerdgasm
  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    If by good you mean constructing a story with a poorly conceived, one dimensional villain and more plot holes than a block of swiss cheese, then yes, it is "good".

    Poorly conceived, one dimensional villain and plot holes...which Star Trek movie are we talking about?
    Search for Spock: Kruge was pretty one dimensional, evil for evil's sake. Plot holes...everything having to do with Spock resurrection.

    Final Frontier: Nuff said.

    Generations: Soran was pretty blah....and ask any Galaxy fan about the plot holes which had a BOP destroy the ENT D.

    First Contact: Zeframe Cochrane's history doesn't match up with what we saw in the TOS episode Metamorpoisis...where he is identified as Zeframe Cochrane of Alpha Centari.

    Insurrection...Nuff said

    Nemesis...Shinzon was pretty one note. Plot holes galore...Shinzon mind ***** Troi for no real reason but to very badly set up a way for the crew to pierce the Scimitar's cloak.

    We rake Abrams over the coals for things that we barely blink at in the other movies. How anyone can rank Final Frontier over anything is just beyond illogical.
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  • deffjurkedeffjurke Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    So what I am gathering is that Cryptic has used Abrams' story for the Legacy of Romulus content. The Hobus supernova and the Borg tech are all from Abrams and his fellow writers? With all that happening on "our side of reality", would that be considered canon? And why didn't Abrams mention Borg tech, Data as captain of the Enterprise-E, and Picard as an Ambassador in the reboot? I think all that stuff would have made a fantastic film. :o
  • czertik123czertik123 Member Posts: 1,122 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    feiqa wrote: »
    I am probably going to come out as a minority on this. But. The only issue I have with the reboot is cutting the scene prior to Kirk stealing the Corvette. It showed why he really became as he did and made him more sympathetic and showed how he would grow to be the cowboy captain.

    Beyond that he did a good job in story telling and getting people to revisit the franchise.
    I dare you to watch Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness back to back and not cry at the radiation scene.


    (Of course since it is an alternate timeline it is easier to handle since everything else is still valid.))

    old kirk was cowboy style capitan, new kirk was showing off unlikable ******* whhich should never should be accepted to academy in firts place.
    Corvette scene ? well it only showed that new kirk learned , if he is not very severly pusnihed by real prison - on equvalent of it - he can do anything stupid and it will be ok, since he is son of legend.
    Srs with comparing of wok to id ? lol, in wok khan was misterious person until his true indetinty was revealed and he stayed in his line to the end. in id new khan,..well it was no surpise from negining who it is, only true name was unknown, and he constalsy swithcing from playing good guy to ba guy and vice versa. Until it become realy boring.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited November 2014
    deffjurke wrote: »
    I didn't know where else to ask in the forums, but I am trying to find where J.J. Abrams got his material for the reboot films. I know of "Star Trek: Countdown", which is a 4 issue comic book mini-series that acts as a prequel to the 2009 reboot film, but I wanted to know if there were any CANON stories from which he pulled information. Is there a book about Nero and the Hobus supernova? Or did he and the writers just make some stuff up to provide some background info? After checking out the synopsis for "Star Trek: Countdown" in Wikipedia, I thought there was a lot more to be told. Any information is appreciated. Thank you! :D:cool:


    I think he pulled it out of his..............................

    Don't quote me on that :)
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  • czertik123czertik123 Member Posts: 1,122 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    prierin wrote: »
    Well that really depends on your point of view.

    'Star Trek' was a compeltely new direction in order to reboot both the characters and the franchise.

    "Into Darkness" was a twist on 'Wrath of Kahn'. Well, 'Space Seed' really, assuming that the Enterprise didn't actually find the Botany Bay after all those years...

    The next one will be interesting to see if they go with something somewhat familiar or entirely new again. V'Ger should still be on its way as the events setting that into motion were unchanged... :rubs hands eagerly:

    I will never forgive JJ, however… NEVER – for making Spock puss out and yell KAHN!!!

    He should have writhed with quiet fury or even just muttered ‘Kahn’ before going out to kick butt. Would have made the scene better and far more believable.

    yeah, lest run another good old movie of st, mayby it is time to come with comopletly new stories than taking out know stories and turning them to pile of poo.
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited November 2014
    Yeah, I've written my own defense of the JJ-verse on here. Some agree with me, others do not.

    While not perfectly executed, I do believe that the Abrams films were wonderfully executed. IMHO, those who cherry-pick the Abrams films (and their flaws), but ignore those same flaws in the "prime" films, are unfair. The point of the alternate universe was to throw things out-of-whack, to disperse our known characters to see if they would still come together as we know them. Indeed, Into Darkness was the flip side of Wrath of Khan... while TWOK was the long-gestating payoff of the Kirk-Spock relationship, STID was the galvanizing moment of the Kirk-Spock relationship.

    People also bash the selection of Cumberbatch as Khan, but I also humbly point out... Khan was from the South Asia area (India, really), which if memory serves, was controlled by the British for decades. It makes a LOT more sense for Khan to sound British, than Latino. (And the idea that Montellbon was hired because he sounded "exotic" is dumb to me, as it reminds of a Chris Rock joke that people hire Puerto Ricans to play Native Americans in Thanksgiving parades.)

    Not to say that I don't agree with everything in those films... that "KHAAAN!!" scream, for example... bad move. :P But I digress. :P

    ddesjardins is right, however... Star Trek: Countdown, Star Trek: Nero, Star Trek: Countdown to Darkness, and Star Trek: Khan are all comic tie-ins to the JJ-verse movies, and they were all intentionally written in conjunction with the writing team of those movies.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited November 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    The original was a tearjerker. The one from Into Darkness was groan/eyeroll/yawn worthy.

    Your opinion (which you are entitled to, of course). :)

    I have friends who would never give Star Trek the time of day, but LOVE the JJ-verse films. In fact, two girls I know cry at both major death scenes of the JJ-movies (Kirk's dad, and the radiation room).

    Longtime fans, IMHO, were never going to have that reaction.
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  • wolfehunterswolfehunters Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I never liked nor supported JJ a's version of startrek.. Maybe I'm just oldschool trekker.. but I can't stand his ***** vision of startrek.. Sadly Hollywood will do whatever they want to make money...

    New direction bah.. nonsense.. They have plenty of cannon content to have direction already.. Problem was They didn't listen to the fans. They wanted flashy bling bling for extra quick $$$ fix.

    Prelude to Anaxar looks promising.. I'll support that. I've played fasa tabletop startrek game play back in the day. 4 year war with Klingon and the federation looks good.

    That's new content using original content.
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited November 2014
    Prelude to Anaxar looks promising.. I'll support that. I've played fasa tabletop startrek game play back in the day. 4 year war with Klingon and the federation looks good.

    That's new content using original content.

    Axanar does look phenomenal. :)

    That said, those ideas are not canonical. Garth of Izar certainly is, but no Star Trek series or movie ever established a hardened war with the Klingons in the 23rd century... in fact, it was really more like a cold war.

    I also question the development of the Constituion-class at Axanar, since the dedication plaque on the 1701 says "San Fransisco Fleet Yards" or whatever.
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  • wolfehunterswolfehunters Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Axanar does look phenomenal. :)

    That said, those ideas are not canonical. Garth of Izar certainly is, but no Star Trek series or movie ever established a hardened war with the Klingons in the 23rd century... in fact, it was really more like a cold war.

    I also question the development of the Constituion-class at Axanar, since the dedication plaque on the 1701 says "San Fransisco Fleet Yards" or whatever.
    True.. I saw that in the video. Don't know why they did that. still early in the development maybe someone will point it out and they can fix it later...

    I can guess there will be no perfect continuation of ST universe since Gene has moved on.. But at least this film is closer to the lore.. minus a few errors... +/-5% XD
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    deffjurke wrote: »
    So what I am gathering is that Cryptic has used Abrams' story for the Legacy of Romulus content. The Hobus supernova and the Borg tech are all from Abrams and his fellow writers? With all that happening on "our side of reality", would that be considered canon? And why didn't Abrams mention Borg tech, Data as captain of the Enterprise-E, and Picard as an Ambassador in the reboot? I think all that stuff would have made a fantastic film. :o

    I think it may help to consider all of this from a production standpoint.

    Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman did most of the writing for the last two movies and Orci is directing the next one.

    They are fans and the J.J. films are full of obscure Star Trek references, down to Tyler Perry playing an admiral named after a visual effects artist from DS9.

    Abrams is not a huge Star Trek fan. He is a fan of flashy visuals and broad character arcs and approaches the films in terms of the visuals.

    In film, the writer often (usually?) works for the guy who sets the visuals and this is often a guy whose interest in story boils down to visual storytelling and visual composition.
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Not every crappy thing JJ did was in the AR.... he still blew up Romulus for poops and giggles and single handedly destroyed one of the great empires and nemesis' (no pun intended) in the ST universe.

    F* you JJ, F* you very much.

    No, we got the blown up Romulus. JJTrek still has theirs.

    At least until the Iconians blow it up later, though.

    Yeah, Iconians suck no matter what universe you live in.
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  • deffjurkedeffjurke Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    So is Legacy or Romulus a continuation of both Abrams' Nero story and Spock's Unification story from TNG?
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Your opinion (which you are entitled to, of course). :)

    I have friends who would never give Star Trek the time of day, but LOVE the JJ-verse films. In fact, two girls I know cry at both major death scenes of the JJ-movies (Kirk's dad, and the radiation room).

    Longtime fans, IMHO, were never going to have that reaction.
    To be honest, the only time I was crying was when Kirk destroy Khan fighter.... with a fire hose. That was from laughing, but still, I suppose that count.
    deffjurke wrote: »
    So is Legacy or Romulus a continuation of both Abrams' Nero story and Spock's Unification story from TNG?
    Yes and no. While it's after Nero's gone and all, since it's another universe, Spock, Nero and all are not involved at all. As far as our universe is concerned, Nero and Spock are gone, presumed dead.
    As for unification, technically speaking, D'Tan is not trying to push for unification right now, at least not on a state level. Personal level being another thing. The Romulan Republic is allied to the federation, and currently, that's it.
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  • jagdhippiesjagdhippies Member Posts: 676 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I rather like JJ Trek for 2 reasons
    1, they are decent stories that are fun to watch
    2, as an alternate timeline they don't interfere with the rest of Trek

    For me its similar to watching the mirror universe episodes, they are fun and they mean nothing to the prime Trek universe, more or less
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    feiqa wrote: »
    I dare you to watch Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness back to back and not cry at the radiation scene.

    The only reason I cried during the Into Darkness radiation scene was because of how soul-crushingly hard it took a dump on the original.

    Your opinion as to whether or not it was a good movie is certainly subjective, but Into Darkness was objectively a garbage re-imagining of WoK.
  • czertik123czertik123 Member Posts: 1,122 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Your opinion (which you are entitled to, of course). :)

    I have friends who would never give Star Trek the time of day, but LOVE the JJ-verse films. In fact, two girls I know cry at both major death scenes of the JJ-movies (Kirk's dad, and the radiation room).

    Longtime fans, IMHO, were never going to have that reaction.

    and i bet they cried at ending of titanic and twilight series too.
    and i never undesrtanded why spock tried to revive kirk ? after all from his view it was ******* jecrk who did onlyest think right when he died (and saved ship).
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